"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
In the way politicians have done Mumsnet, I think they should be "encouraged" to do PB...I am not sure they would get away with even 5% of the bollocks they get away with from the "expert" interviewers.
This is a very good idea.
Robert alone could roast most politicians on almost any subject.
There was an absolutely hopeless appearance of a Tory MP on C4 news wringing his hands about BHS.
"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
I'm still undecided about what turnout is going to be like.
ANECDOTE ALERT, but in my (reasonably politically-interested) circle, there's quite a lot of awareness now that the Referendum is happening, and a belief that it's a really important decision, but equally a lot of total bafflement about what a lot of the statistics and arguments mean, and how it's seemingly impossible to work out who to believe.
Turnout will be big-ish. I've backed the BF 65-70 band, which is GE territory.
The truth of the matter, I think, is that there is very little to choose between Remain and Leave in terms of actual impact within the timeframe we can foresee. If the EU goes wrong then leaving will have been the smart thing, but on the other hand if we as a nation repeat the last 100 years of 'wise decisions' then Brexit will be bad.
The principal worrying thing about this referendum is that not a single politician (so far as I can tell) has managed to avoid spouting nonsense. They're all trying to polarise the question whereas in fact this is a grey issue.
(My vote is currently undecided)
Well, excuse me, but I am undecided. Attracted by the simplicity that an independent nation represents, sovereignty granted by the people to a directly elected parliament; repelled by the anti-immigrant nastiness of many advocating Leave, however hard they try to hide that nastiness behind seemingly reasonable 'points systems' and ironic shouts of "racist" against themselves.
Mr. 56, please do be careful about people posting about large scale immigration, the process, which some may disagree with even quite vehemently, and the immigrants, the people, who some are quite content to treat as individuals, good and bad the same as individuals in any other group.
There are some on here who seem to deliberately confuse the two so that they can paint those who oppose the former as nasty people because they hate the latter when in fact such is not the case.
Wanting to be able to manage migration so that we attract the skilled and those who will be a positive benefit to the UK, regardless of where in the world they come from, whilst not accepting those who will be a drain on our society, has nothing to do with being nasty or being anti-immigrant.
Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.
I'm confused. Is he arguing it's that high and therefore the changes he got in the deal will have some affect on the numbers? If it's that high it suggests to me that the immigrants are actually here for the benefits which runs counter to the general perception.
I'm not actually watching the debate at the moment, to what does 40% refer?
DC was asked how many EU immigrants claim in work benefits. He seemed to respond 40%. Which sounds about right (well, it sounds effing awful - but chimes true).
An argument against in work benefits more than an argument against immigration.
Not a fan of helping the British poor, no?
Huge fan of helping the British poor. Employment is at a 45 year high, unemployment around a 30 year low.
If you are talking about British jobs for British people I'm not necessarily a fan.
Because you prefer British jobs for European people?
Happy for the employers to decide. I am a free marketeer.
The unsealed Trump University documents and pretty damaging stuff. No wonder Trump has been doing 11 minutes segments about how biased the judge is.
Not commenting on Trump university, but there is a number of these "hard sell" educational companies, that always start with come to a free seminar on property investing or investing in the stock market...and of course they then do the hard sell to the paid course...and then the paid course is only the introduction and they hard sell you the next level...ala Scientology.
However, they often tread a very careful line which makes them legal, albeit they have to make pay out from time to time to disgruntled customers. It often comes down to the fact you do get some sort of training / education, however expensive / overpriced it might be.
They operate here too (unfortunately). Not going to name any names for legal reasons.
Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.
In the way politicians have done Mumsnet, I think they should be "encouraged" to do PB...I am not sure they would get away with even 5% of the bollocks they get away with from the "expert" interviewers.
The Lib Dems did in their 2007 leadership election. We unanimously declared Chris Huhne the winner if memory serves me correctly.
This is getting me angry. Countries that used to fight each other? No, one country has had a habit of marching into its neighbours and we had to come to the rescue.
Well Germany did it to France three times in 70 years, granted we sat the first one out.
In the way politicians have done Mumsnet, I think they should be "encouraged" to do PB...I am not sure they would get away with even 5% of the bollocks they get away with from the "expert" interviewers.
The Lib Dems did in their 2007 leadership election. We unanimously declared Chris Huhne the winner if memory serves me correctly.
Clearly PB was a good judge of character....wisdom of crowds and all that.
Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.
OK - what percentage of tariffs that we charge on goods outside the EU do we keep? Is it:
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
I want to jump in quickly to make a comment about Airbus UK. I think that people over-overestimating Airbus' commitment to Airbus UK. There are two reasons behind this. First, the emotional commitment within EADS/Airbus in its widest sense. Second, and this is important, there is no major UK shareholder in Airbus. UK is legacy from the BAE Systems position and the French, German and Spanish governments would be very keen to draw the UK operations to their country.
