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R is for Remain, R is for Rat.SandyRentool said:Remain should just borrow and modify a previous campaign slogan:
L is for Leave. L is for Lice.0 -
If remain win, and if it is more than a 5-10% win, then eurosceptics will have to ask themselves what matters most: their euroscepticism or the continuation of a Conservative government. For the one thing Labour will want most is further chaos and infighting within the government.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Assuming Remain does win.TheScreamingEagles said:
After the referendum Dave's going to change his title from Prime Minister toSean_F said:
It's a bit reminiscent of the electoral process in a typical African republic.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government is morally obliged to spend over £9 million on one leaflet alone in order to get its message across, why is the opposition capped at spending £7 million?AlastairMeeks said:@Sean_F This is a referendum on a question of policy, not a general election. The government is entitled (indeed morally obliged) to have a view on the subject in its capacity as a government. It is entitled (and arguably morally obliged) to communicate that view on a question of policy to the public.
"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Doctor David Cameron, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Eurosceptics in Great Britain in General and the Tory Party in Particular"
Do you really think that there will never be another eurosceptic Tory in the party ever again?
I admire your optimism fellah.
Likewise, if leave win, and if it is more than a 5-10% win, then the remainers will have to accept that we are leaving the EU. Although the arguments about what the vote meant will just be starting, and give them an opportunity to somewhat shape things the way they want. After all, the leave groups may well be at each other's throats after a leave vote.
The really interesting situation will occur if there is 5-10% in the result either way. And that seems to be the way things are heading.
I've got my popcorn ready ...0 -
Conversely, in the event of Leave I shall take no pleasure in pointing out that I was right if the economy tanks badly. I hope I'm wrong on that.Richard_Tyndall said:I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.
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O/T
"UK ‘prime destination for money laundering criminals’"
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/uk-prime-destination-for-money-laundering-criminals-says-new-report-6hg08ksjl0 -
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Obviously the truly fair thing to have done is had a booklet where both sides got equal space to explain their side of the argument. It probably would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than each side then doing loads of different mail shots etc.Barnesian said:
According to today's YouGov poll of 4,000 people, 40% thought it was fair that the Government was sending out a leaflet supporting REMAIN, and 46% thought it was unfair.Indigo said:
They were noted.TheScreamingEagles said:Odd no one has been mentioning these quotes from the electoral commission.
But the Electoral Commission this afternoon backed the Government's decision to send out the leaflet, noting in a statement:
"The regulated spending period for the referendum comes into force on 15 April. The commission recommended after the referendum on Scottish independence that during the regulated period, the Government should conduct no taxpayer funded advertising activity.
"However, parliament decided not to put any legal restrictions on government activity until 28 days before the poll, which are the same rules that were in place for other recent referendums."
They say the government is following the rules.
Not exactly a shocker since the government wrote them.
How it is seen in the country might be a different matter entirely. When committed europhiles like OKC of this parish feel the propaganda brochure might be ill advised, there is a chance that you are not seeing the whole picture.
I suspect all the 40% were REMAINERS, though some of the 46% may also be REMAINERS with a sense of fair play.
https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results#/survey/198e9610-fca0-11e5-a405-0050569001270 -
I think it's unlikely that a British government would abolish agricultural subsidies entirely, but also unlikely that they would want to maintain subsidies at their current level.Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder how farmers will end up voting? Many of them absolutely detest the EU, and understandably so given the nightmare of the Rural Payments Agency plus all the regulatory stuff they have to put up with. But on the other hand there's no guarantee they'll get so much loot if we do leave the CAP; it would obviously depend on what view UK governments took in the future.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/05/brexit-will-leave-uk-farmers-up-to-34000-worse-off-study-finds0 -
The economy is going to tank anyway. We're overdue a recession. Markets remain way overpriced. Debt is still unsustainably high in far , far too many countries. If (as is still likely) we get a Remain and a recession will you say it was Remain that caused it?Richard_Nabavi said:
Conversely, in the event of Leave I shall take no pleasure in pointing out that I was right if the economy tanks badly. I hope I'm wrong on that.Richard_Tyndall said:I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.
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We are just praying Junker doesn't alter it further.....Sunil_Prasannan said:
Dave's "deal" is worse than that between Darth Vader and Lando Calrissian in "The Empire Strikes Back"!Richard_Tyndall said:
The more you try to fix the referendum the less likely that becomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like UK referendums?SimonStClare said:
Not surprised by this, once a treaty is ratified by all, a referendum after the event is worthless.AndyJS said:"Business as usual in Brussels despite Dutch ‘no’ to Ukraine
The Dutch ‘no’ vote in Wednesday’s referendum on the EU’s treaty with Ukraine will have no impact on the implementation of the agreement, a spokesman for the European Commission told broadcaster Nos. The treaty has already been signed and unanimously accepted by all EU leaders and the Dutch ‘no’ will not change that, the spokesman is quoted as saying."
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/04/business-as-usual-in-brussels-despite-dutch-no-to-ukraine/
I mean this is the second referendum on leaving our continental partners.
Oooh, I've got an idea for a thread.
Were Leave to lose, they must stop acting like the EU/Scot Nats, and respect the will of the people.
I for one will certainly not stop campaigning against the EU if Remain win. I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.0 -
And King of Scotland.TheScreamingEagles said:
After the referendum Dave's going to change his title from Prime Minister toSean_F said:
It's a bit reminiscent of the electoral process in a typical African republic.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government is morally obliged to spend over £9 million on one leaflet alone in order to get its message across, why is the opposition capped at spending £7 million?AlastairMeeks said:@Sean_F This is a referendum on a question of policy, not a general election. The government is entitled (indeed morally obliged) to have a view on the subject in its capacity as a government. It is entitled (and arguably morally obliged) to communicate that view on a question of policy to the public.
