The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
I suspect it's bollocks as I wouldn't believe a word BT say about anything. Also there are plenty of villages that do have high speed broadband, including my own. But we are also in the EU here in Worcestershire.
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
I suppose Alfie thinks Bangladesh is in the EU.
They are going to tske revenge on the establishment and middle classes who have benefitjed from policies that have caused the destruction of their way of life . I dont suppose they really care where the immigrants come from.
This is the ideal way to do it, no risk of electing a demagogue and if the doom warnings are true they have nothing so nothing to lose and can sit back and watch the wealthy hurting
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labouhile longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argumentst message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
The EU is being conflated with immigration in general, but the general problem is one of a political elite whose experience of immigration doesn't extend to fighting for an £8 per hour job, a council house, a decent school and prompt treatment at the GP/A and E etc.
Weak. It's 64 degrees in Camden Town currently, according to my Met Office app.
It sure doesn't feel like it. Gusty wind, no sun at all, rain to come, and people walking down my street in thick coats and jumpers. A girl just went past wrapped in an enormous scarf.
Pff, I say, PFFFF!
London has gone soft.
Of course it has. Stuffed full of Remainers. They may not ALL be c*nts as SeanT has opined, but Remainers certainly seem to be the sort of risk-averse safety-first do-what-Nanny-says types who are an evolutionary cul-de-sac.... Hyaenodon gigas that have settled for being raccoons...
It's Leaver SeanT who's turned his heating on. At the end of May. When it's 64 degrees outside.
Well if it hadn't been for all those stupid EU rules about using fossil fuels it would be at least 10F warmer and there would have been no need [/TIC]
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
I suppose Alfie thinks Bangladesh is in the EU.
They are going to tske revenge on the establishment and middle classes who have benefitjed from policies that have caused the destruction of their way of life . I dont suppose they really care where the immigrants come from.
This is the ideal way to do it, no risk of electing a demagogue and if the doom warnings are true they have nothing so nothing to lose and can sit back and watch the wealthy hurting
Not really. The wealthy will still be wealthy if we pull out of the EU. But lower levels of growth and reduced tax take will have a significant effect on people who rely on public services to get by.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.
Yep - "I can't do that because of health and safety" or "data protection means I can't do this" usually translates to "I can't be arsed".
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.
However the reversing of the burden of proof that was enacted in the Health and Safety Act 1974 is at the root of the insurers paranoia
Weak. It's 64 degrees in Camden Town currently, according to my Met Office app.
It sure doesn't feel like it. Gusty wind, no sun at all, rain to come, and people walking down my street in thick coats and jumpers. A girl just went past wrapped in an enormous scarf.
Pff, I say, PFFFF!
London has gone soft.
Of course it has. Stuffed full of Remainers. They may not ALL be c*nts as SeanT has opined, but Remainers certainly seem to be the sort of risk-averse safety-first do-what-Nanny-says types who are an evolutionary cul-de-sac.... Hyaenodon gigas that have settled for being raccoons...
It's Leaver SeanT who's turned his heating on. At the end of May. When it's 64 degrees outside.
Well if it hadn't been for all those stupid EU rules about using fossil fuels it would be at least 10F warmer and there would have been no need [/TIC]
"Ne'er cast a clout till May be out" - as we say outside London.
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labouhile longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argumentst message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Is the Council going to be reprimanded in any way, or is "clearly shouldn't have been used" all we are going to get?
That so many Remainers rubbished this and said it was a PhotoShop job just makes it sweeter. I doubt anything will be done myself. I remain amazed this stuff isn't produced by the EComm.
Is the Council going to be reprimanded in any way, or is "clearly shouldn't have been used" all we are going to get?
That so many Remainers rubbished this and said it was a PhotoShop job just makes it sweeter. I doubt anything will be done myself. I remain amazed this stuff isn't produced by the EComm.
I was skeptical at first, especially after seeing my own instructions. Glad it's only one area...
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt h Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things. EU legislation isn't mostly about Laal supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
That's not much help for people trying to run businesses in rural communities. And in this instance the issue appears to be true.
Osborne denies Brexit would bring more cash for superfast broadband
"George Osborne has denied that quitting the European Union would allow the Government to spend more cash on rolling out superfast broadband because EU state aid rules would not apply."
