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David Blunkett looks very well0
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According to the legislation which was quoted earlier he will call the leader of the largest opposition group in that House of Parliament. That is not necessarily the same as the leader of the Labour Party. If the Speaker were convinced that Watson had the majority support of the PLP he would have to call him. The Speaker's decision is final.David_Evershed said:
The Speaker would not call Watson. He would call Corbyn.DavidL said:So are the PLP going to put up Watson for PMQs tomorrow? That surely would be a humiliation too far.
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Yup.... kipper in all but partykle4 said:
I've never heard of him, so is he the Corbyn of the Tory party?Scrapheap_as_was said:John Baron standing for PM....
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Said this during Brown and Miliband's time: the worst possible thing is to have a failed coup. Weakens the leader, weakens the party.
If Corbyn stays on and we do have an election in the near future, Labour could get bloody hammered.
If he stays on and there's no election in the near future, I wonder if the 172 will form a new party.0 -
GIN1138 said:
Bottom line:
Jezza has got enough support to make the final ballot (and as leader he can make the ballot anyway)
Jezza has got the party membership.
Jezza has got the Unions.
Jezza is going nowhere.
Next Wednesday I reckon he's going to stand up in the HoC and demand Tony Blair be arrested and put on trial for war crimes (he might even make a formal complaint to the Police)
That would be great if Corbyn calls for the arrest of the inspiration of the disloyal Blairite wing of the parliamentary party.0 -
Golly - Jack Straw who a few years ago said he wanted the English to disappear is now touting the issues of WWC voters who feel ignored.
He's no traction with me.
BBC "Mr Straw will describe the English as "potentially very aggressive, very violent" and will "increasingly articulate their Englishness following devolution."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3283642/Sharia-law-subservient-to-English-courts-says-Jack-Straw.html
"The Justice Secretary told an Islamic conference that no court would ever endorse a sharia ruling that conflicted with English law and that the arguments against introducing a separate Islamic legal system were "overwhelming".0 -
John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
precisely...TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Shouldn't be hard to do - only one Labour MP has won a Labour leadership election.Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: Interesting thought. Ministers of Crown Act 1937 gives Speaker power to choose official leader of Opposition if uncertainty over who it is.
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Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?
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55%DeClare said:AndyJS said:Big mistake by Boris to rule out a general election if he becomes leader IMO.
AndyJS said:Big mistake by Boris to rule out a general election if he becomes leader IMO.
It's hard to see how a GE can occur before 2020 because an early election now requires a two thirds majority in the House of Commons, the Tories and Labour can't both be ahead in the polls at the same time and one of them would veto the idea.AndyJS said:Big mistake by Boris to rule out a general election if he becomes leader IMO.
The SNP have all but three of Scotland's seats, they can only go backwards, so they won't want one either.
Another way is to have a vote of no confidence where the Tories vote to have no confidence in themselves, the mantle is then passed to the opposition and if there is another vote of no confidence in them within 14 days, the speaker can call an early election, but it all seems a bit convoluted and they wont endear themselves to the voters.
They could try to repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, but it would probably be delayed in the Lords.0 -
I'd rather have Mark Reckless be Dave's successor.Sandpit said:
Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Joining the LDs if he wins?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Is the frequency of these things up? It would be very difficult to come to an objective answer - press coverage is always selective, if they went looking for it they will find it. There's also the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon to consider: if we're primed to look for it, we'll see more of it. On the other hand, in the current climate it's easy to imagine idiots feeling this is the time they can get away with stuff. My money would be on an objective increase, but I don't think we'll ever really know. Whatever non-zero level it's at is too high anyway.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
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My suspicion is that at the moments euro racial incidents are more likely to be reported as immigration is the in topic. It is probably likely that some neanderthals think they will be more likely to get away with it at the moment. Either way I have full confidence in inspector knacker to apprehend them.
What annoys me and I suspect many others is people exploiting these incidents and basically shouting that it is all my fault for daring to exercise my democratic right to vote in a way they dont like in a referendum because wanting my country to run its own affairs and not be ruled over by unelected officials in a superstate is clearly equivalent to wanting to join the hitler youth or whatever other insult is flavour of the day.
Exploiting such incidents for political gain is quite low. But I also think it really is incumbent for some of the big-hitting Leavers to get out there and condemn this stuff, emphasise this wasn't a vote for hate and intolerance, and that people who've made their lives here are valued and respected. There are a lot of people out there who are very nervous, feel rejected and devalued as human beings, and need reassurance (though some of those folk I know will react to conciliatory Leavers like they would to a cup of cold sick: on "you stirred it up, you can't now pretend it's not your fault and nothing to do with you" grounds). Moreover mainstream Leavers need to do their damnedest to ensure they don't end up associated with NF/BNP/disorganised and apolitical thugs in the minds of sections of the voting public. If it ever comes down to an electoral rerun, you can't afford for your project to get branded as Project Hate by your opponents.