"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Doctor David Cameron, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Eurosceptics in Great Britain in General and the Tory Party in Particular"0 -
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's fine, that's democracy, and were UKIP to put in their manifesto for 2020, were they to win a majority they would take us out of the EU, sans referendum, I would be fine with that too.Richard_Tyndall said:
The more you try to fix the referendum the less likely that becomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like UK referendums?SimonStClare said:
Not surprised by this, once a treaty is ratified by all, a referendum after the event is worthless.AndyJS said:"Business as usual in Brussels despite Dutch ‘no’ to Ukraine
The Dutch ‘no’ vote in Wednesday’s referendum on the EU’s treaty with Ukraine will have no impact on the implementation of the agreement, a spokesman for the European Commission told broadcaster Nos. The treaty has already been signed and unanimously accepted by all EU leaders and the Dutch ‘no’ will not change that, the spokesman is quoted as saying."
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/04/business-as-usual-in-brussels-despite-dutch-no-to-ukraine/
I mean this is the second referendum on leaving our continental partners.
Oooh, I've got an idea for a thread.
Were Leave to lose, they must stop acting like the EU/Scot Nats, and respect the will of the people.
I for one will certainly not stop campaigning against the EU if Remain win. I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.0 -
What isn't clear is that before or after the money has been laundered? I mean, I know for a fact that places like Panama used to do a roaring trade in washing the drug cartels money. If it then ends up with HSBC Panama and then transferred to HSBC UK and property brought etc, technically what they say is true, but isn't necessarily because the UK is a soft touch etc, it is more to do with a stable economy and fantastic housing market (from investors point of view).AndyJS said:O/T
"UK ‘prime destination for money laundering criminals’"
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/uk-prime-destination-for-money-laundering-criminals-says-new-report-6hg08ksjl0 -
My prediction is Remain will win in 2016, but we will vote to Leave by 2025 as the EU becomes dominated by the Eurozone block and the de facto option is either Leave or Join the Eurozone.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
If the EU wasn't a moving target I would be inclined to agree with you.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, Euroscepticism will be alive and kicking in the Tory Party for years and decades to come, however the more sensible Eurosceptics like Michael Gove know if they hold another referendum on it, and lose, it really will settle UK membership of the EU for a generation.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Assuming Remain does win.TheScreamingEagles said:
After the referendum Dave's going to change his title from Prime Minister toSean_F said:
It's a bit reminiscent of the electoral process in a typical African republic.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government is morally obliged to spend over £9 million on one leaflet alone in order to get its message across, why is the opposition capped at spending £7 million?AlastairMeeks said:@Sean_F This is a referendum on a question of policy, not a general election. The government is entitled (indeed morally obliged) to have a view on the subject in its capacity as a government. It is entitled (and arguably morally obliged) to communicate that view on a question of policy to the public.
"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Doctor David Cameron, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Eurosceptics in Great Britain in General and the Tory Party in Particular"
Do you really think that there will never be another eurosceptic Tory in the party ever again?
I admire your optimism fellah.
Plus, Gove also knows, wanting to re-run the referendum so soon again will give succour to the SNP.
As the EU creaks ever forward, new opportunities will present themselves.0 -
An easy starter for ten, Mr Nabavi:Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder how farmers will end up voting? Many of them absolutely detest the EU, and understandably so given the nightmare of the Rural Payments Agency plus all the regulatory stuff they have to put up with. But on the other hand there's no guarantee they'll get so much loot if we do leave the CAP; it would obviously depend on what view UK governments took in the future.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/05/brexit-will-leave-uk-farmers-up-to-34000-worse-off-study-finds
They'll all vote remain and then claim to have voted leave.
"UKIP" posters up in fields for Euro Elections.
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King of the Northern Powerhouse. Osborne would be demoted to a mere Viceroy.Sean_F said:
And King of Scotland.TheScreamingEagles said:
After the referendum Dave's going to change his title from Prime Minister toSean_F said:
It's a bit reminiscent of the electoral process in a typical African republic.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government is morally obliged to spend over £9 million on one leaflet alone in order to get its message across, why is the opposition capped at spending £7 million?AlastairMeeks said:@Sean_F This is a referendum on a question of policy, not a general election. The government is entitled (indeed morally obliged) to have a view on the subject in its capacity as a government. It is entitled (and arguably morally obliged) to communicate that view on a question of policy to the public.
"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Doctor David Cameron, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Eurosceptics in Great Britain in General and the Tory Party in Particular"0 -
I think there is a clear distinction between attitudes of the big corporate farmers and those of the smaller family farmers. I don't believe that either under CAP or any system after Brexit we should be using Government money to support large agribusinesses. I think those businesses are aware of this and know that they have a better chance of retaining the grants if they stay in the EU. The smaller farmers I know are pretty much like the smaller businesses, far more affected by the one size fits all business regulation that comes out of Brussels and so more likely to be in favour of leaving as long as they get some assurance that there will be some form of Governmental support for them after Brexit akin to that provided by CAP.Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder how farmers will end up voting? Many of them absolutely detest the EU, and understandably so given the nightmare of the Rural Payments Agency plus all the regulatory stuff they have to put up with. But on the other hand there's no guarantee they'll get so much loot if we do leave the CAP; it would obviously depend on what view UK governments took in the future.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/05/brexit-will-leave-uk-farmers-up-to-34000-worse-off-study-finds0 -
It's called the Grab A Granny strategy, seriously.CD13 said:Interesting tactic. Ask the kids to convince the oldies to go with the Establishment.
