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Nigel Farage: I said I want my country back. What I am saying today is ‘I want my life back’ and it begins right now https://t.co/p4yQiBNONP

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  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Wonder if he'll retire in Spain
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    Good riddance.
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    The man who broke Britain.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Huzzah.. nasty piece of work.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    How long will he stay out of the limelight? I give it a few months, tops.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    What a legend, the man who saved Britain from the protectionist superstate it never voted to be a part of.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Will this example finally get the message through to Falconer?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Will Farage keep taking the EU shilling as an MEP?
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,844
    As much as I can't stand the guy, he's a counter-example to the "all political careers end in failure" trope. He won his fight, he won't be the one to take the blame if it all goes to hell (that'll be brexit tories), he's the kind of person who will make a comfortable enough living through speeches, columns, and talking head segments. His reputation could only go downhill from here so makes sense to get out now.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited July 2016
    Pauly said:

    What a legend, the man who saved Britain from the protectionist superstate it never voted to be a part of.

    Yes Farage was one of the people to save us from the EU folly. I am struck by the awful pessimistic stance of Philip Hammond and believe that he should not be anywhere near the negotiations. Alas, he probably will be as May seems an odds on favourite.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    :o
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited July 2016
    Will this be his leaving song

    https://youtu.be/DCtDAAPO-j4
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Goodbye. Never agreed with him, liked him or respected him. However I suppose he has dedicated years to a cause he has believed in and certainly got attention for it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,888
    No more Mr Nice Guy..

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/749897343189733376
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,577
    Thrak said:

    The man who broke Britain.

    No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.

    He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,665
    Twenty-fifth :D
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    A nation mourns. Arise Lord Farage your heroic work is done. The £10 note and state funeral awaits.

    Boadicea, Henry V, Elizabeth I, Nelson, Wellington, Churchill, Farage.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Theuniondivvie said:

    No more Mr Nice Guy..

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/749897343189733376

    I do hope he was being ironic.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Thrak said:

    The man who broke Britain.

    No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.
    He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
    I fully agree.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,619
    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/749892870606381056
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Nigel - never fails to surprise. I feel sure we haven' t heard the last of him.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,053
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    peter_from_putney said:

    Nigel - never fails to surprise. I feel sure we haven' t heard the last of him.

    Yep, he'll be back.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    edited July 2016
    So - all the main actors in the Brexit drama on the "leave" side are now either going or gone.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,861
    edited July 2016
    Mr. Pulpstar, since the General Election every leader but Sturgeon (who only arrived the year before) has gone, or is going (unsure of the Greens).

    Edited extra bit: sorry, forgot Leanne Wood. Ahem.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,914
    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Mark Wallace
    Incidentally, his dream job would be presenting military history documentaries - that's his passion, and Richard Holmes was a close friend.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    Meanwhile in the Labour mess, D Miliband is only just behind Owen Smith on BF.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Hardman:

    Nigel Farage’s departure comes at the best possible time for Ukip. The party could be hoovering up votes from Labour’s heartlands which voted for Out in surprisingly large numbers in the referendum. But since that result, figures in Ukip had been feeling dismayed that their party seemed angry and disorganised, unable to reach out to those Labour voters. Farage spent most of the referendum campaign behaving badly, almost trying to sabotage his own side, before conceding that Remain had won just hours before it became clear that Leave had won.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/nigel-farages-depature-means-ukip-can-seize-post-referendum-opportunity/
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Why wouldn't he? They don't seem to disagree about much.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    a nation mourns…
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    If you take the political allegiance out of it, Farage has been an extraordinary figure in British politics.

    He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.

    I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited July 2016
    Well, the big boys are busy trying to change leaders, so I guess UKIP wants to join in the fun.

    LibDems next?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    stjohn said:

    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?

    I saw him speak during the campaign. He said he had a family and didn't want to be leader as he'd never see them.

