I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
To be fair, I am happy to read any point of view but I never can read the FT because of the paywall. It's about as objective as Juncker but I'm always amused to read how the FT intends to show people towards further EU integration with its voodoo economics as it did for the euro and ERM.
I'll start taking your barbs that I'm rabid for not reading the FT when you start taking those of Leavers for ignoring the Mail, Express or Telegraph.
The FT piece is a pretty slipshod effort, as we might expect I'm afraid from Chris Giles.
He doesn't do much real analysis, as again we would expect, and makes a number of very shaky assumptions.
Particularly shaky is his claim that the HMT study 'used data' to 'find' that the EU created lots of trade and didn't divert much. In fact, what HMT have done is try to estimate a particular kind of model called a 'gravity model' to UK trade.
These models are widely used but should be treated with extreme caution as they are incredibly sensitive to small changes in assumptions and often suffer from serious methodological flaws.
For example, the well known study by Rose (2000) on the trade creating effects of currency unions had a headline number showing trade increased between the currency union partners by 200%. But a slightly different (and better) specification had the increase at 17%. Then a follow-up paper the next year saw the effect drop to zero.
By accident or design these kinds of models can spit out a ridiculously wide range of results.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
The FT thought we should join the euro. #wrongthenwrongnow
It also backed Cameron last year. Wrong then wrong now?
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
The FT thought we should join the euro. #wrongthenwrongnow
It also backed Cameron last year. Wrong then wrong now?
Actually they backed a continuation of the coalition, wrong then, wrong now!
Labour Party under Corbyn-McDonnell-Milne? Beyond repair, surely.
It goes further than those three.
You have a membership which has been artificially inflated by Miliband's 'reforms' You have a membership which is further to the left than it has been in decades You have a membership which elects the next leader
It would take an amazing candidate to turn the current membership to their own advantage.
Can you see anyone on the Labour benches who is amazing?
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
The FT thought we should join the euro. #wrongthenwrongnow
It also backed Cameron last year. Wrong then wrong now?
Actually they backed a continuation of the coalition, wrong then, wrong now!
They backed Cameron to continue as PM and Osborne to continue as CotE.
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
The FT thought we should join the euro. #wrongthenwrongnow
It also backed Cameron last year. Wrong then wrong now?
Actually they backed a continuation of the coalition, wrong then, wrong now!
They backed Cameron to continue as PM.
But only on the proviso he continued to be hobbled by an internal opposition in the shape of the Lib Dems.
May I thank REMAIN/Osborne for the latest cunning plan in getting Conservative exPM John Major to speak on and on this morning on R4 Today programme. It is very useful to keep up the drive to persuade all the non-Conservative voters to vote LEAVE.
'Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."'
He wasn't wrong there.
Snow caused chaos back then too. But as for "children just aren't going to know what snow is", that's a prediction of AGW that has been comprehensively falsified.
Not at all. Viner gave no dates - it's an open ended statement. It's perfectly possible that, in the future, there will be children in the UK who don't know what snow is. What he means, of course, is that snow in the UK is likely to become more of a rarity, but heavy snowfalls will still happen occasionally. The idea that the reality of AGW hinges on the precise timing of snow in the UK is absurd.
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
The FT thought we should join the euro. #wrongthenwrongnow
It also backed Cameron last year. Wrong then wrong now?
Actually they backed a continuation of the coalition, wrong then, wrong now!
A continuation of the coalition would have been far preferable to what we now have, lurching from one chaotic u-turn to the next.
"Just as the Tories have an interest in stoking up the flames of whatever crisis is here - which I think by the way is largely a crisis of perceptions - so do some people in Labour, and I'm afraid John Mann is one of them. John Mann is no supporter of Jeremy Corbyn." - Jon Lansman, founder of Momentum,
Conservatives 'to blame for stoking anti-Semitism row'
Mr Lansman said he did not think Labour had a "a particular problem with anti-Semitism, society has a problem".
crisis of perceptions..interesting way of putting Hug-A-Hitler's comments yesterday
So this is all the Tories and societies fault...brilliant.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
Yes.
