It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April.
Sir Steve Smith, Exeter’s Vice-Chancellor, sent out personal invitations to a selected number of students and academics to represent the university. The invitation read: “I am writing to invite you to a special Q&A session with a senior Cabinet Minister. This will be an opportunity to ask questions on the important subject of Britain’s EU membership and what it means for young people.”
It was revealed earlier today that this senior Cabinet Minister is going to be none other than Prime Minister David Cameron. There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been.
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
I tend to agree with Cycle Free there has been very little in this race about what the candidates will actually do. But he is perhaps understating the simple truth that backstories do resonate with electorates.
What did the Labour Party ever do for the son of an immigrant bus driver? They made him London mayor*
*presumptuous in the extreme but you get the picture
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
You'll never get a fair fight with Cameron. He's the type of upper class arrogance writ large. If he was armed and you were not, and if he thought you an enemy, he would cut you down without a second glance.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
It's sad that a Conservative PM feels more at home with a bunch of radical lefty students than his own members at the Conservative Union.
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
Vote Leave are continuing to impress me with their organisation.
I've just received an email from Jack Holland, the ground campaign organiser for the North West asking me to put a poster in my garden.
I live in South East England. And I don't have a garden.
I got that too. In fairness, I have now been contacted by their local organiser. I've delivered 1,300 leaflets so far. I think that GO are more active in the area, though.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
It's sad that a Conservative PM feels more at home with a bunch of radical lefty students than his own members at the Conservative Union.
What's it got to do with 'feeling at home'? Are you suggesting he should only talk to Conservatives?
It's awfully good of the Leave campaign to give so much pre-publicity to the government's mailshot on the EU referendum. It will mean that it is much more likely to be read than it otherwise would have been.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
Except you've just pointed out that the Conservative Society was not specifically invited. So really nothing like Brown/Milliband.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
It's sad that a Conservative PM feels more at home with a bunch of radical lefty students than his own members at the Conservative Union.
What's it got to do with 'feeling at home'? Are you suggesting he should only talk to Conservatives?
He obviously doesn't feel comfortable trotting out his propaganda to his own side, apart from perhaps a few 'selected' individuals.
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
It's awfully good of the Leave campaign to give so much pre-publicity to the government's mailshot on the EU referendum. It will mean that it is much more likely to be read than it otherwise would have been.
Yes, that thought occurred to me.
I cannot understand why the Leave campaigns spend so much time talking to each other about how unfair life is. Don't they realise there's a referendum coming up?
I tend to agree with Cycle Free there has been very little in this race about what the candidates will actually do. But he is perhaps understating the simple truth that backstories do resonate with electorates.
What did the Labour Party ever do for the son of an immigrant bus driver? They made him London mayor*
*presumptuous in the extreme but you get the picture
The example should be Mo Farah: he was asked by some journalist some impertinent question about his background and he replied something like: "Nah, I'm British mate. Just like you." Sure - he had a backstory that resonated. But - now - he was and saw himself as British and what people responded to was what he had achieved.
If we're really going to integrate immigrants we need to think of them as British and call them as such, especially their children and grandchildren and stop calling them Pakistani or whatever. It is precisely this endless harking on about the country of origin or, usually the country of origin of the parents or grandparents or great-grandparents, which is keeping people from integrating and which is perpetuating the sense of separation and separate cultures and all the rest of it. And this separation provides the space for some really unpleasant practices to continue and, frankly, also provides the space for extremist attitudes to flourish.
Khan is British. He was born here and became a solicitor, like plenty of others, and an MP, like plenty of others. He's the Labour candidate. Now stop talking about yourself and tell me what you are going to do for me and mine as Mayor.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
It's sad that a Conservative PM feels more at home with a bunch of radical lefty students than his own members at the Conservative Union.
What's it got to do with 'feeling at home'? Are you suggesting he should only talk to Conservatives?
Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April. ... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been. http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/
Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.
It's sad that a Conservative PM feels more at home with a bunch of radical lefty students than his own members at the Conservative Union.
What's it got to do with 'feeling at home'? Are you suggesting he should only talk to Conservatives?
I didn't say that. If I were the conservative union president at Exeter and not got an invitation to the PM's I wouldn't be pleased about it.
I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
Thanks, have added mine. Now over 50,000.
With mine; 50,138
That number is going up quickly. With mine, it stood at 51, 222.