Not sure that one's a winner.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/news/73003/remain-campaign-launch-grab-granny-strategy0 -
This is why I'm so cynical about Boris' stance on the issue.Indigo said:
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's fine, that's democracy, and were UKIP to put in their manifesto for 2020, were they to win a majority they would take us out of the EU, sans referendum, I would be fine with that too.Richard_Tyndall said:
The more you try to fix the referendum the less likely that becomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like UK referendums?SimonStClare said:
Not surprised by this, once a treaty is ratified by all, a referendum after the event is worthless.AndyJS said:"Business as usual in Brussels despite Dutch ‘no’ to Ukraine
The Dutch ‘no’ vote in Wednesday’s referendum on the EU’s treaty with Ukraine will have no impact on the implementation of the agreement, a spokesman for the European Commission told broadcaster Nos. The treaty has already been signed and unanimously accepted by all EU leaders and the Dutch ‘no’ will not change that, the spokesman is quoted as saying."
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/04/business-as-usual-in-brussels-despite-dutch-no-to-ukraine/
I mean this is the second referendum on leaving our continental partners.
Oooh, I've got an idea for a thread.
Were Leave to lose, they must stop acting like the EU/Scot Nats, and respect the will of the people.
I for one will certainly not stop campaigning against the EU if Remain win. I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.0 -
More likely the opposite! I mean if you are young, naïve and don't have the facts and you meet someone who does, has a lot of experience and a better education, who is likely to change their mind?CD13 said:Interesting tactic. Ask the kids to convince the oldies to go with the Establishment.
Not sure that one's a winner.
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Mr. Eagles, on that basis, are you intending to vote Leave or Remain?0
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you would probably get the same policies if you voted labour too.Indigo said:
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's fine, that's democracy, and were UKIP to put in their manifesto for 2020, were they to win a majority they would take us out of the EU, sans referendum, I would be fine with that too.Richard_Tyndall said:
The more you try to fix the referendum the less likely that becomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like UK referendums?SimonStClare said:
Not surprised by this, once a treaty is ratified by all, a referendum after the event is worthless.AndyJS said:"Business as usual in Brussels despite Dutch ‘no’ to Ukraine
The Dutch ‘no’ vote in Wednesday’s referendum on the EU’s treaty with Ukraine will have no impact on the implementation of the agreement, a spokesman for the European Commission told broadcaster Nos. The treaty has already been signed and unanimously accepted by all EU leaders and the Dutch ‘no’ will not change that, the spokesman is quoted as saying."
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/04/business-as-usual-in-brussels-despite-dutch-no-to-ukraine/
I mean this is the second referendum on leaving our continental partners.
Oooh, I've got an idea for a thread.
Were Leave to lose, they must stop acting like the EU/Scot Nats, and respect the will of the people.
I for one will certainly not stop campaigning against the EU if Remain win. I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.
And that's the problem with the west right now. You can vote who you want, what you end up with is a kind of insipid social democracy.
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No, obviously not, although there could be an effect through the rise in sterling which would follow a Remain result.Patrick said:The economy is going to tank anyway. We're overdue a recession. Markets remain way overpriced. Debt is still unsustainably high in far , far too many countries. If (as is still likely) we get a Remain and a recession will you say it was Remain that caused it?
If it's a Leave, then it should be reasonably clear whether any economic downturn is concentrated in the UK and Europe, rather than being a problem of the world as a whole.0 -
Bernie Sanders won 31% of the black vote in Wisconsin, which is his best showing yet.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernies-big-breakthrough-221659
He will need that kind of showing again in New York to have a ghost of a chance.0 -
You're probably right!Pulpstar said:
An easy starter for ten, Mr Nabavi:Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder how farmers will end up voting? Many of them absolutely detest the EU, and understandably so given the nightmare of the Rural Payments Agency plus all the regulatory stuff they have to put up with. But on the other hand there's no guarantee they'll get so much loot if we do leave the CAP; it would obviously depend on what view UK governments took in the future.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/05/brexit-will-leave-uk-farmers-up-to-34000-worse-off-study-finds
They'll all vote remain and then claim to have voted leave.
"UKIP" posters up in fields for Euro Elections.
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That is what I have been saying for a while. If the Remain camp proposed to remain in order to go all the way, join the Euro, the whole nine yards it would make sense, but tearing the Tory party apart to put off the evil hour for 5-10 years and in passing make the separation more traumatic seems idiotic.TheScreamingEagles said:
My prediction is Remain will win in 2016, but we will vote to Leave by 2025 as the EU becomes dominated by the Eurozone block and the de facto option is either Leave or Join the Eurozone.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
If the EU wasn't a moving target I would be inclined to agree with you.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, Euroscepticism will be alive and kicking in the Tory Party for years and decades to come, however the more sensible Eurosceptics like Michael Gove know if they hold another referendum on it, and lose, it really will settle UK membership of the EU for a generation.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Assuming Remain does win.TheScreamingEagles said:
After the referendum Dave's going to change his title from Prime Minister toSean_F said:
It's a bit reminiscent of the electoral process in a typical African republic.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government is morally obliged to spend over £9 million on one leaflet alone in order to get its message across, why is the opposition capped at spending £7 million?AlastairMeeks said:@Sean_F This is a referendum on a question of policy, not a general election. The government is entitled (indeed morally obliged) to have a view on the subject in its capacity as a government. It is entitled (and arguably morally obliged) to communicate that view on a question of policy to the public.
"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Doctor David Cameron, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Eurosceptics in Great Britain in General and the Tory Party in Particular"
Do you really think that there will never be another eurosceptic Tory in the party ever again?
I admire your optimism fellah.
Plus, Gove also knows, wanting to re-run the referendum so soon again will give succour to the SNP.
