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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    Remain 48% Leave 52%
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,854

    Salmond quoting spread betting figures!

    Alex Salmond has often quoted PB/Mike, once famously in the House of Commons
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,782
    Leave claiming to be ahead in yorks "by a country mile" - bbc
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,650

    Salmond now talking about a 4 country lock on the result. Too late for Cameron.

    Scotland can have NI then.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,301

    @Robert/Charles and the rest of the liberal internationalists:

    Do you still think you've called this right or are any doubts emerging now it looks like it's going to happen?

    I don't see how this will have anything other than a devastating effect on London as a whole.

    I think that it will gho exactly as I hoped (if we Leave)

    Either by another GE or by Parliamentary vote we will end up in EFTA.
  • please can somone please post the link to andys spreadsheet as i have just deleted mine by mistake

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=0

    This one?
    YOU STAR

    Many thnaks
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,573

    Vote Leave source reckons they have easily won Yorkshire.

    Yorkshire was 48.21% Remain on Andy's spreadsheet.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Some London turnouts:

    Richmond 82.1%
    Sutton 76%
    Merton 73.5%
    City 73%
    Wandsworth 72%
    Islington 70.4%
    Ealing 70.1%
    Lambeth 67.4%
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,110

    Salmond quoting spread betting figures!

    Alex Salmond has often quoted PB/Mike, once famously in the House of Commons
    He could be on the other side of your trades.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,202

    Earlier this evening I was wondering if I'd made a mistake following @rcs1000's suggestion of a sell on the spreads of Remain at 54%.

    Looks like it wasn't a mistake!

    Robert's tips have been solid for weeks - en primeur tip might prove the tastiest if 2015 turns out to be a good vintage. Cheers Robert!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    Dundee 60:40 for Remain
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    How is Leave still 7/4 on Betfair? Should be crossing over already?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,020

    Dadge said:

    Cameron didn't lose it for Remain, but it was disastrous that he was the leader of the Remain campaign. Why would Labour voters vote for him? I think he, and many in the commentariat, forget how partisan a lot of Labour areas still are. Imagine if Thatcher had been leading the Remain campaign - how many Labour voters could've made themselves vote for her? How naive we are to think they would vote for Cameron!

    Cameron/Osborne kryptonite to the WWC Labour voters they needed.

    Then Cameron goes and insults his party support.
    I think Cameron would have probably been obliged if Labour In had tried a teensy bit harder. I think he was prepared to be the front man for Remain but was hoping for a slightly broader based campaign.
    Still, he's been a bloody idiot for the last six months about all this.
  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 439
    tlg86 said:

    felix said:

    tlg86 said:

    felix said:

    Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.

    Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
    Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
    I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
    Well we're going to kick out immigrants who add to the vibrancy of our economy, so people do strange things sometimes.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    It's not Brexit yet. Calm my dears, calm. Think of Sean's flat.

    Indeed, not 1 London seat yet declared
    It is said that turnout is 2/3% lower in London than might have been expected when compared with turnout in other areas.

    Another example of weak turnout in areas where REMAIN stronger?

    Also shows older people are the ones with umbrellas. :)
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    weejonnie said:

    AndyJS said:

    Am I being completely idiotic in thinking that Leave are on course to win this by 5 points or more?

    If London votes 80/20 Remain they might still win I suppose.
    (((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 13m13 minutes ago
    At the moment, we're all freaking over one result - Newcastle.
    Presumably is now going 'la la la can't hear you.'.
    Which reminds me, doesn't this mean a proper streak is on the cards?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Salmond quoting spread betting figures!

    Alex Salmond has often quoted PB/Mike, once famously in the House of Commons
    It looks like he's a punter
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372
    Salmond and Davis must be both very chuffed.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,907
    David Davis thinks LEAVE has won?
  • Dundee 60-40. Surely that is bad for remain in an SNP heartland?
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Salmond clinging to betfair

    Not if he reads PB!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited June 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    Dundee 60:40 for Remain

    I thought that was supposed to be a place where they weighed the Remain votes?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,710

    If it is a narrow leave, I think we're all aboard the good ship EEA/EFTA...

    Only sane thing to do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    Dundee votes In
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Danny565 said:

    Lindsay Lohan ‏@lindsaylohan 10m10 minutes ago
    #REMAIN Sorry, but #KETTERING where are you&why is this woman @BBCNews speaking on people rather than TELLING us what happens if UK LEAVES?

    Lindsay Lohan ‏@lindsaylohan 4m4 minutes ago
    i love the #shetlands @BBCNews thank goodness we have pure hearted people our side #besmart #ShetlandsVSSunderland #BringItOn

    That is one of the most meta things I have ever seen.

    Fabulous.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    Dundee 60:40 for Remain

    Should have been 66% for Remain I believe so another one worse than expected.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,573
    corporeal said:

    North East showing fairly strong anti-europe sentiments.

    They've always boasted about how connected their football teams are to the local communities.

    In that thread header of a couple of days ago people in the NE were said to be slightly pro-Remain IIRC.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.

