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If that poll is even vaguely accurate the labour party really is screwed. You don't listen to the nasty people jezzas, the totally nutty membership has your back.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
@britainelects: Jeremy Corbyn should...
Lead Labour into the next GE: 41%
Step down before the next GE: 10%
Step down now: 44%
(via YouGov, Lab members)0 -
Looks like McDonnell is the only viable alternative to Corbyn who could get the memberships support, Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS. However only if Corbyn is willing to go and McDonnell willing to standTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Have just had a listen to Hezza on Boris... I don't think he's very happy...
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Pricelesswilliamglenn said:It's ironic that she was weeping for an arrogant, posh Bullingdon boy today.
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reminds of polls the night before the referendumWanderer said:
Corbyn is seriously beatable on those numbers.
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The majority know this is entirely undemocratic, unprecedented and manufactured.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Nah, YouGov got the Labour leadership contest spot on last yearalex. said:Surely attempting to poll the Labour selectorate is about the most impossible polling exercise?
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More Michael Ancram than Michael Howard...HYUFD said:
Looks like McDonnell is the only viable alternative to Corbyn who could get the memberships support, Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS. However only if Corbyn is willing to go and McDonnell willing to standTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Howard was IDS' Shadow Chancellor as McDonnell is Corbyn's, Howard was also closer ideologically to IDS than Ancram was, though Ancram was an IDS loyalistMortimer said:
More Michael Ancram than Michael Howard...HYUFD said:
Looks like McDonnell is the only viable alternative to Corbyn who could get the memberships support, Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS. However only if Corbyn is willing to go and McDonnell willing to standTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Will be delighted if it's May. Continuity Cameron will be great for Labour. Providing there still is a Labour to benefit0
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Congratulations on your mumps recovery, btw.AnneJGP said:
I find it - odd - that very many peoples have been willing to lay down their lives for democracy, and yet we are so used to being comfortable that it's now by far the top priority for so many of us.
It is one thing to have hardship imposed upon you, it is another to choose it carelessly, and it is a third to have it imposed upon you by others choosing carelessly.
Somebody choosing to suffer for a purpose is one thing.
Somebody choosing somebody else to suffer for a purpose is another.
Somebody choosing somebody else to suffer for a purpose and then telling them that they aren't suffering is a third.
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Now I know for certain the labour membership is bonkers. 10% would vote for Andy Burnham.HYUFD said:0 -
Bruce Stavro Blofeld?TheScreamingEagles said:There's an Australian chap, who is fond of cats, who has shocking polling about Michael Gove, that might get widely shared
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I have had stuff that I don't agree with imposed on me by other people's choices all my life. It is called living in a democracy.viewcode said:
It is one thing to have hardship imposed upon you, it is another to choose it carelessly, and it is a third to have it imposed upon you by others choosing carelessly.AnneJGP said:
I find it - odd - that very many peoples have been willing to lay down their lives for democracy, and yet we are so used to being comfortable that it's now by far the top priority for so many of us.
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May would easily see off Corbyn or McDonnellRochdalePioneers said:Will be delighted if it's May. Continuity Cameron will be great for Labour. Providing there still is a Labour to benefit
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No you flamin' galahviewcode said:
Bruce Stavro Blofeld?TheScreamingEagles said:There's an Australian chap, who is fond of cats, who has shocking polling about Michael Gove, that might get widely shared
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What, in advance of the selectorate being finalised?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, YouGov got the Labour leadership contest spot on last yearalex. said:Surely attempting to poll the Labour selectorate is about the most impossible polling exercise?
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I'd love to know what figures would have been acheived by Tony Blair if he was named...FrancisUrquhart said:
Now I know for certain the labour membership is bonkers. 10% would vote for Andy Burnham.HYUFD said:0 -
Before, during, and afteralex. said:
What, in advance of the selectorate being finalised?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah, YouGov got the Labour leadership contest spot on last yearalex. said:Surely attempting to poll the Labour selectorate is about the most impossible polling exercise?
