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Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

One for the political anoraks, because I don't know the answer.

When was the last time both the Tories and Labour had leadership elections in the same year ?

Has it ever happened before ?

1963. Labour elected Wilson, the Tories Douglas-Home.

That doesn't count. He was elected via the magic circle.

Though it would be the last time the Tories and Labour changed leaders in the same year. I can work with that.

LondonBob said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LondonBob said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LondonBob said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/725950187802255360

Again, what is your point?

An apt profile pick for you.

Sorry Moscow Bobski, if you don't understand you never will.

I have no interest in Pakistan's position.

Who is speaking about Pakistan?

You seem to be the conspiracy theorist, explain to me how this all works?

It's not hard to understand - whether it is true or fair you know people think your views on many issues are biased in favour of Putin and Russia's positions, you know that because people do not hide that is what they think, the same way others are labelled as shills for particular parties. Hence the reference to Moscow.

Now, what about TSEs views made you think his views were biased in favour of Pakistans positions? What are Pakistans positions?

kle4 said:

Plato_Says said:

CD13 said:

I can't see the Labour party getting much sympathy. Their usual response to anything they don't like is to accuse someone of a being 'ist' or being a 'phobe'.

Ken may have 'mis-spoke" in Clintonese, but it's the biter bit.

There's about 700 comments on Ken and Naz in the Times. A remarkable minority defend Ken or her - trying to nitpick Hitler and anti semitic views. I'd say about 10% I've been really surprised

Sadly I've not been surprised at arguments floating around that because Mann opposes Corbyn, which he does, and wants to damage him, which he does, that must mean he and others don't care what Ken said or think it wrong, but are just acting. The possibility of people both genuinely caring and seeking political advantage is not possible in some minds.

One of the reasons Corbyn, Ken and co are anathema is because of their pandering to anti-Semites and various other despicable people whose anti-western/anti-UK/anti-US perspective they approve of. That goes to the heart of why many of us believe they should not be anywhere near the leadership of the Labour party and why we cannot vote for the party while they are.

chestnut said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03skhlg

He (Lord Sugar) stated that Livingstone was "obsessed" with "Hitler, concentration camps and Jews" but believes he will "talk his way out" of expulsion from the party.

Years ago, someone did a word count on Hitler, Jews and IIRC buses in his autobiography. Buses didn't get a mention, the other two rather a lot.

kle4 said:

Moses_ said:

MarqueeMark said:

Moses_ said:

Well given Livingstone has finally been thrown out (albeit temporarily until the dust settles) I guess that leaves Lady Colonel Thornberry to throw out Trident on her own form Labours defence review

Ken will be back off the Naughty Step well before that document is laid in front of the public.

His mate Jeremy will see to it. No crime is so great as to get in the way of delivering unilateral nuclear disarmament...

This sums up Labours entire problem really.....

htt://tinyurl.com/zebpbht

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/725950187802255360

Now now, I thought we'd established at the start of his reign that quoting or showing things he literally said us just smearing?

Honestly. Corbyn is so placid most of the time. There are occasions it can be positive, but there are issues one should not be placid about.

Will Mr.Cameron still be going on campaign for the EU with this nice fellow?

Survation have announced their scheduled polls for the EU Referendum

EU Referendum Polling Release Dates (at time of writing, more may to be added to this schedule).

Wednesday 25th May
Thursday 9th June (provisional)
Thursday 16th June
Thursday 23rd June

Oh dear Jeremy

http://order-order.com/2016/04/29/corbyn-agrees-bbc-are-zionist-liars/

Nothing to see

This is typical of the sort of defence I'm seeing elsewhere "I feel this is more of an attack on Corbyn. Ken does not like the Israeli policy of killing civilians in Gaza but he is not a racist."

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

One for the political anoraks, because I don't know the answer.

When was the last time both the Tories and Labour had leadership elections in the same year ?

Has it ever happened before ?

1963. Labour elected Wilson, the Tories Douglas-Home.

That doesn't count. He was elected via the magic circle.

Though it would be the last time the Tories and Labour changed leaders in the same year. I can work with that.

It might have happened in 2007 if Gordon Brown hadn't bottled the election that never was.

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

One for the political anoraks, because I don't know the answer.

When was the last time both the Tories and Labour had leadership elections in the same year ?

Has it ever happened before ?

1963. Labour elected Wilson, the Tories Douglas-Home.

That doesn't count. He was elected via the magic circle.

Though it would be the last time the Tories and Labour changed leaders in the same year. I can work with that.

