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  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    I think that's the point, to some extent. Priorities in policing are inherently political.

    There's at least one good Carswell article explaining the motivation for this very well.
    Douglas is PRO PCCs and as usual makes his case well. I'm just wary of people instinctively voting for "the labour woman" or "the ukip bloke".

    The reason I endorsed Bolton is he's ex police and army and having met him is a good man, not because he's Ukip. I couldn't be sure that applies to everybody.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    There's a chance the poor old dears might get confused about which party to vote for.

    https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1/status/727126842713509888
    To what extent is the Tory surge linked to Davidson personally?

    I'm wondering whether we should expect the Tory surge to carry over to the next Westminster election in Scotland. If it's about a genuine move back to the Tories (perhaps because unionists who previously voted SNP for their competence in places like the North East, now leaving because independence has become a more realistic prospect), then presumably we should expect gains in Scotland in 2020. If it's more a personal vote for Davidson then presumably it won't carry over much into 2020 since no-one would think she'd be part of a Westminster Tory government.
  • Are all pensioners placed by polling companies in the "E" category of non working?

    Bounce this one up. Anyone have an answer?
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    edited May 2016
    TOPPING said:

    What we really need is more unaccountable bureaucrats.

    Said everyone.
    But seriously, why would we want a non-expert greasy pole climber to be in charge of certain aspects of policing? It's bizarre

    There are already various watchdogs such as the IPCC, plus the elected government of the day makes the laws the police uphold, and runs police policy generally. I really don't think that chief constables are too restrained by Westminster not to be able to act locally, surely this is part of their professional remit and I have no reason to believe that they are not highly capable already. Why do they need somebody else with their own agenda interfering?

    Equally the national direction of police policy set by the Home Office should in any case NOT allow too much local freedom - a postcode lottery on the law? No thanks.

    Anyway don't listen to me - the derisory turnouts for these elections speak volumes about what people think of these elections and the people thereby elected - not a fat lot.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,502

    What a berk.

    'Nigel Farage says he would have been killed by the 'hard-left' if it wasn't for his £15,000 a day taxpayer-funded bodyguards'

    http://tinyurl.com/zr7y9la

    He may be correct.

    The caring pacifist Left can be pretty violent.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Danny565 said:

    To what extent is the Tory surge linked to Davidson personally?

    I'm wondering whether we should expect the Tory surge to carry over to the next Westminster election in Scotland. If it's about a genuine move back to the Tories (perhaps because unionists who previously voted SNP for their competence in places like the North East, now leaving because independence has become a more realistic prospect), then presumably we should expect gains in Scotland in 2020. If it's more a personal vote for Davidson then presumably it won't carry over much into 2020 since no-one would think she'd be part of a Westminster Tory government.
    Get them to vote Ruth first, and then they'll find they are voting Tory and the whole concept won't seem toxic next time round.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    What a berk.

    'Nigel Farage says he would have been killed by the 'hard-left' if it wasn't for his £15,000 a day taxpayer-funded bodyguards'

    http://tinyurl.com/zr7y9la

    Farage pointed out on Daily Politics that the £15,000 per day example was for policing a UKIP event not for his personal protection. Farage says the UK state will not pay for him to be protected despite threats against him and so he has personal protection paid for by privately raised UKIP funds, an undisclosed amount.

  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    @richardtyndall

    Well actually it means reducing the size of the state, specifically the number of politicians, their title and responsibilities are up for debate. I was with Mark Reckless when he spoke of policing in the 19th century, policing by consent, he really is an interesting man.

    On reflection and having read what Herdson and Plato say, I'm not entirely anti PCC I'm anti political affiliation.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2016

    Get them to vote Ruth first, and then they'll find they are voting Tory and the whole concept won't seem toxic next time round.
    It could work out that way, but I don't think it's necessarily automatic. I mean, many Londoners who voted Boris still evidently think voting Tory is "toxic" if Boris isn't on the ticket.

