Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
'On Thursday, are we really going to hand the world's greatest city to a Conservative candidate who can't even proof check the photos featured in an article he's put his name to?'
Since when did writers proof-check articles? They have subs for that - and Photo Editors for photos.....
Ah, right. Team Zac: 'Yeah, we've put some of the usual Sadiq Bin Laden stuff together, just put Zac's name on the byline. A photo? Oh, just stick up whatever you fancy.'
In the Brave New Scotland I expect politicians will want to control headlines, photos, the BBC.....in the rest of the UK, however......
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
They've tried it but the Beeb like the voters told them to naff off
There are still some ways to take advantage of Trump (And Clinton)'s superiority:
Trump-Clinton double @ 2-7 with Hills and Trump to "clinch" the nomination before Cleveland (Which I assume means > 1237 bound delegates) @ 1-2 (Tipped up by Peter_from_Putney earlier) also with Hills.
I tipped 1.57 with Hills yesterday Pulps :P as Peter rightly credited
No worries, I've amended the tips database to reflect this.
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
As per my previous posts- I just don't think women have much of a chance in a well ordered race with men. They have to be either anointed as the leader with no real challenges a la Sturgeon and Clinton or come from nowhere a la Thatcher.
I do think there is a more than a sniff of misogyny to politics.
The Margaret Hodge story today is interesting. The only way women appear to have any hope of entering a leadership contest is as a stalking horse it seems to me. A certain Thatcher did the same some forty years or so ago.
On a betting tip- I've just seen Federer as close to 40's on betfair for the French. It seems ludicrously long for someone who is likely to enter the tournament as 2nd seed, and is clearly saving himself for the slams.
As per my previous posts- I just don't think women have much of a chance in a well ordered race with men. They have to be either anointed as the leader with no real challenges a la Sturgeon and Clinton or come from nowhere a la Thatcher.
Even after Merkel became leader of the CDU she stood aside for Edmund Stoiber to run as the Chancellor-candidate for the CDU/CSU in the following general election. Only after he lost did she stake her claim.
There are still some ways to take advantage of Trump (And Clinton)'s superiority:
Trump-Clinton double @ 2-7 with Hills and Trump to "clinch" the nomination before Cleveland (Which I assume means > 1237 bound delegates) @ 1-2 (Tipped up by Peter_from_Putney earlier) also with Hills.
I tipped 1.57 with Hills yesterday Pulps :P as Peter rightly credited
No worries, I've amended the tips database to reflect this.
You can toast me with the bottle of cava you buy with the 1.5 with PaddyPower from last week...
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
'On Thursday, are we really going to hand the world's greatest city to a Conservative candidate who can't even proof check the photos featured in an article he's put his name to?'
Since when did writers proof-check articles? They have subs for that - and Photo Editors for photos.....
Ah, right. Team Zac: 'Yeah, we've put some of the usual Sadiq Bin Laden stuff together, just put Zac's name on the byline. A photo? Oh, just stick up whatever you fancy.'
In the Brave New Scotland I expect politicians will want to control headlines, photos, the BBC.....in the rest of the UK, however......
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
Given the Scottish Newspapers outsell the UK ones by orders of magnitude (the Scottish Sun is four times the total sales of the London titles), I think the Scottish Paper endorsement figures a tad more relevant - unless one is playing the 'victim/othering game'
How does it feel to have the London Telegraph outsell the NATonal by over a third?
As per my previous posts- I just don't think women have much of a chance in a well ordered race with men. They have to be either anointed as the leader with no real challenges a la Sturgeon and Clinton or come from nowhere a la Thatcher.
Even after Merkel became leader of the CDU she stood aside for Edmund Stoiber to run as the Chancellor-candidate for the CDU/CSU in the following general election. Only after he lost did she stake her claim.
As per my previous posts- I just don't think women have much of a chance in a well ordered race with men. They have to be either anointed as the leader with no real challenges a la Sturgeon and Clinton or come from nowhere a la Thatcher.
Even after Merkel became leader of the CDU she stood aside for Edmund Stoiber to run as the Chancellor-candidate for the CDU/CSU in the following general election. Only after he lost did she stake her claim.
I think I need lots of mind bleach after reading this post.
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
'On Thursday, are we really going to hand the world's greatest city to a Conservative candidate who can't even proof check the photos featured in an article he's put his name to?'
Since when did writers proof-check articles? They have subs for that - and Photo Editors for photos.....
