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  • Wanderer
    Wanderer Posts: 3,838
    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    And so it begins, it'll become a stampede

    https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952

    Cripes, I've got 50 quid on trump I intended to trade out after the convention bounce but I might take my break even point now an be done with it.
    I'm thinking about doing exactly that.

    Serves me right as I raised my eyebrows at Robert a couple of weeks ago for trading out at 3.4 (or something like that). Would that I had seen such sense.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    tlg86 said:

    Posho in the audience wanting to keep wages down.

    Quite. These arguments from the "Remain" audience members would be the best motivator for traditional Labour voters to go "Leave".

    That said, Farage is coming across terribly ("just calm down a little there").
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?

    how about pharmaceutical bankers like me?
    Was what the guy said true?
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    edited June 2016
    Oh dear. Audience argument quality disappears.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    This is why Vote Leave didn't want Farage making the case.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Glad to hear some members of the audience telling this woman to pipe down.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?

    how about pharmaceutical bankers like me?
    Was what the guy said true?
    What did he say? I'm killing time on here waiting for a call from California.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
  • BenedictWhite
    BenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?

    I believe one of the big bangs Remain will deploy in the next 15 days, will be the NHS staff, and the medical industry will be coming out for Remain, very heavily.
    We'll see what happens with that.

    I get the impression that Cameron has let loose the dogs of war and was expecting to see the Leavers vanquished already. They're not. I wonder how much he has left. We know he has Legarde, and must have others but how much?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PaulBrandITV: So there you have it. Farage says leaving the EU is "better for black people" #ITVEURef
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Mortimer said:

    Glad to hear some members of the audience telling this woman to pipe down.

    I thought she came across as an axe grinder.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    The question is, is he a PB Tory scum (truly the highest echelon of scumdom)
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    This isn't that great from Farage. Though questions from audience a bit personal - will be interesting to see if Cameron gets the same treatment
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Leave should use Farage more in the last sixteen days.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    SeanT said:

    Comes through unscathed.

    Tremendous answer - actually got the audience on his side.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    I've met @CasinoRoyale. And a thoroughly decent chap he is too.

    Thanks.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?

    how about pharmaceutical bankers like me?
    Was what the guy said true?
    What did he say? I'm killing time on here waiting for a call from California.
    Something about his job could only be done in the EU, it couldn't be done in Switzerland - and the EU medicines body is based here/would have to leave.
  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    Wanderer said:

    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    And so it begins, it'll become a stampede

    https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/740269903945469952

    Cripes, I've got 50 quid on trump I intended to trade out after the convention bounce but I might take my break even point now an be done with it.
    I'm thinking about doing exactly that.

    Serves me right as I raised my eyebrows at Robert a couple of weeks ago for trading out at 3.4 (or something like that). Would that I had seen such sense.
    I think I'm going to let it ride, it's not much cash and I still think the Convention bounce will get him into <4.0 which will give me some decent profit.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    That girl is living in 2010 - she said that Ukip got 3% of the vote.
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    I am not Anglican, but he has always seemed alright to me despite being another Old Etonian.
  • Wanderer
    Wanderer Posts: 3,838
    Not exactly a Leave cheerleader saying this:
    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/740276873234649088
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    Get a grip. Scum off the earth, really?
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    foxinsoxuk said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    I am not Anglican, but he has always seemed alright to me despite being another Old Etonian.
    I have no time for rich oil traders who signal their virtue.
  • RoyalBlue
    RoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    This was never going to be easy for Farage. Many in the audience (including the woman who presumes to speak for Black Britons) just want to attack him.

    It's clear why Cameron refused a head to head debate.
  • BenedictWhite
    BenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Danny565 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Posho in the audience wanting to keep wages down.

    Quite. These arguments from the "Remain" audience members would be the best motivator for traditional Labour voters to go "Leave".

    That said, Farage is coming across terribly ("just calm down a little there").
    Yes. Keep the wages of the workers down... That'll go down like a bucket of cold sick in Labour seats.

    That said, Farage needs to be better.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    I really worry Farage is going to lose it.

    How much do we want to bet he complaints about bias questioners when he comes off?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    saddened said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    Get a grip. Scum off the earth, really?
    I know, right! Has tlg86 ever seen a PB Tory?
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    edited June 2016
    Casino_Royale said:

    I really worry Farage is going to lose it.

    How much do we want to bet he complaints about bias questioners when he comes off?

    Chill CR, he is doing well. The odd chuckle is working.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Casino_Royale said:

    I really worry Farage is going to lose it.

    How much do we want to bet he complaints about bias questioners when he comes off?