    But that's why I'm asking whether the Scottish Tories' success is a Boris-style personal vote for Davidson, or whether it's a fundamental swing to the Tories. It's hard to tell from this side of the border, and the mainstream media's coverage of Scottish politics remains as poor as ever.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Sean_F said:

    He may be correct.

    The caring pacifist Left can be pretty violent.
    Having run the gauntlet of lovely protestors he might be right
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016

    But seriously, why would we want a non-expert greasy pole climber to be in charge of certain aspects of policing? It's bizarre

    There are already various watchdogs such as the IPCC, plus the elected government of the day makes the laws the police uphold, and runs police policy generally. I really don't think that chief constables are too restrained by Westminster not to be able to act locally, surely this is part of their professional remit and I have no reason to believe that they are not highly capable already. Why do they need somebody else with their own agenda interfering?

    Equally the national direction of police policy set by the Home Office should in any case NOT allow too much local freedom - a postcode lottery on the law? No thanks.

    Anyway don't listen to me - the derisory turnouts for these elections speak volumes about what people think of these elections and the people thereby elected - not a fat lot.
    The police forces already differ from each other on many areas in response to local priorities - be it illegal raves, drugs, ASB, speed cameras or whatever. Local citizens need a democratic route to have their say. What's needed in Peckham is totally different to Eastbourne.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,761

    Republican Attitudes on Climate Change Thaw:
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601354/republican-attitudes-on-climate-change-thaw/#/set/id/601376/
    "This new willingness to recognize reality stems partly from the fact that a strong majority of American voters view climate change deniers as flat-earthers. ...it’s also driven by the fact that many clean energy jobs are located in Republican congressional districts."

    I find it quite bizarre that the American Right allowed itself to be painted into this idealogical anti-science corner in the first place. Any sign that they're moving towards an acceptance of reality has got to be a good one!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,678

    The police forces already differ from each other on many areas in response to local priorities - be it illegal raves, drugs, ASB, speed cameras or whatever. Local citizens need a democratic route to have their say. What's needed in Peckham is totally different to Eastbourne.
    So in an area full of druggies, they vote in a candidate who advocates turning a blind eye. People power, I suppose.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    There's a chance the poor old dears might get confused about which party to vote for.

    https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1/status/727126842713509888

    Will the Conservative name and logo appear on the voting slip against the names of their candidates?
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275

    I now think there's a chance of running it close, but Winter Is Coming from Monday.

    The barrage will make the Battle of Berlin look like a light dusting.
    You mean more like the Obama stardust. I expect some of us will be laughing.

    Seriously, I do wonder whether REMAIN has peaked far too early and the scare stories will face the law of diminishing returns.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307

    There's a chance the poor old dears might get confused about which party to vote for.

    https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1/status/727126842713509888
    Are they real voters or just spads, or councillors etc.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    I agree. It would be nice to see any politician doing it, to be honest.
    Especially someone who says he is the man to take the fight to the extremists.

    So has he done this? Anti-semitism has not just flared up in the last week. Will he do so?

    Dunno: all I have to go on is his past behaviour. It doesn't suggest someone at all concerned about these problems, except in so far as they might affect his chances of election.

    Maybe I'm being cynical.

    If he's elected, let's see what his record on this question is.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    Sean_F said:

    He may be correct.

    The caring pacifist Left can be pretty violent.
    He should maybe rethink his security supplier if they missed the great loosened wheel nuts assassination attempt of 2015.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307

    But seriously, why would we want a non-expert greasy pole climber to be in charge of certain aspects of policing? It's bizarre

    There are already various watchdogs such as the IPCC, plus the elected government of the day makes the laws the police uphold, and runs police policy generally. I really don't think that chief constables are too restrained by Westminster not to be able to act locally, surely this is part of their professional remit and I have no reason to believe that they are not highly capable already. Why do they need somebody else with their own agenda interfering?

    Equally the national direction of police policy set by the Home Office should in any case NOT allow too much local freedom - a postcode lottery on the law? No thanks.