I'd love a good pumping down of rhetoric on all sides but fat chance of that.0 -
Who?Scrapheap_as_was said:
precisely...TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
CONHome members survey has
May 29%
Johnson 28%
Leadsom 13%
Fox 13%0 -
Secret ballot.chestnut said:Do we have any idea who the 40 are?
So you can never know the truth. eg Did Corbyn vote for LEAVE or REMAIN?0 -
Toast. As I keep saying. And it's getting worse for Donald Toast.JackW said:National - Survey Monkey/NBC - Sample 6,556
Clinton 49 .. Trump 41
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-democratic-wave-isn-t-coming-least-not-yet-n6002010 -
Leader of Merton council says corbyn should go.0
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John Baron hasn't been listed by Betfair in the market for next Conservative leader. A strange omission which they will need to rectify speedily.0
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The 172 presumably represent a large number of constituencies that have just voted Leave.Morris_Dancer said:Said this during Brown and Miliband's time: the worst possible thing is to have a failed coup. Weakens the leader, weakens the party.
If Corbyn stays on and we do have an election in the near future, Labour could get bloody hammered.
If he stays on and there's no election in the near future, I wonder if the 172 will form a new party.
It will be interesting to see the names of the 57 who backed Corbyn or avoided a decision.
edit: silly me, just seen the secret ballot.0 -
LOL -* goes to research Baron a little more*TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd rather have Mark Reckless be Dave's successor.Sandpit said:
Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?
Edit: Sandhurst, Rothschild, Parliament. Conscientious objector to military action, eurosceptic.... what's not to like?0 -
REMAIN was a good coalition – it worked, and made sense.kle4 said:Seriously though, why won't someone in politics state the truth that the parties just don't make sense anymore - there's coalitions, but the actual Coalition was more harmonius than the Tory left and right, or Labour right and left. And neither side seems to think they can trust their own members.
LEAVE much less so.0 -
No, I shall be a one nation liberal Tory without a home.kle4 said:
Joining the LDs if he wins?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Agreed.... that badTheScreamingEagles said:
I'd rather have Mark Reckless be Dave's successor.Sandpit said:
Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Is he perhaps in the list for Labour leader?AlastairMeeks said:John Baron hasn't been listed by Betfair in the market for next Conservative leader. A strange omission which they will need to rectify speedily.
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In order for you to lay him presumably?AlastairMeeks said:John Baron hasn't been listed by Betfair in the market for next Conservative leader. A strange omission which they will need to rectify speedily.
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@euanmccolm: "hitler's favourite number was 172. that's just a historical fact," ken livingstone.0
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Corbyn is waiting for the Chilcot report so he can pronounce on it as LOTO.notme said:
What are we expecting from the Chilcot report that will tell labour supporters what they already probably suspect? Will it have any fall out?GIN1138 said:
Looking increasingly likely that Jezza will still be around next Wednesday for the Chilcot Report doesn't it?RodCrosby said:McCluskey: “The extraordinary behaviour of Labour MPs has achieved nothing beyond diverting attention from a Tory government in crisis.
“If anyone wants to change the Labour leadership, they must do it openly and democratically through an election, not through resignations and pointless posturing. If there has to be such an election, Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters throughout the movement will be ready for it.”
Tick. Tock.
I suspect that once he has done so, denouncing Blair and officially apologising on behalf of the Labour Party, he will resign. Or is that wishful thinking?0 -
I'm sure Tim Farron would be delighted to hear from you....TheScreamingEagles said:
No, I shall be a one nation liberal Tory without a home.kle4 said:
Joining the LDs if he wins?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
It was a secret ballotInnocent_Abroad said:
Many Labour members despise Parliamentary democracy. That's why they have the leader they have.taffys said:''If Yvette campaigns for the leadership on a europhile plus renegotiation on FOM ticket and stuff it up the Tories, she stands a good chance of winning ''
True but the membership will never vote for Yvette Cooper, surely. They will gleefully vote in Corbyn again because they despise many labour MPs.