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Just like Cameron was great for Labour? (countless posts on here, 2005-2015)RochdalePioneers said:Will be delighted if it's May. Continuity Cameron will be great for Labour. Providing there still is a Labour to benefit
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Not too bonkers: none back Ben Bradshaw.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now I know for certain the labour membership is bonkers. 10% would vote for Andy Burnham.HYUFD said:0 -
Does this change the current dynamic? I think Corbyn and co are being so stubborn because they think he is unbeatable in an election. This changes that.0
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A bit of a disastrous days trading for me
Backed gove for quite a large stake around noon at average odds of 5.28. When it was clear the narrative was going against him this afternoon/evening, I reversed my position - laying back at average 7.46. The result is a big fat red across my con leadership book.
I totally misread his strength of his position relative to May.
Today has been an education!0 -
Point of order sir; I very carefully chose to vote Leave to alleviate hardship rather than impose it.viewcode said:
It is one thing to have hardship imposed upon you, it is another to choose it carelessly, and it is a third to have it imposed upon you by others choosing carelessly.AnneJGP said:
I find it - odd - that very many peoples have been willing to lay down their lives for democracy, and yet we are so used to being comfortable that it's now by far the top priority for so many of us.
Congratulations on your mumps recovery, btw.
And not just to help you win your bet....0 -
YouGov have put their charts and tables up
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/30/labour-members-corbyn-post-brexit/0 -
Am looking to cover Burnham off the back of this. He's actually in quite a strong position with the members if Corbyn goes. He's a permanent laughing stock amongst serious politicians, though.FrancisUrquhart said:
Now I know for certain the labour membership is bonkers. 10% would vote for Andy Burnham.HYUFD said:0 -
Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
It is early days yet, though. In all honesty, as an ABC(EFK) Labour member, I'm quite encouraged by that poll. It shows that there is an outside chance of rescuing the party from electoral oblivion. A 10% margin for Corbyn over Eagle isn't enough for the result to be nailed on.DanSmith said:
YouGov have a 100% record with Labour leadership elections, within MoE to boot.alex. said:Surely attempting to poll the Labour selectorate is about the most impossible polling exercise?
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I had a very similar afternoon - and have now doubled down with a punt on Leadsom.Pong said:A bit of a disastrous days trading for me
Backed gove for quite a large stake around noon at average odds of 5.28. When it was clear the narrative was going against him this afternoon/evening, I reversed my position - laying back at average 7.46. The result is a big fat red across my con leadership book.
I totally misread his strength.
Today has been an education!0 -
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
Toby Perkins @tobyperkinsmp 4m4 minutes ago
@john Not legitimate to stand in a contest when you've had vote of No confidence, no Labour Group would accept that.
My MP thinks Corbyn cant stand0 -
Russell Kane is rather good on this QT. Much better than Lady Nugee.0
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What's wrong with Kendall? She'd easily win the next election for you if she's up against the old bat May.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It is early days yet, though. In all honesty, as an ABC(EFK) Labour member, I'm quite encouraged by that poll. It shows that there is an outside chance of rescuing the party from electoral oblivion. A 10% margin for Corbyn over Eagle isn't enough for the result to be nailed on.DanSmith said:
YouGov have a 100% record with Labour leadership elections, within MoE to boot.alex. said:Surely attempting to poll the Labour selectorate is about the most impossible polling exercise?
PS. EFK = Except For Kendall0 -
Luton - High Town
Miraz, Maahwish - Labour Party 505 / 39.6%
Bliss, Lyn - Green Party 273 / 21.4%
Mead, Clive Richard - Liberal Democrats 181 / 14.2%
Garrett, Sue - Conservative Party 141 / 11%
French, John Rodney – Independent 102 / 8%
Froggatt, Grace Elizabeth - UK Independence Party 69 / 5.4%
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Sometimes I wonder whether there is more to you than narrow party interest. It's disappointing.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh yes please - a full leadership contest with Corbyn narrowly hanging on would be fantastic. (For the Tories).