That's not to say that Airbus would immediately shift operations out if the UK. I don't think they they would. But I do think that wings and structures for the A320 replacement would be designed and fabricated outside the UK. Ultimately, Hawarden and Filton would wither on the vine.
Leavers may bad sanguine about that risk, and it's a view. I do think that my scenario is realistic though.
Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.
Finally, someone accepts the reality.
:-)
Whist, away with you. We'll have none of that "accepting reality" nonsense around here, young man. This is PB.com, godsdammit!
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
We can't sell any beef and lamb to USA - best point so far by PM.
Many people will be surprised by that.
1) Very few Americans eat lamb
2) they have plenty of beef
3) If you have lived in the UK in the last 20 years or so you are not allowed to donate blood in the US due to CJD. This should take care of beef imports too.
So whether people are surprised or not, it's probably irrelevant.
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
This is getting me angry. Countries that used to fight each other? No, one country has had a habit of marching into its neighbours and we had to come to the rescue.
Well Germany did it to France three times in 70 years, granted we sat the first one out.
To be fair, France didn't mess around when the boot was on its foot. Or Spain.
Good grief, I'm convinced no-one in the Remain camp understands how tariffs work. Not even our own Prime Minister. The sooner he is replaced the better.
Absolutely because we are all so stupid in the Remain camp and couldn't possibly understand how tariffs work.
Finally, someone accepts the reality.
:-)
Whist, away with you. We'll have none of that "accepting reality" nonsense around here, young man. This is PB.com, godsdammit!
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
I'm not sure Cameron is doing himself any good by pointing out that the arrest warrant allowed us to bring back a load of criminals for whom we have to pay for!
I'm not sure Cameron is doing himself any good by pointing out that the arrest warrant allowed us to bring back a load of criminals for whom we have to pay for!
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.
In fairness that was pretty aggressive and I doubt any other politician would have handled it as well as DC. He will take some replacing whenever that happens, as it will of course
We can't sell any beef and lamb to USA - best point so far by PM.
Many people will be surprised by that.
1) Very few Americans eat lamb
2) they have plenty of beef
3) If you have lived in the UK in the last 20 years or so you are not allowed to donate blood in the US due to CJD. This should take care of beef imports too.
So whether people are surprised or not, it's probably irrelevant.
I never understand why milk is so damn expensive in the US. Load of space for cows etc, but it is eye wateringly expensive...and don't get we started on cheese...jesus h christ.
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.
Very sneaky of SKY to let that question in about Boris being PM. I'm now switching off, as I know SKY will be crowing about Faisal. Not one of the PM's best but just about okay.
Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
Should stick to golf
Mr Owls, did you make it to Wembley? I was lucky enough to get tickets for me and my dad and we thought the Wednesday fans were brilliant. A shame about the result, but I think you've got a good manager and can hopefully keep playing well next season.
Stand out moments Cameron getting really red faced with Faisal and calling him glib/biased. Thought that whole segment was awful bullyboy stuff more suited to PMQs
I heard Faisal gasping with WTF at least twice.
Eng Lit girl gets soundbite about waffling on Sky plus audience laugh at WW3
When Cameron was answering the question, his usual smoother self.
Lots of comments about scaremongering from audience.
Very sneaky of SKY to let that question in about Boris being PM. I'm now switching off, as I know SKY will be crowing about Faisal. Not one of the PM's best but just about okay.
It was tough but no real faux pas. I think Gove may be a bit more apprehensive if he gets the same grilling
Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).
Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.
Yes but the currency question killed it for Yes, I don't think we have that equvilance in this debate. Indeed I think the change option has a huge advantage. Everyone knows what that is and it could kill Remain.
Tom Watson tweets he is offend by booing Laura K, then has his time line infested by cage rattlers.
Should stick to golf
Mr Owls, did you make it to Wembley? I was lucky enough to get tickets for me and my dad and we thought the Wednesday fans were brilliant. A shame about the result, but I think you've got a good manager and can hopefully keep playing well next season.
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.
Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.
Splendid day with my older daughter and her best friend at Woburn Safari Park. Despite the clouds and cold.
If anyone is feeling a little blue, I recommend spending seven hours with two ten year olds: convulsed with laughter and delight. Just the best. Puts it all in perspective.
Relevance?
1. On the way up, I saw just one sign of the campaign, an enormous LEAVE poster in a field. And for the first time, I thought: Wow, this really could happen. We could be witnessing a quiet revolution.
However I remember Scottish Yessers saying VERY similar stuff prior to indyref, and of course they lost.
2. Whatever happens, life really will go on. The English summer will still disappoint, the traffic on the M1 will still frustrate - and kids will still laugh at lemurs and we will still be a very very lucky country.
I fear I am falling for wishful thinking but I do think the debate has moved in a way not to Remains advantage. It is not just the immigration issue, I think people have had it up to here with foreigners and foreign organisations telling us what to do. And Remain seem to think we are not good enough. It is not a good look.
Very sneaky of SKY to let that question in about Boris being PM. I'm now switching off, as I know SKY will be crowing about Faisal. Not one of the PM's best but just about okay.
