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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Tories are dominating the referendum campaign and that’s not good news for Remain

Loughborough University’s Centre for Research in Communication and Culture has analysed the media coverage of the first few weeks of the referendum campaign. As we can see in the table above, it is being dominated by the Tories. If we look at the table below, unsuprisingly the Tories dominate the top 10 individual appearances as well.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    First like leave!
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    Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Immigration has not featured in this campaign...... until last Friday....
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771
    The Tories are dominating the referendum campaign and that’s not good news for the Tories either.

    All anyone else sees is a party at each other's throats.

    Should cheer up their opponents enormously.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    I got a phone call about two weeks ago asking how can I support thier campaign I said I would leaflet and hang a poster up. Two weeks later I still have no poster and no one has contacted me about leafletting, really sums up Vote Leave's campaign s far.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    Surely the first line of thread proper should read "If the referendum is seen as solely as a Tory/ right wing affair then non Tory/non right wing voters might not bother voting.

    ???
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,118
    I think there’s been one meeting per side in this area; there are a three or four posters for Leave and a few Reamain leaflets used as impromptu pasters in windows.

    And I’ve seen and heard no evidence of any canvassing. For either side.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688
    I hope you all spotted my subtle ABBA and This Is Spinal Tap references.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688

    Surely the first line of thread proper should read "If the referendum is seen as solely as a Tory/ right wing affair then non Tory/non right wing voters might not bother voting.

    ???

    Well done for spotting my deliberate mistake
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    I've just read Roger's article. He really does add a different dimension to pbCOM with his beautifully written, concise, impartial and witty threads. I really do hope he continues to apply his unique and skilful trade to pbCOM long after this death by a thousand cuts referendum is over.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    L'Boro Uni report finds 61% of TV #EUref coverage offer no evaluations that'd benefit either side, 42% for Press: https://t.co/41xSlUCS5n
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, for Remain, the problem is that a wavering lefty might decide the tie-breaker is harming Cameron, which means voting Leave.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    nunu said:

    I got a phone call about two weeks ago asking how can I support thier campaign I said I would leaflet and hang a poster up. Two weeks later I still have no poster and no one has contacted me about leafletting, really sums up Vote Leave's campaign s far.

    I think it depends your area. Where I live they are really on top of things. In terms of leafleting it is pretty much one street per person. VL and GO are also working quite closely to avoid duplication of work, e.g. two stalls on the same street.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT

    What a shock. Not.

    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    tyson said:

    I've just read Roger's article. He really does add a different dimension to pbCOM with his beautifully written, concise, impartial and witty threads. I really do hope he continues to apply his unique and skilful trade to pbCOM long after this death by a thousand cuts referendum is over.

    I particularly like the Brian Eno reference. Far too much of the analysis on this site employs - or purports to - soley rational approaches. For complex issues, rational analysis of 'facts' is only the junior partner to emotional processing of overall mood.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    Whilst I am in such a good mood- an Italian lunch reaches places that other events can hardly reach- isn't the rally hosted by Khan and Cameron a remarkable thing. Vero? Makes me optimistic for the future and able to visualise a time ahead that isn't so mired in horrible negativity.

    I am beginning to see this vote next month, as tedious as this long march to the damned vote is, a battle of good over evil.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. T, there's an interesting line in psychology that people tend to have an instinctive reaction, and then work to rationalise it (the difference between science and religion is that the former is meant to look at evidence then reach a conclusion, and that latter has a conclusion and works from there).
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. Tyson, whilst I think the EU's a bad thing, 'evil' may be overdoing it.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT
    What a shock. Not.
    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
    Whatever happened to the concept that the broadcast media had to give equal time? I guess for the largest broadcaster, the BBC, that equal time just means an attack statement from REMAIN and a defensive reply from LEAVE. Noticeable to me has been that the actual airtime did seem to be loaded more to REMAIN - interesting that this independent study confirms it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited May 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    ITS FAKE....

    When I read the full article with the weird shit about socks and snopes being a dodgy unreliable website, alarm bells rang...