I'm not impressed by personality politics but I'm afraid we have to fight fire with fire, Hannan (and I suspect others) are decent people. But billboards have to go up in WWC areas with Cameron and Osborne grinning next to an EU flag.
Meeks will give advice about what Leave should do, you have to do the opposite of what your enemy wants. Remain have taken the campaign into the gutter, Leave have to compete with every means available.
May I thank REMAIN/Osborne for the latest cunning plan in getting Conservative exPM John Major to speak on and on this morning on R4 Today programme. It is very useful to keep up the drive to persuade all the non-Conservative voters to vote LEAVE.
I thought you though that all non-Conservative voters were either stupid, vicious or both.
I would propose you for God Almighty except that Sean Thomas got there first.
Nevertheless: remember: everything you dislike about life is wholly my fault. I should be put to death
Labour Party under Corbyn-McDonnell-Milne? Beyond repair, surely.
The one MP in the inner Corbyn team who is not tainted by dodgy statements and stinky associates is Jon Trickett. He also has support from Miliband, Cruddas etc and respect from the right wing. One to watch?
"Just as the Tories have an interest in stoking up the flames of whatever crisis is here - which I think by the way is largely a crisis of perceptions - so do some people in Labour, and I'm afraid John Mann is one of them. John Mann is no supporter of Jeremy Corbyn." - Jon Lansman, founder of Momentum,
Conservatives 'to blame for stoking anti-Semitism row'
Mr Lansman said he did not think Labour had a "a particular problem with anti-Semitism, society has a problem".
crisis of perceptions..interesting way of putting Hug-A-Hitler's comments yesterday
So this is all the Tories and societies fault...brilliant.
"Just as the Tories have an interest in stoking up the flames of whatever crisis is here - which I think by the way is largely a crisis of perceptions - so do some people in Labour, and I'm afraid John Mann is one of them. John Mann is no supporter of Jeremy Corbyn." - Jon Lansman, founder of Momentum,
Conservatives 'to blame for stoking anti-Semitism row'
Mr Lansman said he did not think Labour had a "a particular problem with anti-Semitism, society has a problem".
crisis of perceptions..interesting way of putting Hug-A-Hitler's comments yesterday
So this is all the Tories and societies fault...brilliant.
Lansman, of course, was called for Livingstone to get out of politics yesterday
'Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."'
He wasn't wrong there.
Snow caused chaos back then too. But as for "children just aren't going to know what snow is", that's a prediction of AGW that has been comprehensively falsified.
Not at all. Viner gave no dates - it's an open ended statement. It's perfectly possible that, in the future, there will be children in the UK who don't know what snow is. What he means, of course, is that snow in the UK is likely to become more of a rarity, but heavy snowfalls will still happen occasionally. The idea that the reality of AGW hinges on the precise timing of snow in the UK is absurd.
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
The zealots would still claim that was a sign of AGW, though, wouldn't they?
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
Yes.
I'm not impressed by personality politics but I'm afraid we have to fight fire with fire, Hannan (and I suspect others) are decent people. But billboards have to go up in WWC areas with Cameron and Osborne grinning next to an EU flag.
Meeks will give advice about what Leave should do, you have to do the opposite of what your enemy wants. Remain have taken the campaign into the gutter, Leave have to compete with every means available.
Osborne is unpopular but is appealing to the authority of the Establishment, of which he is a part, on the economy to win.
If Leave want to run this close they have to directly undermine the credibility of that. And there's plenty of material to choose from.
Lord Sugar on Livingstone's 'obsession" with Hitler
In the interview he says "Livingstone is a crony of Corbyn, Khan is a crony of Corbyn, they are peas from the same pod"...and he just goes on and on about how they will slip him back in etc etc etc.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
"... going along with our Scotland as a garden theme the children discussed the role of Gardeners (all the adults in their lives) and the job of Head Gardener (the Named Person). Children identified that all adults – family members and professional people – have and share equally a duty to make sure all children are healthy, happy and safe. The overarching requirement of a Named Person (their Head Gardener) would be that this person’s key role is to keep children safe and to ensure good communication between people who are interested in the child."