It was tough but no real faux pas. I think Gove may be a bit more apprehensive if he gets the same grilling
Gove needs to do his homework and needs to address some of the things the PM made - i.e. the advantage of going second.
I think Cameron showed why he's Remain's best asset. He's selling a crock of shite, but a good salesman can sell even that to credulous fouls.
Hopefully that covers less than 50% of the voters.
The very best salesman can sell very little if he's considered to be an apocalyptic scaremonger who wilfully exaggerates, shamlessly allies himself with whoever he's previously trashed to sell his products, and treats his customers like fools.
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.
Gove's problem is (and this isn't fair) how he looks and sounds, and his mannerisms, and the fact he is such a conviction politicians he takes every question and counterpoint as supporting his argument, which winds people up.
But there's no question he'll be able to deal with any question or challenge, and argue his case well.
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).
Incidentally, this debate is showing the danger that the referendum could become a chance to protest-vote against the government's many failings (as shown by the complaints about the NHS, tuition fees, etc.).
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).
Hate to admit it, but Cameron is doing rather well in this audience section.
Oh he's good at this no doubt. In fairness he's holding his own in a pretty hostile environment. I think the audience is supposed to be balanced but the pro EU voices are pretty mute. Will be interesting to see how Gove's turn pans out tomorrow in comparison.
If the pro-EU voices are pretty mute, that's interesting in itself. Seems to mark a change in background atmosphere.
Maybe. Need tomorrow to compare.
Gove will get fewer "Why is your Government shit" questions maybe? He will get "Why are you a bastard that eats teachers' livers", one assumes.
Gove's problem is (and this isn't fair) how he looks and sounds, and his mannerisms, and the fact he is such a conviction politicians he takes every question and counterpoint as supporting his argument, which winds people up.
But there's no question he'll be able to deal with any question or challenge, and argue his case well.
Gove would do extremely well with people who are super-bright and like a ding-dong.
Sadly, the audience tomorrow, and the nation at large, ain't super bright.
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How often on BBC1 Question Time do we get audience members asking questions we can't hear?
It's a mess.
"Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?"
;-)
The problem of Cameron being the front man for REMAIN.
Robert alone could roast most politicians on almost any subject.
There was an absolutely hopeless appearance of a Tory MP on C4 news wringing his hands about BHS.
There are some on here who seem to deliberately confuse the two so that they can paint those who oppose the former as nasty people because they hate the latter when in fact such is not the case.
Wanting to be able to manage migration so that we attract the skilled and those who will be a positive benefit to the UK, regardless of where in the world they come from, whilst not accepting those who will be a drain on our society, has nothing to do with being nasty or being anti-immigrant.
Is that relevant to the EU?
Ouch
You're not answering the question...
You don't need a trade deal to trade...
Now Cameron claiming BMW won't sell to us and would lobby Merkel to make it harder to sell to us. Did I hear this right?
However, they often tread a very careful line which makes them legal, albeit they have to make pay out from time to time to disgruntled customers. It often comes down to the fact you do get some sort of training / education, however expensive / overpriced it might be.
They operate here too (unfortunately). Not going to name any names for legal reasons.
:-)
Many people will be surprised by that.
a) 10%
b) 25%
c) 50%
d) 100%
Genius Uncle Roy....
Did we challenge them through the US courts? Oh wait, no we didn't.
A few immigration questions would be helpful.
That's not to say that Airbus would immediately shift operations out if the UK. I don't think they they would. But I do think that wings and structures for the A320 replacement would be designed and fabricated outside the UK. Ultimately, Hawarden and Filton would wither on the vine.
Leavers may bad sanguine about that risk, and it's a view. I do think that my scenario is realistic though.
2) they have plenty of beef
3) If you have lived in the UK in the last 20 years or so you are not allowed to donate blood in the US due to CJD. This should take care of beef imports too.
So whether people are surprised or not, it's probably irrelevant.
We have never hurt a fly, of course.
Democracy, eh - dontcha love it!?
People just aren't willing to listen to his message anymore.
Stand out moments Cameron getting really red faced with Faisal and calling him glib/biased. Thought that whole segment was awful bullyboy stuff more suited to PMQs
I heard Faisal gasping with WTF at least twice.
Eng Lit girl gets soundbite about waffling on Sky plus audience laugh at WW3
When Cameron was answering the question, his usual smoother self.
Lots of comments about scaremongering from audience.
Yeah there was a whiff of that. Corbyn of course is supposed to shore up that flank with his friends but he seems less than active and enthused about that so far ( in fairness he's been away and the heavy work starts now - though I'm not holding any breath).
Think we will be strong next season WAWAW
Hopefully that covers less than 50% of the voters.
And lemurs are funny.
Hopefully back in a month or so for a bit longer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdVAiXkgnE4
But there's no question he'll be able to deal with any question or challenge, and argue his case well.
Sadly, the audience tomorrow, and the nation at large, ain't super bright.