As much as I can't stand the guy, he's a counter-example to the "all political careers end in failure" trope. He won his fight, he won't be the one to take the blame if it all goes to hell (that'll be brexit tories), he's the kind of person who will make a comfortable enough living through speeches, columns, and talking head segments. His reputation could only go downhill from here so makes sense to get out now.
What a legend, the man who saved Britain from the protectionist superstate it never voted to be a part of.
Yes Farage was one of the people to save us from the EU folly. I am struck by the awful pessimistic stance of Philip Hammond and believe that he should not be anywhere near the negotiations. Alas, he probably will be as May seems an odds on favourite.
Goodbye. Never agreed with him, liked him or respected him. However I suppose he has dedicated years to a cause he has believed in and certainly got attention for it.
No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.
He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU. He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
Mark Wallace Incidentally, his dream job would be presenting military history documentaries - that's his passion, and Richard Holmes was a close friend.
Nigel Farage’s departure comes at the best possible time for Ukip. The party could be hoovering up votes from Labour’s heartlands which voted for Out in surprisingly large numbers in the referendum. But since that result, figures in Ukip had been feeling dismayed that their party seemed angry and disorganised, unable to reach out to those Labour voters. Farage spent most of the referendum campaign behaving badly, almost trying to sabotage his own side, before conceding that Remain had won just hours before it became clear that Leave had won.
If you take the political allegiance out of it, Farage has been an extraordinary figure in British politics.
He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.
I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.
If you take the political allegiance out of it, Farage has been an extraordinary figure in British politics.
He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.
I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.
If you take the political allegiance out of it, Farage has been an extraordinary figure in British politics.
He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.
I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.
I think that's fair. While I've found some of his tactics loathsome it would be churlish to underestimate his impact.
I've reversed out of my bet on Owen Smith to be next Labour leader now that Eagle has confirmed her intention to stand. Big disappointment for Labour voters in my view.
To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.
Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...
Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.
To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.
Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
Why wouldn't he? They don't seem to disagree about much.
Well I'm hopeful Andrea 'Barings Loan' Leadsome won't be our Leader.
Did you see my anecdata from the last thread. Most people seem to be lining up behind May, there also doesn't seem to be a big leave/remain divide like most think.
May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
Been a lot of rumours swirling around for a while that Farage has not been well so this break is well deserved. Though many dont share his politics I think he's been inspirational in the way he spent 20 years fighting the establishment (at times single handedly) and managed to achieve his aims). I think a TV presenting career and the odd question time appearance might suffice for his future.
May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.
To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.
Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
Why wouldn't he? They don't seem to disagree about much.
Well I'm hopeful Andrea 'Barings Loan' Leadsome won't be our Leader.
Did you see my anecdata from the last thread. Most people seem to be lining up behind May, there also doesn't seem to be a big leave/remain divide like most think.
Nope.
But it would fit my experience, the other thing is how many party members are saying we shouldn't assume Corbyn will still be there in 2020, so that helps May.
No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.
He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.
Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...
Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.
And if immigration doesn't fall? I actually think it doesn't matter that much. Providing a second option in safe labour seats is probably enough to win a few of them...
May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
Thx - Yes, that's what I meant. She's through to Thursday if this number vote for her. Fox will be out on Tuesday and then possibly one other will drop out voluntarily.
May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.
It was mentioned on here that that happened to Davis in '05.
Nigel is certainly not one to sit idly on his bottom and I'd be very surprised if he hadn't already planned the next stage of his working life. It will be interesting to see whether or not he also retires as an MEP or will he continue to harangue the likes of Juncker? Hope so.
May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.
She might get fewer, if only because they have been ordered to play the game and make sure Crabb is the 2nd candidate in the final run-off. The Tory MPs are supposed to be the most sophisticated electorate in the world.
No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.
He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
No he won't.
It will be the electorates of the UK and Scotland which may do that.
As much as I can't stand the guy, he's a counter-example to the "all political careers end in failure" trope. He won his fight, he won't be the one to take the blame if it all goes to hell (that'll be brexit tories), he's the kind of person who will make a comfortable enough living through speeches, columns, and talking head segments. His reputation could only go downhill from here so makes sense to get out now.
I don't think this was his choice.
He gave an interview to LBC the other day that led to speculation that Mr Carswell was going to be kicked out of UKIP on Monday. Today. It looks like he lost a power struggle.
To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.
Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...
Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.
Well Farage specifically said that their future lies in taking votes off Labour. Surely that means he hopes someone like Nuttall will win and the likes of Carsewell will be ejected and the likes od Richard Tyndall will leave of their own volition allowing them to become a socially conservative, economically statist party that can appeal to the 37% of Labour voters who voted Leave as well as most of their own voters and some Tories who aren't on board for the modernisation plan started by Dave and George and probably TBC by Theresa.
Late to the party, but I'm confused by Farage saying the job was done,in essence - as many leavers have said, they are worried Brexit (or their version of it anyway) may not happen, and they need to fight for it, so the job isn't done. Given his comments about kicking out Carswell (implied anyway), the power struggle idea has some credence.
To join the Conservative party under Andrea Leadsom's leadership?
Don't say that. That's a truly depressing thought.
Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
Don't worry with Farage gone UKIP are perfectly positioned to do an SNP to Labour in the Midlands and the North...
