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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,942
    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major. https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    I always thought it was a shame all those people that lost their houses in 1992 as a direct result of Major's ERM madness didn't sue him and the Tory Party... Maybe it's not too late?
    That would be nobody.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,390
    Scott_P said:

    This cannot be correct, can it?

    As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents.
    From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee.
    Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.

    FFS

    Sadly it's all true. Notice how the Zoomers squeal like stuck pigs every time it is mentioned.

    Even some of the Numpties that voted for it are now beginning to notice how ineffably awful an idea it is.
    Why did the 'Ruth Davidson for 2nd best' party abstain on such ineffably awful legislation?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Ex-MEP Peter Skinner jailed for expenses fraud

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-36167299

    Have a guess which party from the headline...I am sure it would have been the same for all parties...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This makes me warm to George Osborne enormously:

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/726005374168498176
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,896

    I'm not sure how you pronounce it is on that list.
    I think you should pronounce it the way his father wanted it pronounced. The son clearly would prefer it pronounced as “Gloroius Leader"
  • Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looks like Farage/UKIP/Leave.EU have been rebuffed by Vote Leave and they will campaign on their own, on immigration.

    and is that a problem in the battle for non-Conservative voters?
    Anyone who is voting on immigration is already voting Leave, all it does it firm up Remain/floating voters.
    Yet, Farage has better ratings among the public than Cameron.
    He also had better ratings than Cameron during the last parliament. How'd that turn out?
    It doesn't matter if Farage gets elected. It's how many votes he brings in on 23rd June that counts. My guess, he'll bring in quite a large number.
    About a third to a quarter of the 50+1 that is needed for victory. For every voter Farage brings Leave need another 2 to 3 voters.
    I'd say one in three is about right.
    I have 47% of the LEAVE (100%) coming from UKIP, 33% from Cons, 13% Lab, resulting in a 54% LEAVE 46% REMAIN result. Overall 58% turnout.
    If only I could believe my guesstimated spreadsheet!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looks like Farage/UKIP/Leave.EU have been rebuffed by Vote Leave and they will campaign on their own, on immigration.

    and is that a problem in the battle for non-Conservative voters?
    Anyone who is voting on immigration is already voting Leave, all it does it firm up Remain/floating voters.
    Yet, Farage has better ratings among the public than Cameron.
    He also had better ratings than Cameron during the last parliament. How'd that turn out?
    It doesn't matter if Farage gets elected. It's how many votes he brings in on 23rd June that counts. My guess, he'll bring in quite a large number.
    About a third to a quarter of the 50+1 that is needed for victory. For every voter Farage brings Leave need another 2 to 3 voters.
    I'd say one in three is about right.
    What do you think is the absolute floor for Leave?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Ex-MEP Peter Skinner jailed for expenses fraud

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-36167299

    Have a guess which party from the headline...I am sure it would have been the same for all parties...

    Right now Labour would welcome coverage being diverted to one of its former MEPs who had just been convicted of fraud.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Indigo said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major.
    /twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    The perks of not needing to get elected any more, you can insult half the electorate and not care.

    It's another WTF comment - seriously, what are these Tories thinking? Trying to burn their own Party down? One can disagree without resorting to this level of stupidity.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    I'm not sure how you pronounce it is on that list.
    I think you should pronounce it the way his father wanted it pronounced. The son clearly would prefer it pronounced as “Gloroius Leader"
    TSE would have got what I was talking about.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major. https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    I always thought it was a shame all those people that lost their houses in 1992 as a direct result of Major's ERM madness didn't sue him and the Tory Party... Maybe it's not too late?
    I remember Ken Clark going cap in hand to the Bundesbank, pleading with them to cut interest rates.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790

    Pulpstar said:

    The Standard have realised it is all over, best to get onside with the new Mayor.

    The Standard has run a lot of articles sympathetic to Sadiq in the last few months, as well as some very critical ones. They are actually fairly even-handed overall, I'd say.