So my councillors tell me state aid is a delay factor, george says it isn't . Which one is lying ?
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
Lets start with auctions. The one that says that if you sell an artwork where the artists is living or died less than 75 years ago, they get a slice of the sale price. Net result business moves from London/Paris to New York. Brilliant.
Clinical trial directive. Trials move from UK to third world where no doubt treatment is good where issues arise.
There are more examples of ill thought out regulation there as well.
Personally I wouldn't bother with EU Labour law as I can't see it makes much of a difference. It's ignored in odd ways anyway.
SouthamObserver - what services do poor people get?
Very few specifically. But if you are on a low income you are more dependent than the better off on a range of services from subsidised public transport to after school clubs for your kids.
Mr. White, I am pleased your blog recognises the clearly independent IMF's conclusion that leaving the EU will cause dragons to infest Britain and eat everyone who does not worship them.
Quite.
Actually Andrew Neil pointed out the the CBI that their own forecast of out looked quite good. Also the remainers never look at the downside risk if remain.
Weak. It's 64 degrees in Camden Town currently, according to my Met Office app.
It sure doesn't feel like it. Gusty wind, no sun at all, rain to come, and people walking down my street in thick coats and jumpers. A girl just went past wrapped in an enormous scarf.
Pff, I say, PFFFF!
London has gone soft.
Of course it has. Stuffed full of Remainers. They may not ALL be c*nts as SeanT has opined, but Remainers certainly seem to be the sort of risk-averse safety-first do-what-Nanny-says types who are an evolutionary cul-de-sac.... Hyaenodon gigas that have settled for being raccoons...
It's Leaver SeanT who's turned his heating on. At the end of May. When it's 64 degrees outside.
Well if it hadn't been for all those stupid EU rules about using fossil fuels it would be at least 10F warmer and there would have been no need [/TIC]
"Ne'er cast a clout till May be out" - as we say outside London.
Of course, those of us outside London IN THE COUNTRY know that May refers to the mayflower being in bloom, and not the Home Secretary getting the axe...
There’s.... or was when I was concerned ..... a big debate about this in medicine. One would expect that consultants and GP's would make decisions in the manner which you suggest; in fact persauding some at least of the value of Evidence Based Medicine as opposed to personal experience was extremely difficult.
Indeed my then GP failed to diagnose my cancer on the grounds of his personal experience and was most reluctant to send me for investigation. That was 5 years ago admittedly and I will know in a week or so when the operation and medication which wiser heads recommended have worked.
Sorry to hear of your experience, Mr Cole, and I hope that the fat got pulled out of the fire in time. I am, however, not surprised that your GP fecked up - it has happened to several people I know, sometimes with fatal consequences.
I have a theory that one of the big causes of health inequality in this country is nothing to do with lifestyle or relative poverty. It is because poorer people tend to be less well-educated, less self-confident and so more inclined to accept what their doctor says as gospel. I am certain I would have been dead nearly twenty years ago if I had passively listened to the specialist, the specialist FFS, when my kidneys went wonky. I remember the interview well, it was only after I told him he was talking out of his arse and that things were not proceeding well that he changed tack and treatment that I began to recover. I have had to do something similar with my current young GP too.
I fear that is precisely the case. It's why we need to get a public school attitude of self confidence in every school in the land, so that people take themselves as a reasonable authority and don't blindly follow others.
However my current GP is very good.
The Press and this government are taking on public school education as something socially undesirable. If you want to have leaders in all sections of society you have to provide the foundations for self confidence. Avoiding arrogance, of course.
Quite. You don't get self confidence in state schools pupils by removing it from public school ones. You only get it from giving self confidence to state school pupils.
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
And it gets worse. The Chinese just employ a graphic designer to do their CE marking. (And no, a lot don't do the testing)
The Electoral Commission has told Bristol council not to use it again. But with reports of similar leaflets dropping on doormats around the country it may be too late to do anything about it.
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt h Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things. EU legislation isn't mostly about Laal supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities waps.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
That's not much help for people trying to run businesses in rural communities. And in this instance the issue appears to be true.
Osborne denies Brexit would bring more cash for superfast broadband
"George Osborne has denied that quitting the European Union would allow the Government to spend more cash on rolling out superfast broadband because EU state aid rules would not apply."
So my councillors tell me state aid is a delay factor, george says it isn't . Which one is lying ?