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Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
The Cllr causing the by-election in Luton "resigned after being suspended from the party for having tweeted that Hitler was the greatest man of history and that Iran should develop nuclear weapons to wipe out Israel, back in 2011"0
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Emily Thornberry still insisting Labour can win a general election with Corbyn as leader.0
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Just being helpful!Jonathan said:
Sometimes I wonder whether there is more to you than narrow party interest. It's disappointing.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh yes please - a full leadership contest with Corbyn narrowly hanging on would be fantastic. (For the Tories).
In all seriousness, I've said Labour should go for Yvette. You can't get more disinterested than that.0 -
Members quite possibly.HurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%
Affiliated and registered supporters less so.
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That bar is so low, a dwarf could step over it.Mortimer said:Russell Kane is rather good on this QT. Much better than Lady Nugee.
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Full interview just been broadcast on Newsnight.MyBurningEars said:I was away while this came in a couple of hours ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36678222
The European Union's top trade official says the UK cannot begin negotiating terms for doing business with the bloc until after it has left. "First you exit then you negotiate," Cecilia Malmstrom told BBC Newsnight.
After Brexit, the UK would become a "third country" in EU terms, she said - meaning trade would be carried out based on World Trade Organisation rules until a new deal was complete.
A recent trade deal with Canada took seven years to negotiate. The Canadian agreement will also require ratification by all EU countries, adding another one to two years before it takes effect. ...
Under EU law, the bloc cannot negotiate a separate trade deal with one of its own members, hence the commissioner's insistence that the UK must first leave. It is also against EU law for a member to negotiate its own trade deals with outsiders, which means the UK cannot start doing this until after it has left the EU. Taken at face value, these rules mean the UK cannot conduct its own trade talks for up to two years - a fearsome challenge to any prime minister trying to deliver Brexit. ... [E]ven a Norway-style single market access deal, they caution, could take years to negotiate, leaving the UK trading on WTO terms in the meantime.
What's the political upshot here? I'd be astonished if Germany, in particular, was looking forward to the idea of Britain sitting there on WTO terms for years, and if the new government wants to take the EEA route would rather maintain seamless continuity of Britain's membership of the single market rather than kick us out it via our EU exit then take us back into the EEA years later.
Does this all have any implications for the argument over a Swiss/ Norwegian / Canadian style deal?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07j8mqp/newsnight-30062016
You want to skip to 49:10 or so. The interview is quite brief but some tidbits in there that weren't in the web story.
The trade commissioner did not sound (to me) as confident in her statements as the web story suggested. But if it's true we will have to sit out a few years on WTO rules, with all the common market stuff gone (presumably including the financial passport) that would surely be a huge game-changer.0 -
Unfortunately, if it continues to be imposed carelessly, the demos fractures (e.g Scotland)HurstLlama said:
I have had stuff that I don't agree with imposed on me by other people's choices all my life. It is called living in a democracy.viewcode said:
It is one thing to have hardship imposed upon you, it is another to choose it carelessly, and it is a third to have it imposed upon you by others choosing carelessly.AnneJGP said:
I find it - odd - that very many peoples have been willing to lay down their lives for democracy, and yet we are so used to being comfortable that it's now by far the top priority for so many of us.0 -
Thornberry seems rattled on QT....0
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Haha. Tear up the Rulebook, and replace it with the ad-hoc rules of the conspirators...bigjohnowls said:Toby Perkins @tobyperkinsmp 4m4 minutes ago
@john Not legitimate to stand in a contest when you've had vote of No confidence, no Labour Group would accept that.
