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Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

Or here's one of my other passions, crafted cider

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/mar/07/craft-cider-eu-tax-threat

great a world of fking magners and stella artois.

Wanderer said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

PlatoSaid said:

"Alfie in Tower Hamlets told Andrew Castle that he thinks the EU has destroyed the living standards of the working class.

'I am ashamed of my politicians it's gone our way of life has gone our communities have been decimated,' he said.

"No one asked me. No one asked my friends, to be forced out of our area. no one asked for our wages to go down. We've just had it dumped upon us,"

Listen as he lets rip. "

http://www.lbc.co.uk/andrew-taken-aback-by-callers-anti-eu-rant-131412

These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.

I suppose Alfie thinks Bangladesh is in the EU.

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The e longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.

Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.

I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.

chestnut said:

PlatoSaid said:

"Alfie in Tower Hamlets told Andrew Castle that he thinks the EU has destroyed the living standards of the working class.

'I am ashamed of my politicians it's gone our way of life has gone our communities have been decimated,' he said.

"No one asked me. No one asked my friends, to be forced out of our area. no one asked for our wages to go down. We've just had it dumped upon us,"

Listen as he lets rip. "

http://www.lbc.co.uk/andrew-taken-aback-by-callers-anti-eu-rant-131412

The EU is being conflated with immigration in general, but the general problem is one of a political elite whose experience of immigration doesn't extend to fighting for an £8 per hour job, a council house, a decent school and prompt treatment at the GP/A and E etc.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The e longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.

Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.

I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.

In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.

TOPPING said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The e longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.

Why not try was one of the main hold ups.

I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.

In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.

The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

MarqueeMark said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

Weak. It's 64 degrees in Camden Town currently, according to my Met Office app.

It sure doesn't feel like it. Gusty wind, no sun at all, rain to come, and people walking down my street in thick coats and jumpers. A girl just went past wrapped in an enormous scarf.

Pff, I say, PFFFF!

London has gone soft.

Of course it has. Stuffed full of Remainers. They may not ALL be c*nts as SeanT has opined, but Remainers certainly seem to be the sort of risk-averse safety-first do-what-Nanny-says types who are an evolutionary cul-de-sac.... Hyaenodon gigas that have settled for being raccoons...

It's Leaver SeanT who's turned his heating on. At the end of May. When it's 64 degrees outside.

Well if it hadn't been for all those stupid EU rules about using fossil fuels it would be at least 10F warmer and there would have been no need [/TIC]

PlatoSaid said:

RobD said:

PlatoSaid said:

Mirror
Electoral Commission says 'biased' EU postal voting guide "clearly shouldn't have been used" https://t.co/JuXBn0p0E3 https://t.co/YNctL7lgxU

Is the Council going to be reprimanded in any way, or is "clearly shouldn't have been used" all we are going to get?

That so many Remainers rubbished this and said it was a PhotoShop job just makes it sweeter. I doubt anything will be done myself. I remain amazed this stuff isn't produced by the EComm.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The e longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt h Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Laal supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.

Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.

I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.

In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

PAW said:

SouthamObserver - what services do poor people get?

rottenborough said:

weejonnie said:

SouthamObserver said:

MarqueeMark said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

Weak. It's 64 degrees in Camden Town currently, according to my Met Office app.

It sure doesn't feel like it. Gusty wind, no sun at all, rain to come, and people walking down my street in thick coats and jumpers. A girl just went past wrapped in an enormous scarf.

Pff, I say, PFFFF!

London has gone soft.

Of course it has. Stuffed full of Remainers. They may not ALL be c*nts as SeanT has opined, but Remainers certainly seem to be the sort of risk-averse safety-first do-what-Nanny-says types who are an evolutionary cul-de-sac.... Hyaenodon gigas that have settled for being raccoons...

It's Leaver SeanT who's turned his heating on. At the end of May. When it's 64 degrees outside.

Well if it hadn't been for all those stupid EU rules about using fossil fuels it would be at least 10F warmer and there would have been no need [/TIC]

"Ne'er cast a clout till May be out" - as we say outside London.

perdix said:

BenedictWhite said:

HurstLlama said:

OldKingCole said:

There’s.... or was when I was concerned ..... a big debate about this in medicine. One would expect that consultants and GP's would make decisions in the manner which you suggest; in fact persauding some at least of the value of Evidence Based Medicine as opposed to personal experience was extremely difficult.

Indeed my then GP failed to diagnose my cancer on the grounds of his personal experience and was most reluctant to send me for investigation.
That was 5 years ago admittedly and I will know in a week or so when the operation and medication which wiser heads recommended have worked.