Quitting would not bring more cash because the government does not want to subsidise BT.
Hmm. I'm in Cardiff half a world away from the Rhondda (!). It's a tricky one to call really. There's a lot of automatic "vote what Labour says" I'm sure, and Plaid are very pro Remain. Also there's a lot if European money spent (compared to wealthier bits of the UK). On the other hand immigration I doubt will play well and P Talbot is a localish known unknown in the mix. I'm guessing slightly Remain on a low turnout.
I have relatives in the Valleys (proper Valleys mind, not Cardiff/Swansea/Port Talbot).
During the Greece kerfuffle they saw a centre-right blue-clad woman from one country impose fiscal rectitude (with concomitant unemployment and poverty) on a working class country that spoke a different language...
...so go on, have a guess what they thought...
I'll be surprised if the Valleys don't go majority LEAVE, possibly higher than that.
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.
The thread header is a variation on the theme I've been running for weeks, its ambivalent labour voters who will abstain and hand it to Leave. Cameron is relying on people who dislike him to save his political career. Actually make them elongate his political career, he's finished regardless, a win for Remain just keeps him in office a while longer.
Tory Remainers are left using the argument that Labour voters should vote Remain to keep Cameron in a job because most of their Tory colleagues who might replace him are nastier. Not the greatest message.
The most perplexing for me is Cameron arguing we need the EU to protect us from a Tory HMG on workers' rights.
WTF?
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory government has based its entire economic and fiscal policy on ongoing high levels of immigration, as well as increased private borrowing, while doing nothing to rebalance the economy or to help manufacturing - so maybe not worse, but certainly not any better. And the Tory Leavers are all signed up to that and to further reductions in the power of trade unions. They also want to leave the EU to cut red tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
And it gets worse. The Chinese just employ a graphic designer to do their CE marking. (And no, a lot don't do the testing)
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
That is at least partly true. However once you remove the EU you also remove the excuses.
As Alfie said, Cameron promised to get immigration down, but non EU immigration swamps Cameron's promise. So come June 23rd, he is going to give the whole establishment the finger. Makes you proud to be British!
and yet any subsidy still requires permission. Why?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.
The former maybe, If you voted for Blair in 1997 the odds are you will be voting Remain
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.
Actually it usually isn't.
They start with Health and Safety, then when they get told not, not us gov they then cite insurance. The insurance companies are seldom actually consulted and are not about to go on air unless invited. I asked the HSE about PAT tests, they said you don't need them, the PAT tester said "Ah but your insurer will" so I asked the insurer who said "not us either".
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
We could celebrate the fact that we did better than the rest of the EU.
But I see no reason to celebrate the fact the rest of the EU is doing badly. I see no reason to celebrate the fact that means we paid more. Especially given the EU SHOULD be growing faster than us but it isn't.
Just tells you he knows he's toast if Leave wins and that his replacement will seek to hammer British workers.
Could a Tory govt hammer british workers any harder than the last Labour one ?]
Stagnating wages, no house building, wrecked pensions, destruction of manufacturing, mass immigration and the biggest recession ever. Hard to top that frankly.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.
Yep - "I can't do that because of health and safety" or "data protection means I can't do this" usually translates to "I can't be arsed".
I called the student loan company to ask their definition of a dependent and they would not answer me until I passed data protection as if the definition was somehow related to anyone in particulars data that required protection. There are some morons out there.
Well, the current Tory gov tape. I wonder what that could mean apart from reducing the statutory rights of employees.
It could mean lots of things.
EU legislation isn't mostly about Labour law.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
I would not count on that going post-Brexit. It won't for any manufacturer that exports to the EEA.
Maybe maybe not, but those people who dont sell to the EU won't have to bother with it.
Why not try high speed broadband which is 3 years late getting in to my village and where BT, my parish coucillor, my district councillor and my county councillor stood in front of our village to say approval by EU competition authorities was one of the main hold ups.
I suspect this is true as Osborne denied it.
In my experience the EU is often used by incompetent people to excuse their incompetence. In much the same way as lazy people use health and safety or political correctness to get away with not doing their jobs properly.
The head of the HSE often comes on air to explain that it is usually insurance concerns and nothing to do with H&S that some bonkers rule is in place.
Actually it usually isn't.