I expect JC to call a special conference to expel the MPs who voted against him.0 -
I thought you were a leaver...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Who?Scrapheap_as_was said:
precisely...TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Good to see you posting again, Mr. J.. I wish you a speedy recovery and a growing proportion of good days.JosiasJessop said:
Having a good day today thanks, and my sister's been around for a few hours to look after the little 'un (she's off on a shooting trip in ?Sweden? for the day tomorrow (*)).Richard_Tyndall said:
How are you doing JJ? Hope you are still improving.JosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Richard_Tyndall said:
EFTA voting is entirely by unanimity and each country gets one vote.JosiasJessop said:
Hi everyone,Paul_Bedfordshire said:The real question I guess is whether places like Poland and RoI also switch to EFTA once we join.
One thing concerns me slightly about EFTA: the ?four? existing EFTA states all have relatively small populations. How does voting / decision making inside EFTA occur?
We are leaving an organisation where one large member (Germany) is often seen as 'bullying' other members. Would the vastly large size of the UK (even without Scotland if they gain indy) just naturally lead us to 'bully' the other EFTA members just because of our different size and economic power?
On another note: at the beginning of last year I expected politics after the GE to be boring. Thanks to the referendum and Labour it's been quite the opposite!
Sadly good days are all too infrequent atm.
(*) Before the legion of PB animal lovers get upset, no animals will get hurt.
Aside from all else we need you on here - there was a brief discussion earlier re HS2 and the consensus seemed to be to scrap it. There was nobody to put the alternative view. Likewise nuclear power - Max suggested molten salts would be viable within the decade and was not challenged.
Get well soon, old boy, and God bless.0 -
John Baron going for the Cash/Redwood vote. Not sure who else there is apart from Cash and Redwood.0
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As if things couldn't get any more chaotic........
Charlie Falconer has resigned.0 -
For the right price. Though the remarkable amount of money available looking to back Stephen Crabb at 9 is getting more of my attention at present.Lennon said:
In order for you to lay him presumably?AlastairMeeks said:John Baron hasn't been listed by Betfair in the market for next Conservative leader. A strange omission which they will need to rectify speedily.
EDIT: 7.6!0 -
Mr. Bob, the Remain coalition worked? It lost the vote.0
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I don't think it's going to be hard to figure out where Labour MPs stand. Jezza has a list, remember?bigjohnowls said:
It was a secret ballotInnocent_Abroad said:
Many Labour members despise Parliamentary democracy. That's why they have the leader they have.taffys said:''If Yvette campaigns for the leadership on a europhile plus renegotiation on FOM ticket and stuff it up the Tories, she stands a good chance of winning ''
True but the membership will never vote for Yvette Cooper, surely. They will gleefully vote in Corbyn again because they despise many labour MPs.
I expect JC to call a special conference to expel the MPs who voted against him.0 -
And yet they won? The E.U must just be crap.Jobabob said:
REMAIN was a good coalition – it worked, and made sense.kle4 said:Seriously though, why won't someone in politics state the truth that the parties just don't make sense anymore - there's coalitions, but the actual Coalition was more harmonius than the Tory left and right, or Labour right and left. And neither side seems to think they can trust their own members.
LEAVE much less so.0 -
Redwood isn't predictable. Remember when he backed Ken Clarke?AndyJS said:John Baron going for the Cash/Redwood vote. Not sure who else there is apart from Cash and Redwood.
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Fox and Leadsom support would surely fall in behind Johnson if a choice of May/Johnson?TheScreamingEagles said:CONHome members survey has
May 29%
Johnson 28%
Leadsom 13%
Fox 13%
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What a c u next Tuesday Farage is
Wow. Farage on Mcr's racist tram thugs: 'I'd say to them that if they had those feelings those feelings should not be as strong this week'0 -
But JC is such a troll - he probably voted "do not have confidence in Jeremy Corbyn"John_M said:
I don't think it's going to be hard to figure out where Labour MPs stand. Jezza has a list, remember?bigjohnowls said:
It was a secret ballotInnocent_Abroad said:
Many Labour members despise Parliamentary democracy. That's why they have the leader they have.taffys said:''If Yvette campaigns for the leadership on a europhile plus renegotiation on FOM ticket and stuff it up the Tories, she stands a good chance of winning ''
True but the membership will never vote for Yvette Cooper, surely. They will gleefully vote in Corbyn again because they despise many labour MPs.
I expect JC to call a special conference to expel the MPs who voted against him.0 -
I think the EU referendum has exposed the whole ugly mess. The well-heeled don't see the problem and think Leavers are oiks, thick and bigots - they don't know many or indeed any. Let them eat cake.kle4 said:If we did have a split, given how tribal our politicos are, and their desire to hold onto those tribal identities, I assume we'll have the Real Labour and Continuity Labour?