My MP thinks Corbyn cant stand
Try again, traitors.0 -
Thornberry wants a general election with Corbyn as leader and expects Labour to win it.0
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I knew that Game of Thrones would come up eventuallyFrancisUrquhart said:
That bar is so low, a dwarf could step over it.Mortimer said:Russell Kane is rather good on this QT. Much better than Lady Nugee.
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Really? Did not some Labour constituencies vote in favour of Leave? Hard to see places like Sunderland getting 61.3% for Leave if only 9% of Labour voters were voting that way overall (Labour got 50% of the vote there in 2015, an 11k majority)TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
Gove out to 10/1.0
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Labour members are not the same as Labour voters!HurstLlama said:
Really? Did not some Labour constituencies vote in favour of Leave? Hard to see places like Sunderland getting 61.3% for Leave if only 9% of Labour voters were voting that way overall (Labour got 50% of the vote there in 2015, an 11k majority)TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
All their members are in London, give or take.HurstLlama said:
Really? Did not some Labour constituencies vote in favour of Leave? Hard to see places like Sunderland getting 61.3% for Leave if only 9% of Labour voters were voting that way overall (Labour got 50% of the vote there in 2015, an 11k majority)TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
Yes and that's Labour voters, this is a poll of Labour members, if there's one thing I know about politics, activists are often out of alignment with their voters, and Labour members are London centricHurstLlama said:
Really? Did not some Labour constituencies vote in favour of Leave? Hard to see places like Sunderland getting 61.3% for Leave if only 9% of Labour voters were voting that way overall (Labour got 50% of the vote there in 2015, an 11k majority)TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
Labour members certainly, over 50% probably live in Islington!HurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%0 -
It depends how dire the Brexit economy turns out to be.AndyJS said:Thornberry wants a general election with Corbyn as leader and expects Labour to win it.
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Better Question Time for Thornberry than Carswell I reckon. Good performance by Gyimah.0
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Toby Perkins @tobyperkinsmp 18m18 minutes ago
@john Not legitimate to stand in a contest when you've had vote of No confidence, no Labour Group would accept that.
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As one of the 9%, I believe it.foxinsoxuk said:
Members quite possibly.HurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%
Affiliated and registered supporters less so.
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Brilliant. Charlie falconer is on question time next week. He'll resign then in front of the public. Must s tv!0
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Toby sounds a bit out of touch with his party to me !bigjohnowls said:Toby Perkins @tobyperkinsmp 18m18 minutes ago
@john Not legitimate to stand in a contest when you've had vote of No confidence, no Labour Group would accept that.
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Andrew Neil mocking Gove
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My response was
@tobyperkinsmp God how undemocratic is that. 172 people do not get to overule 500k members IMO
@tobyperkinsmp So using that logic if Chesterfield Labour members pass a vote of no confidence in you. You would resign?
Surprisingly he has not answered my hypothetical question!!0 -
Mole Valley Leatherhead North Lib Dem gain from Con
LD 862
Con 340
UKIP 157
Lab 135
Green 280 -
"We know we can't beat you, but we will nevertheless try to force you out, and demolish the party if necessary."bigjohnowls said:Toby Perkins @tobyperkinsmp 18m18 minutes ago
@john Not legitimate to stand in a contest when you've had vote of No confidence, no Labour Group would accept that.
Anyone else think this is reasonable
Nope, entirely UNreasonable.
Start deselecting these traitors NOW.0 -
Impressive, that.MarkSenior said:Mole Valley Leatherhead North Lib Dem gain from Con
LD 862
Con 340
UKIP 157
Lab 135
Green 280 -
Mr. Code, it is always imposed carelessly. Every general election is decided by the voters, most of whom haven't a clue about the issues.viewcode said:
Unfortunately, if it continues to be imposed carelessly, the demos fractures (e.g Scotland)HurstLlama said:
I have had stuff that I don't agree with imposed on me by other people's choices all my life. It is called living in a democracy.viewcode said:
It is one thing to have hardship imposed upon you, it is another to choose it carelessly, and it is a third to have it imposed upon you by others choosing carelessly.AnneJGP said:
I find it - odd - that very many peoples have been willing to lay down their lives for democracy, and yet we are so used to being comfortable that it's now by far the top priority for so many of us.