Anecdote alert: My husband came home from work saying how everyone was "up in arms" about the Government spending money on the Remain letter. He says that just about everyone there is talking about voting "Leave", even though most expect will probably cause chaos for them at work in the short-term (he works in a software house which targets the Funds industry).
Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.
The two are far from being mutually exclusive, but I think the key point is that students and young people in general are a potential source of Remain votes - if they can be bothered!
"WHERE IS Alan Johnson and Lord Rose? I thought they were supposed to be the front-men for the Leave campaign, they are practically invisible? Is this deliberate - she asks naively?"
What nonsense in the above: Alan Johnson and Lord Rose are indeed front men, but for REMAIN.
No - they are members of the "vote leave 20 committee" with the aim of destabilising the REMAIN campaign and help the LEAVE one.
You have to laugh at all these Leavers rushing to sign the E petition on the Govt leaflet after all their previous diatribe against these Leftie E petitions in the past .
It's awfully good of the Leave campaign to give so much pre-publicity to the government's mailshot on the EU referendum. It will mean that it is much more likely to be read than it otherwise would have been.
Yes, that thought occurred to me.
I cannot understand why the Leave campaigns spend so much time talking to each other about how unfair life is. Don't they realise there's a referendum coming up?
Ethically, it's no different to the government using £9m to produce material on behalf of the Conservative Party at the last election. I think Labour and the Lib Dems would be entitled to be annoyed.
Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.
The two are far from being mutually exclusive, but I think the key point is that students and young people in general are a potential source of Remain votes - if they can be bothered!
If anything upper middle class students are the most likely to be on the far far left than other students!
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
Interestingly, the map of the petitioners matches what other sources have suggested ie Euroscepticism is strongest in Lincolnshire and the West Country, Scotland notably less Eurosceptic, Ulster division mirrors sectarian lines.
Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.
The two are far from being mutually exclusive, but I think the key point is that students and young people in general are a potential source of Remain votes - if they can be bothered!
If anything upper middle class students are the most likely to be on the far far left than other students!
Ethically, it's no different to the government using £9m to produce material on behalf of the Conservative Party at the last election. I think Labour and the Lib Dems would be entitled to be annoyed.
Whether you take that view or not, my point is that it's counter-productive for the Leave side to moan about it. It's like politicians moaning about unfair media coverage.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
It's awfully good of the Leave campaign to give so much pre-publicity to the government's mailshot on the EU referendum. It will mean that it is much more likely to be read than it otherwise would have been.
Yes, that thought occurred to me.
I cannot understand why the Leave campaigns spend so much time talking to each other about how unfair life is. Don't they realise there's a referendum coming up?
Ethically, it's no different to the government using £9m to produce material on behalf of the Conservative Party at the last election. I think Labour and the Lib Dems would be entitled to be annoyed.
Leave are being naïve. The government's position is that we should remain in the EU. Of course they're going to spend money promoting that point of view.
It might have been more sensible of the Leave campaigns to raise money to send out their own leaflets rather than spitting at each other and inviting goons like Galloway along to speak at their meetings.
You have to laugh at all these Leavers rushing to sign the E petition on the Govt leaflet after all their previous diatribe against these Leftie E petitions in the past .
It is perfectly fair, and sweet, to use an opponent's weapons against them.
Ethically, it's no different to the government using £9m to produce material on behalf of the Conservative Party at the last election. I think Labour and the Lib Dems would be entitled to be annoyed.
Whether you take that view or not, my point is that it's counter-productive for the Leave side to moan about it. It's like politicians moaning about unfair media coverage.
Hmm yes yes but you say that about everything the LEAVE side does. I'm sure your concerns for their welfare have been duly noted.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by reamin. At the end of the day the remain side are just paid lackeys of the EU.
Corrected it for you.
Verb Sap. Harping on about 'racism' might get you some plaudits at the Guardian - but not here. It just shows how narrow minded your brain has become.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by reamin. At the end of the day the remain side are just paid lackeys of the EU.
Corrected it for you.
Verb Sap. Harping on about 'racism' might get you some plaudits at the Guardian - but not here. It just shows how narrow minded your brain has become.
He ought to draft a "safe spaces" policy for a student union.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by reamin. At the end of the day the remain side are just paid lackeys of the EU.
Corrected it for you.
Verb Sap. Harping on about 'racism' might get you some plaudits at the Guardian - but not here. It just shows how narrow minded your brain has become.
He ought to draft a "safe spaces" policy for a student union.
