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Terrible production from Sky.
How often on BBC1 Question Time do we get audience members asking questions we can't hear?
It's a mess.0 -
Maybe somebody should ask Cameron...
"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
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Post of the day.FrancisUrquhart said:Maybe somebody should ask Cameron...
"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
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In fairness Dave's holding it together under heavy shellfire. Gove can't be relishing tomorrow looking at this.Scott_P said:
It wasn't a questionwelshowl said:Nah she got shouty and I'm confused what she's asking about tbh.
@DPJHodges: Here's the problem. We've now got audience members trying to audition for their @HuffPostUK piece.0 -
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Woman tells Cameron re NHS cuts: "It's time you and your government went"
The problem of Cameron being the front man for REMAIN.0 -
This is a very good idea.FrancisUrquhart said:In the way politicians have done Mumsnet, I think they should be "encouraged" to do PB...I am not sure they would get away with even 5% of the bollocks they get away with from the "expert" interviewers.
Robert alone could roast most politicians on almost any subject.
There was an absolutely hopeless appearance of a Tory MP on C4 news wringing his hands about BHS.0 -
Lady from Essex gets round of applause for asking about Sadiq and scaremongering campaign.0
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Best and most interesting debate of the week.FrancisUrquhart said:Maybe somebody should ask Cameron...
"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
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Mr. 56, please do be careful about people posting about large scale immigration, the process, which some may disagree with even quite vehemently, and the immigrants, the people, who some are quite content to treat as individuals, good and bad the same as individuals in any other group.Rexel56 said:
Well, excuse me, but I am undecided. Attracted by the simplicity that an independent nation represents, sovereignty granted by the people to a directly elected parliament; repelled by the anti-immigrant nastiness of many advocating Leave, however hard they try to hide that nastiness behind seemingly reasonable 'points systems' and ironic shouts of "racist" against themselves.tyson said:I really do not believe anyone who comes on this site and post, however infrequently, is remotely undecided about how they'll vote in June.
This site is no place for undecides, especially those who create a username and post.Omnium said:
Turnout will be big-ish. I've backed the BF 65-70 band, which is GE territory.Danny565 said:I'm still undecided about what turnout is going to be like.
ANECDOTE ALERT, but in my (reasonably politically-interested) circle, there's quite a lot of awareness now that the Referendum is happening, and a belief that it's a really important decision, but equally a lot of total bafflement about what a lot of the statistics and arguments mean, and how it's seemingly impossible to work out who to believe.
The truth of the matter, I think, is that there is very little to choose between Remain and Leave in terms of actual impact within the timeframe we can foresee. If the EU goes wrong then leaving will have been the smart thing, but on the other hand if we as a nation repeat the last 100 years of 'wise decisions' then Brexit will be bad.
The principal worrying thing about this referendum is that not a single politician (so far as I can tell) has managed to avoid spouting nonsense. They're all trying to polarise the question whereas in fact this is a grey issue.
(My vote is currently undecided)
There are some on here who seem to deliberately confuse the two so that they can paint those who oppose the former as nasty people because they hate the latter when in fact such is not the case.
Wanting to be able to manage migration so that we attract the skilled and those who will be a positive benefit to the UK, regardless of where in the world they come from, whilst not accepting those who will be a drain on our society, has nothing to do with being nasty or being anti-immigrant.0 -
No wonder his personal ratings have gone through the floor in the polls.TCPoliticalBetting said:Woman tells Cameron re NHS cuts: "It's time you and your government went"
The problem of Cameron being the front man for REMAIN.
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Yup. Shots of the audience mostly looking non plussed.TCPoliticalBetting said:Woman tells Cameron re NHS cuts: "It's time you and your government went"
The problem of Cameron being the front man for REMAIN.0 -
Is it just me, or has Cameron been consulting the "Tony Blair Mannerisms and Verbal Tics" handbook?0
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The unsealed Trump University documents and pretty damaging stuff. No wonder Trump has been doing 11 minutes segments about how biased the judge is.0
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Not watching, but what has London Mayoral election and (not) cuts to NHS got to do with EU referendum?0
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The irony, of course, is that Zac wants us to Leave so the PM couldn't be seen with a Tory Mayor of London.0
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Now a question about Boris....0
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Boris's credentials for PM? I'm struggling to see it's relevance.0
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Q: "Would Boris be a good PM?"
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Cameron is very polished here, but I just don't think he cuts through anymore.PlatoSaid said:
Yup. Shots of the audience mostly looking non plussed.TCPoliticalBetting said:Woman tells Cameron re NHS cuts: "It's time you and your government went"
The problem of Cameron being the front man for REMAIN.0 -
The lock is utterly meaninglessCasino_Royale said:
Didn't stop the European Arrest Warrant or various other justice opt-ins.tlg86 said:This is all a bit silly, but surely a majority Labour Government could repeal the referendum lock should they wish to?