    "Lewandowski shared what seemed to be a report from ABC News on Twitter — only to be informed soon by other people who took the time to read the full text, and the description of the website, that it was a hoax — it was not from ABC News at all, but a website with a URL that was similar to it."

    https://theintercept.com/2016/04/03/trump-campaign-spread-dirty-meme-paid-protesters/
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT
    What a shock. Not.
    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
    Whatever happened to the concept that the broadcast media had to give equal time? I guess for the largest broadcaster, the BBC, that equal time just means an attack statement from REMAIN and a defensive reply from LEAVE. Noticeable to me has been that the actual airtime did seem to be loaded more to REMAIN - interesting that this independent study confirms it.
    SkyNews has upped their game in last few days. Fewer interruptions and similar timeslots.
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    TSE "If the referendum is seen as solely as a Tory/right wing affair then non Tory/non right wing voters might not bother voting"

    Which brings up the question about the use of Cameron and Osborne as the main front men for REMAIN in the past 15 weeks.

    Roger, as our inhouse communications expert, why would a campaign think that to keep putting up Cameron and Osborne as their main front men is a great move when their ratings from voters have plummeted? Is it signs of a campaign where the spokesmen control the campaign and the communications "experts" are too timid to tell them to STFU?

    For all the shambolic elements of the LEAVE campaign, REMAIN has a unified campaign which for 15 weeks has made a fundamental mistake with its target audience. Hint, the voting block most important to REMAIN are LABOUR VOTERS!

    Big enough mistake for REMAIN to lose? Yes, maybe. With the single unified campaign rolling for 15 weeks, all the Govt resources and control of the timescale, REMAIN should by now be a rock solid certainty to win.
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    Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    edited May 2016
    tyson said:

    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    Indeed. If we don't exterminate ourselves in the meantime.

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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    Mr. T, there's an interesting line in psychology that people tend to have an instinctive reaction, and then work to rationalise it (the difference between science and religion is that the former is meant to look at evidence then reach a conclusion, and that latter has a conclusion and works from there).

    One can place exactly the same evidence in front of two people, and they can come to entirely opposite conclusions. We all reason backwards.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    You may well be correct, Mr. Abroad, indeed I read this morning that Peter Mandleson seems to think democracy's time has gone (the EU elite seems quite certain that it has). I am not sure that the people are yet ready to agree and that a fair few folk, at home and abroad, are getting quite cross about being ignored.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    tyson said:

    I've just read Roger's article. He really does add a different dimension to pbCOM with his beautifully written, concise, impartial and witty threads. I really do hope he continues to apply his unique and skilful trade to pbCOM long after this death by a thousand cuts referendum is over.

    Roger's articles have indeed been excellent.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. F, *all* is stretching it too far. Some are more emotive, others more analytical. Reasoned arguments persuade some, emotional pleas others.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,688
    Thank feck for that, Cook gets to 10,000 test runs.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    tyson said:

    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    Nobody has succeeded in legislating inequality away, not even the most radical Socialists. That suggests to me that inequality is something that most human beings welcome.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    test
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. Tyson, the only way for equality to flourish totally is for equal misery to be doled out.

    People are unequal. Fate is capricious. Resources are limited. Humans are selfish.

    Communism can work in a large house with ten inhabitants. Try it in a country, and you get economic collapse, social upheaval and widespread misery.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    Mr. F, *all* is stretching it too far. Some are more emotive, others more analytical. Reasoned arguments persuade some, emotional pleas others.

    I think there are branches of learning, like hard sciences and law, that are susceptible to rational enquiry. But, politics isn't one of them.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    That is always a possibility. Shortly though, and in my lifetime, I fully expect all major world political conferences to concentrate on positive issues such as global warming, protection of nature, eradication of poverty, health promotion rather than being constantly pulled into the quagmire of war and terrorism.

    tyson said:

    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    Indeed. If we don't exterminate ourselves in the meantime.

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771

    So how does this work ?