They assume all the worst of Leavers - as described at length by Mr Meeks that without the EU we'll become some bizarre caricatures - and eat each other, especially gays.
It's beyond absurd and frankly, I can't be bothered reading such stupid vapid bilge. It'd embarrass student politics.
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I'm a Leaver and a bit of a political anorak. I have never heard of the guy. Wikipedia has enlightened me.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I thought you were a leaver...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Who?Scrapheap_as_was said:
precisely...TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Not sure it's that simple. UKIP needs to become credible on the economy and fiscal issues from a centre left perspective if it is to win over large numbers of working class Labour voters. They are as wedded to the principles of the welfare state - and the NHS especially - as they are to reducing immigration. UKIP does not sound at all convincing on these and you wonder how much will there is among the current leadership and the membership to change. That's why a decent Labour leader would still have a chance, I think. Under Corbyn, of course, catastrophic defeat is guaranteed.SeanT said:
Yes. The chances of Labour melting down in Wales and especially their northern heartlands must now be about evens, rendering them unelectable forever.John_M said:
It's never been clearer that the traditional Labour working class voters don't like their metropolitan middle class counterparts and vice versa. I just don't see how they can bring them together. If they can't it's hard to see how they can win.SeanT said:Perhaps Labour have to endure this convulsion, as they decide what they really ARE: a once-europhile social democratic party which might get 35% of the vote on a very very good day requiring SNP help to govern, or a properly hard left party which might get 20-25%, or a kind of leftwing UKIP which could get 37% and govern but which would have polices on immigration that everyone in the party detests.
Not nice choices. Maybe explains the psychosis.
But then the Tories are now entering their own breadown....
I suppose they can just wait for the Tories to fall apart and win a 'who is least crap' election. Pretty thin gruel.
They could be heading for a Lib Dem type afterlife, where they perform well in weird legacy core areas - London for Labour, Celtic fringe for Libs, but are rubbish everywhere else.
If the Tories do go for single market and virtually free movement, UKIP could possibly supplant Labour. Forever.
I like politics but this is too much. It's a banquet of politics where I feel forced to eat caviar 24/7
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As in it made sense, philosophically.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Bob, the Remain coalition worked? It lost the vote.
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Looks like London Labour is split, Brent north MP backs Corbyn.0
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Not sure if that's more worrying for me or for you - weren't you around in the whole 'who might defect to ukip next' fun and games??John_M said:
I'm a Leaver and a bit of a political anorak. I have never heard of the guy.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I thought you were a leaver...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Who?Scrapheap_as_was said:
precisely...TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?0 -
Jolyon Maugham QC, not a fan of Jeremy Corbyn, wrote an article for the New Statesman on the leader nomination question:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2015/11/could-labours-rule-book-be-used-keep-jeremy-corbyn-leadership-ballot0 -
May led by 1% yesterday with the public too. Some Leadsom support may go to May depends also on who gets through. Boris could end up third with MPs who knowsDavid_Evershed said:
Fox and Leadsom support would surely fall in behind Johnson if a choice of May/Johnson?TheScreamingEagles said:CONHome members survey has
May 29%
Johnson 28%
Leadsom 13%
Fox 13%0 -
@Labourpaul: Has 81% of the PLP ever voted for anything? The PLP has never known such unity since 1906.0
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I'm more interested in the issues rather than the personalities - and of course I don't bet, so they're all just a bunch of suits to meScrapheap_as_was said:
Not sure if that's more worrying for me or for you - weren't you around in the whole 'who might defect to ukip next' fun and games??John_M said:
I'm a Leaver and a bit of a political anorak. I have never heard of the guy.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I thought you were a leaver...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Who?Scrapheap_as_was said:
precisely...TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?
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Out of date though as the last 3 columns should now readJohn_M said:
I don't think it's going to be hard to figure out where Labour MPs stand. Jezza has a list, remember?bigjohnowls said:
It was a secret ballotInnocent_Abroad said:
Many Labour members despise Parliamentary democracy. That's why they have the leader they have.taffys said:''If Yvette campaigns for the leadership on a europhile plus renegotiation on FOM ticket and stuff it up the Tories, she stands a good chance of winning ''
True but the membership will never vote for Yvette Cooper, surely. They will gleefully vote in Corbyn again because they despise many labour MPs.
I expect JC to call a special conference to expel the MPs who voted against him.
http://labourlist.org/2016/03/leaked-list-ranks-labour-mps-by-hostility-to-corbyn/
Maybe i was wrong to be supportive
fook off Corbyn and
FFS FOOKIN FOOK OFF CORBYN
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May led by 1% yesterday with the public too. Some Leadsom support may go to May depends also on who gets through. Boris could end up third with MPs who knowsDavid_Evershed said:
Fox and Leadsom support would surely fall in behind Johnson if a choice of May/Johnson?TheScreamingEagles said:CONHome members survey has
May 29%
Johnson 28%
Leadsom 13%
Fox 13%0 -
WTAF?