    Was that a fib? We'll see in next few days.
  • Robert_EveRobert_Eve Posts: 31
    As an ex-Tory who now votes UKIP, I hope Nigel gets a knighthood for his great service to his country.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Why wouldn't he? They don't seem to disagree about much.
    Well I'm hopeful Andrea 'Barings Loan' Leadsome won't be our Leader.
  • Ally_BAlly_B Posts: 185
    peter_from_putney said:

    Nigel - never fails to surprise. I feel sure we haven' t heard the last of him.

    Just like the Terminator, he'll be back. Give it six months and no sign of the new PM invoking Article 50 and he'll be everywhere like a bad rash.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Pulpstar, since the General Election every leader but Sturgeon (who only arrived the year before) has gone, or is going (unsure of the Greens).

    Edited extra bit: sorry, forgot Leanne Wood. Ahem.

    Greens - yes their leader is going. Election taking place this summer. Caroline Lucas is one of the candidates (in a job share).
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fenster said:

    If you take the political allegiance out of it, Farage has been an extraordinary figure in British politics.

    He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.

    I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.

    Well said.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Fenster said:

    If you take the political allegiance out of it, Farage has been an extraordinary figure in British politics.

    He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.

    I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.

    I think that's fair. While I've found some of his tactics loathsome it would be churlish to underestimate his impact.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,914
    I've reversed out of my bet on Owen Smith to be next Labour leader now that Eagle has confirmed her intention to stand. Big disappointment for Labour voters in my view.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,914
    rottenborough said:

    stjohn said:

    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?

    I saw him speak during the campaign. He said he had a family and didn't want to be leader as he'd never see them.

    Was that a fib? We'll see in next few days.
    Ta.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...

    Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Farage and Johnson both do a Colombey.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Yes. If they keep their promises.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    Sandpit said:

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/749892870606381056

    He should really have waited before posting that, to see whether Farage is still not leader this afternoon.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,582
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Why wouldn't he? They don't seem to disagree about much.
    Well I'm hopeful Andrea 'Barings Loan' Leadsome won't be our Leader.
    Did you see my anecdata from the last thread. Most people seem to be lining up behind May, there also doesn't seem to be a big leave/remain divide like most think.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Tim Farron, elder statesman. And he hasn't yet reached his year anniversary in the leadership role.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Who's the lady on Sky now who sounds like she smokes 400 Woodbines a day?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,619
    edited July 2016
    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.

    The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    So Farage resigns on Independence Day.

    Which reminds me, Happy treason day you ungrateful colonials.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Been a lot of rumours swirling around for a while that Farage has not been well so this break is well deserved. Though many dont share his politics I think he's been inspirational in the way he spent 20 years fighting the establishment (at times single handedly) and managed to achieve his aims). I think a TV presenting career and the odd question time appearance might suffice for his future.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Farage and Johnson both do a Colombey.

    LOL. Excellent. Although I doubt Farage will be able to last the three years that De Gaulle did.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    stjohn said:

    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?

    Don't think so - this is probably Woolfe v Nuttall.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Robert_Eve said:

    As an ex-Tory who now votes UKIP, I hope Nigel gets a knighthood for his great service to his country.

    Knighthood? Surely you jest, it's got to be a peerage.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,130
    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.

    The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
    I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,490
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Why wouldn't he? They don't seem to disagree about much.
    Well I'm hopeful Andrea 'Barings Loan' Leadsome won't be our Leader.
    Did you see my anecdata from the last thread. Most people seem to be lining up behind May, there also doesn't seem to be a big leave/remain divide like most think.
    Nope.

    But it would fit my experience, the other thing is how many party members are saying we shouldn't assume Corbyn will still be there in 2020, so that helps May.
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Thrak said:

    The man who broke Britain.

    No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.

    He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.

    Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,053
    SouthamObserver said:

    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...

    Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.

    And if immigration doesn't fall? I actually think it doesn't matter that much. Providing a second option in safe labour seats is probably enough to win a few of them...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.