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
It's a bit sad that you're not even prepared to read views from what you consider the Dark Side.
Why do I post such links? Because between the 15 links a day to Guido and Breitbart on pb it's occasionally useful to have some proper analysis. No one has to agree with it, but you have to be pretty rabid if you think the FT has nothing of interest to say on economic analysis simply because it largely favours Remain.
The FT thought we should join the euro. #wrongthenwrongnow
It also backed Cameron last year. Wrong then wrong now?
Actually they backed a continuation of the coalition, wrong then, wrong now!
A continuation of the coalition would have been far preferable to what we now have, lurching from one chaotic u-turn to the next.
It's probably a discussion for another time but I think Cameron/Osborne were very well suited to coalition politics but not to majority Conservative government in their own party.
It is possible that a replacement of Osborne (entirely) with someone like Gove or Leadsom or Raab could change this, with Cameron remaining as PM and figurehead and tacking into the wind accordingly, but, personally, I think it's becoming harder every day.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
It was a brilliant poster.
They work best when they neatly sum up what people already think or suspect.
'Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."'
He wasn't wrong there.
Snow caused chaos back then too. But as for "children just aren't going to know what snow is", that's a prediction of AGW that has been comprehensively falsified.
Not at all. Viner gave no dates - it's an open ended statement. It's perfectly possible that, in the future, there will be children in the UK who don't know what snow is. What he means, of course, is that snow in the UK is likely to become more of a rarity, but heavy snowfalls will still happen occasionally. The idea that the reality of AGW hinges on the precise timing of snow in the UK is absurd.
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.
Nope, no timescales mentioned there.
Read more closely - that's not a timescale for children forgetting about snow!
I doubt very many Leavers are going to be impressed by what the Financial Times has to say on this subject. Not that'll stop you from continually posting such articles for the next 7 weeks.
I suppose it's good for Remainer morale, and cheers you up though. That's something.
To be fair, I don't think anyone is giving a flying furk about the Referendum this week. There is a somewhat bigger story keeping us amused: Labour and the Death of its Credibility...
I didn't think that there was any story bigger than the referendum for Leavers.
Looking at it objectively, is Labour heading from 2/10 to 1/10 on the credibility front a bigger story than whether we might stay in or out of the EU ?
Probably not bigger but certainly more engrossing.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
Yes.
I'm not impressed by personality politics but I'm afraid we have to fight fire with fire, Hannan (and I suspect others) are decent people. But billboards have to go up in WWC areas with Cameron and Osborne grinning next to an EU flag.
Meeks will give advice about what Leave should do, you have to do the opposite of what your enemy wants. Remain have taken the campaign into the gutter, Leave have to compete with every means available.
Osborne is unpopular but is appealing to the authority of the Establishment, of which he is a part, on the economy to win.
If Leave want to run this close they have to directly undermine the credibility of that. And there's plenty of material to choose from.
Nah, understand the target audience. Northern labour town hate the tories far more than they love the EU, its nothing to do with economic forecasts.
Why do you think Meeks hasn't written a thread header (and he's done plenty) suggesting what you and I touch on? Partly because he doesn't have a clue what labour voters in the north think, but more importantly because he knows it would work.
I know some Vote Leave people, all decent, conservative types, but I'm afraid they've got to stoop to Osborne's level if we're to win. View this through Meeks' eyes - he wants us to bang on about immigration, think why. Make it personal, stir up class war, it will be uncomfortable but we're not going to get another chance.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
Yes.
I'm not impressed by personality politics but I'm afraid we have to fight fire with fire, Hannan (and I suspect others) are decent people. But billboards have to go up in WWC areas with Cameron and Osborne grinning next to an EU flag.
Meeks will give advice about what Leave should do, you have to do the opposite of what your enemy wants. Remain have taken the campaign into the gutter, Leave have to compete with every means available.
Osborne is unpopular but is appealing to the authority of the Establishment, of which he is a part, on the economy to win.