Ah, right. Team Zac: 'Yeah, we've put some of the usual Sadiq Bin Laden stuff together, just put Zac's name on the byline. A photo? Oh, just stick up whatever you fancy.'
In the Brave New Scotland I expect politicians will want to control headlines, photos, the BBC.....in the rest of the UK, however......
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
Given the Scottish Newspapers outsell the UK ones by orders of magnitude (the Scottish Sun is four times the total sales of the London titles), I think the Scottish Paper endorsement figures a tad more relevant - unless one is playing the 'victim/othering game'
How does it feel to have the London Telegraph outsell the NATonal by over a third?
You're trying to make a point about the SNP controlling the press and then refer to the virulently Unionist Telegraph outselling the only indy supporting daily in Scotland? Ok..
It must be a slow news day today. Football (of which I know little, and care even less) is still running on the BBC news headlines after nine minutes.
I have clocked Leicester won - well done - but I don't care.
Same as Zac, except, oh yes, you admit it.
(how's your pint of bitter handling skills?)
I am an enthusiastic real ale man and love nothing more than sinking a few pints of local brews.
My local cricket club has won CAMRA awards and is a regular haunt of mine.
Pleasing to see you refer to Real Ale rather than the hipster term "Craft Beer". Much of the latter isn't real anything. But is apparently what is required to wash down some "Street Food".
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
Or put another way, at least 82% of adult Scots DON’T buy any newspapers.
That would only be the case if the people which did buy papers did so everyday, some do,. but some will buy papers once or twice a week etc so the 'reach' of the papers is far higher than that is stated.
FPT..Fenster..Sorry old boy but every word is true..The Exec asked me to stay the course or the film would be dropped...I was a very busy lad in those days and had no time,energy, to pursue idiots in the court...let em stew
I'm very sorry to hear it.. But I can assure you you'd be very welcome in the Valleys, English or not! Most people round here are very friendly..
In South Wales we had a great time and everything was fine.
However in north wales my wife and I walked out of a pub in disgust many years back.
Mind you, considering we have had similar reactions to being "strangers" in pubs in a part of London (which I can't remember might have been Tooting, certainly between Clapham and Morden), and also (strangely enough as a major tourist area) in a pub near Hay on Wye just a few weeks back it might just be closed community type mentality rather than based on race.
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
It must be a slow news day today. Football (of which I know little, and care even less) is still running on the BBC news headlines after nine minutes.
I have clocked Leicester won - well done - but I don't care.
Same as Zac, except, oh yes, you admit it.
(how's your pint of bitter handling skills?)
I am an enthusiastic real ale man and love nothing more than sinking a few pints of local brews.
My local cricket club has won CAMRA awards and is a regular haunt of mine.
Pleasing to see you refer to Real Ale rather than the hipster term "Craft Beer". Much of the latter isn't real anything. But is apparently what is required to wash down some "Street Food".
Street food was eating out of litter bins when I was a kid...
FPT..Fenster..Sorry old boy but every word is true..The Exec asked me to stay the course or the film would be dropped...I was a very busy lad in those days and had no time,energy, to pursue idiots in the court...let em stew
I'm very sorry to hear it.. But I can assure you you'd be very welcome in the Valleys, English or not! Most people round here are very friendly..
In South Wales we had a great time and everything was fine.
However in north wales my wife and I walked out of a pub in disgust many years back.
Mind you, considering we have had similar reactions to being "strangers" in pubs in a part of London (which I can't remember might have been Tooting, certainly between Clapham and Morden), and also (strangely enough as a major tourist area) in a pub near Hay on Wye just a few weeks back it might just be closed community type mentality rather than based on race.
Being treated suspiciously like undercover health inspectors is so welcoming!
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
Or put another way, at least 82% of adult Scots DON’T buy any newspapers.
That would only be the case if the people which did buy papers did so everyday, some do,. but some will buy papers once or twice a week etc so the 'reach' of the papers is far higher than that is stated.
Realistically it should be judged on households. If I get a newspaper, my wife also reads it, my adult kids too if they are at home.
'On Thursday, are we really going to hand the world's greatest city to a Conservative candidate who can't even proof check the photos featured in an article he's put his name to?'
Since when did writers proof-check articles? They have subs for that - and Photo Editors for photos.....
Ah, right. Team Zac: 'Yeah, we've put some of the usual Sadiq Bin Laden stuff together, just put Zac's name on the byline. A photo? Oh, just stick up whatever you fancy.'
In the Brave New Scotland I expect politicians will want to control headlines, photos, the BBC.....in the rest of the UK, however......