    They did launch a half-hearted attack on him a couple of weeks ago, but then it emerged that Goldsmith had met a lot of the people they were criticising Khan for having met. Compared to the last two mayoral elections the Standard is far more even-handed: different editor and owner, I think.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728

    Indigo said:

    Pauly said:

    Real project fear from Nigel Farage.

    Nasty, nasty man, no wonder whenever the people have a chance to elect him as an MP, they reject him every time.

    What did he say that is nasty? At least put forward an argument with you know, some evidence or quotes...
    "if you vote to remain you are voting to go into political union with Turkey"

    or

    "Mrs Merkel now supports political union with Turkey, like David Cameron always has"

    I mean really? really
    I am almost certain he could produce at least quotes if not documentation to support that view. People on here have been questioning the wisdom of Cameron's flirting with Turkey for some while now.
    I'll be quite interested to see a link with David Cameron saying he supports a political union with Turkey.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11283924/David-Cameron-I-still-want-Turkey-to-join-EU-despite-migrant-fears.html
    Again, so no evidence of Cameron wanting us be in a political union with Turkey.

    Thanks for clearing that up, more evidence Farage was talking bollocks and engaging in Project Fear.
    The EU will be political union. It's only TPDs like you who try to deny the fact.

    You have become the very thing you hated.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looks like Farage/UKIP/Leave.EU have been rebuffed by Vote Leave and they will campaign on their own, on immigration.

    and is that a problem in the battle for non-Conservative voters?
    Anyone who is voting on immigration is already voting Leave, all it does it firm up Remain/floating voters.
    Yet, Farage has better ratings among the public than Cameron.
    He also had better ratings than Cameron during the last parliament. How'd that turn out?
    It doesn't matter if Farage gets elected. It's how many votes he brings in on 23rd June that counts. My guess, he'll bring in quite a large number.
    About a third to a quarter of the 50+1 that is needed for victory. For every voter Farage brings Leave need another 2 to 3 voters.
    I'd say one in three is about right.
    I have 47% of the LEAVE (100%) coming from UKIP, 33% from Cons, 13% Lab, resulting in a 54% LEAVE 46% REMAIN result. Overall 58% turnout.
    If only I could believe my guesstimated spreadsheet!
    So you make UKIP over a quarter of the electorate on a 58% turnout?
  • The fact that we have one group of voters (UKIP) going 99% for LEAVE and with a probable turnout level of 80%+ Gives a massive block of voters, if UKIP does now represent 18% to 20% of all voters. Projections that predict LEAVE being as low as 40%, look for the birds if turnout is well under 70%.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major. https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    It's a perfectly sensible point. Sovereignty is not either/or but a spectrum. Seeking to move further from sharing sovereignty has downsides as well as upsides, as North Korea helpfully demonstrates.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790
    Scott_P said:

    This cannot be correct, can it?

    As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents.
    From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee.
    Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.

    FFS

    Sadly it's all true. Notice how the Zoomers squeal like stuck pigs every time it is mentioned.

    Even some of the Numpties that voted for it are now beginning to notice how ineffably awful an idea it is.

    is there anything parents can do about it? That is such a huge intrusion into people's lives.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,942
    taffys said:

    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major. https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    I always thought it was a shame all those people that lost their houses in 1992 as a direct result of Major's ERM madness didn't sue him and the Tory Party... Maybe it's not too late?
    I remember Ken Clark going cap in hand to the Bundesbank, pleading with them to cut interest rates.
    Proof of how unreliable memory can be.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Anecdote, but a friend of my mother's (former Lib Dem voter) is likely to vote Leave, on the basis that she's worried about Turkey. She's a bit lefty (not a Corbynite nutcase or anything), so that rather surprised me.

    Leave's Project Fear in action.
    It's a fact that David Cameron wants Turkey to join the EU and that this would leave to c.75 million having free movement rights to the UK.

    In practice it will never happen, for reasons Robert has pointed out many times, because multiple countries will veto it. But it is valid for Leave to point this out as it's declared policy of the U.K. Government.