    Worth saying that this being on ITV means the demographic might be more favourable to Farage.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Nigel's right. If we take "European Union" off our passports ISIS will leave us alone.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?

    how about pharmaceutical bankers like me?
    Was what the guy said true?
    What did he say? I'm killing time on here waiting for a call from California.
    Something about his job could only be done in the EU, it couldn't be done in Switzerland - and the EU medicines body is based here/would have to leave.
    I'd imagine that EMA (European regulatory authorities) would probably move to the EU - but most of the continent still look to NICE for the QALY analysis anyway which is arguably more important. We'd just staff up our own approval authorities though - unless we simply entered into an agreement with the EU to maintain the Mutual Recognition Proceedure (which would make a lot of sense)
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    It's a bit of a non event so far.
  • AnneJGP
    AnneJGP Posts: 3,743
    SeanT said:

    Farage playing a solid game so far. His aim must be to Not Fuck Up. Wield a straight bat. Defend the wicket. Geoff Boycott on a summer afternoon at Lords scoring one run an hour.

    As long as Mr Farage's team-mates don't find themselves obliged to get him run out!
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Nigel's right. If we take "European Union" off our passports ISIS will leave us alone.

    I'm surprised Remain haven't said that we'll all need new passports (at a cost) should we leave....
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Nigel's right. If we take "European Union" off our passports ISIS will leave us alone.

    You fool. The fact it's blue will be more than enough :D:p
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Betfair very steady but has moved one notch to Remain.

    In 1.37 (from 1.38)
    Out 3.65 (from 3.6)
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    In fairness, I don't think Nige is doing too badly at all. But I expect Call Me Dave to smash it in essay crisis mode
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Someone trying to claim commissioners are elected....chortle.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Jobabob said:

    In fairness, I don't think Nige is doing too badly at all. But I expect Call Me Dave to smash it in essay crisis mode

    Not sure he's allowed to play candy crush while answering questions...
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I really worry Farage is going to lose it.

    How much do we want to bet he complaints about bias questioners when he comes off?

    He's doing just fine. Calm down. He's assisted by a geeky middle class Londony audience who will annoy average Brits.
    He needs to find a more polite (Gove) and less aggressive (Farage) way of disagreeing with audience members.

    Less of this "as you well know", and "I'm *sorry*!" etc.

    A bit more charm.
  • BenedictWhite
    BenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Wanderer said:

    Not exactly a Leave cheerleader saying this:
    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/740276873234649088

    Just the sort of vote Leave need onside.

    If he can get that and the WWC onside (And indeed from a previous thread the Left wing Indian vote) then Leave should do well.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Is there some sort of politics programme on?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    SeanT said:

    Shut the F up, Dominic

    He was bloody annoying.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Much better on happy democratic Europe.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    edited June 2016
    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I really worry Farage is going to lose it.

    How much do we want to bet he complaints about bias questioners when he comes off?

    He's doing just fine. Calm down. He's assisted by a geeky middle class Londony audience who will annoy average Brits.
    Absolutely - entirely plays into the sweetspot for Farage to play to ITV demographic audience.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Is there some sort of politics programme on?

    If you were't being cheeky, it's the ITV Farage/Cam QA
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Presumably Dave will be given the audience's Kippers.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @montie: All of @vote_leave's anxieties about Farage getting the spotlight are being vindicated #ITVEURef
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Re: the US. LOL Trump's real price should be 6.5. Or 10.0. He is not going to win. Lots of Republicans won't vote for him to be Commander in Chief.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Farage was a bit shouty but even I found his closing statement appealing
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,727
    Farage made good points but perhaps came across as a bit over combative and a bit attack-dog. That said, the format means it's tough to get a word in edgeways.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Farage just got through that OK.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited June 2016
    I doubt that moved many votes either way - all felt like standard stuff - no big positives or negatives for Farage.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Casino_Royale said:

    SeanT said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I really worry Farage is going to lose it.

    How much do we want to bet he complaints about bias questioners when he comes off?

    He's doing just fine. Calm down. He's assisted by a geeky middle class Londony audience who will annoy average Brits.
    He needs to find a more polite (Gove) and less aggressive (Farage) way of disagreeing with audience members.

    Less of this "as you well know", and "I'm *sorry*!" etc.

    A bit more charm.
    True - about the only criticism that can be made of that performance.

    Much better than BoJo could have done because Farage is so on top of the European brief.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
  • BenedictWhite
    BenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    edited June 2016
    tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Nigel's right. If we take "European Union" off our passports ISIS will leave us alone.