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
Given the Scottish Newspapers outsell the UK ones by orders of magnitude (the Scottish Sun is four times the total sales of the London titles), I think the Scottish Paper endorsement figures a tad more relevant - unless one is playing the 'victim/othering game'
How does it feel to have the London Telegraph outsell the NATonal by over a third?
You're trying to make a point about the SNP controlling the press and then refer to the virulently Unionist Telegraph outselling the only indy supporting daily in Scotland? Ok..
The SNP has more endorsements from the Scottish press than all the other parties added together.....yet the latest entrant, much feted by the Nats is failing (its about half the size of their favourite whipping boy the "Hootsmon", and 7% of the "Daily Retard".)
Maybe independence is not such a great seller of newspapers?
FENSTER..As a further result of that experience... I have today turned down another contract for a film which is set in Wales..I don't need the hassle....altho I did like Cardiff..
Realistically it should be judged on households. If I get a newspaper, my wife also reads it, my adult kids too if they are at home.
Oh now you want to measure things per household!!?? Didn't your hero just get the most almighty shellacking because he introduced a new metric: GDP per household??
Both Boris Johnson and George Osborne continue to look like lays to me. Conservative Home is representative of a particular type of Conservative member (hence Liam Fox's strong showing) but Boris Johnson needs to be doing better with that type of Conservative member if he is going to get the job.
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
Realistically it should be judged on households. If I get a newspaper, my wife also reads it, my adult kids too if they are at home.
Oh now you want to measure things per household!!?? Didn't your hero just get the most almighty shellacking because he introduced a new metric: GDP per household??
Sheesh.
LOL
some things are best measured on households other not. :-)
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Don't you just love London? I personally think those of us who work in London, but can't afford to live in it, should get at least half a vote in the Mayoral election.
"In short, Sadiq Khan’s extravagant recent claim that “I have spent my whole life fighting extremism” is entirely false. On the contrary, he has supported extremists, he has aligned with extremists, he has shared their platforms, he has circulated petitions advancing their arguments and interests, he has euphemised their blood-curdling incitement as mere “flowery words”, and he has repeatedly used his position as a human rights advocate and an MP to lend extremists’ arguments a spurious legitimacy. And while he has energetically defended the rights of Al Qaeda sympathisers and operatives like Babar Ahmad and Shaker Aamer, Khan has had precious little to say about a campaign of incitement – exposed in the Wimbledon Guardian as far back as 2010 – by the sectarian organisation Khatme Nabuwwat to boycott and ostracise peaceful Ahmadi Muslims, conducted for years on his own south London doorstep, and supported by the imam of the mosque he attends."
Yes, well, some of us have been saying this for some time.
Khan's claim that he will take the fight to the extremists is a slogan only. He lacks judgment and his likely inaction on this will only result in the extremists within the Muslim community and within London gaining ground.
London deserves better. Alas, she - and those of us who live here - will not get it.
Will the likes of Danny 565 listen though? not a chance.
It must be a slow news day today. Football (of which I know little, and care even less) is still running on the BBC news headlines after nine minutes.
I have clocked Leicester won - well done - but I don't care.
Same as Zac, except, oh yes, you admit it.
(how's your pint of bitter handling skills?)
I am an enthusiastic real ale man and love nothing more than sinking a few pints of local brews.
My local cricket club has won CAMRA awards and is a regular haunt of mine.
Pleasing to see you refer to Real Ale rather than the hipster term "Craft Beer". Much of the latter isn't real anything. But is apparently what is required to wash down some "Street Food".
Terror organisation Hamas has "welcomed" Jeremy Corbyn's vow to continue talking to the organisation he once called his "friends" despite pressure on him to denounce the group.
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Don't you just love London? I personally think those of us who work in London, but can't afford to live in it, should get at least half a vote in the Mayoral election.
If London is so affluent and expensive, how come it's so labour?
The implicit assumed offence - he's getting at me and my kind - is at the heart of the problem. There is no general attack on muslims, only on extremists and their fellow travellers and apologists. And given the events of this last week, rightly so.
Whether you want to admit it or not, the suggestion throughout the campaign has been that you can't trust Khan simply because he's Muslim. Especially since it's been established Goldsmith has just as many supposed "links" to the extremists as Khan does (including Goldsmith being photographed at a camapign event with one of the people who Khan has been implicated with) -- the sole difference is that Khan has a brown face.