@mrianleslie: In this interview Daniel Hannan says the Leave campaign was NOT about disassociating the UK from the EU https://t.co/6FW9agTL2d0 -
How the hell can you be a conscientious objector and go to Sandhurst???Sandpit said:
LOL -* goes to research Baron a little more*TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd rather have Mark Reckless be Dave's successor.Sandpit said:
Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?
Edit: Sandhurst, Rothschild, Parliament. Conscientious objector to military action, eurosceptic.... what's not to like?
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It's unbelievably stupid. rather like Jeremy Corbyn. Whispering into his ear are a large number of advisers who have spent years trying to destroy the Labour party. They are now very close to their lifelong aim - helped by a membership that is too wrapped up in its comfort blanket to confront reality.SeanT said:
He's wrong tho. My friends who went to the rally really do believe Corbyn is great, and pure, and decent, and the best man to lead Labour. They don't want to destroy the party, they just don't particularly care about winning elections, or if they do, they believe being "decent" is more important anyway and maybe somehow Jeremy's "decency" will win voters over, fingers crossed.RodCrosby said:Blair’s former communications chief, Alastair Campbell has called on Corbyn to resign. He said people at the Momentum rally yesterday were “dedicated to destroying Labour not saving it”.
It's poignant.
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Corbyn position farcical, even IDS went once he lost a confidence vote amongst MPs despite, like Corbyn, having won a majority of the party membership. The only hope now for Labour is Corbyn does a deal to accept McDonnell as his replacement who, like Michael Howard, is then elected unopposed0
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He wants to keep his job in the European Parliament after all...Scott_P said:WTAF?
@mrianleslie: In this interview Daniel Hannan says the Leave campaign was NOT about disassociating the UK from the EU https://t.co/6FW9agTL2d0 -
How on earth did Jane Chapman actually manage to divorce Jeremy? Maybe the PLP should ask her for some tips.0
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Now Kezia puts the boot in0
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That cannot be the literal quote!?Scott_P said:WTAF?
@mrianleslie: In this interview Daniel Hannan says the Leave campaign was NOT about disassociating the UK from the EU https://t.co/6FW9agTL2d0 -
Hence me starting the post *a few years ago* to emphasise my point.SeanT said:
That's a story from 2008?PlatoSaid said:Golly - Jack Straw who a few years ago said he wanted the English to disappear is now touting the issues of WWC voters who feel ignored.
He's no traction with me.
BBC "Mr Straw will describe the English as "potentially very aggressive, very violent" and will "increasingly articulate their Englishness following devolution."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3283642/Sharia-law-subservient-to-English-courts-says-Jack-Straw.html
"The Justice Secretary told an Islamic conference that no court would ever endorse a sharia ruling that conflicted with English law and that the arguments against introducing a separate Islamic legal system were "overwhelming".0 -
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The Labour party is clearly not as well practiced or as efficient as the Conservative party at assassinating their leader.
Labour deficient in competence again.0 -
This is like a Tory spending planJobabob said:As if things couldn't get any more chaotic........
Charlie Falconer has resigned.
Reannounced at least 3 times0 -
@bbclaurak: Breaking - Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, says 'if I had lost support of 80pc of my MSPs I could not do my job'
@bbclaurak: By implication Dugdale calling on Corbyn to go0 -
Maybe he wasn't when he went, but what he saw whilst there informed his view?Richard_Tyndall said:
How the hell can you be a conscientious objector and go to Sandhurst???Sandpit said:
LOL -* goes to research Baron a little more*TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd rather have Mark Reckless be Dave's successor.Sandpit said:
Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?
Edit: Sandhurst, Rothschild, Parliament. Conscientious objector to military action, eurosceptic.... what's not to like?0 -
It's literally just Jobabob reannouncing it every ten minutes.bigjohnowls said:
This is like a Tory spending planJobabob said:As if things couldn't get any more chaotic........
Charlie Falconer has resigned.
Reannounced at least 3 times0 -
Yep - I think we can all see the working class flocking to support Corbyn Labour's pro open door immigration, pro-IRA, pro-Hamas platform. When you are living in a dump and not earning enough to warm your house in winter solidarity with the Palestinians is what keeps you going.bigjohnowls said:
Progress Labour buggers off and at least 15 years of Tory Governments ensues as left vote is split between Labour and progress Labour until progress Labour gives it up as a bad jobtaffys said:Mr. JS, Corbyn can survive. Not sure about Labour, though.