Looks like the PM has already created a 'safe space' for himself at Exeter Uni.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Am I the only one who thinks the government leaflet might be LESS effective because of the way it's so blatantly in favour of staying in the EU (right down to the front cover of "why the government thinks we should remain")?
If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".
Am I the only one who thinks the government leaflet might be LESS effective because of the way it's so blatantly in favour of staying in the EU (right down to the front cover of "why the government thinks we should remain")?
If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".
It's a sign of desperation I think - the fact that they have apparently included some of the most fatuous and laughable claims doing the rounds in recent weeks speaks volumes.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Fair enough, you are correct.. Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.
I think they contribute something and the cost of the free mailshots
Am I the only one who thinks the government leaflet might be LESS effective because of the way it's so blatantly in favour of staying in the EU (right down to the front cover of "why the government thinks we should remain")?
If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".
It's a sign of desperation I think - the fact that they have apparently included some of the most fatuous and laughable claims doing the rounds in recent weeks speaks volumes.
There has been a response to the petition (as required by the rules when reaching 50K).
"The EU Referendum Act 2015 commits the Government to provide information to the public on EU membership ahead of the vote, and that is what we will do."
Maybe we should teach the FCO the difference between information and propaganda. I think they have just dug the hole a bit deeper.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.
The campaign selected to head the Leave side will receive ~£7.4 million of tax payers money to spend as they wish, IMRC.
I tend to agree with Cycle Free there has been very little in this race about what the candidates will actually do. But he is perhaps understating the simple truth that backstories do resonate with electorates.
What did the Labour Party ever do for the son of an immigrant bus driver? They made him London mayor*
*presumptuous in the extreme but you get the picture
The example should be Mo Farah: he was asked by some journalist some impertinent question about his background and he replied something like: "Nah, I'm British mate. Just like you." Sure - he had a backstory that resonated. But - now - he was and saw himself as British and what people responded to was what he had achieved.
If we're really going to integrate immigrants we need to think of them as British and call them as such, especially their children and grandchildren and stop calling them Pakistani or whatever. It is precisely this endless harking on about the country of origin or, usually the country of origin of the parents or grandparents or great-grandparents, which is keeping people from integrating and which is perpetuating the sense of separation and separate cultures and all the rest of it. And this separation provides the space for some really unpleasant practices to continue and, frankly, also provides the space for extremist attitudes to flourish.
Khan is British. He was born here and became a solicitor, like plenty of others, and an MP, like plenty of others. He's the Labour candidate. Now stop talking about yourself and tell me what you are going to do for me and mine as Mayor.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
Xenophobia means literally fear of the strange or fear of the foreign. I suppose not wanting to be governed by foreigners is a sort of fear - fear that they might not have the UK's best interests at heart. A distressingly high proportion of Muslims have views about liberal western culture and what they want to do to it that scares me too. Hey - sign me up - I'm a xenophobe. A selective xenophobe. That's not a bad thing by the way. The alternative is an undiscriminating xenophile. They love Nazis and communists and ISIS and Aztec heart rippers and, well, everyone! Monsters.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Fair enough, you are correct.. Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.
I said the other day Cameron is a vicious bastard when it comes to winning elections and plebiscites.
TBH, I'd be tempted from a PR perspective to compare the anti-democratic behavior of Remain to the EU. There's enough prime examples of loading the dice to make a useful comparison.
For certain people, this sort of message will make sense where perhaps the EU thingy won't as they've never paid much attention. Classic underdog play.
Am I the only one who thinks the government leaflet might be LESS effective because of the way it's so blatantly in favour of staying in the EU (right down to the front cover of "why the government thinks we should remain")?
If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.
The campaign selected to head the Leave side will receive ~£7.4 million of tax payers money to spend as they wish, IMRC.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Fair enough, you are correct.. Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.
I said the other day Cameron is a vicious bastard when it comes to winning elections and plebiscites.
I'm shocked that anyone is shocked by this fact.
More disappointed in him than shocked, to be honest. I used to like him and voted for him in 2010. These days, I can't stand the man.
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.
Each organisation is only given £700k of tax payer money. They can then spend up to £7m each - but they have to raise the rest from £700k to £7m.
Yes the Govt £9m to £10m for REMAIN leaflet and internet advertising is outside this. They claim it is all before the ten week window. That may prove problematical. The leaflets for the "nations" are being delayed to go out during the ten week window (in May). It would be justly deserved if some of the £9m to £10m was judged by the commission as spending in the 10 weeks and therefore reduces REMAIN's £7m.....