Goldsmith has not sought to downplay the words of Al Qaradawi - the man in favour of suicide bombing, stoning, the murder of gays etc. He has not been less truthful about his relationship with Babar Ahmed when asked questions about it at different times. He has not denied knowing a Tooting iman who wants to boycott Ahmadi Muslims, until the photo came out. He has not spoken at events with Cage, apologists for terrorists. He has not sought an Islamic blasphemy law. He has not hired people who pose with guns and spread Islamist propaganda. He has not hired people who worked on a campaign condemned by the courts as breaching electoral law.
The reason I don't trust Khan when he says that he is the man to take the fight to the extremists is not because of his brown face or his religion.
It is because of what he has done and failed to do, because of what he has said and failed to say.
These actions and failures to act are the best evidence of whether he has the intention and courage to do what needs to be done, what he says he will do. And what they show - to my mind - is a man who has never shown any willingness at all to challenge extremism, a man who has been more than willing to go along with the default assumptions of the community he comes from if that will get him votes, a man who lacks judgment about whom he should have around him, a man who lacks courage.
He is not the man to help mould a British Islam through his role as Mayor. He is not the man who will challenge the Muslim community to adapt to Western values rather than segregate themselves further in their own. Rather I fear he will be the Mayor who will allow Salafist extreme Islam to gain more of a foothold. And that is not good news for any of us, whatever we are.
Why do you think he risked death threats and voted for gay marriage?
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Don't you just love London? I personally think those of us who work in London, but can't afford to live in it, should get at least half a vote in the Mayoral election.
Agree absolutely. TfL is a major part of the Mayor's role, and anyone who has to interact with London in a significant way (including commuters) should be involved in choosing the Mayor.
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Don't you just love London? I personally think those of us who work in London, but can't afford to live in it, should get at least half a vote in the Mayoral election.
If London is so affluent and expensive, how come it's so labour?
The Home counties is where it's at, especially as I'm moving up the road from Hampshire to leafy Surrey...
'On Thursday, are we really going to hand the world's greatest city to a Conservative candidate who can't even proof check the photos featured in an article he's put his name to?'
Since when did writers proof-check articles? They have subs for that - and Photo Editors for photos.....
Ah, right. Team Zac: 'Yeah, we've put some of the usual Sadiq Bin Laden stuff together, just put Zac's name on the byline. A photo? Oh, just stick up whatever you fancy.'
In the Brave New Scotland I expect politicians will want to control headlines, photos, the BBC.....in the rest of the UK, however......
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
Given the Scottish Newspapers outsell the UK ones by orders of magnitude (the Scottish Sun is four times the total sales of the London titles), I think the Scottish Paper endorsement figures a tad more relevant - unless one is playing the 'victim/othering game'
How does it feel to have the London Telegraph outsell the NATonal by over a third?
You're trying to make a point about the SNP controlling the press and then refer to the virulently Unionist Telegraph outselling the only indy supporting daily in Scotland? Ok..
The SNP has more endorsements from the Scottish press than all the other parties added together.....yet the latest entrant, much feted by the Nats is failing (its about half the size of their favourite whipping boy the "Hootsmon", and 7% of the "Daily Retard".)
Maybe independence is not such a great seller of newspapers?
The Scottish press also has a high preponderance of paper unwilling to endorse parties (mainly it has to be said 'cos of the shitness of the alternatives). So much for press control.
Yeah, that's a real feature of Scotland, the press and the BBC being supplicants and tools of the SNP.
The SNP are the establishment...
Scotland’s freedom of information watchdog bowed to behind-the-scenes pressure from the Scottish Government to conceal information about legal advice on college tuition fees
The National sold 100K daily when it started? A bold claim. A link?
The popularity of the title – before launch 9,000 digital editions had been sold, priced at £1.50 a week – resulted in Newsquest upping the print run to 100,000 for Tuesday’s edition.
It must be a slow news day today. Football (of which I know little, and care even less) is still running on the BBC news headlines after nine minutes.
I have clocked Leicester won - well done - but I don't care.
Same as Zac, except, oh yes, you admit it.
(how's your pint of bitter handling skills?)
I am an enthusiastic real ale man and love nothing more than sinking a few pints of local brews.
My local cricket club has won CAMRA awards and is a regular haunt of mine.
Pleasing to see you refer to Real Ale rather than the hipster term "Craft Beer". Much of the latter isn't real anything. But is apparently what is required to wash down some "Street Food".
Craft beer is for hipsters.
I hate hipsters.
Is it the beards that bother you so much? Or the air of unbearable smugness?
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Getting excuses in early? The mood on here has most definitely changed if that means anything.