If Leave want to run this close they have to directly undermine the credibility of that. And there's plenty of material to choose from.
To undermine the credibility of authority the messenger has to be someone perceived as phenomenally successful. It's why Trump can get away with saying that the people running the country don't know what they're doing, and Nigel Farage can't.
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
The zealots would still claim that was a sign of AGW, though, wouldn't they?
I don't know about the zealots, whoever they are, but it would certainly convince the scientists.
As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents. From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee. Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.
That said, most people seem less than impressed with Obama's condescension, and a few minutes at a speech won't make a huge difference.
Incidentally, and on an unrelated note [unless you believe leaving the EU will cause an apocalypse], the Survival mode for Fallout 4 comes to consoles next week. Hoping it lives up to expectations.
'Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."'
He wasn't wrong there.
Snow caused chaos back then too. But as for "children just aren't going to know what snow is", that's a prediction of AGW that has been comprehensively falsified.
Not at all. Viner gave no dates - it's an open ended statement. It's perfectly possible that, in the future, there will be children in the UK who don't know what snow is. What he means, of course, is that snow in the UK is likely to become more of a rarity, but heavy snowfalls will still happen occasionally. The idea that the reality of AGW hinges on the precise timing of snow in the UK is absurd.
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
I thought you said a couple of days ago you weren't going to debate AGW on here?
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
Yes.
I'm not impressed by personality politics but I'm afraid we have to fight fire with fire, Hannan (and I suspect others) are decent people. But billboards have to go up in WWC areas with Cameron and Osborne grinning next to an EU flag.
Meeks will give advice about what Leave should do, you have to do the opposite of what your enemy wants. Remain have taken the campaign into the gutter, Leave have to compete with every means available.
Osborne is unpopular but is appealing to the authority of the Establishment, of which he is a part, on the economy to win.
If Leave want to run this close they have to directly undermine the credibility of that. And there's plenty of material to choose from.
To undermine the credibility of authority the messenger has to be someone perceived as phenomenally successful. It's why Trump can get away with saying that the people running the country don't know what they're doing, and Nigel Farage can't.
According to Yougov, more people trust Farage on the EU than trust Cameron.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
"... going along with our Scotland as a garden theme the children discussed the role of Gardeners (all the adults in their lives) and the job of Head Gardener (the Named Person). Children identified that all adults – family members and professional people – have and share equally a duty to make sure all children are healthy, happy and safe. The overarching requirement of a Named Person (their Head Gardener) would be that this person’s key role is to keep children safe and to ensure good communication between people who are interested in the child."
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Michael Gove (co-covener of Vote Leave) will never authorise or campaign in such a way,
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
It's good to see that Remain have, at least, attempted to quantify the economic effects of leaving the EU, and have been transparent about their methods (which are, of course, open to criticism). Has Leave made any similar attempt at quantification, or is it just rosy promises of post-Brexit economic bliss?
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
It's good to see that Remain have, at least, attempted to quantify the economic effects of leaving the EU, and have been transparent about their methods (which are, of course, open to criticism). Has Leave made any similar attempt at quantification, or is it just rosy promises of post-Brexit economic bliss?
Google it - it was published yesterday and eclipsed temporily by Ken.
As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents. From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee. Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.
FFS
It appears to be absolutely correct. And is a very, very scary step.
Very scary indeed. Given the (at best) patchy history of schools and social workers dealing with warning signs, this is going to lead to massive problems and families either being ripped apart by over-zealous 'named persons' or abuse being missed/ignored because people don't want to engage because of 'cultural sensitivities'
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Michael Gove (co-covener of Vote Leave) will never authorise or campaign in such a way,
You may be right, but it would work.
If Gove is going at this half heartedly he'll regret it, there won't be another chance. He'll be in danger of burning the bridge at both ends, Remain calling him a traitor, Leave a double agent.