Sorry to hear of your experience, Mr Cole, and I hope that the fat got pulled out of the fire in time. I am, however, not surprised that your GP fecked up - it has happened to several people I know, sometimes with fatal consequences.

I have a theory that one of the big causes of health inequality in this country is nothing to do with lifestyle or relative poverty. It is because poorer people tend to be less well-educated, less self-confident and so more inclined to accept what their doctor says as gospel. I am certain I would have been dead nearly twenty years ago if I had passively listened to the specialist, the specialist FFS, when my kidneys went wonky. I remember the interview well, it was only after I told him he was talking out of his arse and that things were not proceeding well that he changed tack and treatment that I began to recover. I have had to do something similar with my current young GP too.

I fear that is precisely the case. It's why we need to get a public school attitude of self confidence in every school in the land, so that people take themselves as a reasonable authority and don't blindly follow others.

However my current GP is very good.

The Press and this government are taking on public school education as something socially undesirable. If you want to have leaders in all sections of society you have to provide the foundations for self confidence. Avoiding arrogance, of course.

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

welshowl said:

Hmm. I'm in Cardiff half a world away from the Rhondda (!). It's a tricky one to call really. There's a lot of automatic "vote what Labour says" I'm sure, and Plaid are very pro Remain. Also there's a lot if European money spent (compared to wealthier bits of the UK). On the other hand immigration I doubt will play well and P Talbot is a localish known unknown in the mix. I'm guessing slightly Remain on a low turnout.

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

PlatoSaid said:

"Alfie in Tower Hamlets told Andrew Castle that he thinks the EU has destroyed the living standards of the working class.

'I am ashamed of my politicians it's gone our way of life has gone our communities have been decimated,' he said.

"No one asked me. No one asked my friends, to be forced out of our area. no one asked for our wages to go down. We've just had it dumped upon us,"

Listen as he lets rip. "

http://www.lbc.co.uk/andrew-taken-aback-by-callers-anti-eu-rant-131412

These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.

BenedictWhite said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

PlatoSaid said:

SandyRentool said:

blackburn63 said:

The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.

Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.

The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.

WTF?

Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.

Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]


Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.

Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

And it gets worse. The Chinese just employ a graphic designer to do their CE marking. (And no, a lot don't do the testing)

PlatoSaid said:

Golly

Dan Hodges
Here's the full Jackie Walker piece where she implies Sadiq Khan is part of a Zionist conspiracy https://t.co/ZUH6i6i4aT

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.

We should all celebrate this win-win situation.

BenedictWhite said:

TOPPING said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.

It could mean lots of things.

EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.

And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters

So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?

There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.

I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.

Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.

Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.

I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.

In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.

The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.

Actually it usually isn't.

They start with Health and Safety, then when they get told not, not us gov they then cite insurance. The insurance companies are seldom actually consulted and are not about to go on air unless invited. I asked the HSE about PAT tests, they said you don't need them, the PAT tester said "Ah but your insurer will" so I asked the insurer who said "not us either".

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.

We should all celebrate this win-win situation.

NeilVW said:

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.

We should all celebrate this win-win situation.

The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.

viewcode said:

welshowl said:

Hmm. I'm in Cardiff half a world away from the Rhondda (!). It's a tricky one to call really. There's a lot of automatic "vote what Labour says" I'm sure, and Plaid are very pro Remain. Also there's a lot if European money spent (compared to wealthier bits of the UK). On the other hand immigration I doubt will play well and P Talbot is a localish known unknown in the mix. I'm guessing slightly Remain on a low turnout.

I have relatives in the Valleys (proper Valleys mind, not Cardiff/Swansea/Port Talbot).

During the Greece kerfuffle they saw a centre-right blue-clad woman from one country impose fiscal rectitude (with concomitant unemployment and poverty) on a working class country that spoke a different language...

...so go on, have a guess what they thought...

I'll be surprised if the Valleys don't go majority LEAVE, possibly higher than that.

NeilVW said:

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.

We should all celebrate this win-win situation.

The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.

Philip_Thompson said:

NeilVW said:

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.

We should all celebrate this win-win situation.

The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.

As if we have a bigger black market than the likes of Italy and Eastern Europe ...

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):

http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html

all good lefty causes

shall I count you as Leave ?

SouthamObserver said:

So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

n't . Which one is lying ?

Quitting would not bring more cash because the government does not want to subsidise BT.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/

Philip_Thompson said:

NeilVW said:

Philip_Thompson said:

NeilVW said:

TOPPING said:

Philip_Thompson said:

PlatoSaid said:

Lord Ashcroft isn't holding back

Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9

Not on Dec 1st ...

As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.

We should all celebrate this win-win situation.

The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.

As if we have a bigger black market than the likes of Italy and Eastern Europe ...