Terror organisation Hamas has "welcomed" Jeremy Corbyn's vow to continue talking to the organisation he once called his "friends" despite pressure on him to denounce the group.
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Getting excuses in early? The mood on here has most definitely changed if that means anything.
The gloating post Obama was epic "it's all over" blah blah... It's reminiscent of Stuart Dickson and his SIndy *tipping point* posts. Whilst not expecting Brexit to win, I feel more hopeful than I ever expected to be at this stage.
Khan's claim that he will take the fight to the extremists is a slogan only. He lacks judgment and his likely inaction on this will only result in the extremists within the Muslim community and within London gaining ground.
I think you're mistaken, but maybe we'll find out. Conversely, chatting to a friend, not a member of any party (not even a £3er) and irreligious but on the left: she's wavering in supporting Khan because she feels he's too willing to condemn Livingstone and distance himself from Corbyn:
"So you want to reward Goldsmith for his campaign?"
"Oh hell...why is life so bloody difficult?"
She'll probably come round by Thursday, I think.
On topic, I agree with Richard that May is the absolutely obvious choice for the Tories. It'll be cool if they pick Gove instead.
It is because of what he has done and failed to do, because of what he has said and failed to say.
These actions and failures to act are the best evidence of whether he has the intention and courage to do what needs to be done, what he says he will do. And what they show - to my mind - is a man who has never shown any willingness at all to challenge extremism, a man who has been more than willing to go along with the default assumptions of the community he comes from if that will get him votes, a man who lacks judgment about whom he should have around him, a man who lacks courage.
He is not the man to help mould a British Islam through his role as Mayor. He is not the man who will challenge the Muslim community to adapt to Western values rather than segregate themselves further in their own. Rather I fear he will be the Mayor who will allow Salafist extreme Islam to gain more of a foothold. And that is not good news for any of us, whatever we are.
Why do you think he risked death threats and voted for gay marriage?
His support for gay marriage is welcome but irrelevant given all the other things he has said and done. You would not excuse someone who associated with Nazis just because they voted for gay marriage. Why do so in this case?
I have been willing to praise Khan where praise is due e.g. over gay marriage and his recent statements on anti-Semitism. But I judge in the end on the totality of his actions. And my judgment is that I don't think he will be willing to do what it takes to take the fight to the extremists. I would like to be proved wrong and if I am I will admit this.
It is because of what he has done and failed to do, because of what he has said and failed to say.
These actions and failures to act are the best evidence of whether he has the intention and courage to do what needs to be done, what he says he will do. And what they show - to my mind - is a man who has never shown any willingness at all to challenge extremism, a man who has been more than willing to go along with the default assumptions of the community he comes from if that will get him votes, a man who lacks judgment about whom he should have around him, a man who lacks courage.
He is not the man to help mould a British Islam through his role as Mayor. He is not the man who will challenge the Muslim community to adapt to Western values rather than segregate themselves further in their own. Rather I fear he will be the Mayor who will allow Salafist extreme Islam to gain more of a foothold. And that is not good news for any of us, whatever we are.
Why do you think he risked death threats and voted for gay marriage?
His support for gay marriage is welcome but irrelevant given all the other things he has said and done. You would not excuse someone who associated with Nazis just because they voted for gay marriage. Why do so in this case?
I have been willing to praise Khan where praise is due e.g. over gay marriage and his recent statements on anti-Semitism. But I judge in the end on the totality of his actions. And my judgment is that I don't think he will be willing to do what it takes to take the fight to the extremists. I would like to be proved wrong and if I am I will admit this.
You said he lacked courage and did not challenge the established views in his community, that's all. The vote for gay marriage does not suggest that is right; neither does his outreach to London's Jewish community. I do agree he has left many hostages to fortune though.
Khan's claim that he will take the fight to the extremists is a slogan only. He lacks judgment and his likely inaction on this will only result in the extremists within the Muslim community and within London gaining ground.
I think you're mistaken, but maybe we'll find out. Conversely, chatting to a friend, not a member of any party (not even a £3er) and irreligious but on the left: she's wavering in supporting Khan because she feels he's too willing to condemn Livingstone and distance himself from Corbyn:
"So you want to reward Goldsmith for his campaign?"
"Oh hell...why is life so bloody difficult?"
She'll probably come round by Thursday, I think.
On topic, I agree with Richard that May is the absolutely obvious choice for the Tories. It'll be cool if they pick Gove instead.