They start with Health and Safety, then when they get told not, not us gov they then cite insurance. The insurance companies are seldom actually consulted and are not about to go on air unless invited. I asked the HSE about PAT tests, they said you don't need them, the PAT tester said "Ah but your insurer will" so I asked the insurer who said "not us either".
The point being it is very rarely the HSE (I remember it culminated when people weren't allowed on Henman Hill at Wimbledon for some spurious reason).
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.
As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
We could celebrate the fact that we did better than the rest of the EU.
But I see no reason to celebrate the fact the rest of the EU is doing badly. I see no reason to celebrate the fact that means we paid more. Especially given the EU SHOULD be growing faster than us but it isn't.
We should celebrate the fact that we are in a club which looks after its members.
and yet any subsidy still requires permission. Why?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
We are signed up to the single market. It has rules. This is precisely the argument, isn't it? I think that ceding a certain amount of sovereignty is worth it. You don't. But the EU is not preventing high speed internet making it into rural areas.
Hmm. I'm in Cardiff half a world away from the Rhondda (!). It's a tricky one to call really. There's a lot of automatic "vote what Labour says" I'm sure, and Plaid are very pro Remain. Also there's a lot if European money spent (compared to wealthier bits of the UK). On the other hand immigration I doubt will play well and P Talbot is a localish known unknown in the mix. I'm guessing slightly Remain on a low turnout.
I have relatives in the Valleys (proper Valleys mind, not Cardiff/Swansea/Port Talbot).
During the Greece kerfuffle they saw a centre-right blue-clad woman from one country impose fiscal rectitude (with concomitant unemployment and poverty) on a working class country that spoke a different language...
...so go on, have a guess what they thought...
I'll be surprised if the Valleys don't go majority LEAVE, possibly higher than that.
Quite. But there are forces pulling the other way too. I don't think there will be huge amounts in it here either way, but I'd be surprised if Wales was as pro Remain as I suspect Scotland will be.
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
We could celebrate the fact that we did better than the rest of the EU.
But I see no reason to celebrate the fact the rest of the EU is doing badly. I see no reason to celebrate the fact that means we paid more. Especially given the EU SHOULD be growing faster than us but it isn't.
We should celebrate the fact that we are in a club which looks after its members.
Except it is not looking after its members. If it was then developing nations within the club would be growing faster than us (like developing nations outside the club) and so our contributions would be going down.
As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.
As if we have a bigger black market than the likes of Italy and Eastern Europe ...
If you look upon the contributions to the EU as a 'free market tax' then the tax is paid on turnover, not profit. Somehow I don't think those multi-national companies promoting membership of the EU would like their businesses to be taxed on turnover rather than profit.
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
Gibraltar is up to the Gibralterians. Northern Ireland is up to the Northern Irish and Scotland is up to Scots. I am not that bothered about Gibraltar, but I hope the UK stays together. A good reason to vote Remain.
and yet any subsidy still requires permission. Why?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
We are signed up to the single market. It has rules. This is precisely the argument, isn't it? I think that ceding a certain amount of sovereignty is worth it. You don't. But the EU is not preventing high speed internet making it into rural areas.
This is not an area for the EU we have our own authorities in place who are capable of making decisions.
And yes it is delaying the decision even if your blog is correct and it is "only" month then why should people in rural communities have to wait an extra month - you wouldnt accept it why should I ? Not that I actually take a blog from the EU as gospel any more than I would one from Osborne.
And yes the current govt is simply continuing Labours polices at a slower rate which is why they have a problem with their traditional supporters
So what are the big areas of red tape that can be cut outside of labour law?
There are quite a few in my area manufacturing which just get dumped on us, try CE marking and ask what value it adds to have to employ a consultant to get you through it. Especially if you are a small company.
And it gets worse. The Chinese just employ a graphic designer to do their CE marking. (And no, a lot don't do the testing)
As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.
As if we have a bigger black market than the likes of Italy and Eastern Europe ...
Could be wrong, but I think it was a unilateral choice by the UK's statistics authority.
No it was not. All nations were supposed to estimate it, we probably estimated it more honestly than other nations did so were penalised for that.
Not quite as simple as that, it seems:
But experts at the Centre for Economics and Business Research, who produced the World Economic League Table, noted that France did not include the sex work and illegal drugs in its estimations.