"Just as the Tories have an interest in stoking up the flames of whatever crisis is here - which I think by the way is largely a crisis of perceptions - so do some people in Labour, and I'm afraid John Mann is one of them. John Mann is no supporter of Jeremy Corbyn." - Jon Lansman, founder of Momentum,
Conservatives 'to blame for stoking anti-Semitism row'
Mr Lansman said he did not think Labour had a "a particular problem with anti-Semitism, society has a problem".
crisis of perceptions..interesting way of putting Hug-A-Hitler's comments yesterday
So this is all the Tories and societies fault...brilliant.
Lansman, of course, was called for Livingstone to get out of politics yesterday
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Michael Gove (co-covener of Vote Leave) will never authorise or campaign in such a way,
You may be right, but it would work.
If Gove is going at this half heartedly he'll regret it, there won't be another chance. He'll be in danger of burning the bridge at both ends, Remain calling him a traitor, Leave a double agent.
No one on Remain will call him a traitor. That's the preserve of Leavers.
Two men and a woman from Birmingham have been charged with terror offences as part of a UK probe launched after the Paris and Brussels attacks. Mohammed Ali Ahmed and Zakaria Boufassil are both charged with funding terrorism on or before 7 July 2015. Mr Ahmed and Soumaya Boufassil are separately charged with preparation of acts of terrorism between January 2015 and this month. The three, from Small Heath, are due before magistrates in London on Friday. West Midlands Police said they were among five people arrested in Birmingham on 14 April and at Gatwick Airport the next day.
But, already, rather buried away in News, click England, click Regions, click West Midalnds, click Birmingham & Black Country.
The worst word is almost certainly 'pre-prepared'. A tautology that has the effect of making the speaker sound like they're terminally stupid.
What other kind of ****ing prepared is there? You can't prepare after something's happened. And the damned prefix is already there!
Hmmmm. Presumably you would have a similar problem with a Blue Peter presenter saying "Here is one I prepared earlier"? After all, what is that if not pre-prepared?
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Michael Gove (co-covener of Vote Leave) will never authorise or campaign in such a way,
You may be right, but it would work.
If Gove is going at this half heartedly he'll regret it, there won't be another chance. He'll be in danger of burning the bridge at both ends, Remain calling him a traitor, Leave a double agent.
No one on Remain will call him a traitor. That's the preserve of Leavers.
I'm never certain what you believe or what you say for effect. I don't think you believe in anything much.
Would the remain campaign and the remain apologists on here like to confirm that this is true? Is this really the kind of European Union that the UK should wish to remain a member of?
As I said yesterday, when the going gets tough for governments such as now, throughout history they always turn AGAINST the people.
Yes, the EU army in the Europe, and the black UN helicopters in the US are preparing for a military coup.
Cuckoo.
Are you watching BBG atm Robert?
As in Bloomberg TV? I only watch it when I'm on it
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Michael Gove (co-covener of Vote Leave) will never authorise or campaign in such a way,
You may be right, but it would work.
If Gove is going at this half heartedly he'll regret it, there won't be another chance. He'll be in danger of burning the bridge at both ends, Remain calling him a traitor, Leave a double agent.
I don't think so.
I think Leave will get 35-40% of the vote without doing much else. Farage can usefully motivate and drive up turnout amongst this base, if he gets out on the streets and doors.
To win over another 15-20% Vote Leave need to demonstrate a open, positive, global and internationalist Britain with a much brighter future out than in.
That's where Gove and Hannan come in.
It might not be enough to win, but it's the right campaign approach. My criticism of Vote Leave is confined to their slow footedness, and lack of discernible energy and visible initiative. And the fact they always seem to be defensive and on the back foot.
The worst word is almost certainly 'pre-prepared'. A tautology that has the effect of making the speaker sound like they're terminally stupid.
What other kind of ****ing prepared is there? You can't prepare after something's happened. And the damned prefix is already there!
Hmmmm. Presumably you would have a similar problem with a Blue Peter presenter saying "Here is one I prepared earlier"? After all, what is that if not pre-prepared?
Always pare or pre-pare your pre-prepared texts to strip out any unnecessary prefixes.
@ TSE - no, but the leader of your campaign has admitted wages will raise.