    Anyway don't listen to me - the derisory turnouts for these elections speak volumes about what people think of these elections and the people thereby elected - not a fat lot.
    I haven't seem much in the way of information about the candidates standing for PCC. For all I know, there might be a mix of fruitcakes, nutters, anti-semites, and paedophiles. The political parties seem to be reluctant to inform the voters. The whole process is a case of pin the rosette on the donkey.
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911

    What's needed in Peckham is totally different to Eastbourne.
    Yes but the Sussex Chief Constable will know that. The modern mania for watchdogs, Tsars and OfThis OfThat is too much IMHO
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2016
    PeterC said:

    You mean more like the Obama stardust. I expect some of us will be laughing.
    Seriously, I do wonder whether REMAIN has peaked far too early and the scare stories will face the law of diminishing returns.
    I thought the vast expertise of the main REMAINer commentators on here was that REMAIN had done a brilliant job and the LEAVE campaign had made all the mistakes and had slumped to 20 points behind? Are you seriously telling me that is the wrong conclusion? Come now do not jest with this poor soul.

    Next you will be telling me that the 2010 Lib Dems did not win the GE for Ed Miliband. I can only take so many shocks to my beliefs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Danny565 said:

    It could work out that way, but I don't think it's necessarily automatic. I mean, many Londoners who voted Boris still evidently think voting Tory is "toxic" if Boris isn't on the ticket.

    But that's why I'm asking whether the Scottish Tories' success is a Boris-style personal vote for Davidson, or whether it's a fundamental swing to the Tories. It's hard to tell from this side of the border, and the mainstream media's coverage of Scottish politics remains as poor as ever.

    The biggest cheer of the night at the last leaders' debate was for a Lib Dem!

    Nicola is not as Universally popular as she likes to believe
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tompeck: Today, the Labour press office is mainly fielding calls on Hamas. Last week it was Hitler, so that's progress.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    AnneJGP said:

    judge in the end on the totality of his actions

    This doesn't seem to be getting much attention, and IMHO it is very important.

    If Mr Khan wins, he has quite a lot to prove. The opportunities are huge.

    But if it turns out he was only offering campaigning slogans, then with no ill intent he'll make the problems somewhat worse.

    Exactly so. "For evil to triumph it is enough for good men to do nothing."

    I'm afraid that far too many good men in the Muslim community have done nothing to challenge the evil narrative which has taken hold amongst too many of them.

    I feel as if I'm speaking to myself on this. But I find it very important. The spread of a fascist illiberal violent ideology in this country fills me with horror. It affects me and, crucially, my children. And it is painful to see people in positions where they could do some good do nothing or, through malevolence or naivety or fear, permit it to spread.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dandygate claims another victim...
    A FORMER MEP has quit the SNP in protest after Nicola Sturgeon "endorsed" The Scottish Sun newspaper days after the Hillsborough inquest verdicts.
    http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14467674.Former_MEP_quits_SNP_over_Sturgeon_s__endorsement__of_The_Sun/
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    BBC story about corruption in Germany.

    Construction at the [Berlin] airport, south of Schoenefeld, began in 2006 but repeated delays have pushed the opening date well beyond the original 2011 deadline.

    Airport officials had hoped to open the airport in 2017, however latest indications suggest 2019 is a more likely date.

    A former chief planner on the site, Dieter Faulenbach da Costa, told Berliner Morgenpost last week he doubted the airport would ever open.

    Berlin Brandenburg airport is co-owned by the city of Berlin and the state of Brandenburg, as well as the German government.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,080

    I find it quite bizarre that the American Right allowed itself to be painted into this idealogical anti-science corner in the first place. Any sign that they're moving towards an acceptance of reality has got to be a good one!
    The American right allied themselves with big oil and big coal. They may be beginning to pull back from that cul-de-sac.

    Anyway, a reality check - let's touch base with that intellectual and scientific heavyweight, Sarah Palin on global warming...