As the EU creaks ever forward, new opportunities will present themselves.0 -
America is being watched from above. Government surveillance planes routinely circle over most major cities — but usually take the weekends off.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/spies-in-the-skies0 -
Because that's what voters as a whole want, presumably.taffys said:And that's the problem with the west right now. You can vote who you want, what you end up with is a kind of insipid social democracy.
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F1: team principals tell Ecclestone and Todt to sod off [not literally]:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35987323
Nobody wants the new format or aggregate qualifying, except for two poison dwarves. Unfortunately, they're Ecclestone and the FIA President.
Let's hope the teams stick to their guns. A return to 2015 is what everyone, save two, wants.0 -
Classic !Richard_Nabavi said:
Conversely, in the event of Leave I shall take no pleasure in pointing out that I was right if the economy tanks badly. I hope I'm wrong on that.Richard_Tyndall said:I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.
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And if they don;t, we import some who will.Richard_Nabavi said:
Because that's what voters as a whole want, presumably.taffys said:And that's the problem with the west right now. You can vote who you want, what you end up with is a kind of insipid social democracy.
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He'd become Chief of the White Eunuchs.RobD said:
King of the Northern Powerhouse. Osborne would be demoted to a mere Viceroy.Sean_F said:
And King of Scotland.TheScreamingEagles said:
After the referendum Dave's going to change his title from Prime Minister toSean_F said:
It's a bit reminiscent of the electoral process in a typical African republic.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government is morally obliged to spend over £9 million on one leaflet alone in order to get its message across, why is the opposition capped at spending £7 million?AlastairMeeks said:@Sean_F This is a referendum on a question of policy, not a general election. The government is entitled (indeed morally obliged) to have a view on the subject in its capacity as a government. It is entitled (and arguably morally obliged) to communicate that view on a question of policy to the public.
"His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Doctor David Cameron, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Eurosceptics in Great Britain in General and the Tory Party in Particular"0 -
My head says Remain, my heart says Leave.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, on that basis, are you intending to vote Leave or Remain?
I don't think Leave have a coherent or practicable plan for what Brexit entails.0 -
Boris is the insurance. He's a remainer sitting in the leave camp to continue the Cameron legacy if Leave wins and damaged Dave and Osborne irreparably.RobD said:
This is why I'm so cynical about Boris' stance on the issue.Indigo said:
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's fine, that's democracy, and were UKIP to put in their manifesto for 2020, were they to win a majority they would take us out of the EU, sans referendum, I would be fine with that too.Richard_Tyndall said:
The more you try to fix the referendum the less likely that becomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like UK referendums?SimonStClare said:
Not surprised by this, once a treaty is ratified by all, a referendum after the event is worthless.AndyJS said:"Business as usual in Brussels despite Dutch ‘no’ to Ukraine
The Dutch ‘no’ vote in Wednesday’s referendum on the EU’s treaty with Ukraine will have no impact on the implementation of the agreement, a spokesman for the European Commission told broadcaster Nos. The treaty has already been signed and unanimously accepted by all EU leaders and the Dutch ‘no’ will not change that, the spokesman is quoted as saying."
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/04/business-as-usual-in-brussels-despite-dutch-no-to-ukraine/
I mean this is the second referendum on leaving our continental partners.
Oooh, I've got an idea for a thread.
Were Leave to lose, they must stop acting like the EU/Scot Nats, and respect the will of the people.
I for one will certainly not stop campaigning against the EU if Remain win. I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.0 -
A bit of a non-story:FrancisUrquhart said:America is being watched from above. Government surveillance planes routinely circle over most major cities — but usually take the weekends off.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/spies-in-the-skies
“The fact that they are mostly not flying on weekends suggests these are relatively run-of-the-mill investigations,” Nathan Freed Wessler, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union’s (ACLU) Project on Speech, Privacy, and Technology, told BuzzFeed News0 -
I do. Just follow my plan :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
My head says Remain, my heart says Leave.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, on that basis, are you intending to vote Leave or Remain?
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It just made me chuckle....we only do spying 9-5....not weekends or public holidays...RobD said:
A bit of a non-story:FrancisUrquhart said:America is being watched from above. Government surveillance planes routinely circle over most major cities — but usually take the weekends off.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/spies-in-the-skies
“The fact that they are mostly not flying on weekends suggests these are relatively run-of-the-mill investigations,” Nathan Freed Wessler, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union’s (ACLU) Project on Speech, Privacy, and Technology, told BuzzFeed News“That’s painful,” Wedick told BuzzFeed News. He suspects that the weekend dip reflects the controversial practice of using undercover agents and informants to entice suspects into joining fake terrorist plots devised by the FBI. “The FBI today is better able to control investigations, enabling agents to orchestrate events when more resources were available,” Wedick said.
So if somebody offers you a big coke deal or to join ISIS, if they say lets meet in the week be suspicious, if they say Sunday OK, you know you are ok ;-)
The data all came from Flightradar24, so I doubt proper super secret flights get logged on that.0 -
I thought your heart said "Dave"TheScreamingEagles said:
My head says Remain, my heart says Leave.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, on that basis, are you intending to vote Leave or Remain?
I don't think Leave have a coherent or practicable plan for what Brexit entails.
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I think more realistically it's because it's what most voters dislike the least. It something everyone can tolerate never mind how gritted their teeth, stronger views always have someone that dislikes them enough to oppose them. Its the political equivalent of serving a medium sweet rose at your party, its a bit crap, but everyone will drink it, no one will spit it out, but crucially, almost no one will enjoy it either.Richard_Nabavi said:
Because that's what voters as a whole want, presumably.taffys said:And that's the problem with the west right now. You can vote who you want, what you end up with is a kind of insipid social democracy.
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Mr. Eagles, you might make the same criticism of Remain.