Incidentally, I'm emailing Vote Leave to suggest they do a giant poster of a grinning Osborne and his stupid Byzantine formula to show how they're trying to fool the people into voting Remain. I will make sure The Dodgy Figure is not quoted though.
If that does materialise I hope you enjoy it.
I love all political posters.
Lol! A sporting response ;-)
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
Absolutely correct.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Michael Gove (co-covener of Vote Leave) will never authorise or campaign in such a way,
You may be right, but it would work.
If Gove is going at this half heartedly he'll regret it, there won't be another chance. He'll be in danger of burning the bridge at both ends, Remain calling him a traitor, Leave a double agent.
I don't think so.
I think Leave will get 35-40% of the vote without doing much else. Farage can usefully motivate and drive up turnout amongst this base, if he gets out on the streets and doors.
To win over another 15-20% Vote Leave need to demonstrate a open, positive, global and internationalist Britain with a much brighter future out than in.
That's where Gove and Hannan come in.
It might not be enough to win, but it's the right campaign approach. My criticism of Vote Leave is confined to their slow footedness, and lack of discernible energy and visible initiative. And the fact they always seem to be defensive and on the back foot.
The NHS being the exception.
You're looking at this through the eyes of a conservative, get into the mind of the WWC in Barnsley or Widnes. They've never heard of EEA or EFTA, they flirt with Ukip but vote labour, wouldn't vote conservative if you paid them.
This has to get nasty, ask Crosby about his attacks on Miliband.
On topic: This poll might be over-stating Sadiq's lead, but overall his victory looks as assured as anything ever can be in politics. I don't think Labour's anti-Semitism crisis will have a big effect on this contest or indeed in the wider picture, although obviously it doesn't help.
Unfortunately, I think Sadiq has espoused some seriously damaging policies, in particular on transport fares and on housing. On the latter, if he seriously is going to insist on 50% quotas for 'affordable' housing and on daft restrictions on sales, the only effect will be to reduce the supply of new housing of all sorts, affordable or otherwise. One can only hope that he is just spouting this nonsense for electoral reasons, and will actually be more sensible in office.
Buzzfeed trying to explain Ken and Hitler to their US audience
The United Kingdom is basically the birthplace of parliamentary democracy, so it’s no wonder that they keep finding new and exciting ways to show the world just how weird and banal a system it can be.
Nasty, nasty man, no wonder whenever the people have a chance to elect him as an MP, they reject him every time.
What did he say that is nasty? At least put forward an argument with you know, some evidence or quotes...
"if you vote to remain you are voting to go into political union with Turkey"
or
"Mrs Merkel now supports political union with Turkey, like David Cameron always has"
I mean really? really
I am almost certain he could produce at least quotes if not documentation to support that view. People on here have been questioning the wisdom of Cameron's flirting with Turkey for some while now.
Nasty, nasty man, no wonder whenever the people have a chance to elect him as an MP, they reject him every time.
What did he say that is nasty? At least put forward an argument with you know, some evidence or quotes...
"if you vote to remain you are voting to go into political union with Turkey"
or
"Mrs Merkel now supports political union with Turkey, like David Cameron always has"
I mean really? really
I am almost certain he could produce at least quotes if not documentation to support that view. People on here have been questioning the wisdom of Cameron's flirting with Turkey for some while now.
I'll be quite interested to see a link with David Cameron saying he supports a political union with Turkey.
Comments
He doesn't do much real analysis, as again we would expect, and makes a number of very shaky assumptions.
Particularly shaky is his claim that the HMT study 'used data' to 'find' that the EU created lots of trade and didn't divert much. In fact, what HMT have done is try to estimate a particular kind of model called a 'gravity model' to UK trade.
These models are widely used but should be treated with extreme caution as they are incredibly sensitive to small changes in assumptions and often suffer from serious methodological flaws.
For example, the well known study by Rose (2000) on the trade creating effects of currency unions had a headline number showing trade increased between the currency union partners by 200%. But a slightly different (and better) specification had the increase at 17%. Then a follow-up paper the next year saw the effect drop to zero.
By accident or design these kinds of models can spit out a ridiculously wide range of results.