    German Dairy farmers to get an immediate 100 million Euro subsidy to support milk prices. Which Angie seems to just go ahead and do while Dave tells UK farmers his hands are tied.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/mindestens-100-millionen-euro-soforthilfe-fuer-milchbauern-14260193.html
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    But, we all fantasise about that.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited May 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.

    Talking of Katie: has she done her naked 'sausage inna bum' routine yet?

    #askingforafriend

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,118


    So how does this work ?

    German Dairy farmers to get an immediate 100 million Euro subsidy to support milk prices. Which Angie seems to just go ahead and do while Dave tells UK farmers his hands are tied.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/mindestens-100-millionen-euro-soforthilfe-fuer-milchbauern-14260193.html

    One gets the feeling that Cameron’s really a Leaver who feels he ought to be for Remain.
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    Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    I think people who sleep with 30 cats do well not to apply weirdness to others...

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    Remain cannot win without a big majority of Labour voters but then Leave cannot win either without a big majority of Tory voters. So if the Tory presence on the airwaves helps get almost half of Tory voters out for Remain then Remain should scrape home even if many Labour voters stay at home
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    I think people who sleep with 30 cats do well not to apply weirdness to others...

    Yes. Cats are solitary creatures, do not like being crowded.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    Without getting too technical about dialectical capitalism, Marx would never have thought that the state could legislate inequality away indefinitely. Marx actually pretty much resented the state and thought that it would naturally wither away as human beings reached their equilibrium living in equality. Perversely, Bolshevism was as far away from Marx as you could find because it centralised power amongst a totalitarian elite.

    Marx wrote in the shadow of such utopian philosophers as Rousseau, Locke and Hobbes. He would have despised the use of his philosophy to support the vile totalitarianism of Stalin, Mao, and all those other odious despotic, authoritarian, communist, death regimes of the 20th century.
    Sean_F said:

    tyson said:

    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    Nobody has succeeded in legislating inequality away, not even the most radical Socialists. That suggests to me that inequality is something that most human beings welcome.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    PlatoSaid said:

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT
    What a shock. Not.
    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
    Whatever happened to the concept that the broadcast media had to give equal time? I guess for the largest broadcaster, the BBC, that equal time just means an attack statement from REMAIN and a defensive reply from LEAVE. Noticeable to me has been that the actual airtime did seem to be loaded more to REMAIN - interesting that this independent study confirms it.
    A rerun of the independence referendum coverage, though in that they often did not even bother with the defensive reply.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT
    What a shock. Not.
    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
    Whatever happened to the concept that the broadcast media had to give equal time? I guess for the largest broadcaster, the BBC, that equal time just means an attack statement from REMAIN and a defensive reply from LEAVE. Noticeable to me has been that the actual airtime did seem to be loaded more to REMAIN - interesting that this independent study confirms it.
    SkyNews has upped their game in last few days. Fewer interruptions and similar timeslots.
    Thanks, I had a "plague on all their houses" attitude and will watch more sky news and ignore the others.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited May 2016

    Mr. F, *all* is stretching it too far. Some are more emotive, others more analytical. Reasoned arguments persuade some, emotional pleas others.

    Mr. Dancer, Some years ago I did some work looking at how senior executives come to decisions. What I thought I would find was that they weigh the evidence, seek out the facts. balance one thing with another, consider the overall objective they wanted to achieve and then decide. I was quite shocked to find very few of them do. Decisions are most commonly made very quickly on gut feel based on past experience and often ill-acknowledged prejudices. Evidence and data comes very low down the list, and was frequently ignored or belittled if it did not match the executive's mindset.

    Of course, big decisions in business and government are usually the result of lots of little decisions, so a narrative is created in the executive's mind which convinces him or her that they are on the right track.

    It is one of the reasons that I am convinced that most highly paid executives could be replaced with people with real experience in their business at much lower cost. To pick an example from these pages in recent days, SeanT mention that bloke from America who was brought over to run the Daily Telegraph. He didn't understand the business or the customers and buggered the whole thing up before he was finally sacked, but not before he inflicted, probably, irreparable damage. There are lots of other examples in recent UK industrial and government history.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    Talking of Katie: has she done her naked 'sausage inna bum' routine yet?
    #askingforafriend
    Nightly?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820


    So how does this work ?