    I'm surprised Remain haven't said that we'll all need new passports (at a cost) should we leave....
    I'd be happy to buy a new one!
  • Wanderer
    Wanderer Posts: 3,838
    Jobabob said:

    In fairness, I don't think Nige is doing too badly at all. But I expect Call Me Dave to smash it in essay crisis mode

    Isn't the potential in these events more negative than positive? What's needed is to not screw-up. I'm not sure that one *can* smash it.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    RobD said:

    saddened said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    Get a grip. Scum off the earth, really?
    I know, right! Has tlg86 ever seen a PB Tory?
    Okay, I was probably OTT. I'm an atheist but generally don't mind religions at the grass roots level - live and let live and all that. But Welby just winds me up.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    SeanT said:

    He did fine.

    The problem with Farage is that he goes on about migrants far too much, and he is of course an easy target for the predictable race questions.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited June 2016
    Nigel Farage definitely out of his comfort zone when dealing with an audience that is not made up of the Ukip party faithful. I thought he was very patronising towards the first two young ladies that asked him questions, and to the point of talking over them, not attractive in a politician. Also his sneering attitude towards EU opponents may work on the floor of the European Parliament, but it did not come across well in this format considering the importance of the debate.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: very senior Vote Leaver told me, extraordinarily Farage wants to lose referendum "to do in England for Ukip what the SNP did in Scotland"
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2016
    David Cameron looks more like he's in a CGI movie everytime I see him.
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    edited June 2016
    Danny565 said:

    David Cameron looks more CGI everytime I see him.

    He does look decidedly more plastic
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202
    not_on_fire said:

    Farage was a bit shouty but even I found his closing statement appealing

    So Farage was Leave's Chris Evans to the Clarkson that was Gove?
  • RoyalBlue
    RoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    fitalass said:

    Nigel Farage definitely out of his comfort zone when dealing with an audience that is not made up of the Ukip party faithful. I thought he was very patronising towards the first two young ladies that asked him questions, and to the point of talking over them, not attractive in a politician. Also his sneering attitude towards EU opponents may work on the floor of the European Parliament, but it did not come across well in this format considering the importance of the debate.

    I think lots of people watching would have found the questioners annoying.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    saddened said:

    tlg86 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    So Farage just engaging in some (Arch)Bishop bashing

    Welby is scum of the earth.
    Get a grip. Scum off the earth, really?
    I know, right! Has tlg86 ever seen a PB Tory?
    Okay, I was probably OTT. I'm an atheist but generally don't mind religions at the grass roots level - live and let live and all that. But Welby just winds me up.
    Hyperbole! Unheard of on PB.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    numbertwelve said:

    Farage made good points but perhaps came across as a bit over combative and a bit attack-dog. That said, the format means it's tough to get a word in edgeways.

    Think that's spot on.
  • not_on_fire
    not_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Wow, Cam is plastered in makeup
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Cameron bullshitting.
  • Wanderer
    Wanderer Posts: 3,838
    Tim_B said:

    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
    The anxiety, if one has money on him, is that if he is mishandling this what else will he mishandle between now and November.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    Someone mention the ERM. Was Cameron actually working in the treasury then?
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213
    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Charles said:

    tlg86 said:

    How much respect does the public have for pharmaceuticals, I wonder? More or less than bankers?

    how about pharmaceutical bankers like me?
    Was what the guy said true?
    What did he say? I'm killing time on here waiting for a call from California.
    Something about his job could only be done in the EU, it couldn't be done in Switzerland - and the EU medicines body is based here/would have to leave.
    The issue for pharma companies in Switzerland (an important sector in that country) is that drug trials have to be done in the EU for EU certification and that's the biggest cost for them. If they are certified in the EU they are valid for Switzerland. Switzerland wanted to negotiate a new bilateral , which would allow cross border certification but the EU stopped talking to Switzerland years ago.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    not_on_fire said:

    Wow, Cam is plastered in makeup

    Looking at the dodgy dye on his head he clearly is The Hair to Blair.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Audience seems much more deferential to Cameron.

    London thing?
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Wanderer said:

    Tim_B said:

    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
    The anxiety, if one has money on him, is that if he is mishandling this what else will he mishandle between now and November.
    It's an anxiety even if one doesn't have money on him!
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    Sorry Leavers but Farage has made a total clusterf of this one. "Calm down"; "Alternative medicine is good". Blindingly bad IMHO.

    20 years he's waited for this? What happened to the full throttle attack on the elite and focus on anti-politics?
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Casino_Royale said:

    Audience seems much more deferential to Cameron.

    London thing?

    Has the host called him "First Lord of the Treasury" yet?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: If that was Farage's Big Moment of his career, it felt awfully small. Veered from nervy to thin-skinned, prickly. Tho format didn't help
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    What have they done to his hair?
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Mortimer said:

    Someone mention the ERM. Was Cameron actually working in the treasury then?

    http://tinyurl.com/6fs8fdr
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    chestnut said:

    What have they done to his hair?