" New York Times boss sued over alleged ageist, racist and sexist hiring practices
Paper denies ‘unjustified’ claims that CEO Mark Thompson introduced culture that favors ‘young, white’ and single staffers to older female and black employees"
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/28/new-york-times-ceo-sued-discriminatory-hiring-practices?CMP=share_btn_tw
titters..
India installing a laser wall between them & pakistan
http://m.slashdot.org/story/310551
You have a membership which has been artificially inflated by Miliband's 'reforms'
You have a membership which is further to the left than it has been in decades
You have a membership which elects the next leader
It would take an amazing candidate to turn the current membership to their own advantage.
Can you see anyone on the Labour benches who is amazing?
What would really falsify AGW would be if the sea level were to stop rising for a few years for no obvious reason. Then we'd know the oceans were no longer warming.
Is " unencumbered with family " a dog-whistle for gay ?
Conservatives 'to blame for stoking anti-Semitism row'
Mr Lansman said he did not think Labour had a "a particular problem with anti-Semitism, society has a problem".
crisis of perceptions..interesting way of putting Hug-A-Hitler's comments yesterday
So this is all the Tories and societies fault...brilliant.
I'm not impressed by personality politics but I'm afraid we have to fight fire with fire, Hannan (and I suspect others) are decent people. But billboards have to go up in WWC areas with Cameron and Osborne grinning next to an EU flag.
Meeks will give advice about what Leave should do, you have to do the opposite of what your enemy wants. Remain have taken the campaign into the gutter, Leave have to compete with every means available.
I would propose you for God Almighty except that Sean Thomas got there first.
Nevertheless: remember: everything you dislike about life is wholly my fault. I should be put to death
https://twitter.com/BreitbartLondon/status/725965495711596545
https://www.change.org/p/jeremy-corbyn-mp-disciplinary-procedure-for-john-mann-mp
Sounds a bit like stoking to me...
If Leave want to run this close they have to directly undermine the credibility of that. And there's plenty of material to choose from.
Lord Sugar on Livingstone's 'obsession" with Hitler
In the interview he says "Livingstone is a crony of Corbyn, Khan is a crony of Corbyn, they are peas from the same pod"...and he just goes on and on about how they will slip him back in etc etc etc.
Campaigning is quite high on my (political) tumescent index.
Decent posters electrifies campaigns.
That poster of Ed Miliband in Alex Salmond's pocket was the difference between the Tories being the largest party in a hung parliament and the Tories winning an outright majority in my view
"... going along with our Scotland as a garden theme the children discussed the role of Gardeners (all the adults in their lives) and the job of Head Gardener (the Named Person). Children identified that all adults – family members and professional people – have and share equally a duty to make sure all children are healthy, happy and safe. The overarching requirement of a Named Person (their Head Gardener) would be that this person’s key role is to keep children safe and to ensure good communication between people who are interested in the child."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/children-asked-to-think-of-named-person-as-head-gardener-1-4114148
Does the Head Gardener live with Big Brother?
Jesus Christ.
It is possible that a replacement of Osborne (entirely) with someone like Gove or Leadsom or Raab could change this, with Cameron remaining as PM and figurehead and tacking into the wind accordingly, but, personally, I think it's becoming harder every day.
They work best when they neatly sum up what people already think or suspect.
And Farage repeating the queue/line meme.
Read more closely - that's not a timescale for children forgetting about snow!
Why do you think Meeks hasn't written a thread header (and he's done plenty) suggesting what you and I touch on? Partly because he doesn't have a clue what labour voters in the north think, but more importantly because he knows it would work.
I know some Vote Leave people, all decent, conservative types, but I'm afraid they've got to stoop to Osborne's level if we're to win. View this through Meeks' eyes - he wants us to bang on about immigration, think why. Make it personal, stir up class war, it will be uncomfortable but we're not going to get another chance.
As of August 1, every child in Scotland from birth to 18 will have a 'named person' who is responsible for their 'well being'. That person can access the child's medical records and those of their family without permission from the family and share information with other agencies without permission from the parents.