For a start much of the campaigning and discussion is about the economy - numbers, percentages, GDP and so forth. According to government figures (admittedly a few years old, but I doubt the situation has changed much) 40% of adults are numerically illiterate - they have a mathematical understanding below that required of a 14 year old. They don't even understand percentages FFS.
Take GDP, even on this site how many could state what it is without having to google it, and how many would understand what google told them? The we come to growth and rates of growth, velocity versus acceleration. How many voters understand calculus?
The majority of people I think vote from a position of ignorance based on their heart not their head. That is the system we have and we all have to live with the results, which are often not what we would like.
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19.7% swing CON -> LDMarkSenior said:Mole Valley Leatherhead North Lib Dem gain from Con
LD 862
Con 340
UKIP 157
Lab 135
Green 280 -
Wasn't Toby Perkins on the First Up Against The Wall list anyway?RodCrosby said:
"We know we can't beat you, but we will nevertheless try to force you out, and demolish the party if necessary."bigjohnowls said:Toby Perkins @tobyperkinsmp 18m18 minutes ago
@john Not legitimate to stand in a contest when you've had vote of No confidence, no Labour Group would accept that.
Anyone else think this is reasonable
Nope, entirely UNreasonable.
Start deselecting these traitors NOW.
He's my PM too, BTW.0 -
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Portillo: Boris would have been a disastrous PM.0
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Portillo 'Boris would have been a disastrous PM' May or Gove both far more capable0
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Iain Dale: frontrunners are May and Leadsom.0
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Charlie Falconer eat your heart out! If only he had been leading for Labour in the Committee Stage of the Finance Bill, he could like my MP have spent two days wanting to resign before finally being able to get around to it in front of the public, as recorded here:Scrapheap_as_was said:Brilliant. Charlie falconer is on question time next week. He'll resign then in front of the public. Must s tv!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/listen-labour-mp-rob-marris-11549732
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Whooops!not_on_fire said:
Labour members are not the same as Labour voters!HurstLlama said:
Really? Did not some Labour constituencies vote in favour of Leave? Hard to see places like Sunderland getting 61.3% for Leave if only 9% of Labour voters were voting that way overall (Labour got 50% of the vote there in 2015, an 11k majority)TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%
Totally misread young Darth Eagles original post.
Thank you Mr. Fire for pointing out my error, along with Mssrs HYFUD and Price. I apologise Mr. Eagles for wasting your time.
In mitigation I can only plead tiredness and perhaps it is time I went to bed.0 -
Alan Johnson 'The candidate Labour would most fear is Theresa May, the candidate they would least fear is Michael Gove'0
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Never mind, at the rate they are presently going the only Labour voters left will be Labour members!HurstLlama said:
Whooops!not_on_fire said:
Labour members are not the same as Labour voters!HurstLlama said:
Really? Did not some Labour constituencies vote in favour of Leave? Hard to see places like Sunderland getting 61.3% for Leave if only 9% of Labour voters were voting that way overall (Labour got 50% of the vote there in 2015, an 11k majority)TheScreamingEagles said:
Given the views of the Labour members I know, yes I can believe itHurstLlama said:
Do you believe that?TheScreamingEagles said:Labour members voted in the EU Ref
Remain 90%
Leave 9%
Totally misread young Darth Eagles original post.
Thank you Mr. Fire for pointing out my error, along with Mssrs HYFUD and Price. I apologise Mr. Eagles for wasting your time.