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/apr/15/sarah-palin-explains-why-we-should-question-climate-change-video
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Good news! The Empire has been claiming mountains [for charity]:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-36190603
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Mr. S, idiots aren't always wrong.

    Letting Palin dictate one's opinion is foolish, whether mindlessly agreeing or mindlessly disagreeing.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    I thought the vast expertise of the main REMAINer commentators on here was that REMAIN had done a brilliant job and the LEAVE campaign had made all the mistakes and had slumped to 20 points behind? Are you seriously telling me that is the wrong conclusion? Come now do not jest with this poor soul.

    Next you will be telling me that the 2010 Lib Dems did not win the GE for Ed Miliband. I can only take so many shocks to my beliefs.
    Or that the Ashcroft polls show the Lib Dems will hold on in most of the LD/Con marginals...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,479
    Miss Cyclefree, you're not speaking just for yourself (or to yourself) on this. It's a serious problem.

    Mr. P, they probably long for the days when it was 'just' the IRA.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    edited May 2016
    Danny565 said:

    It could work out that way, but I don't think it's necessarily automatic. I mean, many Londoners who voted Boris still evidently think voting Tory is "toxic" if Boris isn't on the ticket.

    But that's why I'm asking whether the Scottish Tories' success is a Boris-style personal vote for Davidson, or whether it's a fundamental swing to the Tories. It's hard to tell from this side of the border, and the mainstream media's coverage of Scottish politics remains as poor as ever.
    I think any SCon success has yet to be confirmed (remember it's the same Yoon journos pumping up Davidson that were fluffing for Darling & Murphy), and it's debatable if a couple of points on their last best performance could be seen as a breakthrough. In any case it will be down to the Ruth factor and Slab coming down with the same electoral STD that the SCons have had for the last 30 years, rather than any great sea change in attitudes to Tories.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @skysarahjane: Just watching Keith Vaz in Commons today in his @LCFC scarf...he was at King Power Stadium last night partying. Is he the new John Terry?
  • I now think there's a chance of running it close, but Winter Is Coming from Monday.

    The barrage will make the Battle of Berlin look like a light dusting.
    From Monday just 2 weeks and two days before purdah descends. We have had more than 9 weeks of a blitz of Govt propaganda so far.
  • runnymede said:

    Or that the Ashcroft polls show the Lib Dems will hold on in most of the LD/Con marginals...
    Well all the LD MPs thought they walked on water with massive personal votes from the voters that adored them.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,678
    dr_spyn said:

    I haven't seem much in the way of information about the candidates standing for PCC. For all I know, there might be a mix of fruitcakes, nutters, anti-semites, and paedophiles. The political parties seem to be reluctant to inform the voters. The whole process is a case of pin the rosette on the donkey.
    Spoil your ballot. It's the only way to express dissatisfaction with the whole system of PCCs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    rather than any great sea change in attitudes to Tories.

    Or a change in attitude to the SNP.

    Canvassers report people referring to Nicola as "that woman", an epithet that used to be reserved in Scotland for Mrs Thatcher
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    I thought the vast expertise of the main REMAINer commentators on here was that REMAIN had done a brilliant job and the LEAVE campaign had made all the mistakes and had slumped to 20 points behind? Are you seriously telling me that is the wrong conclusion? Come now do not jest with this poor soul.

    Next you will be telling me that the 2010 Lib Dems did not win the GE for Ed Miliband. I can only take so many shocks to my beliefs.
    It's going a bit Trump isn't it? :wink:
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Am told a statement from Labour is coming re the whole Hamas thang.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited May 2016

    He should maybe rethink his security supplier if they missed the great loosened wheel nuts assassination attempt of 2015.
    Just note that the amount is £15,000 per event and is for UKIP events as a whole. It is not £15,000 every day. Tony Blair's is estimated at £16,000 per week - every week. (In 2009 it was estimated at £6,000,000 a year.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Amusing to see people concluding that the referendum polls are right because the GE polls were wrong!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    Well all the LD MPs thought they walked on water with massive personal votes from the voters that adored them.
    And the PB commentariat agreed
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Workers of the world unite.... you'll be beaten by your granny.
    So the more work you do or have done or are trying to do, the more likely you are to vote LEAVE. A Moral there somewhere.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665
    edited May 2016

    Which was?