To take the fight to the extremists takes courage: moral and physical. People like Maajid Nawaz or Ayan Hirsi Ali or Caroline Fourest have it in spades. Nothing so far suggests that Khan - with his carefully calibrated statements, equivocation and slogans - does.
He may not be a bad Mayor but he is not the man to take the fight to the extremists. IMO. A pity. Now more than ever this needs doing, as the events of the past week have shown us.
The leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has predicted her party will beat Labour into third place for the first time in the history of the Holyrood parliament.
With just one full day of campaigning left before Thursday’s elections, Ruth Davidson said her party’s internal polling leaves her confident that the Tories will be returned as the official opposition to the SNP.
It must be a slow news day today. Football (of which I know little, and care even less) is still running on the BBC news headlines after nine minutes.
I have clocked Leicester won - well done - but I don't care.
Same as Zac, except, oh yes, you admit it.
(how's your pint of bitter handling skills?)
I am an enthusiastic real ale man and love nothing more than sinking a few pints of local brews.
My local cricket club has won CAMRA awards and is a regular haunt of mine.
Pleasing to see you refer to Real Ale rather than the hipster term "Craft Beer". Much of the latter isn't real anything. But is apparently what is required to wash down some "Street Food".
Craft beer is for hipsters.
I hate hipsters.
Is it the beards that bother you so much? Or the air of unbearable smugness?
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Getting excuses in early? The mood on here has most definitely changed if that means anything.
The gloating post Obama was epic "it's all over" blah blah... It's reminiscent of Stuart Dickson and his SIndy *tipping point* posts. Whilst not expecting Brexit to win, I feel more hopeful than I ever expected to be at this stage.
I'm one of life's optimists, I'd replace your cautious optimism with positivity, there's no shame in trying but failing.
Notice how the Remainers have stopped calling us names, how the "Leave should do this..." threads have dried up. They were smugly expecting to be miles clear by now, all that is left for them now is sit with their fingers crossed and hope we don't play France or Germany on 22/6. Who can they wheel out after Obama, they've played all their cards.
The leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has predicted her party will beat Labour into third place for the first time in the history of the Holyrood parliament.
With just one full day of campaigning left before Thursday’s elections, Ruth Davidson said her party’s internal polling leaves her confident that the Tories will be returned as the official opposition to the SNP.
Remember the other day EdM reckoned we needed to be inside the EU in order to tackle climate change? Here's the evidence:
"EU energy-related carbon emissions creep up in 2015...
Energy-related carbon dioxide emissions in the European Union crept up 0.7 per cent compared to a year earlier, threatening the bloc's reputation as a leader in climate mitigation and clean energy investment."
He is not the man to help mould a British Islam through his role as Mayor. He is not the man who will challenge the Muslim community to adapt to Western values rather than segregate themselves further in their own. Rather I fear he will be the Mayor who will allow Salafist extreme Islam to gain more of a foothold. And that is not good news for any of us, whatever we are.
Why do you think he risked death threats and voted for gay marriage?
His support for gay marriage is welcome but irrelevant given all the other things he has said and done. You would not excuse someone who associated with Nazis just because they voted for gay marriage. Why do so in this case?
I have been willing to praise Khan where praise is due e.g. over gay marriage and his recent statements on anti-Semitism. But I judge in the end on the totality of his actions. And my judgment is that I don't think he will be willing to do what it takes to take the fight to the extremists. I would like to be proved wrong and if I am I will admit this.
You said he lacked courage and did not challenge the established views in his community, that's all. The vote for gay marriage does not suggest that is right; neither does his outreach to London's Jewish community. I do agree he has left many hostages to fortune though.
Outreach to the Jewish community is fine and I am happy to praise him for that.
But that is very specifically not taking the fight to the extremists in the Muslim community, is it?
What would be impressive is if he were to go round and speak at mosques, at community events to Muslims and tell them that prejudice against Jews is wrong. It's not the Jews who are the problem here: it's those within the Muslim community (not all, obviously) who are prejudiced, who talk about Hitler and praise the Holocaust and the rest. And that needs calling out: unequivocally and repeatedly and not just in the press or to Jews but to those doing it.
The leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has predicted her party will beat Labour into third place for the first time in the history of the Holyrood parliament.
I know of at least one victory party the SNP have booked for Friday. Hoping it turns out as joyous as the one this guy was heading for...
The leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has predicted her party will beat Labour into third place for the first time in the history of the Holyrood parliament.
With just one full day of campaigning left before Thursday’s elections, Ruth Davidson said her party’s internal polling leaves her confident that the Tories will be returned as the official opposition to the SNP.