    I think Cameron's cost-free countermove is obvious: he can (like France) offer another referendum in the future if Turkey looks likely to join. Which will never be called because it will never need to be, but might get some votes back to Remain.

    Vote Leave should be prepared for this.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited April 2016

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Looks like Farage/UKIP/Leave.EU have been rebuffed by Vote Leave and they will campaign on their own, on immigration.

    and is that a problem in the battle for non-Conservative voters?
    Anyone who is voting on immigration is already voting Leave, all it does it firm up Remain/floating voters.
    Yet, Farage has better ratings among the public than Cameron.
    He also had better ratings than Cameron during the last parliament. How'd that turn out?
    It doesn't matter if Farage gets elected. It's how many votes he brings in on 23rd June that counts. My guess, he'll bring in quite a large number.
    About a third to a quarter of the 50+1 that is needed for victory. For every voter Farage brings Leave need another 2 to 3 voters.
    I'd say one in three is about right.
    I have 47% of the LEAVE (100%) coming from UKIP, 33% from Cons, 13% Lab, resulting in a 54% LEAVE 46% REMAIN result. Overall 58% turnout.
    If only I could believe my guesstimated spreadsheet!
    So you make UKIP over a quarter of the electorate on a 58% turnout?
    Yes due to turnout motivations. They do not have many flaky lefty and younger voters that cannot be ars**d to vote.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,253
    Through the Looking Glass......Tartan Tory SNP's voters are actually more left wing than Increase Taxes Scottish Labour's:

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/snp-voters-much-left-wing-labour/
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Pulpstar said:

    The Standard have realised it is all over, best to get onside with the new Mayor.

    The Standard has run a lot of articles sympathetic to Sadiq in the last few months, as well as some very critical ones. They are actually fairly even-handed overall, I'd say.

    They did launch a half-hearted attack on him a couple of weeks ago, but then it emerged that Goldsmith had met a lot of the people they were criticising Khan for having met. Compared to the last two mayoral elections the Standard is far more even-handed: different editor and owner, I think.

    Different candidates, more likely. Sadiq Khan is not Ken Livingstone, thank goodness. And Zac is not Boris, unfortunately.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2016

    Ex-MEP Peter Skinner jailed for expenses fraud

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-36167299

    Have a guess which party from the headline...I am sure it would have been the same for all parties...

    Right now Labour would welcome coverage being diverted to one of its former MEPs who had just been convicted of fraud.
    If Aunty gets her act together and reports the Marie Rimmer court case, the front page will have Labour politicians expelled for anti-Semitism, jailed for fraud and another for physically assaulting an OAP. - Just saying :lol:
  • dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major. https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    Cameron shouldn't welcome John " Black Wednesday " Major's support. Somethings are better forgotten.
    No, the mindset at Number 10 & 11 is that any person from the Conservatives advocating REMAIN is an asset.....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,253

    Scott_P said:

    This cannot be correct, can it?

    As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents.
    From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee.
    Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.

    FFS

    Sadly it's all true. Notice how the Zoomers squeal like stuck pigs every time it is mentioned.

    Even some of the Numpties that voted for it are now beginning to notice how ineffably awful an idea it is.
    Why did the 'Ruth Davidson for 2nd best' party abstain on such ineffably awful legislation?
    When all the other parties voted for it?

    Maybe they had doubts?
  • NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

  • Indigo said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Just as I thought Ken Livingstone was the sole Westminster Village Idiot, up pops John Major.
    /twitter.com/politicshome/status/726000556377034752

    The perks of not needing to get elected any more, you can insult half the electorate and not care.

    It's another WTF comment - seriously, what are these Tories thinking? Trying to burn their own Party down? One can disagree without resorting to this level of stupidity.
    They think that half the REMAIN voters are going to come from the Conservatives. Oh dear. Something that is probably a mathematical impossibility unless turnout is under 50% and REMAIN will be f***d if that happens by the kipper wedge.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tamcohen: EXC Interview with Ken Livingstone online soon: says party inquiry has to let him back in bcos he first made his Hitler claims 30 years ago
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865



    Does the Head Gardener live with Big Brother?