In mitigation I can only plead tiredness and perhaps it is time I went to bed.0 -
Mr Llama, I agree with all of that. I would add one thought though, which is backed by a good deal of science. And that is for truly complex issues, like who should govern across a wide range of conflicting complex priorities, the emotional brain is actually better at making decisions than the rational brain. This is what the elite fail not only to understand, but even to acknowledge.HurstLlama said:
Mr. Code, it is always imposed carelessly. Every general election is decided by the voters, most of whom haven't a clue about the issues.viewcode said:
Unfortunately, if it continues to be imposed carelessly, the demos fractures (e.g Scotland)HurstLlama said:
I have had stuff that I don't agree with imposed on me by other people's choices all my life. It is called living in a democracy.viewcode said:
It is one thing to have hardship imposed upon you, it is another to choose it carelessly, and it is a third to have it imposed upon you by others choosing carelessly.AnneJGP said:
I find it - odd - that very many peoples have been willing to lay down their lives for democracy, and yet we are so used to being comfortable that it's now by far the top priority for so many of us.
For a start much of the campaigning and discussion is about the economy - numbers, percentages, GDP and so forth. According to government figures (admittedly a few years old, but I doubt the situation has changed much) 40% of adults are numerically illiterate - they have a mathematical understanding below that required of a 14 year old. They don't even understand percentages FFS.
Take GDP, even on this site how many could state what it is without having to google it, and how many would understand what google told them? The we come to growth and rates of growth, velocity versus acceleration. How many voters understand calculus?
The majority of people I think vote from a position of ignorance based on their heart not their head. That is the system we have and we all have to live with the results, which are often not what we would like.
Now on the innumeracy, your are absolutely right. Here is something from a course on science communication I occasionally run:
"In a survey, 1000 Germans were asked what ‘40%’ means: one quarter, 4 out of 10 or every 40th person. About one third of responders did not choose the right answer."0 -
It appears that 12000 have joined the Lib Dems in the last week. That is about 20 in every constituency - makes a huge difference to the ground game.Tissue_Price said:
Impressive, that.MarkSenior said:Mole Valley Leatherhead North Lib Dem gain from Con
LD 862
Con 340
UKIP 157
Lab 135
Green 280 -
Yes and especially against a hard left figure with their reputation for sexismAndyJS said:
Labour would be in trouble if there's a female Tory leader IMO whichever one it is, especially if they have a male leader.HYUFD said:Alan Johnson 'The candidate Labour would most fear is Theresa May, the candidate they would least fear is Michael Gove'
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Stroppy corbynista journalist on this week... it's thatchers fault we had brexit0
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Yes, I agree too. Though Fox is probably more rightwing than Gove, Gove has an awkward untelegenic persona. He is a capable minister but lacks electoral appealJonathan said:
Sounds about rightHYUFD said:Alan Johnson 'The candidate Labour would most fear is Theresa May, the candidate they would least fear is Michael Gove'
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"Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh was active in the Scottish Tories from the age of 10 and a member from 16."
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In order of electability, May, Crabb, Leadsom, Fox, Gove for me. In order of ideology from centre to right May, Crabb, Gove, Leadsom, FoxRodCrosby said:
Fox, May, Gove, Leadsom, Crabb is my guess, although that order is of course a bit fuzzy.HYUFD said:Alan Johnson 'The candidate Labour would most fear is Theresa May, the candidate they would least fear is Michael Gove'
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I had best re-open my sandal factoryslade said:
It appears that 12000 have joined the Lib Dems in the last week. That is about 20 in every constituency - makes a huge difference to the ground game.Tissue_Price said:
Impressive, that.MarkSenior said:Mole Valley Leatherhead North Lib Dem gain from Con
LD 862
Con 340
UKIP 157
Lab 135
Green 28
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Labour would love Con to elect Fox.
An IDS rehash plus wanting to restrict abortion on top - the perfect cocktail to destroy any chance of winning an election.0 -
Who is the journo blaming everything ever on thatcher on this week? Bonkers....even claiming postie Johnson doesn't know s##k about normal folk.0
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Starkey laying into Cameron and Osborne's reputation now at the end of This Week as well as Blair0