It might have happened in 2007 if Gordon Brown hadn't bottled the election that never was.

Very true.

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

That report is a goldmine for Remain.

I did like this observation

Does the economic modelling add up? Almost certainly not. The underlying model is Prof Minford’s “Liverpool model” that, confusingly, is no longer based at Liverpool University, but is of an extreme free-market vintage that became fashionable in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

It does not have a good prediction pedigree. For example, in 1997 the model forecast the new minimum wage would increase unemployment by 3m. Economists subsequently agreed it had no effect.

Morris_Dancer said:

F1: P1 coming to a close.

Also, sounds like Red Bull with have a Don't-Call-It-A-Renault engine again next year.

So, all their bitching in 2015 achieved was to make the team look petulant.

The Mercs will get a 1-2 here unless there's some problem, a dominant display again although the Ferraris didn't run the SS tyres.

The RB power unit is identically homologated to the other Renault PUs, only the Tag Heuer badge is different - TH have nothing to do with it except the sponsorship, they make only nice watches.

Trump pulling even further ahead in the GOP race, 1337 expected median delegate total (Includes unbound but committed/district winner PA).

Even if he loses Indiana narrowly, he is still 97% to exceed 1237 on the first ballot

Detectives believe that his killing may have been organised by those seeking to stop his efforts to 'de-radicalise' young people in the area.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3565135/Prime-suspect-murder-Rochdale-imam-fled-UK-revealed-three-people-remain-custody-death-including-one-terror-offences.html

Quite a claim.

Wanderer said:

Casino_Royale said:

I really don't want to have to do this but, if that's what's required for England to become an Elizabethan free globally trading wealthy nation again, then so be it.

I'd hope Wales could be a co-partner in a co-federal Union (not sure they want to go) and for us to set up some sort of Council of the Isles to coordinate defence, security, foreign policy, fisheries etc. when all nations agree to do so.

The UK is right now free, trades globally, is wealthy and has a monarch called Elizabeth.

It does not have control over its trade, commercial powers, borders, justice powers, social or employment policy or regional policy and is restricted in many areas of its economy by regulation from the EU.

I think we can do so much better, and give a huge boost to our democracy at the same time.

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.

I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.

This is the future the Labour left perhaps unwittingly wish upon us:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4129/islamization-belgium-netherlands

Corbyn hates the West. I'm just not sure he is intelligent enough to admit the end result of his life's direction of travel is total anathema to everything he claims to espouse.

TheScreamingEagles said:

One for the political anoraks, because I don't know the answer.

When was the last time both the Tories and Labour had leadership elections in the same year ?

Has it ever happened before ?

Holyrood 2011 (LDs also).

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

That report is a goldmine for Remain.

I did like this observation

Does the economic modelling add up? Almost certainly not. The underlying model is Prof Minford’s “Liverpool model” that, confusingly, is no longer based at Liverpool University, but is of an extreme free-market vintage that became fashionable in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

It does not have a good prediction pedigree. For example, in 1997 the model forecast the new minimum wage would increase unemployment by 3m. Economists subsequently agreed it had no effect.

They should really call it the Blanchflower model

Hah. Economists were put on the Earth to make astrologers look good.

Casino_Royale said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.

I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.

Does this cheer you up?

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/725611301968420864

or

https://twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/725732441315483648

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

When Khan wins, will it be spun as a big victory for Corbynism?

It is pretty clear that Khan is opposed to Corbynism, despite being one of the guilty who got him onto the ballot paper.

I know, but if Corbyn loses council seats they will need something to point to as good news and evidence that the Corbyn Project is on track. Tricky.

FrancisUrquhart said:

When Khan wins, will it be spun as a big victory for Corbynism?

I guess that those espousing the view that Corbyn would ensure Khan losing might have to suck that one up.

Wanderer said:

OK, it's over. Jesus wept.
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/725965742814990336

I seemed to remember 100's of posts about some politician and his pint of Guinness...

However that photo does sort of sum up why people like Boris and errhh not Zac.

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.

I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.

It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.

Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.

"if we left the EU, it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing "

rottenborough said:

hunchman said:

Scott_P said:

@MatthewWells: OH in the newsroom: 'It's snowing in the north'. Scotland? 'No, the actual north.'

When they've been bottle fed global warming nonsense it's no wonder they're so confused!

Oh dear, he we go. Whether it snows in April or not has nothing to do with global warming.

True -- but when we have a warm spell in February then it does! Anyway - climate changes.

chestnut said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

When Khan wins, will it be spun as a big victory for Corbynism?