It added that, if it did, there was a possibility that it might retake its fifth place position - and that the UK might drop down to sixth.
France does not include prostitution and illegal drugs in calculations as it does not believe they constitute 'voluntary commercial activity', adding that they are often tied to criminal networks.
He was asked to leave, good, but plod charged him with "displaying abusive writing... likely to cause distress"....really...wouldn't a quiet word with him informing he was a wanker and not to wear it again in public have been enough?
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
Gibraltar is up to the Gibralterians. Northern Ireland is up to the Northern Irish and Scotland is up to Scots. I am not that bothered about Gibraltar, but I hope the UK stays together. A good reason to vote Remain.
No reason at all to vote Remain - just scaremongering. The Gibraltarians could vote to become part of Spain at anytime - and I think there was a groundswell of opinion in England that they wouldn't mind Scotland going - during the Sindy ref.
On one level, it was highly flammable - when people realised that Cameron and Osborne (and it is them) had put £9m of taxpayers banknotes under one corner of the table football, so the ball kept rolling away from Remain's goal and into the Leave net....
From what I have been hearing, people REALLY did not like that. And what is ultra-stupid is that for many, it will rob a narrow Remain win of any legitimacy. All I can think is that they must have been seeing some VERY BAD INTERNAL POLLING....
Alternatively, Mr Mark, they just think that they can do whatever they like and get away with it.
After all, that is what they did in the general election a year ago, and they still haven`t paid the price.
So much for innocent until proven guilty.
That is probably why the Tories are trying to drag it out, and make it difficult for the authorities to get hold of the evidence against them. If they were innocent, they would have nothing to fear, as somebody once said in a different context.
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
On one level, it was highly flammable - when people realised that Cameron and Osborne (and it is them) had put £9m of taxpayers banknotes under one corner of the table football, so the ball kept rolling away from Remain's goal and into the Leave net....
From what I have been hearing, people REALLY did not like that. And what is ultra-stupid is that for many, it will rob a narrow Remain win of any legitimacy. All I can think is that they must have been seeing some VERY BAD INTERNAL POLLING....
Alternatively, Mr Mark, they just think that they can do whatever they like and get away with it.
After all, that is what they did in the general election a year ago, and they still haven`t paid the price.
So much for innocent until proven guilty.
That is probably why the Tories are trying to drag it out, and make it difficult for the authorities to get hold of the evidence against them. If they were innocent, they would have nothing to fear, as somebody once said in a different context.
Last I heard the Tories had complied with the evidence requests.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.
Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting
As I remember, the UK economy did better than expected which by some formula or other meant it had to increase its contribution to the EU pot.
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
The boost to measured GDP came from including the drugs trade and prostitution, IIRC.
As if we have a bigger black market than the likes of Italy and Eastern Europe ...
Could be wrong, but I think it was a unilateral choice by the UK's statistics authority.
No it was not. All nations were supposed to estimate it, we probably estimated it more honestly than other nations did so were penalised for that.
Not quite as simple as that, it seems:
But experts at the Centre for Economics and Business Research, who produced the World Economic League Table, noted that France did not include the sex work and illegal drugs in its estimations.
It added that, if it did, there was a possibility that it might retake its fifth place position - and that the UK might drop down to sixth.
France does not include prostitution and illegal drugs in calculations as it does not believe they constitute 'voluntary commercial activity', adding that they are often tied to criminal networks.
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So we get penalised for being more honest in calculating our black market. Idiotic idea.
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
More likely that Ireland will have a referendum about leaving the EU.
If you had said that before it joined the Euro, I'd've agreed with you. But post-Euro it can't leave, for the same reason Greece can't - it makes them automatically poor overnight. They've wargamed leaving the EU but keeping the Euro...and the results aren't great.
This is why the Irish government is running it's own pro-REMAIN campaign.
and yet any subsidy still requires permission. Why?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
We are signed up to the single market. It has rules. This is precisely the argument, isn't it? I think that ceding a certain amount of sovereignty is worth it. You don't. But the EU is not preventing high speed internet making it into rural areas.
This is not an area for the EU we have our own authorities in place who are capable of making decisions.
And yes it is delaying the decision even if your blog is correct and it is "only" month then why should people in rural communities have to wait an extra month - you wouldnt accept it why should I ? Not that I actually take a blog from the EU as gospel any more than I would one from Osborne.