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Getting excuses in early? The mood on here has most definitely changed if that means anything.
The gloating post Obama was epic "it's all over" blah blah... It's reminiscent of Stuart Dickson and his SIndy *tipping point* posts. Whilst not expecting Brexit to win, I feel more hopeful than I ever expected to be at this stage.
I'm one of life's optimists, I'd replace your cautious optimism with positivity, there's no shame in trying but failing.
Notice how the Remainers have stopped calling us names, how the "Leave should do this..." threads have dried up. They were smugly expecting to be miles clear by now, all that is left for them now is sit with their fingers crossed and hope we don't play France or Germany on 22/6. Who can they wheel out after Obama, they've played all their cards.
Will he answer criticisms by asking "Is it 'cos I's black?" from now on?
LOL, reading some of his earlier tweets he may also be a woman, In his head he is Rosa Parks. He's more Southern Alabama than Northern Ireland these days.
The leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has predicted her party will beat Labour into third place for the first time in the history of the Holyrood parliament.
With just one full day of campaigning left before Thursday’s elections, Ruth Davidson said her party’s internal polling leaves her confident that the Tories will be returned as the official opposition to the SNP.
Given where the polls are, it's pretty much all she can say. You play down expectations when you're heading for a disaster. In this case, once the results are in, few people will remember the predictions as the facts will be enough. If the SCons do finish third then there'll be a bit of smirking from SLab no doubt - until they remember the scale of their losses.
A colleague of mine (who's very nice and good humoured btw) just barked across the desk during lunch about the EU referendum.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Getting excuses in early? The mood on here has most definitely changed if that means anything.
The gloating post Obama was epic "it's all over" blah blah... It's reminiscent of Stuart Dickson and his SIndy *tipping point* posts. Whilst not expecting Brexit to win, I feel more hopeful than I ever expected to be at this stage.
I'm one of life's optimists, I'd replace your cautious optimism with positivity, there's no shame in trying but failing.
Notice how the Remainers have stopped calling us names, how the "Leave should do this..." threads have dried up. They were smugly expecting to be miles clear by now, all that is left for them now is sit with their fingers crossed and hope we don't play France or Germany on 22/6. Who can they wheel out after Obama, they've played all their cards.
Clinton and Blair it would seem.
Actually TSE has completed his transformation by bigging up Mandelson. I thought I'd seen it all, just shows what people will do to ingratiate themselves with others.
Feels odd having so little discussion or media coverage of the forthcoming elections. They're only two days away.
I just looked at the BBC website for the first time in months - not a single election related story in Top 10 read. Didn't see anything about Labour's issues on frontpage.
Bugger, Peter Mandelson has written an article which was very similar to a thread I was planning to run. Why is the Brexit camp so obsessed with immigration? Because that’s all they have......
Oh look over there... distraction politics.
Mandelson has such great influence and appeal to the voters, especially Labour ones. (Shurely schome mishtake Ed)
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What are the circulation figures for The National ? Hard to find.
Yes he Khan...Zac falling back.
You're a lazy creature, but I'm a generous one, so..
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-sands-of-the-times/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36192601
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-sands-of-the-times/
Thanks.
Unlikely to last long on those numbers.
How does it feel to have the London Telegraph outsell the NATonal by over a third?
(how's your pint of bitter handling skills?)
My local cricket club has won CAMRA awards and is a regular haunt of mine.
Unlikely to last long on those numbers.
There's a logical error in the claim that:
Or put another way, at least 82% of adult Scots DON’T buy any newspapers.
That would only be the case if the people which did buy papers did so everyday, some do,. but some will buy papers once or twice a week etc so the 'reach' of the papers is far higher than that is stated.
However in north wales my wife and I walked out of a pub in disgust many years back.
Mind you, considering we have had similar reactions to being "strangers" in pubs in a part of London (which I can't remember might have been Tooting, certainly between Clapham and Morden), and also (strangely enough as a major tourist area) in a pub near Hay on Wye just a few weeks back it might just be closed community type mentality rather than based on race.
He's a Labour socialist who lives in Islington and is out campaigning for Khan.
His views were (semi-jokingly) that the under 50s should have double votes and that pensioners shouldn't vote as they'd be dead in 10-15 years time. He also said that it was outrageous that the Irish, Maltese, Cypriots and Commonwealth citizens could vote but EU citizens could not.
I maintained a dignified silence.
Or put another way, at least 82% of adult Scots DON’T buy any newspapers.