Hmmm. Not sure how that works to be honest. Without us being in the EU what does UKIP stand for? It could shift sharply left on economics, while remaining socially conservative and even more anti-immigration, but which leadership candidate could do that credibly? If immigration does fall now, the anti-immigration rhetoric will need to get ever louder to be heard. Should that happen it would be tricky to keep UKIP in the mainstream.
And if immigration doesn't fall? I actually think it doesn't matter that much. Providing a second option in safe labour seats is probably enough to win a few of them...
A few perhaps. But FPTP is a killer. The SNP tacked left to hoover up disaffected Labour voters. Immigration is the one UKIP calling card, and it's a strong one, but elections are not binary. UKIP is going to need to be strong and credible on issues like the NHS, public spending and housing, and never doing deals with the Tories. I am not saying there's not an opportunity, but I just wonder whether UKIP's leadership and members are ready, or able, to do what it takes.
May has 110 according to Crick. Is that the winning post as in guaranteed to go into next round? Assuming they all actually vote for her.
Nope, it's a series of secret ballots. Quite a few of her 'supporters' are probably those looking for a good job on the basis that she's the favourite.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
I certainly won't be upset if May gets the job, but it would be amusing if May ends up with many fewer MPs than have declared for her.
She might get fewer, if only because they have been ordered to play the game and make sure Crabb is the 2nd candidate in the final run-off. The Tory MPs are supposed to be the most sophisticated electorate in the world.
If that sort of thing is going on, is it not foolish to have allowed MPs to have declared their support for her? I appreciate she does not have complete control over that, but surely she wouldn't want it to be too obvious that she's been lending MPs to another candidate.
No the man who helped save it. I wasn't a big Farage fan (as I am sure I made obvious on here over the last few years) and never voted for him as party leader but he undoubtedly was responsible for carrying the torch for Euroscepticism over the years and it is in great part due to him that we finally get to leave the EU.
He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
No he won't.
It will be the electorates of the UK and Scotland which may do that.
Only they have the power.
Yes. Sad that it is so, but when it happens it's because there's no longer enough affection for the UK Union - people exploit the gap that leaves, but it has been there and growing.
Farage has polluted UK politics and poisoned political discourse.He still refuses to condemn increased racial incidents post Brexit.That will be the first question for the new ukip leader.
So Farage has gone? Send no flowers. Like Enoch before him, he'll be remembered as a politician who tried to drag bigotry into the mainstream, by feigning compassion for the uneducated and the resentful. Ironically, it was his behaviour during the campaign for the very referendum he'd dedicated his life to secure that left his reputation in tatters.
So Farage has gone? Send no flowers. Like Enoch before him, he'll be remembered as a politician who tried to drag bigotry into the mainstream, by feigning compassion for the uneducated and the resentful. Ironically, it was his behaviour during the campaign for the very referendum he'd dedicated his life to secure that left his reputation in tatters.
And there speaks the bilious voice of defeat. I am so glad you lost.
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Should be remembered Farage vowed to destroy the Tory party a few years ago.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/749897343189733376
He definitely should have stood down after the last election (or rather stayed stood down) and I think he was a divisive character in the Eurosceptic movement but it would be churlish not to admit the huge part he played in achieving something historic and great for Britain.
Boadicea, Henry V, Elizabeth I, Nelson, Wellington, Churchill, Farage.
Edited extra bit: sorry, forgot Leanne Wood. Ahem.
Incidentally, his dream job would be presenting military history documentaries - that's his passion, and Richard Holmes was a close friend.
Nigel Farage’s departure comes at the best possible time for Ukip. The party could be hoovering up votes from Labour’s heartlands which voted for Out in surprisingly large numbers in the referendum. But since that result, figures in Ukip had been feeling dismayed that their party seemed angry and disorganised, unable to reach out to those Labour voters. Farage spent most of the referendum campaign behaving badly, almost trying to sabotage his own side, before conceding that Remain had won just hours before it became clear that Leave had won.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/nigel-farages-depature-means-ukip-can-seize-post-referendum-opportunity/
He is absolutely synonymous with UKIP and carried the party at times. He's been incredibly energetic, brave, determined and shown a commendable resolve to bounce back from lows.
I'd nevrr vote for him but I doubt we would've had an EU referendum without him.
LibDems next?
Was that a fib? We'll see in next few days.
The electorate is 330 though, so 110 guarantees someone will be in the top two of that particular ballot.
Which reminds me, Happy treason day you ungrateful colonials.
But it would fit my experience, the other thing is how many party members are saying we shouldn't assume Corbyn will still be there in 2020, so that helps May.
Yet, after all that, when Scotland goes he will still be the man who broke Britain.
It will be interesting to see whether or not he also retires as an MEP or will he continue to harangue the likes of Juncker? Hope so.
It will be the electorates of the UK and Scotland which may do that.
Only they have the power.
He gave an interview to LBC the other day that led to speculation that Mr Carswell was going to be kicked out of UKIP on Monday. Today. It looks like he lost a power struggle.
There is so much political betting to be had at the moment, it's getting crazy.
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Not celebrating Nigel Farage's resignation. UKIP could become a greater threat in northern Labour seats under a new leader.
And when Scotland goes independent just P.