    The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
    Thx - Yes, that's what I meant. She's through to Thursday if this number vote for her. Fox will be out on Tuesday and then possibly one other will drop out voluntarily.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,665
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.

    The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
    I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.

    It was mentioned on here that that happened to Davis in '05.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Nigel is certainly not one to sit idly on his bottom and I'd be very surprised if he hadn't already planned the next stage of his working life.
    It will be interesting to see whether or not he also retires as an MEP or will he continue to harangue the likes of Juncker? Hope so.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage resigns on Independence Day.

    Which reminds me, Happy treason day you ungrateful colonials.

    'Thanks Giving Day' surely?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    https://twitter.com/othertwice/status/749896149738328064
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.

    The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
    I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.

    She might get fewer, if only because they have been ordered to play the game and make sure Crabb is the 2nd candidate in the final run-off. The Tory MPs are supposed to be the most sophisticated electorate in the world.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,325
    Farage seen celebrating with a nice pint of Cameron's Bitter.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited July 2016
    Thrak said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Thrak said:

    The man who broke Britain.

    No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.

    He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.

    Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
    No he won't.

    It will be the electorates of the UK and Scotland which may do that.

    Only they have the power.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,914
    Tissue_Price said:

    stjohn said:

    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?

    Don't think so - this is probably Woolfe v Nuttall.
    TP. Are you on either/both?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Paristonda said:

    As much as I can't stand the guy, he's a counter-example to the "all political careers end in failure" trope. He won his fight, he won't be the one to take the blame if it all goes to hell (that'll be brexit tories), he's the kind of person who will make a comfortable enough living through speeches, columns, and talking head segments. His reputation could only go downhill from here so makes sense to get out now.

    I don't think this was his choice.

    He gave an interview to LBC the other day that led to speculation that Mr Carswell was going to be kicked out of UKIP on Monday. Today. It looks like he lost a power struggle.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    stjohn said:

    TP. Are you on either/both?

    Did you get the 7/1 on Wolfe? Now 5/2
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Unless he unresigns again
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,083
    david_herdson said:

    Sandpit said:

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/749892870606381056

    He should really have waited before posting that, to see whether Farage is still not leader this afternoon.
    That's why it's time stamped, he's probably got a frowning emoji lined up and ready to go.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,582
    SouthamObserver said:

    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...

    Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.

    Well Farage specifically said that their future lies in taking votes off Labour. Surely that means he hopes someone like Nuttall will win and the likes of Carsewell will be ejected and the likes od Richard Tyndall will leave of their own volition allowing them to become a socially conservative, economically statist party that can appeal to the 37% of Labour voters who voted Leave as well as most of their own voters and some Tories who aren't on board for the modernisation plan started by Dave and George and probably TBC by Theresa.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    stjohn said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    stjohn said:

    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?

    Don't think so - this is probably Woolfe v Nuttall.
    TP. Are you on either/both?
    A massive £328 bet so far on UKIP leader on BF.

    There is so much political betting to be had at the moment, it's getting crazy.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Liz Truss and Baroness Warsi endorse May - BBC
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    stjohn said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    stjohn said:

    Carswell 11/4 with Betfair Sportsbook. Is he value?

    Don't think so - this is probably Woolfe v Nuttall.
    TP. Are you on either/both?
    Just been allowed all of £15 at 5/1 Woolfe at Betfair Sportsbook. A shop trip may beckon.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited July 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage resigns on Independence Day.

    Which reminds me, Happy treason day you ungrateful colonials.

    Yes, always remember, we put you FIRST in the queue.All that land, all that oil, Elvis, etc, etc, etc.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    Late to the party, but I'm confused by Farage saying the job was done,in essence - as many leavers have said, they are worried Brexit (or their version of it anyway) may not happen, and they need to fight for it, so the job isn't done. Given his comments about kicking out Carswell (implied anyway), the power struggle idea has some credence.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Scott_P said:

    stjohn said:

    TP. Are you on either/both?