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This feels like a GE election Q&A not an EU one0
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Happy for the employers to decide. I am a free marketeer.Mortimer said:
Because you prefer British jobs for European people?TOPPING said:
Huge fan of helping the British poor. Employment is at a 45 year high, unemployment around a 30 year low.Mortimer said:
Not a fan of helping the British poor, no?TOPPING said:
An argument against in work benefits more than an argument against immigration.Mortimer said:
DC was asked how many EU immigrants claim in work benefits. He seemed to respond 40%. Which sounds about right (well, it sounds effing awful - but chimes true).RobD said:
I'm not actually watching the debate at the moment, to what does 40% refer?tlg86 said:
I'm confused. Is he arguing it's that high and therefore the changes he got in the deal will have some affect on the numbers? If it's that high it suggests to me that the immigrants are actually here for the benefits which runs counter to the general perception.Mortimer said:OVER 40%. Blimey.
If you are talking about British jobs for British people I'm not necessarily a fan.0 -
Do you regret the personal damage your scaremongering campaign has done to you?
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You're not answering the question...
You don't need a trade deal to trade...
Now Cameron claiming BMW won't sell to us and would lobby Merkel to make it harder to sell to us. Did I hear this right?0 -
Not commenting on Trump university, but there is a number of these "hard sell" educational companies, that always start with come to a free seminar on property investing or investing in the stock market...and of course they then do the hard sell to the paid course...and then the paid course is only the introduction and they hard sell you the next level...ala Scientology.Alistair said:The unsealed Trump University documents and pretty damaging stuff. No wonder Trump has been doing 11 minutes segments about how biased the judge is.
However, they often tread a very careful line which makes them legal, albeit they have to make pay out from time to time to disgruntled customers. It often comes down to the fact you do get some sort of training / education, however expensive / overpriced it might be.
They operate here too (unfortunately). Not going to name any names for legal reasons.0 -
Finally, someone accepts the reality.OllyT said:
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.Mortimer said:Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
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The Lib Dems did in their 2007 leadership election. We unanimously declared Chris Huhne the winner if memory serves me correctly.FrancisUrquhart said:In the way politicians have done Mumsnet, I think they should be "encouraged" to do PB...I am not sure they would get away with even 5% of the bollocks they get away with from the "expert" interviewers.
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We can't sell any beef and lamb to USA - best point so far by PM.
Many people will be surprised by that.0 -
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.0
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Well Germany did it to France three times in 70 years, granted we sat the first one out.tlg86 said:This is getting me angry. Countries that used to fight each other? No, one country has had a habit of marching into its neighbours and we had to come to the rescue.
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Watched a bit on my phone. Cameron remains the best in the business at this. For all the moaning on here he remains Remains biggest asset.0
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Clearly PB was a good judge of character....wisdom of crowds and all that.FrankBooth said:
The Lib Dems did in their 2007 leadership election. We unanimously declared Chris Huhne the winner if memory serves me correctly.FrancisUrquhart said:In the way politicians have done Mumsnet, I think they should be "encouraged" to do PB...I am not sure they would get away with even 5% of the bollocks they get away with from the "expert" interviewers.
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OK - what percentage of tariffs that we charge on goods outside the EU do we keep? Is it:OllyT said:
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.Mortimer said:Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
a) 10%
b) 25%
c) 50%
d) 100%
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"Jamie Vardy and Harry Kane are fundamentally not wingers. But they've spent most of the game extremely wide left and right respectively. "
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Yet no beef or lamb sales to the US.PlatoSaid said:Do you regret the personal damage your scaremongering campaign has done to you?
Ouch
You're not answering the question...
You don't need a trade deal to trade...
Now Cameron claiming BMW won't sell to us and would lobby Merkel to make it harder to sell to us. Did I hear this right?
Did we challenge them through the US courts? Oh wait, no we didn't.0 -
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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I want to jump in quickly to make a comment about Airbus UK. I think that people over-overestimating Airbus' commitment to Airbus UK. There are two reasons behind this. First, the emotional commitment within EADS/Airbus in its widest sense. Second, and this is important, there is no major UK shareholder in Airbus. UK is legacy from the BAE Systems position and the French, German and Spanish governments would be very keen to draw the UK operations to their country.
That's not to say that Airbus would immediately shift operations out if the UK. I don't think they they would. But I do think that wings and structures for the A320 replacement would be designed and fabricated outside the UK. Ultimately, Hawarden and Filton would wither on the vine.