    What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    Remain 49% Leave 51% now
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,270
    Dundee 60:40 remain. That is poor for Remain. Curtice estimated 33% for leave.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    North antrim!!!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,229
    PlatoSaid said:

    Leanne Wood arguing for more devolved powers for Wales in event of Brexit.

    I saw Sky three times yesterday count up how important NI, Scotland and London was vs a few big English cities - they NEVER mentioned Wales once.

    It's like it didn't exist at all. I was amazed.
    For the referendum, it doesn't really. It'll move in line with England and is close to the same split.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    David Davis "unwise" to trigger Article 50 straight away, seems every Leaver is united on that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    edited June 2016
    Dundee City, #EUref result:
    Remain: 59.8% (39,688)
    Leave: 40.2% (26,697)
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/746137134956953600
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    How will the Tory shires vote - compared to what was expected ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,762
    Gold jumps from £837 at around 11pm to £869.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,724
    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    It's not Brexit yet. Calm my dears, calm. Think of Sean's flat.

    Indeed, not 1 London seat yet declared
    There's a lot more England than there is London. Even massive remain there might not salvage it, particular if turnout is worse , and apparently excuses have already started.
  • John_N4John_N4 Posts: 553

    @TSE

    "My boss has just texted me a 40% fall in Sterling in the morning at this rate."

    Your boss is probably tired and emotional

    OR

    If he is sending you text messages at one in the morning he has no idea about leadership

    Everything runs on Colombian marching powder in the City.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    TGOHF said:

    Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.

    BBC

    Southampton, Sheffield, Leicester, and Nottingham are my bellwethers.

    They all go Leave, Leave have a clear win.
    I have heard a rumour (second hand, so no idea of its accuracy) that Sheffield may be towards 70% leave. Sounds very high to me.
    You are just trolling TSE. :-)
    Someone else has texted me that South Yorkshire might have gone Leave.

    Did not see that coming.
    Do you know if your side are doing the responsible thing, now, and preparing a statement for Cameron to deliver in the morning to reassure the markets and EU on this?

    Not a jibe. Genuinely hoping we pull together a quick stabilisation plan now.
    Usually the markets are difficult to control in these situations - I'd expect sterling down to between 1 and 1.10 to the euro at best. It could be much worse. I aso think it will probably be sustained with a knock on effect to inflation and unemployment.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    Lagan Valley Leave!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    I wonder if that story about boozed up Boris telling a punter Remain had won before he went to vote was true?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016

    Leave claiming to be ahead in yorks "by a country mile" - bbc

    The assumed gap between London and everywhere else in England and Wales is depressing IMO.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    DearPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    felix said:

    tlg86 said:

    felix said:

    Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.

    Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
    Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
    I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
    Well we're going to kick out immigrants who add to the vibrancy of our economy, so people do strange things sometimes.
    Wut? Who's kicking out people?

    Honestly, I do believe that people on both sides have just been making shit up out of thin air. We're British, goddamit, we do not deport people willy nilly c.f. Abu fecking Hamza.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,202
    rcs1000 said:

    Dundee 60:40 for Remain

    Turnout?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,415
    on BBC amazing coverage of drunk students :p
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    There is sometimes a difference between the market speculators and the rest of the economy
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Whoever wrote the heading for this post has moved the currency markets again.

    Smithson or TSE?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    rcs1000 said:

    Lagan Valley Leave!

    That's actually not a great Leave result. It's massive unionist, so a narrow Leave victory is only so-so.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    DavidL said:

    Dundee 60:40 remain. That is poor for Remain. Curtice estimated 33% for leave.

    A lot better for LEAVE
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Awkward squad on BBC.
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    Of course Salmond is chipper. This looks like his wet dream come true.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited June 2016

    corporeal said:

    North East showing fairly strong anti-europe sentiments.

    They've always boasted about how connected their football teams are to the local communities.

    In that thread header of a couple of days ago people in the NE were said to be slightly pro-Remain IIRC.
    Don't bring your facts into me poking fun at those poor benighted souls unfortunate enough to have been born in the north east.
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Why are they interviewing slightly drunk twenty somethings in a pub?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,762

    I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.

    What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
    The ATMs were filled by all accounts.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,335
    tyson said:

    Salmond quoting spread betting figures!

    Alex Salmond has often quoted PB/Mike, once famously in the House of Commons
    It looks like he's a punter
    Tyson, he is, I think he has written horse racing columns in the past
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    North Antrim

    Remain - 18,782
    Leave - 30,938
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    Scottish councils declaring and... making no difference cos of low turnout.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,244
    Awful BBC coverage so far.
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    Whatever the final result, what is going wrong with polling surveys in this country .

  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    Looking like the anecdotes have been the best guide
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    It's not Brexit yet. Calm my dears, calm. Think of Sean's flat.

