Cameron didn't lose it for Remain, but it was disastrous that he was the leader of the Remain campaign. Why would Labour voters vote for him? I think he, and many in the commentariat, forget how partisan a lot of Labour areas still are. Imagine if Thatcher had been leading the Remain campaign - how many Labour voters could've made themselves vote for her? How naive we are to think they would vote for Cameron!
Cameron/Osborne kryptonite to the WWC Labour voters they needed.
Then Cameron goes and insults his party support.
I think Cameron would have probably been obliged if Labour In had tried a teensy bit harder. I think he was prepared to be the front man for Remain but was hoping for a slightly broader based campaign. Still, he's been a bloody idiot for the last six months about all this.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
Well we're going to kick out immigrants who add to the vibrancy of our economy, so people do strange things sometimes.
Lindsay Lohan @lindsaylohan 10m10 minutes ago #REMAIN Sorry, but #KETTERING where are you&why is this woman @BBCNews speaking on people rather than TELLING us what happens if UK LEAVES?
Lindsay Lohan @lindsaylohan 4m4 minutes ago i love the #shetlands @BBCNews thank goodness we have pure hearted people our side #besmart #ShetlandsVSSunderland #BringItOn
That is one of the most meta things I have ever seen.
I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.
What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
It's not Brexit yet. Calm my dears, calm. Think of Sean's flat.
Indeed, not 1 London seat yet declared
There's a lot more England than there is London. Even massive remain there might not salvage it, particular if turnout is worse , and apparently excuses have already started.
Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.
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Southampton, Sheffield, Leicester, and Nottingham are my bellwethers.
They all go Leave, Leave have a clear win.
I have heard a rumour (second hand, so no idea of its accuracy) that Sheffield may be towards 70% leave. Sounds very high to me.
You are just trolling TSE. :-)
Someone else has texted me that South Yorkshire might have gone Leave.
Did not see that coming.
Do you know if your side are doing the responsible thing, now, and preparing a statement for Cameron to deliver in the morning to reassure the markets and EU on this?
Not a jibe. Genuinely hoping we pull together a quick stabilisation plan now.
Usually the markets are difficult to control in these situations - I'd expect sterling down to between 1 and 1.10 to the euro at best. It could be much worse. I aso think it will probably be sustained with a knock on effect to inflation and unemployment.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
Well we're going to kick out immigrants who add to the vibrancy of our economy, so people do strange things sometimes.
Wut? Who's kicking out people?
Honestly, I do believe that people on both sides have just been making shit up out of thin air. We're British, goddamit, we do not deport people willy nilly c.f. Abu fecking Hamza.
I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.
What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
It's not Brexit yet. Calm my dears, calm. Think of Sean's flat.
Indeed, not 1 London seat yet declared
There's a lot more England than there is London. Even massive remain there might not salvage it, particular if turnout is worse , and apparently excuses have already started.
We will see but some more big cities like Manchester and Liverpool not yet declared and some Remain leaning more prosperous Tory areas in the Home Counties
I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.
What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.
What do you suggest they do? I'm not trolling, I genuinely don't know how the government can possibly protect the UK economy from this, other than the BoE providing unlimited liquidity to banks.
As the saying goes Osborne should not be starting here.
Osborne should have been more circumspect and not trashed our prospects if we vote Leave, he has about as much credibility now as Gerald Ratner.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
Well we're going to kick out immigrants who add to the vibrancy of our economy, so people do strange things sometimes.
Wut? Who's kicking out people?
Honestly, I do believe that people on both sides have just been making shit up out of thin air. We're British, goddamit, we do not deport people willy nilly c.f. Abu fecking Hamza.
Except that's exactly the kind of scenario many Leave voters will have fondly imagined at some point during this campaign, knowingly whipped up by Gove, Farage et al.
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Either by another GE or by Parliamentary vote we will end up in EFTA.
Many thnaks
Richmond 82.1%
Sutton 76%
Merton 73.5%
City 73%
Wandsworth 72%
Islington 70.4%
Ealing 70.1%
Lambeth 67.4%
Still, he's been a bloody idiot for the last six months about all this.
Another example of weak turnout in areas where REMAIN stronger?
Also shows older people are the ones with umbrellas.
Fabulous.
Remain: 59.8% (39,688)
Leave: 40.2% (26,697)
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/746137134956953600
Honestly, I do believe that people on both sides have just been making shit up out of thin air. We're British, goddamit, we do not deport people willy nilly c.f. Abu fecking Hamza.
Smithson or TSE?
Remain - 18,782
Leave - 30,938
Osborne should have been more circumspect and not trashed our prospects if we vote Leave, he has about as much credibility now as Gerald Ratner.
That'll be a few for Leave....
I'm particularly interested in the effect it has on the EU itself. Will anyone else try to follow?
Ed Conway should hang his head in shame coming out with something as factually inaccurate as that!