    German Dairy farmers to get an immediate 100 million Euro subsidy to support milk prices. Which Angie seems to just go ahead and do while Dave tells UK farmers his hands are tied.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/mindestens-100-millionen-euro-soforthilfe-fuer-milchbauern-14260193.html

    And since we pay 8% of the EU budget you can say that UK farmers have just paid German farmers €8 million in subsidies.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    tyson said:

    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    Indeed. If we don't exterminate ourselves in the meantime.

    The problem with Marxist analysis is that its wrong.

    People don't put equal effort in if they get the same out regardless.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. Llama, yeah, I remember that post of Mr. T (it was a shame, he wrote some excellent blogs for the Telegraph).

    It's also interesting to consider (well, for me) how that affects both betting and book-buying. I'm convinced my first book's sold the most (new 5* review recently, incidentally) simply because people like the title Bane of Souls, and the cover.

    On the betting front, I try to weigh up evidence, get bets in mind, then see the odds. If nothing works there, I'll check the markets and see if anything leaps out. It's a curious mixture of reasoning and instinct, though.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,661


    So how does this work ?

    German Dairy farmers to get an immediate 100 million Euro subsidy to support milk prices. Which Angie seems to just go ahead and do while Dave tells UK farmers his hands are tied.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/mindestens-100-millionen-euro-soforthilfe-fuer-milchbauern-14260193.html

    But yet their dairies seem to manage to be able to take over ours with little difficulty.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,118

    Mr. F, *all* is stretching it too far. Some are more emotive, others more analytical. Reasoned arguments persuade some, emotional pleas others.

    Mr. Dancer, Some years ago I did some work looking at how senior executives come to decisions. What I thought I would find was that they weigh the evidence, seek out the facts. balance one thing with another, consider the overall objective they wanted to achieve and then decide. I was quite shocked to find very few of them do. Decisions are most commonly made very quickly on gut feel based on past experience and often ill-acknowledged prejudices. Evidence and data comes very low down the list, and was frequently ignored or belittled if it did not match the executive's mindset.

    Of course, big decisions in business and government are usually the result of lots of little decisions, so a narrative is created in the executive's mind which convinces him or her that they are on the right track.

    It is one of the reasons that I am convinced that most highly paid executives could be replaced with people with real experience in their business at much lower cost. To pick an example from these pages in recent days, SeanT mention that bloke from America who was brought over to run the Daily Telegraph. He didn't understand the business or the customers and buggered the whole thing up before he was finally sacked, but not before he inflicted, probably, irreparable damage. There are lots of other examples in recent UK industrial and government history.
    There’s.... or was when I was concerned ..... a big debate about this in medicine. One would expect that consultants and GP's would make decisions in the manner which you suggest; in fact persauding some at least of the value of Evidence Based Medicine as opposed to personal experience was extremely difficult.

    Indeed my then GP failed to diagnose my cancer on the grounds of his personal experience and was most reluctant to send me for investigation.
    That was 5 years ago admittedly and I will know in a week or so when the operation and medication which wiser heads recommended have worked.
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    malcolmg said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT
    What a shock. Not.
    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
    Whatever happened to the concept that the broadcast media had to give equal time? I guess for the largest broadcaster, the BBC, that equal time just means an attack statement from REMAIN and a defensive reply from LEAVE. Noticeable to me has been that the actual airtime did seem to be loaded more to REMAIN - interesting that this independent study confirms it.
    A rerun of the independence referendum coverage, though in that they often did not even bother with the defensive reply.
    Not being in Scotland at that time I would not know. The one little change of moving regulation of BBC to Ofcom, will eventually, improve this. In this age of digital speech analysis I would expect it to be possible for a fully independent assessment to be in place to report on large imbalances.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    Gosh Plato- you really are a bit thin skinned. What I said, and still stand by, is that I find ideological women (I know this is misogynist) particularly unattractive, especially right wing zealous ones. Although lefties are not that much better to be frank. I certainly couldn't sustain a long term, intimate relationship with one. Your life would just be too intense.