    Did you get the 7/1 on Wolfe? Now 5/2
    Paddy Power would rather I did not bet with them.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    eek said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?

    Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.

    Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
    Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...

    Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.

    And if immigration doesn't fall? I actually think it doesn't matter that much. Providing a second option in safe labour seats is probably enough to win a few of them...

    A few perhaps. But FPTP is a killer. The SNP tacked left to hoover up disaffected Labour voters. Immigration is the one UKIP calling card, and it's a strong one, but elections are not binary. UKIP is going to need to be strong and credible on issues like the NHS, public spending and housing, and never doing deals with the Tories. I am not saying there's not an opportunity, but I just wonder whether UKIP's leadership and members are ready, or able, to do what it takes.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,130
    rottenborough said:

    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.

    Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.

    The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
    I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.

    She might get fewer, if only because they have been ordered to play the game and make sure Crabb is the 2nd candidate in the final run-off. The Tory MPs are supposed to be the most sophisticated electorate in the world.
    If that sort of thing is going on, is it not foolish to have allowed MPs to have declared their support for her? I appreciate she does not have complete control over that, but surely she wouldn't want it to be too obvious that she's been lending MPs to another candidate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    CarlottaVance said:

    Thrak said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Thrak said:

    The man who broke Britain.

    No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.

    He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.

    Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
    No he won't.

    It will be the electorates of the UK and Scotland which may do that.

    Only they have the power.
    Yes. Sad that it is so, but when it happens it's because there's no longer enough affection for the UK Union - people exploit the gap that leaves, but it has been there and growing.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Anyhow, amongst all the betting, does anyone know the rules for the UKIP leadership election?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,315
    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/othertwice/status/749896149738328064

    More media a good thing I guess. Not sure it'll be the next The National

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tissue_Price said:

    Paddy Power would rather I did not bet with them.

    :)
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Suzanne Who ??? It's not gong to be the same is it?
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Farage has polluted UK politics and poisoned political discourse.He still refuses to condemn increased racial incidents post Brexit.That will be the first question for the new ukip leader.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,283
    So Farage has gone? Send no flowers. Like Enoch before him, he'll be remembered as a politician who tried to drag bigotry into the mainstream, by feigning compassion for the uneducated and the resentful. Ironically, it was his behaviour during the campaign for the very referendum he'd dedicated his life to secure that left his reputation in tatters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,573
    At least one left supporter is awake:

    Owen Jones @OwenJones84
    Not celebrating Nigel Farage's resignation. UKIP could become a greater threat in northern Labour seats under a new leader.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    Is Eagle running meant to be some sort of threat to Corbyn ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,430
    david_herdson said:

    Sandpit said:

    https://twitter.com/DouglasCarswell/status/749892870606381056

    He should really have waited before posting that, to see whether Farage is still not leader this afternoon.
    Gosh what a prick.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,577
    Stark_Dawning said:

    So Farage has gone? Send no flowers. Like Enoch before him, he'll be remembered as a politician who tried to drag bigotry into the mainstream, by feigning compassion for the uneducated and the resentful. Ironically, it was his behaviour during the campaign for the very referendum he'd dedicated his life to secure that left his reputation in tatters.

    And there speaks the bilious voice of defeat. I am so glad you lost.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    I wish farage a happy retirement. Altho i'd prefer it if he set up a microbrewery and started with a fine golden EPA session beer.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    YouGov'd re Farage and Tory leadership - asked if I was a member.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    kle4 said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/othertwice/status/749896149738328064

    More media a good thing I guess. Not sure it'll be the next The National

    I can't say that I'll be rushing to subscribe, and I'm probably part of their target demographic.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,430
    Good timing from Nigel. Would have been the death of him to continue.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Will UKIP rebrand as UKP now?

    And when Scotland goes independent just P.
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