Who is to say they wouldn't have to wait anyway? But I agree with you. If you feel that having this decided at UK level is more important than being a full part of the single market then you should vote Leave and hope the Brexit deal does not give Brussels continuing control over this.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.
Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting
Good to know, thank you. I shall watch out for more.
We are signed up to the single market. It has ruls.
This is not an area for the EU we have our own authorities in place who are capable of making decisions.
And yes it is delaying the decision even if your blog is correct and it is "only" month then why should people in rural communities have to wait an extra month - you wouldnt accept it why should I ? Not that I actually take a blog from the EU as gospel any more than I would one from Osborne.
Who is to say they wouldn't have to wait anyway? But I agree with you. If you feel that having this decided at UK level is more important than being a full part of the single market then you should vote Leave and hope the Brexit deal does not give Brussels continuing control over this.
Streaming Game of Thrones or access to the single matket ?
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
More likely that Ireland will have a referendum about leaving the EU.
If you had said that before it joined the Euro, I'd've agreed with you. But post-Euro it can't leave, for the same reason Greece can't - it makes them automatically poor overnight. They've wargamed leaving the EU but keeping the Euro...and the results aren't great.
This is why the Irish government is running it's own pro-REMAIN campaign.
Ireland will have to put up its corporation tax to 15% if they remain in the EU.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.
Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
More likely that Ireland will have a referendum about leaving the EU.
If you had said that before it joined the Euro, I'd've agreed with you. But post-Euro it can't leave, for the same reason Greece can't - it makes them automatically poor overnight. They've wargamed leaving the EU but keeping the Euro...and the results aren't great.
This is why the Irish government is running it's own pro-REMAIN campaign.
Ireland will have to put up its corporation tax to 15% if they remain in the EU.
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.
The former maybe, If you voted for Blair in 1997 the odds are you will be voting Remain
If you voted in 1997 and carried on voting, perhaps. If you defected to the Libdems after Iraq certainly.
But if you voted for Blair in 1997 thinking you would get a Labour government that would put the native working class first sfter 18 years of Tory abuse, and then looked in horror to discover that Labour had become politically correct Tory Lite and then stopped bothering to vote - somewhat unlikely you will vote Remain.
It will not have gone unnoticed that virtually the whole political and managerial class is pro Remain and the bonus - unlike say in the Austrian election - is that you can knee these people where it hurts on June 23rd with no risk of a demagogic nutter coming to power due to your vote.
SouthamObserver - so poor people don't get any extra services?
Services specifically for the poor, as opposed to social security, no I don't think so. They just depend more on public services that in theory are available to all and often get access to them at reduced rates.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.
Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting
Labour GOTV.
I wouldnt bank on it. They got their vote out before the election last year which was quite a high turnout and only students and others moving house would have had to reregister since then.
I suspect - as with indyref it is people who have not voted for years or decades and I cant see them voting pro the political classes view.
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.
The former maybe, If you voted for Blair in 1997 the odds are you will be voting Remain
If you voted in 1997 and carried on voting, perhaps. If you defected to the Libdems after Iraq certainly.
But if you voted for Blair in 1997 thinking you would get a Labour government that would put the native working class first sfter 18 years of Tory abuse, and then looked in horror to discover that Labour had become politically correct Tory Lite and then stopped bothering to vote - somewhat unlikely you will vote Remain.
It will not have gone unnoticed that virtually the whole political and managerial class is pro Remain and the bonus - unlike say in the Austrian election - is that you can knee these people where it hurts on June 23rd with no risk of a demagogic nutter coming to power due to your vote.
The wealthy will still be wealthy post-Brexit. The establishment will still be in place. The political and managerial class will not change.
So, Brexit could end with Scottish independence, the reunification of Ireland and, now, Gibraltar ceding its sovereignty to Spain (according to its first minister):
More likely that Ireland will have a referendum about leaving the EU.
If you had said that before it joined the Euro, I'd've agreed with you. But post-Euro it can't leave, for the same reason Greece can't - it makes them automatically poor overnight. They've wargamed leaving the EU but keeping the Euro...and the results aren't great.
This is why the Irish government is running it's own pro-REMAIN campaign.