    The reference to a threesome with Katie Hopins, and Anne Coulter, two particularly odious types, was just to wind you up, and rather badly done by me. And that is my way of offering an apology of sorts.
    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    FPT:


    Yep, it is genuinely hard to distinguish a lot of Tory Leavers from UKIPers these days - especially now they are going so strong on immigration. What does separate them to the extent they need to be in different parties?

    The difference is Farage. If UKIP found themselves a less idiotic abrasive leader I am sure a fair few disenchanted Tories would consider them an option, I would number myself amongst them so long as the Cameroons are in the driving seat of the Tory party.
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    HYUFD said:

    Remain cannot win without a big majority of Labour voters but then Leave cannot win either without a big majority of Tory voters. So if the Tory presence on the airwaves helps get almost half of Tory voters out for Remain then Remain should scrape home even if many Labour voters stay at home

    I disagree about the Tory part. With the shift of support to UKIP that has happened a 50/50 tory vote between LEAVE and REMAIN may still result in a LEAVE vote.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    ITS FAKE....

    When I read the full article with the weird shit about socks and snopes being a dodgy unreliable website, alarm bells rang...

    "Lewandowski shared what seemed to be a report from ABC News on Twitter — only to be informed soon by other people who took the time to read the full text, and the description of the website, that it was a hoax — it was not from ABC News at all, but a website with a URL that was similar to it."

    https://theintercept.com/2016/04/03/trump-campaign-spread-dirty-meme-paid-protesters/
    It just pressed too many of the outrage buttons to be believable. But then again - this election cycle...??? The Republicans didn't know how to stop Trump. Won't surprise me to find Democrats descending to the Bat Shit Crazy to try and find a way...
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    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    Working by about 2018?
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Mr. Llama, yeah, I remember that post of Mr. T (it was a shame, he wrote some excellent blogs for the Telegraph).

    It's also interesting to consider (well, for me) how that affects both betting and book-buying. I'm convinced my first book's sold the most (new 5* review recently, incidentally) simply because people like the title Bane of Souls, and the cover.

    On the betting front, I try to weigh up evidence, get bets in mind, then see the odds. If nothing works there, I'll check the markets and see if anything leaps out. It's a curious mixture of reasoning and instinct, though.

    Have we just learned what your name is?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    I think people who sleep with 30 cats do well not to apply weirdness to others...

    Yes. Cats are solitary creatures, do not like being crowded.
    You want to tell that to Thomas, our cat. No one forces him to sleep in or on our bed or to snuggle up to Herself on the sofa each evening, but he does both of his own volition. Even The Brute, of blessed memory, liked to snuggle up to Jessica (his sister) and/or to us when he was sleepy. Doc, on medical matters I give you full respect but on moggie psychology I think you are very wide of the mark.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,661

    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    I'm still waiting for the Obama effect - any minute now...
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2016
    It could happen to anyone. A "sir" disappears from REMAIN.
    http://order-order.com/2016/05/30/knightly-loss-of-british-influence/
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    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    Please elaborate.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    My question from the previous thread:

    Out of interest, a question to the remainers:

    If we vote to remain, and then the deal gets thrown out by say the EU parliament, would you demand another referendum, or insist that this one was on the basis the deal might be sunk afterwards?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    edited May 2016
    Mr. White, I can confirm my name is not Horst [main character of Bane of Souls and the chap on the cover].

    More seriously, no. It's a pen name. Or is it? [Yes. It is].

    Edited extra bit: shade under the weather. To clarify in a non-arsish way: Thaddeus White is indeed my pen name. Neither that nor Morris Dancer is my real name.
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    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    I'm still waiting for the Obama effect - any minute now...
    Has he finished speaking yet...?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    Actually, now that I have just found out that Plato sleeps with 30 cats around makes me like her so much more. Someone who can show such compassion with our furry mammalian comrades is alright by me, even though she might have a thing for Donald Trump.