Could be wrong, but I think it was a unilateral choice by the UK's statistics authority.

No it was not. All nations were supposed to estimate it, we probably estimated it more honestly than other nations did so were penalised for that.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):

http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html

all good lefty causes

shall I count you as Leave ?

Gibraltar is up to the Gibralterians. Northern Ireland is up to the Northern Irish and Scotland is up to Scots. I am not that bothered about Gibraltar, but I hope the UK stays together. A good reason to vote Remain.

SouthamObserver said:

So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):

http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html

PClipp said:

RobD said:

PClipp said:

MarqueeMark said:

On one level, it was highly flammable - when people realised that Cameron and Osborne (and it is them) had put £9m of taxpayers banknotes under one corner of the table football, so the ball kept rolling away from Remain's goal and into the Leave net....

From what I have been hearing, people REALLY did not like that. And what is ultra-stupid is that for many, it will rob a narrow Remain win of any legitimacy. All I can think is that they must have been seeing some VERY BAD INTERNAL POLLING....

Alternatively, Mr Mark, they just think that they can do whatever they like and get away with it.

After all, that is what they did in the general election a year ago, and they still haven`t paid the price.

So much for innocent until proven guilty.

That is probably why the Tories are trying to drag it out, and make it difficult for the authorities to get hold of the evidence against them. If they were innocent, they would have nothing to fear, as somebody once said in a different context.

PlatoSaid said:

Golly

Dan Hodges
Here's the full Jackie Walker piece where she implies Sadiq Khan is part of a Zionist conspiracy https://t.co/ZUH6i6i4aT

chestnut said:

SouthamObserver said:

So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):

http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html

More likely that Ireland will have a referendum about leaving the EU.

BenedictWhite said:

viewcode said:

BenedictWhite said:

Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?

Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.

Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting

viewcode said:

chestnut said:

SouthamObserver said:

So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):

http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html

More likely that Ireland will have a referendum about leaving the EU.

If you had said that before it joined the Euro, I'd've agreed with you. But post-Euro it can't leave, for the same reason Greece can't - it makes them automatically poor overnight. They've wargamed leaving the EU but keeping the Euro...and the results aren't great.

This is why the Irish government is running it's own pro-REMAIN campaign.

BenedictWhite said:

viewcode said:

BenedictWhite said:

Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?

Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.

Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting

HYUFD said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

PlatoSaid said:

"Alfie in Tower Hamlets told Andrew Castle that he thinks the EU has destroyed the living standards of the working class.

'I am ashamed of my politicians it's gone our way of life has gone our communities have been decimated,' he said.

"No one asked me. No one asked my friends, to be forced out of our area. no one asked for our wages to go down. We've just had it dumped upon us,"

Listen as he lets rip. "

http://www.lbc.co.uk/andrew-taken-aback-by-callers-anti-eu-rant-131412

These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.

Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?

All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.

The former maybe, If you voted for Blair in 1997 the odds are you will be voting Remain

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

viewcode said:

BenedictWhite said:

Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?

Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.

Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting

Labour GOTV.

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

HYUFD said:

BenedictWhite said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

PlatoSaid said:

"Alfie in Tower Hamlets told Andrew Castle that he thinks the EU has destroyed the living standards of the working class.

'I am ashamed of my politicians it's gone our way of life has gone our communities have been decimated,' he said.

"No one asked me. No one asked my friends, to be forced out of our area. no one asked for our wages to go down. We've just had it dumped upon us,"

Listen as he lets rip. "

http://www.lbc.co.uk/andrew-taken-aback-by-callers-anti-eu-rant-131412

These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.

Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?

All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.

The former maybe, If you voted for Blair in 1997 the odds are you will be voting Remain

If you voted in 1997 and carried on voting, perhaps. If you defected to the Libdems after Iraq certainly.

But if you voted for Blair in 1997 thinking you would get a Labour government that would put the native working class first sfter 18 years of Tory abuse, and then looked in horror to discover that Labour had become politically correct Tory Lite and then stopped bothering to vote - somewhat unlikely you will vote Remain.

It will not have gone unnoticed that virtually the whole political and managerial class is pro Remain and the bonus - unlike say in the Austrian election - is that you can knee these people where it hurts on June 23rd with no risk of a demagogic nutter coming to power due to your vote.

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

weejonnie said:

BenedictWhite said:

viewcode said:

BenedictWhite said:

Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?

Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.

Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting

Labour GOTV.

I wouldnt bank on it. They got their vote out before the election last year which was quite a high turnout and only students and others moving house would have had to reregister since then.

I suspect - as with indyref it is people who have not voted for years or decades and I cant see them voting pro the political classes view.