From conception to school age, the named person will be a health visitor, from 5 to 18 it will be a head teacher or other senior teacher - except at weekends and during school holidays when it will be a council employee.
Children can be interviewed without the permission of their parents but any notes will not be made available to parents to protect the confidentiality of the child.
FFS
That said, most people seem less than impressed with Obama's condescension, and a few minutes at a speech won't make a huge difference.
Incidentally, and on an unrelated note [unless you believe leaving the EU will cause an apocalypse], the Survival mode for Fallout 4 comes to consoles next week. Hoping it lives up to expectations.
Every northern town should have a poster of Cameron and Osborne laughing above:
We want to stay in the EU - do you?
Not important for delegates (it's wholly proportional) but important for momentum.
The worst word is almost certainly 'pre-prepared'. A tautology that has the effect of making the speaker sound like they're terminally stupid.
What other kind of ****ing prepared is there? You can't prepare after something's happened. And the damned prefix is already there!
Very scary indeed. Given the (at best) patchy history of schools and social workers dealing with warning signs, this is going to lead to massive problems and families either being ripped apart by over-zealous 'named persons' or abuse being missed/ignored because people don't want to engage because of 'cultural sensitivities'
Children will suffer as a result of this
If Gove is going at this half heartedly he'll regret it, there won't be another chance. He'll be in danger of burning the bridge at both ends, Remain calling him a traitor, Leave a double agent.
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/28/how-the-establishment-is-trying-to-silence-corbyn-and-the-left-with-cries-of-anti-semitism/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Ladywood_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
You almost get used to it.
Good on him.
Nasty, nasty man, no wonder whenever the people have a chance to elect him as an MP, they reject him every time.
Two men and a woman from Birmingham have been charged with terror offences as part of a UK probe launched after the Paris and Brussels attacks.
Mohammed Ali Ahmed and Zakaria Boufassil are both charged with funding terrorism on or before 7 July 2015.
Mr Ahmed and Soumaya Boufassil are separately charged with preparation of acts of terrorism between January 2015 and this month.
The three, from Small Heath, are due before magistrates in London on Friday.
West Midlands Police said they were among five people arrested in Birmingham on 14 April and at Gatwick Airport the next day.
But, already, rather buried away in News, click England, click Regions, click West Midalnds, click Birmingham & Black Country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36165594
I think Leave will get 35-40% of the vote without doing much else. Farage can usefully motivate and drive up turnout amongst this base, if he gets out on the streets and doors.
To win over another 15-20% Vote Leave need to demonstrate a open, positive, global and internationalist Britain with a much brighter future out than in.
That's where Gove and Hannan come in.
It might not be enough to win, but it's the right campaign approach. My criticism of Vote Leave is confined to their slow footedness, and lack of discernible energy and visible initiative. And the fact they always seem to be defensive and on the back foot.
The NHS being the exception.
Farage gets to dog whistle the kippers and the WWC.
Gove et al get to disown them and talk nicely to the wavering Tories and leftie leavers.
Both target groups get picked up without messages getting crossed.
or
"Mrs Merkel now supports political union with Turkey, like David Cameron always has"
I mean really? really
This has to get nasty, ask Crosby about his attacks on Miliband.
Two "In" posters
One "GO" poster, which I'd assumed was Grassroots Out, but seems to actually be "David Cameron Must GO"
Nothing about the Mayoral election.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/725988092390285312
Unfortunately, I think Sadiq has espoused some seriously damaging policies, in particular on transport fares and on housing. On the latter, if he seriously is going to insist on 50% quotas for 'affordable' housing and on daft restrictions on sales, the only effect will be to reduce the supply of new housing of all sorts, affordable or otherwise. One can only hope that he is just spouting this nonsense for electoral reasons, and will actually be more sensible in office.
"David Cameron must GO ON being PM"
1) My polling card
2) The booklet giving details of all the candidates
It appears that no candidate is particularly interested in securing my first or second preference.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/ken-livingstone-sticks-to-his-guns-and-insists-ive-not-said-anything-wrong-a3236666.html