    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    I think people who sleep with 30 cats do well not to apply weirdness to others...

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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,661

    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    Please elaborate.
    I imagine he means he's put it in the stove.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    HYUFD said:

    Remain cannot win without a big majority of Labour voters but then Leave cannot win either without a big majority of Tory voters. So if the Tory presence on the airwaves helps get almost half of Tory voters out for Remain then Remain should scrape home even if many Labour voters stay at home

    I disagree about the Tory part. With the shift of support to UKIP that has happened a 50/50 tory vote between LEAVE and REMAIN may still result in a LEAVE vote.
    When you bear in mind that UKIP beat Labour in the last Euros.... This is all about the Labour vote. If you are looking for a polling surprise, then shy Labour Leavers is where my money goes... No way Labour outside London breaks anything like 70-30. With UKIP 95-5, Leave is in with a real chance.

    Why should there be masses of shy Labour Leavers? Apart from Leavers being decried as knuckle-dragging Neanderthal racists at every turn? Because they would be seen as letting down "our own"? Siding with hated Tories? No reason....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    edited May 2016

    HYUFD said:

    Remain cannot win without a big majority of Labour voters but then Leave cannot win either without a big majority of Tory voters. So if the Tory presence on the airwaves helps get almost half of Tory voters out for Remain then Remain should scrape home even if many Labour voters stay at home

    I disagree about the Tory part. With the shift of support to UKIP that has happened a 50/50 tory vote between LEAVE and REMAIN may still result in a LEAVE vote.
    No way, 13% voted UKIP at the last election, add in 50% of Tory voters and you get to 31%, even if you add in 50% of Labour voters voting Leave you get to 46% Leave 54% Remain when you factor in the 8% of LD voters, 5% of SNP voters, 4% of Green voters and the 2.5% of NI and 0.5% of PC voters who will be strongly for Remain
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. HYUFD, mistake assuming Greens and Lib Dems are automatic Remain voters. Friend of my mother who is a certain Leave voter (due to concerns over Turkey) was/is a strong Lib Dem voter.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,196

    malcolmg said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    The risk is that the only non Tory/right wing voters who peel away from the Can't Be Arsed Party are those who vote Leave to boot Cameron and Osborne out of office.

    @Chrisg000
    #Remain 3x more tv coverage of their case for staying IN, than #voteleave case for coming OUT
    What a shock. Not.
    https://t.co/IuViJjT0mo
    Whatever happened to the concept that the broadcast media had to give equal time? I guess for the largest broadcaster, the BBC, that equal time just means an attack statement from REMAIN and a defensive reply from LEAVE. Noticeable to me has been that the actual airtime did seem to be loaded more to REMAIN - interesting that this independent study confirms it.
    A rerun of the independence referendum coverage, though in that they often did not even bother with the defensive reply.
    Not being in Scotland at that time I would not know. The one little change of moving regulation of BBC to Ofcom, will eventually, improve this. In this age of digital speech analysis I would expect it to be possible for a fully independent assessment to be in place to report on large imbalances.
    BBC coverage and impartiality is very poor. They really need some proper regulation.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,027
    Mr. White, to continue the gimp suit zip colour line: once you're in the suit, how much power do you have to change the colours?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited May 2016

    Mr. F, *all* is stretching it too far. Some are more emotive, others more analytical. Reasoned arguments persuade some, emotional pleas others.

    Mr. Dancer, Some years ago I did some work looking at how senior executives come to decisions. What I thought I would find was that they weigh the evidence, seek out the facts. balance one thing with another, consider the overall objective they wanted to achieve and then decide. I was quite shocked to find very few of them do. Decisions are most commonly made very quickly on gut feel based on past experience and often ill-acknowledged prejudices. Evidence and data comes very low down the list, and was frequently ignored or belittled if it did not match the executive's mindset.