If you think we're going to leave anyway, surely it's better to leave now rather than get entangled further and worsen the difficulty when we do leave?0 -
Well Dave and I have diverged on a past referendum.Pulpstar said:
I thought your heart said "Dave"TheScreamingEagles said:
My head says Remain, my heart says Leave.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, on that basis, are you intending to vote Leave or Remain?
I don't think Leave have a coherent or practicable plan for what Brexit entails.
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OK, fair point, but it doesn't alter the fact that there's a good democratic reason for 'insipid social democracy'.Indigo said:I think more realistically it's because it's what most voters dislike the least. It something everyone can tolerate never mind how gritted their teeth, stronger views always have someone that dislikes them enough to oppose them. Its the political equivalent of serving a medium sweet rose at your party, its a bit crap, but everyone will drink it, no one will spit it out, but crucially, almost no one will enjoy it either.
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If you read Private Eye it seems that the majority of farmers payment troubles are caused by our own government.Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder how farmers will end up voting? Many of them absolutely detest the EU, and understandably so given the nightmare of the Rural Payments Agency plus all the regulatory stuff they have to put up with. But on the other hand there's no guarantee they'll get so much loot if we do leave the CAP; it would obviously depend on what view UK governments took in the future.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/05/brexit-will-leave-uk-farmers-up-to-34000-worse-off-study-finds0 -
TSE, you could balance a spirit level on those two lines - and more than £3 million matched.0
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In your own undoubted passion, you are overestimating the passion others feel for the topic. I've been asking for a referendum for years, and now we've got one. I'm trying to take a sober look at the arguments and make my mind up - which is proving difficult considering both sides are acting like monkeys flinging sh*t.Indigo said:
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's fine, that's democracy, and were UKIP to put in their manifesto for 2020, were they to win a majority they would take us out of the EU, sans referendum, I would be fine with that too.Richard_Tyndall said:
The more you try to fix the referendum the less likely that becomes.TheScreamingEagles said:
A bit like UK referendums?SimonStClare said:
Not surprised by this, once a treaty is ratified by all, a referendum after the event is worthless.AndyJS said:"Business as usual in Brussels despite Dutch ‘no’ to Ukraine
The Dutch ‘no’ vote in Wednesday’s referendum on the EU’s treaty with Ukraine will have no impact on the implementation of the agreement, a spokesman for the European Commission told broadcaster Nos. The treaty has already been signed and unanimously accepted by all EU leaders and the Dutch ‘no’ will not change that, the spokesman is quoted as saying."
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2016/04/business-as-usual-in-brussels-despite-dutch-no-to-ukraine/
I mean this is the second referendum on leaving our continental partners.
Oooh, I've got an idea for a thread.
Were Leave to lose, they must stop acting like the EU/Scot Nats, and respect the will of the people.
I for one will certainly not stop campaigning against the EU if Remain win. I will take huge pleasure in pointing out every time they do something that Remain claimed would not or could not happen due to Dave's amazing negotiating skills.
I'm probably going to vote leave, and will be part of the 'half of the country' that voted that way. It's just that at the next election the issue of Europe will probably be low on the list of things that will alter my vote (*). Just as it was at the 2015 GE. And I doubt I'll be alone.
You are mixing up your own feelings with those of the majority.
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I think OGH should stop beating about the bush and tell us what he REALLY thinks about the EU Referendum!0
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I'm mildly amazed Mr. Eagles hasn't commented on the Rogue One trailer.
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Dave presumably though the numbers involved were significant enough to offer the referendum and lure enough Tory waverers away from the Kippers to win his majority. All I am saying is that giving his behaviour since, that was a one time gambit, none of those people is going to believe him, and possibly the Tory party on the subject of the EU for quite a while.JosiasJessop said:In your own undoubted passion, you are overestimating the passion others feel for the topic. I've been asking for a referendum for years, and now we've got one. I'm trying to take a sober look at the arguments and make my mind up - which is proving difficult considering both sides are acting like monkeys flinging sh*t.
I'm probably going to vote leave, and will be part of the 'half of the country' that voted that way. It's just that at the next election the issue of Europe will probably be low on the list of things that will alter my vote (*). Just as it was at the 2015 GE. And I doubt I'll be alone.
You are mixing up your own feelings with those of the majority.
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I finally met someone from Vote Leave this week, they did reassure me somewhat, and did alarm me about the state of the wider Leave campaign.Richard_Tyndall said:
I do. Just follow my plan :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
My head says Remain, my heart says Leave.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, on that basis, are you intending to vote Leave or Remain?
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I've been avoiding trailers and film websites for the past few days.Morris_Dancer said:I'm mildly amazed Mr. Eagles hasn't commented on the Rogue One trailer.
[Unless he did so when I was away, of course].
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My own hunch, the private polling of both sides is showing a similar picture of the outcome.AlastairMeeks said:TSE, you could balance a spirit level on those two lines - and more than £3 million matched.
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/07/san-bernardino-iphone-hack-work-newer-models-fbi-james-comey
This is getting a bit stupid now. We know where they got the device and there are copy cats if you do a cursory google search. Do you not think Apple don't already know of the likes of the Israeli company making these devices.
Talking of wacky Israeli companies...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ML9saG7yPw
Good day a work darling.....yeah we made the latest version of ISIS IED formula....certainly not the dullest of jobs.0 -
Mr. Eagles, the Confederates and Cavaliers both lose
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I don't understand some of that article. They talk about the results of an exit poll in New York and Pennsylvania, but they've not voted, so how can there be an exit poll?Danny565 said:Bernie Sanders won 31% of the black vote in Wisconsin, which is his best showing yet.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernies-big-breakthrough-221659
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Sky are reporting F1 to revert to 2015 qualifying for the Chinese Grand PrixMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, the Confederates and Cavaliers both lose
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Which is why we are seeing so little of Boris. He can see a loss on the horizon and doesn't want to be tarred with it, at the same time if there is a call for a leaver to be the next PM, he wants to be that leaver. He will wait and see which way the wind is blowing after the referendum and then either tell everyone that he was solid for leave, or that he was a remainer all along that got briefly tempted against this better judgement. Tricky call, and I think he has completely blown it, fine calculations like that only work when people can't see that your are making them.TheScreamingEagles said:
My own hunch, the private polling of both sides is showing a similar picture of the outcome.AlastairMeeks said:TSE, you could balance a spirit level on those two lines - and more than £3 million matched.