An interesting benchmark from the GE2015 is 56.5%.

That's the percentage Labour achieved in a two horse race with the Tories, with all other options removed.

A straightforward 13% win (without second preferences)

56.3% was the 'left wing bloc' (LibLabGrn) against 43.7% (ConUkipOth).

Lib in wrong block

Mr. Eagles, they should add the "I didn't know my name was Frank" quote to make the beer photo complete.

hunchman said:

Remember nature abhors a vacuum.

That Mr. Dyson better watch his back then...

TheScreamingEagles said:

Wanderer said:

OK, it's over. Jesus wept.
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/725965742814990336

Christ, what's he like when he eats a bacon sandwich?

FFS Zac man of the people

Plato_Says said:

Oh dear me

https://twitter.com/MichaelWhite/status/725950000962764800

Well he is also the idiot who thinks this crisis is great news for Jahadi Jez...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/28/at-last-corbyn-acts-labour-interest-naz-shah-livingstone-antisemitism

Very revealing article...basically Naz didn't really do much wrong, it was the nasty right wingers / Cameron's fault.

Morning all.

All I will say on Livingstone is that it takes a lot to be expelled from any political party.

To get thrown out of the same party twice would be an achievement of sorts.

Indigo said:

Plato_Says said:

Oh dear me

s://twitter.com/MichaelWhite/status/725950000962764800

Quick there is a message we don't like, open fire on the messenger chaps (because that worked so well in Rotherham)

And they say that irony is dead.

FrancisUrquhart said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

When Khan wins, will it be spun as a big victory for Corbynism?

It is pretty clear that Khan is opposed to Corbynism, despite being one of the guilty who got him onto the ballot paper.

I know, but if Corbyn loses council seats they will need something to point to as good news and evidence that the Corbyn Project is on track. Tricky.

Corbyn took credit for Oldham, despite giving the campaign a wide berth.

Casino_Royale said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.

I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.

To be fair, I don't think anyone is giving a flying furk about the Referendum this week. There is a somewhat bigger story keeping us amused: Labour and the Death of its Credibility...

MarqueeMark said:

Casino_Royale said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.

I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.

To be fair, I don't think anyone is giving a flying furk about the Referendum this week. There is a somewhat bigger story keeping us amused: Labour and the Death of its Credibility...

I didn't think that there was any story bigger than the referendum for Leavers.

SouthamObserver said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

When Khan wins, will it be spun as a big victory for Corbynism?

It is pretty clear that Khan is opposed to Corbynism, despite being one of the guilty who got him onto the ballot paper.

I know, but if Corbyn loses council seats they will need something to point to as good news and evidence that the Corbyn Project is on track. Tricky.

Corbyn took credit for Oldham, despite giving the campaign a wide berth.

Ranty Mann and his petrol can has made it easy to identify a reason for poor performance

MarqueeMark said:

Casino_Royale said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The FT takes a look at the Economists For Brexit pamphlet:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9394016c-0d43-11e6-b41f-0beb7e589515.html#axzz478b99Zkv

I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.

I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.

To be fair, I don't think anyone is giving a flying furk about the Referendum this week. There is a somewhat bigger story keeping us amused: Labour and the Death of its Credibility...

Did the King of France die this week too ?

Plato_Says said:

Oh dear me

https://twitter.com/MichaelWhite/status/725950000962764800

Isn't Milne still a deputy editor of the Guardian, on leave?

Indigo said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Wanderer said:

OK, it's over. Jesus wept.
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/725965742814990336

Christ, what's he like when he eats a bacon sandwich?

That is the problem with campaigning with a bon-viveur like Boris, his very presence highlights all your failings. There is the robust heart chap who looks (and is known) to enjoy a drink and good company, gazing appreciatively at his pint, and then there is the nervous looking guy at the side of the photo looking for the exit while noticing that whatever he is holding isn't a good claret.

Or Boris knows how to play the game and Zac doesn't.

@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.

Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.

If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.

If there had been a good poll for Goldsmith the Standard would have been all over it.

There was a ComRes poll yesterday but the VI wasn't published which makes me think it was poor for Goldsmith.

I eschewed the opportunity to attend the Conmunist Party public meeting at Upton Park on Tuesday evening but the booklet containing the election addresses of the Mayoral candidates arrived at Stodge Towers yesterday.

Oddly enough all the two page sheets looked similar in the good old Lib Dem Focus style. All looked good enough though some were more positive than others.

Mr. Royale, shade unfair on the Byzantines...