    Of course, big decisions in business and government are usually the result of lots of little decisions, so a narrative is created in the executive's mind which convinces him or her that they are on the right track.

    It is one of the reasons that I am convinced that most highly paid executives could be replaced with people with real experience in their business at much lower cost. To pick an example from these pages in recent days, SeanT mention that bloke from America who was brought over to run the Daily Telegraph. He didn't understand the business or the customers and buggered the whole thing up before he was finally sacked, but not before he inflicted, probably, irreparable damage. There are lots of other examples in recent UK industrial and government history.
    Completely agree. If anything, it gets worse the higher it goes IME.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    I have always thought that a large number of Labour voters would stay at home on 23rd June. This is primarily a fight on the right and with Corbyn so incompetent and discredited what real motivation is there to get involved? Great news for Leave and another reason to think they'll probably win. That said some Labour areas - London in particular - are likely to see higher than average turnout.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,661
    tyson said:

    Actually, now that I have just found out that Plato sleeps with 30 cats around makes me like her so much more. Someone who can show such compassion with our furry mammalian comrades is alright by me, even though she might have a thing for Donald Trump.

    PlatoSaid said:

    tyson said:

    I think you'd believe anything dearest Plato provided it was compatible with your rather warped, right wing, and quite frankly twisted prism of what you think the world should be. The fact that you support Trump so vehemently speaks volumes......

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ho hum

    Donald Trump Protester Speaks Out: “I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally” https://t.co/pMpl3WY1qC via @ABC News

    It just gets worse and worse. These were supposedly Democrats running this interference???

    “Almost all of the people I was protesting with I had seen at my interview and training class. At the rally, talking with some of them, I learned they only paid Latinos $500, Muslims $600 and African Americans $750. I don’t think they were looking for any Asians. Women and children were paid half of what the men got and illegals received $300 across the board. I think I was paid more than the other protesters because I was white and had taken classes in street fighting and boxing a few years back”
    It's just beyond WTF.
    Frankly, after you said here that you'd never knowingly be friends with a Tory, and fantasised about me in a threesome with Katie Hopkins and Anne Coulter - I think you're really weird.
    I think people who sleep with 30 cats do well not to apply weirdness to others...

    I must admit I struggle not to see your posts as an artful caricature. If I wanted to post on PB as a faux-compassionate but actually risibly superficial leftie sterotype, it would be you. I find Roger's posts below the line quite similar, but with a hint of smiling self-awareness.
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    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    Please elaborate.
    I imagine he means he's put it in the stove.
    in the hearth
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,052
    Does that work both ways Benedict? I think I work about 2 hours- not manual- a month and get very nicely rewarded thank you very much. And even doing that 2 hours is tough for me because I'd rather do other stuff like post here.

    I think I read somewhere that it would take about 100k for Bill Gates to take a few seconds to pick it up off the road. If it was any less it wouldn't be worth his effort.

    Capitalism is really unfair, it really is. Granted and accepted, we needed something that inspired a bit of competition to get humanity out of poverty, and get us somewhere, but capitalism will soon reach it's sell by date, and us humans will figure out something else to spread utility more efficiently.

    tyson said:

    What about mine in response...that Marxism really is a concept that was much too progressive and modern for 20th century politics, and will come to fruition when humanity has developed a little more.

    The concepts of inequality, hedonistic consumerism and capitalism will become redundant as humans realise that we are equal, have equal needs and wants, are compassionate, and collective.

    Academic support for my longstanding contention that Labour are an idea whose time has gone

    Indeed. If we don't exterminate ourselves in the meantime.

    The problem with Marxist analysis is that its wrong.

    People don't put equal effort in if they get the same out regardless.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    On one level, it was highly flammable - when people realised that Cameron and Osborne (and it is them) had put £9m of taxpayers banknotes under one corner of the table football, so the ball kept rolling away from Remain's goal and into the Leave net....