Ireland will have to put up its corporation tax to 15% if they remain in the EU.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
Got a source for that? Conversely, do you have numbers for previous refs and regstrations? It's a genuine question (I'm not poo-pooing it, so don't get upset) - it's such a good idea for a forward indicator I'm genuinely interested.
Something I heard on the local news. Much higher voter registrations than they were expecting
Labour GOTV.
I wouldnt bank on it. They got their vote out before the election last year which was quite a high turnout and only students and others moving house would have had to reregister since then.
I suspect - as with indyref it is people who have not voted for years or decades and I cant see them voting pro the political classes view.
Of course Boris is the very essence of the political classes.
These are the people who will deliver Brexit. I suspect many have not voted since 1997 but they sure will be voting on 23rd June.
Voter registration is up. This isn't usually a vote of confidence in the status quo is it?
All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.
The former maybe, If you voted for Blair in 1997 the odds are you will be voting Remain
If you voted in 1997 and carried on voting, perhaps. If you defected to the Libdems after Iraq certainly.
But if you voted for Blair in 1997 thinking you would get a Labour government that would put the native working class first sfter 18 years of Tory abuse, and then looked in horror to discover that Labour had become politically correct Tory Lite and then stopped bothering to vote - somewhat unlikely you will vote Remain.
It will not have gone unnoticed that virtually the whole political and managerial class is pro Remain and the bonus - unlike say in the Austrian election - is that you can knee these people where it hurts on June 23rd with no risk of a demagogic nutter coming to power due to your vote.
More likely you have switched to UKIP by now, if you have not voted since you are unlikely to be voting no now. You could equally argue many of the workers rights now in employment law came from the EU and if you vote for Brexit and end up with a rightwing Tory as PM the managerial class will do just fine, you maybe less so
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This is the ideal way to do it, no risk of electing a demagogue and if the doom warnings are true they have nothing so nothing to lose and can sit back and watch the wealthy hurting
Clinton has cancelled a day of campaigning in NJ this week and will instead return to California for 5 days ahead of the June 7 primary.
itv.com/news/west/2016-04-13/eu-to-review-tax-change-which-could-put-west-country-cider-makers-out-of-business/
Electoral Commission says 'biased' EU postal voting guide "clearly shouldn't have been used" https://t.co/JuXBn0p0E3 https://t.co/YNctL7lgxU
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160530IPR29683/Civil-Liberties-Committee-backs-new-European-Border-and-Coast-Guard
Integrated Boarder Coastguard and Agency for EU.
Osborne denies Brexit would bring more cash for superfast broadband
"George Osborne has denied that quitting the European Union would allow the Government to spend more cash on rolling out superfast broadband because EU state aid rules would not apply."
So my councillors tell me state aid is a delay factor, george says it isn't . Which one is lying ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36411509
Clinical trial directive. Trials move from UK to third world where no doubt treatment is good where issues arise.
There are more examples of ill thought out regulation there as well.
Personally I wouldn't bother with EU Labour law as I can't see it makes much of a difference. It's ignored in odd ways anyway.
Quite.
Actually Andrew Neil pointed out the the CBI that their own forecast of out looked quite good. Also the remainers never look at the downside risk if remain.
"The placement of a pen graphic is entirely incidental and we do not believe that anybody could reasonably be influenced by such a graphic.
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So make them send out 47000 fresh postal vote applications with the pen pointing to leave - after all - it won't influence anyone?
Make the punishment fit the crime.
Remember this...he did of course pay...#mostsincerely https://t.co/WbUntdjOR9
There's no further detail on this.
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/
During the Greece kerfuffle they saw a centre-right blue-clad woman from one country impose fiscal rectitude (with concomitant unemployment and poverty) on a working class country that spoke a different language...
...so go on, have a guess what they thought...
I'll be surprised if the Valleys don't go majority LEAVE, possibly higher than that.
All those people who voted for Major and didn't vote in 1997 combined with those that voted for Blair in 1997 who stopped voting between then and 2010. They are not delirious with the status quo I expect.
Dan Hodges
Here's the full Jackie Walker piece where she implies Sadiq Khan is part of a Zionist conspiracy https://t.co/ZUH6i6i4aT
Quitting would not bring more cash because the government does not want to subsidise BT.