Mr Morris If Corbyn goes back to the membership, and they confirm him, what on earth happens then?
Looking on the bright side at least we get to find out who was most out of touch with WWC,
I think Progress Lab are in for a shock but we will see.
Maybe the Members will back down
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We have seen echoes of this way of thinking elsewhere though. People arguing that Leavers would be tainted by association with respect to Nigel Farage. The idea that your cause must be morally pure and purged of all undesirables and so on. Virtue over common sense. It's a worrying trend and I hope it remains confined to the Labour party. I'm not optimistic.SouthamObserver said:
It's unbelievably stupid. rather like Jeremy Corbyn. Whispering into his ear are a large number of advisers who have spent years trying to destroy the Labour party. They are now very close to their lifelong aim - helped by a membership that is too wrapped up in its comfort blanket to confront reality.SeanT said:
He's wrong tho. My friends who went to the rally really do believe Corbyn is great, and pure, and decent, and the best man to lead Labour. They don't want to destroy the party, they just don't particularly care about winning elections, or if they do, they believe being "decent" is more important anyway and maybe somehow Jeremy's "decency" will win voters over, fingers crossed.RodCrosby said:Blair’s former communications chief, Alastair Campbell has called on Corbyn to resign. He said people at the Momentum rally yesterday were “dedicated to destroying Labour not saving it”.
It's poignant.0 -
Oh, I was delighted for Mr Brown, to have achieved his ambition at long last. A smile of such pure happiness on his face. Sadly, it turned out to be a case of Be-careful-what-you-wish-for.PlatoSaid said:
A GE in the Spring seems fair to me. I well recall how miffed I was about Gordon. I voted very reluctantly for Tony in 2005 - I'd never have chosen Gordon.AnneJGP said:
I'm agnostic about it in a general sense, but with all the uncertainty atm, it really doesn't seem wise in this case. Particularly if some party decides to campaign on an intention to over-turn the referendum result.PlatoSaid said:
I can totally appreciate Labour members being very irked - over turning their mandate is undemocratic according to their own rules.John_M said:
If Corbyn still has the support of the membership, he's essentially politically immortal. They should rename him God-King of the Opposition.felix said:I'm waiting for Corbyn to be supported by TP & Plato on the grounds that he supported Leave really. One of them has been busy hacking away today at the traitorous Ruth Davidson - you know the one who saved the Scottish Tories a few weeks ago. The Brexiters take no prisoners
Either you believe in it - or you don't.
Personally, I think a GE is appropriate shortly after a new PM is appointed. I thought Gordon was wrong taking over from Tony, and the same applies to Cameron.
I can't have one rule for my preferred side because it suits me.
I wasn't bothered about not having a GE, as far as I can recall. Maybe politics is more of a spectator sport, so to speak, for me.0 -
I think you will find that a higher percentage voted for all of Brown's less than brilliant budgets for a start.Scott_P said:@Labourpaul: Has 81% of the PLP ever voted for anything? The PLP has never known such unity since 1906.
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SurveyMonkey had Remain winning EUrefJackW said:National - Survey Monkey/NBC - Sample 6,556
Clinton 49 .. Trump 41
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-democratic-wave-isn-t-coming-least-not-yet-n600201
PPP has Clinton ahead by just 2 in Iowa today and 4 in Pennsylvania and Ohio0 -
ConHome numbers - I can only see a chance for the first 5. The REMAINer vote is 44%. LEAVEr vote is 56%. If a LEAVEr gets on ballot then they win IMHO.rottenborough said:Just in case PBers haven't noticed this, Guido has a spreadsheet on nominations for Boris and Co.
Boris: 25 Crabb: 16 May: 8
Looks like Crabb wanted to be up and running quickly.
Theresa May: 29 per cent.
Boris Johnson: 28 per cent.
Andrea Leadsom: 13 per cent.
Liam Fox: 13 per cent.
Stephen Crabb: 9 per cent.
Sajid Javid: 2 per cent. Dominic Raab: 2 per cent. George Osborne: 2 per cent. Nicky Morgan: 1 per cent. Jeremy Hunt: 1 per cent. Amber Rudd: 0 per cent.