    Come on TSE I've got you cornered now, let's see what you've got.
    This morning you told someone who works for a bookie that he "lack[ed] even a basic understanding of punting"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    Order, Order down again?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Alistair said:
    According to Rasmussan yesterday - he's on 73% support with GOP voters, Hillary on 77% with Dems nationally.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665

    Order, Order down again?

    Robert's started working for Guido today.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/727525196798779392

    These days I just can't work out what is a spoof and what isn't...this is going to put the Daily Mash out of business.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Jeremy Corbyn has delivered a "painful hit" on "the Zionist enemy" say Hamas. Yet another Blairite smear.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665
    Britain First has done another one of their invasions.

    Britain First has ‘invaded’ a halal slaughterhouse, accusing both workers and customers of serving Satan and funding terrorism.

    In a video of the confrontation posted to Facebook, deputy leader Jayda Fransen can be seen launching a venomous tirade against those inside.

    She screams: “Don’t you realise you’re in Great Britain? In Britain, why do we have halal slaughterhouses?

    “Why are you offering these animal up to Allah, a fake god, Satan. Do any of you have any morals?”

    Fransen then turns her attention to customers queuing for meat.

    She adds: “Look at all these people here buying halal-slaughtered meat. You are in Great Britain.

    “Halal slaughter is barbaric. How can you live with yourselves? This is a Christian country and the Bible says no Christian should eat meat offered to a false god.

    “My grandfather fought for this country and he didn’t do that for you people to turn it into little Pakistan by you people carrying out these barbaric practices for a disgusting, vile ideology.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/britain-first-invade-halal-slaughterhouse_uk_572780ede4b0a1e971cb9e89?
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,761
    dr_spyn said:

    I haven't seem much in the way of information about the candidates standing for PCC. For all I know, there might be a mix of fruitcakes, nutters, anti-semites, and paedophiles. The political parties seem to be reluctant to inform the voters. The whole process is a case of pin the rosette on the donkey.
    Here in the West Midlands, we have pretty uninspiring Labour, Conservative and UKIP candidates plus an independent who, after a bit of googling, does indeed appear to be an anti-Semitic loon. Trouble is, the loon might even get the job, given that most people won't do any research and will simply view him as the non-political candidate for what they perceive as a pointless post.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MarkKleinmanSky: Exclusive: Hedge fund tycoon and Michael Gove ally Paul Marshall to donate six-figure sum to pro-Brexit campaign. https://t.co/LgLPdzSf1p
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Democratic EU at its best I see....

    EU to fine countries 'hundreds of millions of pounds' for refusing to take refugees

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/eu-to-fine-countries-that-refuse-refugee-quota/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,567

    Spoil your ballot. It's the only way to express dissatisfaction with the whole system of PCCs.
    There is a website with details. There's a definite fruitcake in our area.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    One possible gain would be a Labour loss - Dumfriesshire - though it's a three-way fight.
    Some evidence of a split vote there (my m voted Labour my dad voted SNP) which would allow Mundell Jr to come through the middle. As I am being against Con there I would be unhappy in extreme.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Wow!

    @bobfrombrockley: An actual Labour candidate folks https://t.co/LRWvh7Jofv
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334

    Britain First has done another one of their invasions.

    Britain First has ‘invaded’ a halal slaughterhouse, accusing both workers and customers of serving Satan and funding terrorism.

    In a video of the confrontation posted to Facebook, deputy leader Jayda Fransen can be seen launching a venomous tirade against those inside.

    She screams: “Don’t you realise you’re in Great Britain? In Britain, why do we have halal slaughterhouses?

    “Why are you offering these animal up to Allah, a fake god, Satan. Do any of you have any morals?”