Leavers may bad sanguine about that risk, and it's a view. I do think that my scenario is realistic though.0 -
Ouch - I hope the the good Dr Fox isn't watching this! Turning the bursary point in favour of Leave.0
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Another GE style question about nursing training0
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Whist, away with you. We'll have none of that "accepting reality" nonsense around here, young man. This is PB.com, godsdammit!Mortimer said:
Finally, someone accepts the reality.OllyT said:
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.Mortimer said:Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
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IIRC it's a split of Leave, Remain and DKwelshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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1) Very few Americans eat lambMikeL said:We can't sell any beef and lamb to USA - best point so far by PM.
Many people will be surprised by that.
2) they have plenty of beef
3) If you have lived in the UK in the last 20 years or so you are not allowed to donate blood in the US due to CJD. This should take care of beef imports too.
So whether people are surprised or not, it's probably irrelevant.0 -
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).0
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Cameron basically admits to establishment capture by the EU on security there.0
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Ex policeman asking good security questions.0
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To be fair, France didn't mess around when the boot was on its foot. Or Spain.HurstLlama said:
Well Germany did it to France three times in 70 years, granted we sat the first one out.tlg86 said:This is getting me angry. Countries that used to fight each other? No, one country has had a habit of marching into its neighbours and we had to come to the rescue.
We have never hurt a fly, of course.0 -
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Whist, away with you. We'll have none of that "accepting reality" nonsense around here, young man. This is PB.com, godsdammit!Mortimer said:
Finally, someone accepts the reality.OllyT said:
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.Mortimer said:Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
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Yes. 20% of questions are anti-Conservative.Danny565 said:Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Democracy, eh - dontcha love it!?0 -
CoughDanny565 said:Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
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I'm not sure Cameron is doing himself any good by pointing out that the arrest warrant allowed us to bring back a load of criminals for whom we have to pay for!0
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That's it. What a disappointment, too short, badly managed. 3/10 Sky0
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Just chortled at the shot of the audience gathering their things desperate to go, while Cameron was doing his peroration.0
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Blimey very folksy American style at the end. Is he running for Congress?0
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No didn't see that. But with the public he looks very polished. Unlike most politicians he at least addresses the questions he is asked.Danny565 said:
He's doing well now, but did you see the one-on-one with Faisal Islam? Cameron got very rattled and angry.DavidL said:Watched a bit on my phone. Cameron remains the best in the business at this. For all the moaning on here he remains Remains biggest asset.
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Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.0
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If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.welshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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He was told 3x that he wasn't answering the question, the audience weren't going to be flanneled.DavidL said:
No didn't see that. But with the public he looks very polished. Unlike most politicians he at least addresses the questions he is asked.Danny565 said:
He's doing well now, but did you see the one-on-one with Faisal Islam? Cameron got very rattled and angry.DavidL said:Watched a bit on my phone. Cameron remains the best in the business at this. For all the moaning on here he remains Remains biggest asset.
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I'd chalk that down as a win for Cameron, were it not for the fact that he's shot his credibility to pieces.Danny565 said:Just chortled at the shot of the audience gathering their things desperate to go, while Cameron was doing his peroration.
People just aren't willing to listen to his message anymore.0 -
In fairness that was pretty aggressive and I doubt any other politician would have handled it as well as DC. He will take some replacing whenever that happens, as it will of course0
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I never understand why milk is so damn expensive in the US. Load of space for cows etc, but it is eye wateringly expensive...and don't get we started on cheese...jesus h christ.Tim_B said:
1) Very few Americans eat lambMikeL said:We can't sell any beef and lamb to USA - best point so far by PM.
Many people will be surprised by that.
2) they have plenty of beef
3) If you have lived in the UK in the last 20 years or so you are not allowed to donate blood in the US due to CJD. This should take care of beef imports too.
So whether people are surprised or not, it's probably irrelevant.0 -
Should stick to golfdr_spyn said:Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
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So should Jeremy Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Should stick to golfdr_spyn said:Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
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Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.AnneJGP said:
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.welshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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Very sneaky of SKY to let that question in about Boris being PM. I'm now switching off, as I know SKY will be crowing about Faisal. Not one of the PM's best but just about okay.0
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Mr Owls, did you make it to Wembley? I was lucky enough to get tickets for me and my dad and we thought the Wednesday fans were brilliant. A shame about the result, but I think you've got a good manager and can hopefully keep playing well next season.bigjohnowls said:
Should stick to golfdr_spyn said:Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
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Verdict from the Eastbourne Jury
Stand out moments Cameron getting really red faced with Faisal and calling him glib/biased. Thought that whole segment was awful bullyboy stuff more suited to PMQs
I heard Faisal gasping with WTF at least twice.