    From what I have been hearing, people REALLY did not like that. And what is ultra-stupid is that for many, it will rob a narrow Remain win of any legitimacy. All I can think is that they must have been seeing some VERY BAD INTERNAL POLLING....
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,661

    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    Please elaborate.
    I imagine he means he's put it in the stove.
    in the hearth
    I hope you weren't choked by billowing fumes of toxic mendacity.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    SeanT said:

    I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

    And it's bloody windy!

    Just the day for Cameron to go hand in hand with Khan skipping up a duo for Remain. The heart just hardens.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187
    SeanT said:

    I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

    Then it's your own fault for not being down in the SouthWest. Bloody gorgeous today...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771
    edited May 2016
    Scott_P said:

    so you'd rather waste your time and money in a shit club, in the full knowledge that you are going to have to go home anyway ?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,771

    SeanT said:

    I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

    Then it's your own fault for not being down in the SouthWest. Bloody gorgeous today...
    Hot in Warks too, the missus is sat out on the hammock
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    SeanT said:

    I concur with all the approving remarks about Roger's newest thread header. Turns out he is an excellent writer. Wry, cogent, sharp. Who knew??

    On topic, YES.

    Could be his wife typed it, with additions. ;)
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    SeanT said:

    I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

    Glorious in Wales and 21c. Have had sun hat on most of day and just moved chair into the shade as was too warm. Just sayin...
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    can confirm the government's propaganda leaflet is a very slow burner

    Please elaborate.
    I imagine he means he's put it in the stove.
    in the hearth
    I hope you weren't choked by billowing fumes of toxic mendacity.
    it burned too slowly for any billowing. any effect would have to have been insidious.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098



    There’s.... or was when I was concerned ..... a big debate about this in medicine. One would expect that consultants and GP's would make decisions in the manner which you suggest; in fact persauding some at least of the value of Evidence Based Medicine as opposed to personal experience was extremely difficult.

    Indeed my then GP failed to diagnose my cancer on the grounds of his personal experience and was most reluctant to send me for investigation.
    That was 5 years ago admittedly and I will know in a week or so when the operation and medication which wiser heads recommended have worked.

    Sorry to hear of your experience, Mr Cole, and I hope that the fat got pulled out of the fire in time. I am, however, not surprised that your GP fecked up - it has happened to several people I know, sometimes with fatal consequences.

    I have a theory that one of the big causes of health inequality in this country is nothing to do with lifestyle or relative poverty. It is because poorer people tend to be less well-educated, less self-confident and so more inclined to accept what their doctor says as gospel. I am certain I would have been dead nearly twenty years ago if I had passively listened to the specialist, the specialist FFS, when my kidneys went wonky. I remember the interview well, it was only after I told him he was talking out of his arse and that things were not proceeding well that he changed tack and treatment that I began to recover. I have had to do something similar with my current young GP too.
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    I have always thought that a large number of Labour voters would stay at home on 23rd June. This is primarily a fight on the right and with Corbyn so incompetent and discredited what real motivation is there to get involved? Great news for Leave and another reason to think they'll probably win. That said some Labour areas - London in particular - are likely to see higher than average turnout.

    Quite logical.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,187

    Scott_P said:

    so you'd rather waste your time and money in a shit club, in the full knowledge that you are going to have to go home anyway ?
    Yeah. They got fleeced by the bouncers, then found the decent totty was roped off in some area they could only dream of accessing.

    And the beer is piss.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,251
    SeanT said:

    I'VE GOT THE FUCKING HEATING ON

    Pah! I was wrapped up like an Eskimo the other day in front of a coal fire. I have been burning logs from the local park. And I have been suffering bronchitis. Last year it took 3 months to clear up so I hope this year will not be a repeat.

    The best thing about being at home is that I can see roses bloom: Gertrude Jekyll is particularly gorgeous.
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    it didn't produce much heat (or light) but that is just as well. it's quite warm in tridentland.
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Is Betfair still on 80% Leave. Maybe you'll all have a view on this. Personally I reckon bearing in mind factors such as the one in the thread header 75% is nearer the mark making it 3:1 rather than 4:1 chance.
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