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/
and yet any subsidy still requires permission. Why?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
They start with Health and Safety, then when they get told not, not us gov they then cite insurance. The insurance companies are seldom actually consulted and are not about to go on air unless invited. I asked the HSE about PAT tests, they said you don't need them, the PAT tester said "Ah but your insurer will" so I asked the insurer who said "not us either".
We should all celebrate this win-win situation.
http://www.abc.es/internacional/abci-gibraltar-amenaza-unirse-espana-si-reino-unido-vota-brexit-201605282146_noticia.html
But I see no reason to celebrate the fact the rest of the EU is doing badly. I see no reason to celebrate the fact that means we paid more. Especially given the EU SHOULD be growing faster than us but it isn't.
https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/
and yet any subsidy still requires permission. Why?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
We are signed up to the single market. It has rules. This is precisely the argument, isn't it? I think that ceding a certain amount of sovereignty is worth it. You don't. But the EU is not preventing high speed internet making it into rural areas.
shall I count you as Leave ?
So Muslims are being dragged into this whole Zionist conspiracy thing now?
I wonder if the new law banning psycho active drugs will help?
Reasons That Leave Will Lose?
If the citizens of an EU state decide they want to upgrade their infrastructure and are paying for it themselves then what business is it of the EU in the first place ?
We are signed up to the single market. It has rules. This is precisely the argument, isn't it? I think that ceding a certain amount of sovereignty is worth it. You don't. But the EU is not preventing high speed internet making it into rural areas.
This is not an area for the EU we have our own authorities in place who are capable of making decisions.
And yes it is delaying the decision even if your blog is correct and it is "only" month then why should people in rural communities have to wait an extra month - you wouldnt accept it why should I ? Not that I actually take a blog from the EU as gospel any more than I would one from Osborne.
But experts at the Centre for Economics and Business Research, who produced the World Economic League Table, noted that France did not include the sex work and illegal drugs in its estimations.
It added that, if it did, there was a possibility that it might retake its fifth place position - and that the UK might drop down to sixth.
France does not include prostitution and illegal drugs in calculations as it does not believe they constitute 'voluntary commercial activity', adding that they are often tied to criminal networks.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/05/man-carrying-isis-flag-near-parliament-not-arrested-police-criticised
Knob head wearing offense t-shirt over Hillsborough...
Worcester man charged after wearing offensive Hillsborough T-shirt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-36412814
He was asked to leave, good, but plod charged him with "displaying abusive writing... likely to cause distress"....really...wouldn't a quiet word with him informing he was a wanker and not to wear it again in public have been enough?
This is why the Irish government is running it's own pro-REMAIN campaign.
This is not an area for the EU we have our own authorities in place who are capable of making decisions.
And yes it is delaying the decision even if your blog is correct and it is "only" month then why should people in rural communities have to wait an extra month - you wouldnt accept it why should I ? Not that I actually take a blog from the EU as gospel any more than I would one from Osborne.
Who is to say they wouldn't have to wait anyway? But I agree with you. If you feel that having this decided at UK level is more important than being a full part of the single market then you should vote Leave and hope the Brexit deal does not give Brussels continuing control over this.
And yes it is delaying the decision even if your blog is correct and it is "only" month then why should people in rural communities have to wait an extra month - you wouldnt accept it why should I ? Not that I actually take a blog from the EU as gospel any more than I would one from Osborne.
Who is to say they wouldn't have to wait anyway? But I agree with you. If you feel that having this decided at UK level is more important than being a full part of the single market then you should vote Leave and hope the Brexit deal does not give Brussels continuing control over this.
Streaming Game of Thrones or access to the single matket ?
GOT wins.
https://twitter.com/ericboehlert/status/737327105617334273
But if you voted for Blair in 1997 thinking you would get a Labour government that would put the native working class first sfter 18 years of Tory abuse, and then looked in horror to discover that Labour had become politically correct Tory Lite and then stopped bothering to vote - somewhat unlikely you will vote Remain.
It will not have gone unnoticed that virtually the whole political and managerial class is pro Remain and the bonus - unlike say in the Austrian election - is that you can knee these people where it hurts on June 23rd with no risk of a demagogic nutter coming to power due to your vote.
I suspect - as with indyref it is people who have not voted for years or decades and I cant see them voting pro the political classes view.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/30/council-to-pulp-eu-referendum-postal-ballots-as-bias-row-spreads/