    Fransen then turns her attention to customers queuing for meat.

    She adds: “Look at all these people here buying halal-slaughtered meat. You are in Great Britain.

    “Halal slaughter is barbaric. How can you live with yourselves? This is a Christian country and the Bible says no Christian should eat meat offered to a false god.

    “My grandfather fought for this country and he didn’t do that for you people to turn it into little Pakistan by you people carrying out these barbaric practices for a disgusting, vile ideology.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/britain-first-invade-halal-slaughterhouse_uk_572780ede4b0a1e971cb9e89?

    Sssh, don't anyone tell Jayda about Kosher slaughterhouse, her head might explode.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,502
    http://pagesix.com/2016/05/02/top-gear-host-accused-of-exposing-himself-to-co-workers

    Warning: Brain bleach needed. A part of Chris Evans' anatomy is compared to "a baby minnow flopping around on a bed of leaves."
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    This morning you told someone who works for a bookie that he "lack[ed] even a basic understanding of punting"
    Well I'm flabberghasted that somebody who works for a bookie wrote what they did.;
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665

    Sssh, don't anyone tell Jayda about Kosher slaughterhouse, her head might explode.
    I've heard a story, that Britain First, visited The Village in Manchester recently, to try set up the Gay wing of Britain First, to show the gays they were on their side. Apparently it did not go well, they decided to visit AXM bar, they left after five mins, because of the gayness on display, and the mocking and derision they received.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Danny565 said:

    To what extent is the Tory surge linked to Davidson personally?

    I'm wondering whether we should expect the Tory surge to carry over to the next Westminster election in Scotland. If it's about a genuine move back to the Tories (perhaps because unionists who previously voted SNP for their competence in places like the North East, now leaving because independence has become a more realistic prospect), then presumably we should expect gains in Scotland in 2020. If it's more a personal vote for Davidson then presumably it won't carry over much into 2020 since no-one would think she'd be part of a Westminster Tory government.
    The entire Conservative Holyrood campaign is based on pictures of Ruth Davidson on things, never mentioning the word Conservative and Banging on and on and on about the referendum.
  • It's going a bit Trump isn't it? :wink:
    Well one really does not know who to trust ... from the REMAIN camp.
    winkythingy
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814



    Terrible idea. That's like electing judges or the CPS - law and order operations can't be political/vote grabbing.

    I totally disagree, I think vote grabbing is exacly what policing needs. The client of the police at the moment is HMG. It should be the people. If people want local oiks sorting out and a zero tolerance to graffiti, as opposed to speed traps and people being arrested for offensive tweeting that's what they should have. We will realise sooner or later that people usually know best.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2016

    ........Owen Jones and Hamas....

    These days I just can't work out what is a spoof and what isn't...this is going to put the Daily Mash out of business.

    It is a typo. It is Hummus that are endorsed by Labour.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Alistair said:

    The entire Conservative Holyrood campaign is based on pictures of Ruth Davidson on things, never mentioning the word Conservative and Banging on and on and on about the referendum.

    The entire SNP Holyrood campaign is based on pictures of Nicola, Banging on and on and on about the referendum.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Unbelievable:

    "Labour will not lose seats in local elections, Jeremy Corbyn says"

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/labour-plans-to-gain-seats-in-local-elections-jeremy-corbyn-says
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    Has the AfD peaked? Oddly, the Greens and Liberals seem to be the main beneficiaries if so.

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/forsa.htm

    But other pollsters aren't showing them dropping back yet, so too early to say. What is really obvious is the pain of being in government there at the moment - both governing parties well down, all the others up.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665

    I totally disagree, I think vote grabbing is exacly what policing needs. The client of the police at the moment is HMG. It should be the people. If people want local oiks sorting out and a zero tolerance to graffiti, as opposed to speed traps and people being arrested for offensive tweeting that's what they should have. We will realise sooner or later that people usually know best.
    Go to America and see the elections for Judges and State Attorneys elections.

    They do not bode well for justice.