That would only be the case if the people which did buy papers did so everyday, some do,. but some will buy papers once or twice a week etc so the 'reach' of the papers is far higher than that is stated.
Realistically it should be judged on households. If I get a newspaper, my wife also reads it, my adult kids too if they are at home.
Maybe independence is not such a great seller of newspapers?
Realistically it should be judged on households. If I get a newspaper, my wife also reads it, my adult kids too if they are at home.
Oh now you want to measure things per household!!?? Didn't your hero just get the most almighty shellacking because he introduced a new metric: GDP per household??
Sheesh.
some things are best measured on households other not. :-)
I hate hipsters.
Terror organisation Hamas has "welcomed" Jeremy Corbyn's vow to continue talking to the organisation he once called his "friends" despite pressure on him to denounce the group.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/hamas-welcomes-jeremy-corbyns-refusal-to-condemn-islamist-group/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Agree absolutely. TfL is a major part of the Mayor's role, and anyone who has to interact with London in a significant way (including commuters) should be involved in choosing the Mayor.
Michael Gove will be my new MP
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/gerry-adams-ive-never-seen-myself-as-white-34681008.html
ICM Leave 45%, remain 43%.
Northern Ireland Assembly (Lucid Talk)
DUP 27% (-3% on 2011)
SF 26% (-1%)
UUP 15% (+2%)
SDLP 12% (-2%)
TUV 4% (+2%)
Green 3% (+2%)
Others 4%
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/nov/27/scotland-new-paper-the-national-sales-dip
"So you want to reward Goldsmith for his campaign?"
"Oh hell...why is life so bloody difficult?"
She'll probably come round by Thursday, I think.
On topic, I agree with Richard that May is the absolutely obvious choice for the Tories. It'll be cool if they pick Gove instead.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/727495770392420352
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/727497566187864068
His support for gay marriage is welcome but irrelevant given all the other things he has said and done. You would not excuse someone who associated with Nazis just because they voted for gay marriage. Why do so in this case?
I have been willing to praise Khan where praise is due e.g. over gay marriage and his recent statements on anti-Semitism. But I judge in the end on the totality of his actions. And my judgment is that I don't think he will be willing to do what it takes to take the fight to the extremists. I would like to be proved wrong and if I am I will admit this.
Can I suggest you too read this.
To take the fight to the extremists takes courage: moral and physical. People like Maajid Nawaz or Ayan Hirsi Ali or Caroline Fourest have it in spades. Nothing so far suggests that Khan - with his carefully calibrated statements, equivocation and slogans - does.
He may not be a bad Mayor but he is not the man to take the fight to the extremists. IMO. A pity. Now more than ever this needs doing, as the events of the past week have shown us.
The leader of the Scottish Conservatives, has predicted her party will beat Labour into third place for the first time in the history of the Holyrood parliament.
With just one full day of campaigning left before Thursday’s elections, Ruth Davidson said her party’s internal polling leaves her confident that the Tories will be returned as the official opposition to the SNP.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/03/tories-beat-labour-scottish-elections-ruth-davidson?CMP=share_btn_tw
Why is the Brexit camp so obsessed with immigration? Because that’s all they have
Since having its economic arguments blown apart, Vote Leave has had no other option but to rely on xenophobia
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/03/brexit-camp-immigration-economic-vote-leave
Notice how the Remainers have stopped calling us names, how the "Leave should do this..." threads have dried up. They were smugly expecting to be miles clear by now, all that is left for them now is sit with their fingers crossed and hope we don't play France or Germany on 22/6. Who can they wheel out after Obama, they've played all their cards.
"EU energy-related carbon emissions creep up in 2015...
Energy-related carbon dioxide emissions in the European Union crept up 0.7 per cent compared to a year earlier, threatening the bloc's reputation as a leader in climate mitigation and clean energy investment."
(From BusinessGreen)
Still almost two months to go.
Feels odd having so little discussion or media coverage of the forthcoming elections. They're only two days away.
But that is very specifically not taking the fight to the extremists in the Muslim community, is it?
What would be impressive is if he were to go round and speak at mosques, at community events to Muslims and tell them that prejudice against Jews is wrong. It's not the Jews who are the problem here: it's those within the Muslim community (not all, obviously) who are prejudiced, who talk about Hitler and praise the Holocaust and the rest. And that needs calling out: unequivocally and repeatedly and not just in the press or to Jews but to those doing it.
He's more Southern Alabama than Northern Ireland these days.
Mandelson has such great influence and appeal to the voters, especially Labour ones. (Shurely schome mishtake Ed)