    Indeed, not 1 London seat yet declared
    There's a lot more England than there is London. Even massive remain there might not salvage it, particular if turnout is worse , and apparently excuses have already started.
    We will see but some more big cities like Manchester and Liverpool not yet declared and some Remain leaning more prosperous Tory areas in the Home Counties
  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Sutton leaning leave by quite a margin in wards where historically there was low turnout!!
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    HYUFD said:

    Dundee City, #EUref result:
    Remain: 59.8% (39,688)
    Leave: 40.2% (26,697)
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/746137134956953600

    That's pretty good for leave better than 60:40 in an SNP heartland.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    BBC News just interviewed a guy who was clearly off his bulb on Charlie.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dundee 60:40 for Remain

    Turnout?
    63%
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,773
    Lagan Valley - Leave 53.1
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040

    I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.

    What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.

    And the bankers win again.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.

    What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
    As the saying goes Osborne should not be starting here.

    Osborne should have been more circumspect and not trashed our prospects if we vote Leave, he has about as much credibility now as Gerald Ratner.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,202
    surbiton said:

    How will the Tory shires vote - compared to what was expected ?

    Broxbourne were slightly better for Leave than expected for par.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Awful interview on beeb with 18 year olds in pub in Worcester.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    edited June 2016
    Turnout 77% in Dover.

    That'll be a few for Leave....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873

    Awful BBC coverage so far.

    Not again....they were crap 2010....crap 2015.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,110

    @Robert/Charles and the rest of the liberal internationalists:

    Do you still think you've called this right or are any doubts emerging now it looks like it's going to happen?

    I don't see how this will have anything other than a devastating effect on London as a whole.

    I think that it will gho exactly as I hoped (if we Leave)

    Either by another GE or by Parliamentary vote we will end up in EFTA.
    At what political cost?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    A group of pissed up Scots making no sense on the BEEB
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579
    Can we have an interest rate rise please? :D
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,478
    If - as looks likely - it is a leave vote, we're in for some fairly unprecedented times.

    I'm particularly interested in the effect it has on the EU itself. Will anyone else try to follow?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,927
    Lagan Valley in NI vote for LEAVE!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    Scotland Remain 60% Leave 39%
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707
    We need to see some English metropolitan results.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    North East Leave 57% Remain 43%
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    timmo said:

    Sutton leaning leave by quite a margin in wards where historically there was low turnout!!

    The LONDON BOROUGH of Sutton??
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,573
    AndyJS said:

    North Antrim

    Remain - 18,782
    Leave - 30,938

    That looks good for Leave to me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    Richmond turnout 81% apparently
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    tyson said:

    A group of pissed up Scots making no sense on the BEEB

    Scots? I thought they were just pissed.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Errrr no. It fell from the DM2.7780 floor to under DM2.40 which was a 15% fall. Fall tonight so far 2%.

    Ed Conway should hang his head in shame coming out with something as factually inaccurate as that!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    Leave now controls the economy. Cameron and Osborne clearly have to go.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,724
    surbiton said:

    How will the Tory shires vote - compared to what was expected ?

    much more leave than expected. High 50s and 60s at least.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,573
    timmo said:

    Sutton leaning leave by quite a margin in wards where historically there was low turnout!!

    The St Helier council estate.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    rcs1000 said:

    Lagan Valley Leave!

    A Leave vote anywhere in NI is very, very bad for Remain.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    DavidL said:

    Dundee 60:40 remain. That is poor for Remain. Curtice estimated 33% for leave.

    I'm not surprised.
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    John_M said:

    DearPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    felix said:

    tlg86 said:

    felix said:

    Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.

    Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
    Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
    I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
    Well we're going to kick out immigrants who add to the vibrancy of our economy, so people do strange things sometimes.
    Wut? Who's kicking out people?

    Honestly, I do believe that people on both sides have just been making shit up out of thin air. We're British, goddamit, we do not deport people willy nilly c.f. Abu fecking Hamza.
    Except that's exactly the kind of scenario many Leave voters will have fondly imagined at some point during this campaign, knowingly whipped up by Gove, Farage et al.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    tyson said:

    A group of pissed up Scots making no sense on the BEEB

    Having to cut away from the studio so the presenters can nip off for a quick blart.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,270

    Awful BBC coverage so far.

    Ive gone back to Sky again. Until Kay comes back on....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,724
    AndyJS said:

    North Antrim

    Remain - 18,782
    Leave - 30,938

    How soon can leave call it?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,372
    Polling disaster.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579
    Mortimer said:

    surbiton said:

    How will the Tory shires vote - compared to what was expected ?

    Broxbourne were slightly better for Leave than expected for par.
    Not the most prosperous of shires to be fair. I'm genuinely looking forward to Woking.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,707

    AndyJS said:

    North Antrim

    Remain - 18,782
    Leave - 30,938

    That looks good for Leave to me.
    Yes, it is. I would have expected Lagan to be more Leave than North Antrim.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,356
    Lambeth 67% turnout, up on last May
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited June 2016
    hunchman said:

    Errrr no. It fell from the DM2.7780 floor to under DM2.40 which was a 15% fall. Fall tonight so far 2%.

    Ed Conway should hang his head in shame coming out with something as factually inaccurate as that!
    Conway is f##king useless...
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