    He's got nothing on Trump!
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Tim_B said:

    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
    Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202
    rottenborough said:

    Sorry Leavers but Farage has made a total clusterf of this one. "Calm down"; "Alternative medicine is good". Blindingly bad IMHO.

    20 years he's waited for this? What happened to the full throttle attack on the elite and focus on anti-politics?

    I'm not watching it myself, but using the PB Leave anti-barometer I'll assume Farage was dismal and Cameron is playing a blinder.
  • Wanderer
    Wanderer Posts: 3,838
    Tim_B said:

    Wanderer said:

    Tim_B said:

    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
    The anxiety, if one has money on him, is that if he is mishandling this what else will he mishandle between now and November.
    It's an anxiety even if one doesn't have money on him!
    hehe ;)
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,727
    I get the impression that matter what the result, we are in the twilight months of Cameron's premiership.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    edited June 2016
    Question from someone with little to thank the current system for. Cameron has no real answer.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    ITV host isn't making the interventions with Cameron.

    I'm bored here = it's a broadcast from him
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    No Dave, GDP doesn't matter. GDP per capita matters.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Jobabob said:

    Tim_B said:

    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
    Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.
    It's way too soon to say that - but this doesn't help him any, that's for sure.
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    Stark_Dawning said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sorry Leavers but Farage has made a total clusterf of this one. "Calm down"; "Alternative medicine is good". Blindingly bad IMHO.

    20 years he's waited for this? What happened to the full throttle attack on the elite and focus on anti-politics?

    I'm not watching it myself, but using the PB Leave anti-barometer I'll assume Farage was dismal and Cameron is playing a blinder.
    Cameron so so. Rarely challenged like this and people seem genuinely angry in the audience.
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    When you read the commentary on a real life live event here without watching it, you can rapidly tell who is trying to be reasonably objective and who tbe partial remain shills are (although a good slew of them have gone off the site in a huff since tbe weekend)
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    Cameron is floundering on immigration.
  • Wulfrun_Phil
    Wulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    RoyalBlue said:

    fitalass said:

    Nigel Farage definitely out of his comfort zone when dealing with an audience that is not made up of the Ukip party faithful. I thought he was very patronising towards the first two young ladies that asked him questions, and to the point of talking over them, not attractive in a politician. Also his sneering attitude towards EU opponents may work on the floor of the European Parliament, but it did not come across well in this format considering the importance of the debate.

    I think lots of people watching would have found the questioners annoying.
    I did, for the same reason as I found Faisal Islam (even more) annoying. When people ask politicians a question, they really should give them a chance to put more than a few words together in response before trying to talk over the answer they get.
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    SeanT said:

    Oh god here he goes. The Duke of Westminster, President of Botswana, the Tsar of all the fucking Russias. All want REMAIN.

    ROFL :D

    If only there was still Spitting Image..
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    OT.

    For the record I am extremely sorry that Steven Whaley has decided to leave PB.

    He and I are diametrically opposed in our views of the way Europe should develop but, like a few other Europhile contributors, he has never hidden his views or tried to pretend that he was anything other than a federalist. He always argued his case politely and never resorted to insult nor tried to pretend that his view for Britain was anything other than what he strongly believed in. I think he was a great contributor to the site and hope he will one day change his mind.

    For those criticising his departure it is worth remembering that not everyone enjoys the sort of forthright arguments that many of us are happy to indulge in. It takes all sorts and Steven simply wasn't the sort of person to accept the sorts of attacks that many of us are used to and accept without comment.

    I am probably not going to change my bad behaviour and don't expect anyone else to either but I am still very sorry to see him go.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Tim_B said:

    Jobabob said:

    Tim_B said:

    Alistair said:

    Just in case people are wondering what is happening in America - Trump continues to get the worst possible options on his Trump University scam court case, keep it in the news cycle and get a swathe of Republicans who have endorsed him to openly call his statements racist.

    Just in case you are wondering why his price is drifting.

    Trump U is a complete non-issue here.

    At least it would be if Trump would stop talking about it. Criticising the judge's rulings etc is fair game, but attacking the judge personally is really really dumb. Even Newt said it's the worst mistake Trump has made.

    Trump needs to shut up about it pronto and move on to immigration, the economy etc which are winning issues - calling the judge's heritage into question is not.
    Trump is screwed whatever he does. He is finished.
    It's way too soon to say that - but this doesn't help him any, that's for sure.
    It's not too soon to say it. He cannot win. He is see widely, across the US, as being unsuitable to be president. Even among many lifelong Republicans.

  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Cameron pigeon-holing Farage - trying to project the message that "Leave = Farage".
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    That right there, ladies and gents, is the clip that is going to be on the facebook feeds of those with little to thank the current system for. Ending with DC saying 'Well obviously I don't agree'
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Don't you think he looks tired?
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