Eng Lit girl gets soundbite about waffling on Sky plus audience laugh at WW3
When Cameron was answering the question, his usual smoother self.
Lots of comments about scaremongering from audience.0 -
Paul Ryan will now support Trump. God knows what he was doing making an enemy of a possible president.0
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It was tough but no real faux pas. I think Gove may be a bit more apprehensive if he gets the same grillingLadyBucket said:Very sneaky of SKY to let that question in about Boris being PM. I'm now switching off, as I know SKY will be crowing about Faisal. Not one of the PM's best but just about okay.
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M4 will be fairly clear, post-Brexit.SeanT said:Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.0 -
Danny565 said:
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).0 -
Yes but the currency question killed it for Yes, I don't think we have that equvilance in this debate. Indeed I think the change option has a huge advantage. Everyone knows what that is and it could kill Remain.SeanT said:Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.0 -
I did great day out despite the game.tlg86 said:
Mr Owls, did you make it to Wembley? I was lucky enough to get tickets for me and my dad and we thought the Wednesday fans were brilliant. A shame about the result, but I think you've got a good manager and can hopefully keep playing well next season.bigjohnowls said:
Should stick to golfdr_spyn said:Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
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I think Cameron showed why he's Remain's best asset. He's selling a crock of shite, but a good salesman can sell even that to credulous fouls.
Hopefully that covers less than 50% of the voters.
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Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.welshowl said:
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.AnneJGP said:
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.welshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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M4 will be fairly clear, post-Brexit.SeanT said:Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.0 -
I fear I am falling for wishful thinking but I do think the debate has moved in a way not to Remains advantage. It is not just the immigration issue, I think people have had it up to here with foreigners and foreign organisations telling us what to do. And Remain seem to think we are not good enough. It is not a good look.SeanT said:Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.
And lemurs are funny.0 -
Most entertaining watching Bryant trying to support Remain and avoid being nice about Cameron0
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Tom Watson much has 8 Majors though.Wanderer said:
So should Jeremy Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Should stick to golfdr_spyn said:Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
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Gove needs to do his homework and needs to address some of the things the PM made - i.e. the advantage of going second.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was tough but no real faux pas. I think Gove may be a bit more apprehensive if he gets the same grillingLadyBucket said:Very sneaky of SKY to let that question in about Boris being PM. I'm now switching off, as I know SKY will be crowing about Faisal. Not one of the PM's best but just about okay.
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Anyway flying visit.
Hopefully back in a month or so for a bit longer.
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The very best salesman can sell very little if he's considered to be an apocalyptic scaremonger who wilfully exaggerates, shamlessly allies himself with whoever he's previously trashed to sell his products, and treats his customers like fools.RoyalBlue said:I think Cameron showed why he's Remain's best asset. He's selling a crock of shite, but a good salesman can sell even that to credulous fouls.
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More chance of Corbyn winning a major than a general election.bigjohnowls said:
Tom Watson much has 8 Majors though.Wanderer said:
So should Jeremy Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Should stick to golfdr_spyn said:Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
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Because they go well with a nice Chianti?Wanderer said:
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.welshowl said:
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.AnneJGP said:
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.welshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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Hope all is going ok.bigjohnowls said:Anyway flying visit.
Hopefully back in a month or so for a bit longer.
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Trump rally from Sacramento, CA [recorded earlier this morning, UK time]
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Gove's problem is (and this isn't fair) how he looks and sounds, and his mannerisms, and the fact he is such a conviction politicians he takes every question and counterpoint as supporting his argument, which winds people up.Wanderer said:
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.welshowl said:
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.AnneJGP said:
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.welshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
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I voted out today.welshowl said:Danny565 said:Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).
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HERO. Good man, BJO.bigjohnowls said:
I voted out today.welshowl said:Danny565 said:Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).0 -
My thoughts stay with you, BJO.bigjohnowls said:Anyway flying visit.
Hopefully back in a month or so for a bit longer.
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Gove would do extremely well with people who are super-bright and like a ding-dong.Casino_Royale said:
Gove's problem is (and this isn't fair) how he looks and sounds, and his mannerisms, and the fact he is such a conviction politicians he takes every question and counterpoint as supporting his argument, which winds people up.Wanderer said:
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.welshowl said:
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.AnneJGP said:
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.welshowl said:
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.Danny565 said:Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
But there's no question he'll be able to deal with any question or challenge, and argue his case well.
Sadly, the audience tomorrow, and the nation at large, ain't super bright.0 -
Bryant and IDS fighting and talking over each other. Complete turn off. And Boulton cannot control the discussion0