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I love that second tweet, just in case readers hadn't figured it out.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Breaking - Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, says 'if I had lost support of 80pc of my MSPs I could not do my job'
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Tim Shipman
Genuine shock from one former Labour frontbencher: "How did he get 40 votes?"0 -
I think the BBC are less confident about what the great British public understand since Brexit. They thought that they had been sufficiently clear.Wanderer said:
I love that second tweet, just in case readers hadn't figured it out.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Breaking - Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, says 'if I had lost support of 80pc of my MSPs I could not do my job'
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Clearly he can't do his job. That's why they want rid.Wanderer said:
I love that second tweet, just in case readers hadn't figured it out.Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Breaking - Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, says 'if I had lost support of 80pc of my MSPs I could not do my job'
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Last week Boris promised to give the NHS an extra £350 million a week. On Monday he promised the UK would continue to be a part of the Single Market. Things change.PlatoSaid said:
Hence me starting the post *a few years ago* to emphasise my point.SeanT said:
That's a story from 2008?PlatoSaid said:Golly - Jack Straw who a few years ago said he wanted the English to disappear is now touting the issues of WWC voters who feel ignored.
He's no traction with me.
BBC "Mr Straw will describe the English as "potentially very aggressive, very violent" and will "increasingly articulate their Englishness following devolution."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3283642/Sharia-law-subservient-to-English-courts-says-Jack-Straw.html
"The Justice Secretary told an Islamic conference that no court would ever endorse a sharia ruling that conflicted with English law and that the arguments against introducing a separate Islamic legal system were "overwhelming".
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That looks like a win for Boris to me.TCPoliticalBetting said:
ConHome numbers - I can only see a chance for the first 5. The REMAINer vote is 44%. LEAVEr vote is 56%. If a LEAVEr gets on ballot then they win IMHO.rottenborough said:Just in case PBers haven't noticed this, Guido has a spreadsheet on nominations for Boris and Co.
Boris: 25 Crabb: 16 May: 8
Looks like Crabb wanted to be up and running quickly.
Theresa May: 29 per cent.
Boris Johnson: 28 per cent.
Andrea Leadsom: 13 per cent.
Liam Fox: 13 per cent.
Stephen Crabb: 9 per cent.
Sajid Javid: 2 per cent. Dominic Raab: 2 per cent. George Osborne: 2 per cent. Nicky Morgan: 1 per cent. Jeremy Hunt: 1 per cent. Amber Rudd: 0 per cent.0 -
Wanderer
Plus ca change. Kezia can't do her job now.0 -
He resigned from IDS's cabinet over the Iraq vote and led Tory opposition to the Syria vote, standing with Miliband.Richard_Tyndall said:
How the hell can you be a conscientious objector and go to Sandhurst???Sandpit said:
LOL -* goes to research Baron a little more*TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd rather have Mark Reckless be Dave's successor.Sandpit said:
Not a fan I take it?TheScreamingEagles said:John fucking Baron
Ferfuxsake
Fucking John Baron
From David Cameron to John Baron.
Fucking hell, what the fuck have I done to deserve that?
Edit: Sandhurst, Rothschild, Parliament. Conscientious objector to military action, eurosceptic.... what's not to like?
Did he not learn anything at Sandhurst, or did he get scared by what the big boys do with their toys?
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I'd vote for May over Boris. Campaign in poetry, govern in prose.Pulpstar said:
That looks like a win for Boris to me.TCPoliticalBetting said:
ConHome numbers - I can only see a chance for the first 5. The REMAINer vote is 44%. LEAVEr vote is 56%. If a LEAVEr gets on ballot then they win IMHO.rottenborough said:Just in case PBers haven't noticed this, Guido has a spreadsheet on nominations for Boris and Co.
Boris: 25 Crabb: 16 May: 8
Looks like Crabb wanted to be up and running quickly.
Theresa May: 29 per cent.
Boris Johnson: 28 per cent.
Andrea Leadsom: 13 per cent.
Liam Fox: 13 per cent.
Stephen Crabb: 9 per cent.
Sajid Javid: 2 per cent. Dominic Raab: 2 per cent. George Osborne: 2 per cent. Nicky Morgan: 1 per cent. Jeremy Hunt: 1 per cent. Amber Rudd: 0 per cent.0 -
Depends, before the referendum May was arguably more Eurosceptic than Boris and she played no visible part in the Remain campaign.TCPoliticalBetting said:
ConHome numbers - I can only see a chance for the first 5. The REMAINer vote is 44%. LEAVEr vote is 56%. If a LEAVEr gets on ballot then they win IMHO.rottenborough said:Just in case PBers haven't noticed this, Guido has a spreadsheet on nominations for Boris and Co.
Boris: 25 Crabb: 16 May: 8
Looks like Crabb wanted to be up and running quickly.
Theresa May: 29 per cent.
Boris Johnson: 28 per cent.