    The CPS should not decide whether to prosecute or not because they have an election coming ditto, judges and sentencing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    AndyJS said:

    Unbelievable:

    "Labour will not lose seats in local elections, Jeremy Corbyn says"

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/labour-plans-to-gain-seats-in-local-elections-jeremy-corbyn-says

    Thats because Corbynism is sweeping the nations ;-)
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    I totally disagree, I think vote grabbing is exacly what policing needs. The client of the police at the moment is HMG. It should be the people. If people want local oiks sorting out and a zero tolerance to graffiti, as opposed to speed traps and people being arrested for offensive tweeting that's what they should have. We will realise sooner or later that people usually know best.
    Yes the argument about the police being left alone to do their work in a disinterested, apolitical and efficient manner is hard to take very seriously after the series of scandals we have seen in recent years - featuring corruption, nepotism, incompetence, partisan politicking and outright criminality.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Eastwood is a Scottish Constituency that I would expect the tories to beat Labour in. That doesn't mean that they will win it of course. The SNP may well come from 3rd. Labour has a majority of 2K but if Ruth's Unionist stich is going to work anywhere it really should be there.

    To be honest I am not expecting Labour to win any constituency seats at all. They will recover some of the damage of that from the Lists though. I think Ruth is being a tad optimistic but we shall see.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Quite

    In a nutshell: https://t.co/BpEY0ITTgM
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    Missed quite a few threads. Did we ever get closer to the bottom of the big chunk of BF money put on BREXIT a couple of weeks back?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Has the AfD peaked? Oddly, the Greens and Liberals seem to be the main beneficiaries if so.

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/forsa.htm

    But other pollsters aren't showing them dropping back yet, so too early to say. What is really obvious is the pain of being in government there at the moment - both governing parties well down, all the others up.

    Only if you ignore pollsters like INSA who've just put them on 13.5%.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533
    AndyJS said:

    Unbelievable:

    "Labour will not lose seats in local elections, Jeremy Corbyn says"

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/labour-plans-to-gain-seats-in-local-elections-jeremy-corbyn-says

    Corbyn: “Elections are about taking sides. Labour is on yours.”

    Unless you are Jewish, of course; or believe the history of the holocaust shouldn't just be made up by amateurs on live TV.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SCons also sent me one of my most hated type of election leaflets, those 'election news' type leaflets that pretend they aren't from a party apart from the printer's note.

    I wouldn't vote for them on that alone.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Rock legends to play US 'mega-festival'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36193750

    Think of all the pill popping going on this backstage...not LSD, more the ones for heart conditions, arthritis, etc.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Jez we can.
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/727529624796844033

    If ever a devil was born
    without a pair of horn
    It was you, Jeza , it was you.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Eastwood is a Scottish Constituency that I would expect the tories to beat Labour in. That doesn't mean that they will win it of course. The SNP may well come from 3rd. Labour has a majority of 2K but if Ruth's Unionist stich is going to work anywhere it really should be there.

    To be honest I am not expecting Labour to win any constituency seats at all. They will recover some of the damage of that from the Lists though. I think Ruth is being a tad optimistic but we shall see.

    They could keep Dumfriesshire, my bank balance would like it if they did.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Here are some Scottish Tories hiding which party they are representing..

    https://twitter.com/deanforholyrood/status/727483771080073216

    Maybe they should get the Dandy photoshopped in instead
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Alistair said:

    They could keep Dumfriesshire, my bank balance would like it if they did.
    Keep? Its Labour at the moment and with a somewhat bigger majority than Eastwood. But yes, it is definitely a target for them. They did pretty well there in the 2015 election beating Labour comfortably but were completely outgunned by a massive increase in the SNP vote. If the Tories can consolidate the Unionist vote more effectively this time then they have a chance but it would not surprise me if the SNP take this too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    edited May 2016

    I've heard a story, that Britain First, visited The Village in Manchester recently, to try set up the Gay wing of Britain First, to show the gays they were on their side. Apparently it did not go well, they decided to visit AXM bar, they left after five mins, because of the gayness on display, and the mocking and derision they received.
    I sense the Britain First perception of gayness stops at Dick Emery.
    On reflection that would be a good name for an S&M gay stage act.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188

    Robert's started working for Guido today.
    Arf.