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There will be many people who were like me: the idea of a referendum was appealing, but just one of many issues that swayed our votes. If anything I'm thankful for Cameron giving me a chance to vote on this issue. I'm not bothered that he's chosen one side or the other: I can make up my own mind.Indigo said:Dave presumably though the numbers involved were significant enough to offer the referendum and lure enough Tory waverers away from the Kippers to win his majority. All I am saying is that giving his behaviour since, that was a one time gambit, none of those people is going to believe him, and possibly the Tory party on the subject of the EU for quite a while.
With 'none of these people', you are again projecting your opinions on others whose views will be far more mixed and nuanced than you make out.0 -
Who says American's don't have standards when it comes to appropriate dress conduct....Richie Fowler's trousers and shoes for the Masters...
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2016/4/7/37b812a3-dd87-47f6-9316-a30620b7a050.jpg
He appears to be modelling himself on some chav who buys all his best clobber in JD Sports. If you fancy a pair of those golf shoes, $200.0 -
Ah - So he's preparing for a spot of aftertiming. I think you've nailed it thereIndigo said:
Which is why we are seeing so little of Boris. He can see a loss on the horizon and doesn't want to be tarred with it, at the same time if there is a call for a leaver to be the next PM, he wants to be that leaver. He will wait and see which way the wind is blowing after the referendum and then either tell everyone that he was solid for leave, or that he was a remainer all along that got briefly tempted against this better judgement. Tricky call, and I think he has completely blown it, fine calculations like that only work when people can't see that your are making them.TheScreamingEagles said:
My own hunch, the private polling of both sides is showing a similar picture of the outcome.AlastairMeeks said:TSE, you could balance a spirit level on those two lines - and more than £3 million matched.
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You have to consider the state of the other parties though.Indigo said:
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.
Labour's civil war has gone quiet but will come back with a vengeance (probably at their conference)
The LDs are nowhere
UKIP look unlikely to breakthrough until Farage goes.0 -
The problem is not the "I can make up my own mind" sort of people - it is the "Nanny State knows best" ones.JosiasJessop said:
There will be many people who were like me: the idea of a referendum was appealing, but just one of many issues that swayed our votes. If anything I'm thankful for Cameron giving me a chance to vote on this issue. I'm not bothered that he's chosen one side or the other: I can make up my own mind.Indigo said:Dave presumably though the numbers involved were significant enough to offer the referendum and lure enough Tory waverers away from the Kippers to win his majority. All I am saying is that giving his behaviour since, that was a one time gambit, none of those people is going to believe him, and possibly the Tory party on the subject of the EU for quite a while.
With 'none of these people', you are again projecting your opinions on others whose views will be far more mixed and nuanced than you make out.
If you read Private Eye it seems that everyone's troubles are caused by our own Government.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
If you read Private Eye it seems that the majority of farmers payment troubles are caused by our own government.Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder how farmers will end up voting? Many of them absolutely detest the EU, and understandably so given the nightmare of the Rural Payments Agency plus all the regulatory stuff they have to put up with. But on the other hand there's no guarantee they'll get so much loot if we do leave the CAP; it would obviously depend on what view UK governments took in the future.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/05/brexit-will-leave-uk-farmers-up-to-34000-worse-off-study-finds0 -
Mr. Eagles, I've reports of that, and contrary reports.
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I'm not sure 'The Government' should or indeed does believe that remaining in the EU is in the best interests of the United Kingdom. The majority of it certainly does, but a minority back Leave. The civil service (which undoubtedly backs Remain to the hilt) is supposed to be neutral.0
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My view: the CIA already could hack the phone, and knew the contents. But they might not be able to use the information in court without revealing they could hack the phone. Therefore they wanted to publicise they needed 'help' to do it.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/07/san-bernardino-iphone-hack-work-newer-models-fbi-james-comey
This is getting a bit stupid now. We know where they got the device and there are copy cats if you do a cursory google search. Do you not think Apple don't already know of the likes of the Israeli company making these devices.
(Snip).
Apple's security is strong, and they're making attacks and exploits increasingly difficult. But the people wanting to get in will be more numerous, and have more desire to get in, than Apple have to keep them out.
T'was ever thus in computer security.0 -
I'm so dissapointed in his lack of personal ambition and raging ego combined with keen intelligence. I never had him down as God's gift to the UK, but I always thought there was killer instinct under that mop - it seems not.Indigo said:
Which is why we are seeing so little of Boris. He can see a loss on the horizon and doesn't want to be tarred with it, at the same time if there is a call for a leaver to be the next PM, he wants to be that leaver. He will wait and see which way the wind is blowing after the referendum and then either tell everyone that he was solid for leave, or that he was a remainer all along that got briefly tempted against this better judgement. Tricky call, and I think he has completely blown it, fine calculations like that only work when people can't see that your are making them.TheScreamingEagles said:
My own hunch, the private polling of both sides is showing a similar picture of the outcome.AlastairMeeks said:TSE, you could balance a spirit level on those two lines - and more than £3 million matched.
The man runs London. Ok it's not the trump card of running the UK, but it's pretty damn close. He could have genuinely swung it. Lack of testicular fortitude.0 -
That simply isn't the case any more. The civil service backs the government.Luckyguy1983 said:The civil service (which undoubtedly backs Remain to the hilt) is supposed to be neutral.