    Jesus Christ.

    Is that God?
    No. It is Alanis Morissette
    Yay, another Kevin Smith fan.



    Does the Head Gardener live with Big Brother?

    Jesus Christ.

    Is that God?
    No. It is Alanis Morissette
    Yay, another Kevin Smith fan.
    Well, just a Dogma fan really!
    Quite - only decent film he's made (in fairness I haven't see his last couple)
    Jonathan said:

    PB seems to be obsessed with certain parochial mayoral elections.

    When do we get to cover the main event? The police and crime commissioners election is buzzing up and down the country. It's on a knife edge. Will I get off my arse and vote or stay at home for the first time ever?

    I'd vote, personally. I know it's a pointless, overly political post whose sole benefit - you can kick them out if they do a poor job - is not even true (since most areas will vote for whatever party they always vote for - we can hope independents manage to hold on this time), but even so, it is a vote.

    I may spoil my ballot, though.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,798

    Indigo said:

    Pauly said:

    Real project fear from Nigel Farage.

    Nasty, nasty man, no wonder whenever the people have a chance to elect him as an MP, they reject him every time.

    What did he say that is nasty? At least put forward an argument with you know, some evidence or quotes...
    "if you vote to remain you are voting to go into political union with Turkey"

    or

    "Mrs Merkel now supports political union with Turkey, like David Cameron always has"

    I mean really? really
    I am almost certain he could produce at least quotes if not documentation to support that view. People on here have been questioning the wisdom of Cameron's flirting with Turkey for some while now.
    I'll be quite interested to see a link with David Cameron saying he supports a political union with Turkey.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11283924/David-Cameron-I-still-want-Turkey-to-join-EU-despite-migrant-fears.html
    Again, so no evidence of Cameron wanting us be in a political union with Turkey.

    Thanks for clearing that up, more evidence Farage was talking bollocks and engaging in Project Fear.
    You didn't read that did you? You couldn't have done in the time you posted.

    I'll help you out, Cameron says Turkey is "vital" to us.

    Vital: absolutely necessary; essential.

    Keep digging fan boy.
    I'm a speed reader.

    But again, it contains no evidence of Cameron saying he wants us be in a political union with Turkey.

    Now come back and show me where Cameron has said he wants us to be in a political union with Turkey.
    There is no such thing as speed reading

    http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/issue-sections/features-issue-sections/16352/speed-reading-does-not-work/

    What you can do is scan for words and phrases quickly...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    malcolmg said:

    I notice that all the frothers ignore mentioning oil nowadays. Odd now that it is on a steady upward trend ( up 22% this month ), wonder if that could be something to do with it.

    Since tax is collected on profits and little of the North Sea is profitable below $60, I wouldn't break out the bunting yet.

    Just be cheered your compatriots could spot a pig in a poke when offered one.....
    North Sea Oil corporation tax is ring fenced so a lot of normal business deductions are not available on the income.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723

    Through the Looking Glass......Tartan Tory SNP's voters are actually more left wing than Increase Taxes Scottish Labour's:

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/snp-voters-much-left-wing-labour/

    Labour are not and have not been left wing for a long time. They are all for filling their own pockets at anyone else's expense for sure. Hopefully the absolutely useless despised and hated Tories beat them for second and put the last nail in their coffin. SNP being a centre party is what most people want, not nutty left wingers or the greedy grasping odious right wing Tories.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    This cannot be correct, can it?

    As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents.
    From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee.
    Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.

    FFS

    If true that is really quite worrying.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Morning all,

    Gruesome headlines for Labour. Meanwhile, Telegraph reporting that Miliband Snr is to take top US job if Clinton wins. Even the Prince Over the Water has thrown in the towel.

    Two questions for :Tory Peebies.

    First, what benefit does England enjoy from the Labour Party's being legal?

    Second, what would have to happen for it to cease to enjoy that benefit?

    And you wonder why some consider you a cretin?
    I didn't think it was in any doubt.
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