Andrea Leadsom: 13 per cent.
Liam Fox: 13 per cent.
Stephen Crabb: 9 per cent.
Sajid Javid: 2 per cent. Dominic Raab: 2 per cent. George Osborne: 2 per cent. Nicky Morgan: 1 per cent. Jeremy Hunt: 1 per cent. Amber Rudd: 0 per cent.0 -
Good News.
Pressure has eased on UK financial markets after two days of turmoil in the wake of the Brexit vote, with the FTSE 100 share index closing higher.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630
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Tory MP Jacob Rees Mogg has come out against membership of the single market and free movement0
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Diane had more than one ballot paper?PlatoSaid said:Tim Shipman
Genuine shock from one former Labour frontbencher: "How did he get 40 votes?"0 -
I don't believe so. I think it said the "Leader in the House" of the party with the most opposition seats. Now, for me, that means (1) it is Labour Party or a split off with more than half of the seats and (2) *if* Watson is the "Leader in the House" of the Labour Party then the Speaker will call him.DavidL said:
According to the legislation which was quoted earlier he will call the leader of the largest opposition group in that House of Parliament. That is not necessarily the same as the leader of the Labour Party. If the Speaker were convinced that Watson had the majority support of the PLP he would have to call him. The Speaker's decision is final.David_Evershed said:
The Speaker would not call Watson. He would call Corbyn.DavidL said:So are the PLP going to put up Watson for PMQs tomorrow? That surely would be a humiliation too far.
The "Leader in the House" does not have to be the same as the "Leader of the Party". But it does turn on whether the PLP has the right under Labour's constitution which, for some strange reason, I have never got round to reading, to appoint it own leader or not0 -
He's saying we need to repatriate powers but can't ignore the 48%.kle4 said:
That cannot be the literal quote!?Scott_P said:WTAF?
@mrianleslie: In this interview Daniel Hannan says the Leave campaign was NOT about disassociating the UK from the EU https://t.co/6FW9agTL2d
Amanpour: I thought this referendum was about disassociating from the EU.
Hannan: I get that you thought that. You were evidently not listening.
Amanpour: So it wasn't?
Hannan: Correct.0 -
Thanks. I shall keep it to my usual brevity:HurstLlama said:Good to see you posting again, Mr. J.. I wish you a speedy recovery and a growing proportion of good days.
Aside from all else we need you on here - there was a brief discussion earlier re HS2 and the consensus seemed to be to scrap it. There was nobody to put the alternative view. Likewise nuclear power - Max suggested molten salts would be viable within the decade and was not challenged.
Get well soon, old boy, and God bless.
HS2: it all depends on Euston. It needs doing right, yet just that small area could easily sink billions. I still have not seen anything disproving the need for capacity enhancement, and the utter failure of the WCML upgrade ten years ago shows that capacity is hard to increase on working railways.
Hinckley Point: I'm veering towards scrapping it. We're potentially facing an energy crunch (sorry RCS) much sooner, and it's a distraction. (I recently read something about energy storage, and the fact that it's becoming even less worthwhile from a financial viewpoint. I'll try to dig it out. Fission's increasingly looking like yesterday's technology. But we need something ASAP ...
Molten salts: viable within the decade? If it is meant 'viable' as in working GW-scale plants, there is no chance.
I really favour research into aneutronic fusion (particularly boron fusion), which is hard to do but has very few of the disadvantages of fission or fusion. But it's *very* difficult wrt energy input.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/nuclear/three-alternative-fusion-projects-that-are-making-progress0 -
Third favourite in the next Labour leader market is currently David Miliband.0
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Well Andy Burnham is not unique. Quite peculiar but not unique in the PLP. And those that have accepted jobs from him in the last 24 hours probably feel obliged. That must be pretty close to 40 on its own.PlatoSaid said:Tim Shipman
Genuine shock from one former Labour frontbencher: "How did he get 40 votes?"0 -
And there, in a nutshell, is Labour's problem under Corbyn.SouthamObserver said:
When you are living in a dump and not earning enough to warm your house in winter solidarity with the Palestinians is what keeps you going.bigjohnowls said:
Progress Labour buggers off and at least 15 years of Tory Governments ensues as left vote is split between Labour and progress Labour until progress Labour gives it up as a bad jobtaffys said:Mr. JS, Corbyn can survive. Not sure about Labour, though.
Mr Morris If Corbyn goes back to the membership, and they confirm him, what on earth happens then?
Looking on the bright side at least we get to find out who was most out of touch with WWC,
I think Progress Lab are in for a shock but we will see.
Maybe the Members will back down0