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Oh I agree, I just see lots of Tory voters in the spectrum from disillusioned through to seriously pissed off deciding to stay on the sofa. Less people voted for Blair than voted for Major, Tory governments fall because Tory voters stay a home.GarethoftheVale2 said:
You have to consider the state of the other parties though.Indigo said:
If there Tories don't elect a strong leaver with some credibility, and possibly even then, those voters that were wavering with the kippers last time around and came back because they trusted Dave on the referendum are GONE. The Tory party has next to no credibility with the half the country that want to leave, I wonder how it plans to get it back in time for 2020. Ten years ago I was a party member, now I might as well vote Lib Dem, I would get the same policies, and at least they are honest about it.
Labour's civil war has gone quiet but will come back with a vengeance (probably at their conference)
The LDs are nowhere
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Of course they could....we know NSA have hacked far harder things than an out of date iPhone e.g. OpenVPN. Help of highly skilled Israeli friends have also been longed used e.g Stuxnet.JosiasJessop said:
My view: the CIA already could hack the phone, and knew the contents. But they might not be able to use the information in court without revealing they could hack the phone. Therefore they wanted to publicise they needed 'help' to do it.FrancisUrquhart said:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/07/san-bernardino-iphone-hack-work-newer-models-fbi-james-comey
This is getting a bit stupid now. We know where they got the device and there are copy cats if you do a cursory google search. Do you not think Apple don't already know of the likes of the Israeli company making these devices.
(Snip).
Apple's security is strong, and they're making attacks and exploits increasingly difficult. But the people wanting to get in will be more numerous, and have more desire to get in, than Apple have to keep them out.
T'was ever thus in computer security.0 -
Here is Bernie's big upcoming problem that will have the Young Turks crying into their cornflakes "racially diverse states that don’t allow independents to vote in primaries."NickPalmer said:
I don't understand some of that article. They talk about the results of an exit poll in New York and Pennsylvania, but they've not voted, so how can there be an exit poll?Danny565 said:Bernie Sanders won 31% of the black vote in Wisconsin, which is his best showing yet.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernies-big-breakthrough-221659
He will need that kind of showing again in New York to have a ghost of a chance.
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BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.0 -
Jezza back to Top Gear? ;-)Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.0 -
What's to stop the civil service doing this before a general election?Pulpstar said:
That simply isn't the case any more. The civil service backs the government.Luckyguy1983 said:The civil service (which undoubtedly backs Remain to the hilt) is supposed to be neutral.
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I'm afraid the notion of impartial public servants went out of the window along time ago, being finally buried under New Labour, when we even had chief police officers driving around with Vote Labour stickers in their car windows.
On the topic of the EU there is no danger whatever of impartiality - as was recently noted much of the public sector is now just an implementation body for the EU. They will just do as their bosses say.0 -
Probably the Meningitis B one. which to be honest was much more important than this one.FrancisUrquhart said:
Jezza back to Top Gear? ;-)Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-356148460 -
It's increasing by about 1,000 every 5 minutes.Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.0 -
Article on what next for UKIP.
http://www.politico.eu/article/euroskeptic-movement-plan-what-comes-after-ukip-brexit/0 -
Polly is calling on the government to scrap IHT....wonders will never cease!!!0
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122 sitting on Mr Cameron's naughty step.AndyJS said:
It's increasing by about 1,000 every 5 minutes.Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.0 -
:OFrancisUrquhart said:Polly is calling on the government to scrap IHT....wonders will never cease!!!
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Blimey. It was about 10k per hour earlier. Thought it would slow down.AndyJS said:
It's increasing by about 1,000 every 5 minutes.Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.0 -
Quite so. Social democracy is finished.dr_spyn said:Article on what next for UKIP.
http://www.politico.eu/article/euroskeptic-movement-plan-what-comes-after-ukip-brexit/
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Slight improvement from 166 to 200 signatures a minute thenPlato_Says said:Blimey. It was about 10k per hour earlier.
AndyJS said:
It's increasing by about 1,000 every 5 minutes.Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.
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STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets
5,844 signatures in the last hour.
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Why? - or is pending mortality and a multimillion property portfolio reason enough.FrancisUrquhart said:Polly is calling on the government to scrap IHT....wonders will never cease!!!
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68k with map - 208 in my constituency so far
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SimonStClare said:
Why? - or is pending mortality and a multimillion property portfolio reason enough.FrancisUrquhart said:Polly is calling on the government to scrap IHT....wonders will never cease!!!
Anyone left of centre holds inheritance tax as a sacred totem of social justice. After all, fewer young people can ever own homes without parents to pony up a deposit. Social mobility is falling: in 1991 17% of top earners came from low-earning families, but that fell to 13% by 2000, with 42% from the richest families. Is there revolution in the air? Alas not.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/commentisfree/2016/apr/07/inheritance-tax-cameron-offshore-trusts-eu
Deep in the psyche of this feudal-minded nation, with its monarchy, peerage and crown-protected tax havens, inheritance tax is detested by those who will never pay it. So misled have people been by the barrage of bogus stories about the taxman coming after their hard-earned savings that almost every home-owner wrongly fears small bequests will be snatched from their children. Labour voters are almost as opposed as Tory voters.
Take a deep breath – now is the time for Labour to declare it will abolish inheritance tax altogether. The argument is lost, the public’s ears are blocked.
Or possibly as you say, she has a few quid she needs to pass on...and would save some legal fees.
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Haven't they already spent it though? Or were they just saying this was what was going to happen?dr_spyn said:STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets
5,844 signatures in the last hour.
https://petition.parliament.uk/0 -
Bit too late for that.dr_spyn said:STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets
5,844 signatures in the last hour.