    Poor Robert. I did feel bad for him when the site went down. In my old consulting job I had to manage the company website - hated it, no staging/preview site!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    Guido indicating the HAC are to investigate antisemitism and Corbyn with Livingstone head the queue. That should be interesting. Popcorn time methinks
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The Fix
    Hillary Clinton says she has not been contacted by the Justice Department for an interview relating to her private email server.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,230
    I asked my boss his thoughts on Brexit today - undecided, very very soft remain I think.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited May 2016
    Danny565 said:

    To what extent is the Tory surge linked to Davidson personally?

    I'm wondering whether we should expect the Tory surge to carry over to the next Westminster election in Scotland. If it's about a genuine move back to the Tories (perhaps because unionists who previously voted SNP for their competence in places like the North East, now leaving because independence has become a more realistic prospect), then presumably we should expect gains in Scotland in 2020. If it's more a personal vote for Davidson then presumably it won't carry over much into 2020 since no-one would think she'd be part of a Westminster Tory government.
    My advice to the Scottish Tories would be to break completely with the party in England and Wales, rename and rebrand. They should concentrate on being a national party bent on competence in government, with centrist economic and centre-right security policies. If they gain some Westminster success, they should studiously eschew any formal alliance with the Conservatives and resist any government positions offered, voting with the Conservatives only when it makes sense to from a Scottish, centrist/slightly right point of view and respecting EVEL.

    If they do that, I think they can build up trust with the Scottish electorate and eventually resume their position as a natural party of government/opposition, instead of an afterthought.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665
    And people complain about my colourful analogies

    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/727522061711740928
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/727525196798779392

    These days I just can't work out what is a spoof and what isn't...this is going to put the Daily Mash out of business.

    Much like Eurofanatic scare stories. I think Miliband's end of the world if we leave the EU argument achieved peak ridiculousnesss.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    edited May 2016
    Scott_P said:

    Here are some Scottish Tories hiding which party they are representing..

    https://twitter.com/deanforholyrood/status/727483771080073216

    Maybe they should get the Dandy photoshopped in instead

    Touched a nerve much?

    Twitter, the only platform on which 'the Ruth Davidson for 2nd best' party can speak its real name.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814

    Go to America and see the elections for Judges and State Attorneys elections.

    They do not bode well for justice.

    The CPS should not decide whether to prosecute or not because they have an election coming ditto, judges and sentencing.
    I'm not saying go full America (not dismissing it in this instance either) but in terms of Chief Constables I don't see a drawback.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    @richardtyndall

    Well actually it means reducing the size of the state, specifically the number of politicians, their title and responsibilities are up for debate. I was with Mark Reckless when he spoke of policing in the 19th century, policing by consent, he really is an interesting man.

    On reflection and having read what Herdson and Plato say, I'm not entirely anti PCC I'm anti political affiliation.

    That I can entirely agree with. But then I am even more extreme and think that we should reduce political affiliation in all aspects of Government. I am a long standing advocate of radical reduction in the power of the whips and making every vote at every level of Governance a free vote.

    For many years Parish and town councils used to be almost exclusively party free. It now seems more and more common for party affiliation to be the norm at parish elections. Not a good development.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Keep? Its Labour at the moment and with a somewhat bigger majority than Eastwood. But yes, it is definitely a target for them. They did pretty well there in the 2015 election beating Labour comfortably but were completely outgunned by a massive increase in the SNP vote. If the Tories can consolidate the Unionist vote more effectively this time then they have a chance but it would not surprise me if the SNP take this too.
    Apologies, I meant Labour could keep it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,533

    And people complain about my colourful analogies

    https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/727522061711740928

    This'll all be over in 6.5 hours.
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