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That petition - when will it reach 100,000? How many signatures will it ultimately get?0
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I presume it's spent, this is a massive thumbs down of disapproval.Moses_ said:
Haven't they already spent it though? Or were they just saying this was what was going to happen?dr_spyn said:STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets
5,844 signatures in the last hour.
https://petition.parliament.uk/0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/news/commentisfree/2016/apr/07/inheritance-tax-cameron-offshore-trusts-euFrancisUrquhart said:SimonStClare said:
Why? - or is pending mortality and a multimillion property portfolio reason enough.FrancisUrquhart said:Polly is calling on the government to scrap IHT....wonders will never cease!!!
Anyone left of centre holds inheritance tax as a sacred totem of social justice. After all, fewer young people can ever own homes without parents to pony up a deposit. Social mobility is falling: in 1991 17% of top earners came from low-earning families, but that fell to 13% by 2000, with 42% from the richest families. Is there revolution in the air? Alas not.
Deep in the psyche of this feudal-minded nation, with its monarchy, peerage and crown-protected tax havens, inheritance tax is detested by those who will never pay it. So misled have people been by the barrage of bogus stories about the taxman coming after their hard-earned savings that almost every home-owner wrongly fears small bequests will be snatched from their children. Labour voters are almost as opposed as Tory voters.
Take a deep breath – now is the time for Labour to declare it will abolish inheritance tax altogether. The argument is lost, the public’s ears are blocked.
Or possibly as you say, she has a few quid she needs to pass on...and would say some legal fees.
The birthday present tax rides again.0 -
It was referring to NY and Pennsylvania exit polls from 2008.NickPalmer said:
I don't understand some of that article. They talk about the results of an exit poll in New York and Pennsylvania, but they've not voted, so how can there be an exit poll?Danny565 said:Bernie Sanders won 31% of the black vote in Wisconsin, which is his best showing yet.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernies-big-breakthrough-221659
He will need that kind of showing again in New York to have a ghost of a chance.In New York, for example, 87 percent of 2008 primary voters identified as Democrats in the exit poll — significantly more than the 71 percent in Wisconsin’s open primary on Tuesday. In Pennsylvania, Democrats made up 82 percent of the 2008 closed primary electorate.
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Are you sure? The website says 5,940 signed in the last hour (which is about 1,000 every 10 minutes).AndyJS said:
It's increasing by about 1,000 every 5 minutes.Philip_Thompson said:BBC is mentioning the petition in their article. Could it reach 100k today?
What's the record for fastest to 100k? This could come close.
Expect it to slow down now that the work day is over. Probably won't reach 100k today then.0 -
Ah, thanks. Read it too quickly.Danny565 said:
It was referring to NY and Pennsylvania exit polls from 2008.NickPalmer said:
I don't understand some of that article. They talk about the results of an exit poll in New York and Pennsylvania, but they've not voted, so how can there be an exit poll?Danny565 said:Bernie Sanders won 31% of the black vote in Wisconsin, which is his best showing yet.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernies-big-breakthrough-221659
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Still ploughing through the earlier comments so this may have been answered ...Pulpstar said:The motion, which has been approved for a debate and vote by the Manchester Students' Union, reads:
“David Cameron and his right-wing Tory government were elected by a minority of the electorate."
“Zero students voted Tory. Therefore, we must make a stand against this undemocratic regime by banning David Cameron and his Tory government from our democratic Students’ Union and our university campus."
“In addition, David Cameron has continually violated the safe-space policy by implementing changes to junior doctors’ NHS contracts."
“We must fight back against the Tory steamroller which is destroying the NHS and destroying the United Kingdom and also Europe."
“Also David Cameron has said we should vote to stay in the EU, but he is a Tory and therefore he must have lied."
Will someone be opposing the motion, or is that not allowed under "safe space" policies ?
But can anyone tell me why junior doctors contracts have anything to do with "safe spaces", please?
And what did these university undergrads do with their brains after they qualified to get there? Leave them at school?0 -
Vote Leave has today published its analysis of the false and misleading claims made in the Government’s recently announced £9 million propaganda campaign. The full analysis is contained below.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/government_bailing_out_remain_campaign_with_false_and_misleading_propaganda?utm_content=buffer5c8f7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#VoteLeave
Commenting, Vote Leave Chair Gisela Stuart MP said:
"This is not the facts, it is a misleading government propaganda campaign paid for by hard-working taxpayers who would rather see their money spent on their priorities. The public want an honest debate conducted by two competing sides, not an attempt by the Prime Minister to buy the referendum result with the public’s money. We already hand Brussels £350 million a week without having to pay more just to bail out David Cameron’s failed renegotiation and the floundering remain campaign."
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Well they should pulp them. If they say "Well they've been printed so they might as well go out" then they should look up logical fallacies.Moses_ said:
Haven't they already spent it though? Or were they just saying this was what was going to happen?dr_spyn said:STOP CAMERON spending British taxpayers’ money on Pro-EU Referendum leaflets
5,844 signatures in the last hour.
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Wasn't Tyson pouring vitriol over right wingers yesterday for daring to legally reduce their tax bills? Something about the mental state of right wingers to "me me me " and its in their genes as well as being wicked and evil for bar b cueing first born etc etc. Meanwhile he was the model of upstanding probity for paying as much as he could to the government as he couldn't be arsed to do anything else?SimonStClare said:
Why? - or is pending mortality and a multimillion property portfolio reason enough.FrancisUrquhart said:Polly is calling on the government to scrap IHT....wonders will never cease!!!
Well here we have that known right winger Pollytwaddle wanting to errr ......reduce her tax bill.
Who'd have thunk it?0
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