Mr. Eagles, vicious bastard is someone like Francis Urquhart (House of Cards chap, not the PBer).
Cameron's coming across as a slippery weasel. A dodgy geezer. A Blair.
A vicious bastard is someone who authorises his Defence Secretary to say
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the United Kingdom in the back to become prime minister."
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
A European country considering leaving the European Union is "racist". Yep, makes a lot of sense.
On the leaflet, the government needs to protect itself against the potential charge that 'Nobody warned us that the economy would tank if we voted Leave'.
Nice round number, I'm signature number 55,500 on the petition.
I'd have far less objection to the government printing this partisan leaflet and sending it out if both sides had uncapped amounts to spend during the referendum (like in the USA).
But to have the government spend more in one go on propaganda than the other side's official campaign is allowed to spend altogether in the entire campaign takes the piss.
On the leaflet, the government needs to protect itself against the potential charge that 'Nobody warned us that the economy would tank if we voted Leave'.
And the "No one warned us about the massive increase in EU legislation that will be applied should we vote remain."
There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.
At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.
Actually they will do.
Fair enough, you are correct.. Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.
I said the other day Cameron is a vicious bastard when it comes to winning elections and plebiscites.
I'm shocked that anyone is shocked by this fact.
More disappointed in him than shocked, to be honest. I used to like him and voted for him in 2010. These days, I can't stand the man.
Same here - I remember when I posted c.2009, on PB(!), that I would do Dave in a heartbeat
Mr. Pubgoer, Iraq makes that unlikely, but I agree he's at risk of enjoying temporary success and purchasing a legacy of loathing.
Mr. Eagles, you can call Cameron Caesar if you like. He's got the ego, and he may end up meeting a similarly sharp decline to his leadership. All he's lacking are the ability and the achievements.
On the leaflet, the government needs to protect itself against the potential charge that 'Nobody warned us that the economy would tank if we voted Leave'.
Govt have not warned us that the economy would tank if we voted REMAIN.
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https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762
It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.
Zac and Sad they
make me mad,
and that's so sad.
Like two wallies
on assorted trollies,
it's really sad
that they make me mad.
A fair fight is all those like me are after.
They should also re-consider betting on Boris.
http://www.conservativehome.com/to-the-point/2016/04/how-george-and-boris-have-gone-down-in-party-members-estimations.html
What did the Labour Party ever do for the son of an immigrant bus driver? They made him London mayor*
*presumptuous in the extreme but you get the picture
The Green Party and their voters couldn't care less about the environment. They're neo-communists.
I cannot understand why the Leave campaigns spend so much time talking to each other about how unfair life is. Don't they realise there's a referendum coming up?
If we're really going to integrate immigrants we need to think of them as British and call them as such, especially their children and grandchildren and stop calling them Pakistani or whatever. It is precisely this endless harking on about the country of origin or, usually the country of origin of the parents or grandparents or great-grandparents, which is keeping people from integrating and which is perpetuating the sense of separation and separate cultures and all the rest of it. And this separation provides the space for some really unpleasant practices to continue and, frankly, also provides the space for extremist attitudes to flourish.
Khan is British. He was born here and became a solicitor, like plenty of others, and an MP, like plenty of others. He's the Labour candidate. Now stop talking about yourself and tell me what you are going to do for me and mine as Mayor.
Anecdote alert: My husband came home from work saying how everyone was "up in arms" about the Government spending money on the Remain letter. He says that just about everyone there is talking about voting "Leave", even though most expect will probably cause chaos for them at work in the short-term (he works in a software house which targets the Funds industry).
So far they are doing pretty well.
For example:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35787456
It might have been more sensible of the Leave campaigns to raise money to send out their own leaflets rather than spitting at each other and inviting goons like Galloway along to speak at their meetings.
Corrected it for you.
Verb Sap. Harping on about 'racism' might get you some plaudits at the Guardian - but not here. It just shows how narrow minded your brain has become.
Fine. Let them spend their own money, not mine. Let them have a whip round. Given their support base, its not like they can't afford it.
Trump 41 .. Kasich 31 .. Cruz 22
Clinton 55 .. Sanders 40
Clinton 63 .. Trump 28
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-university-of-maryland-poll-march-30-april-3-2016/2008/
If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".
Will it be announced on the BBC - Like the motion to ban Trump?
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2016/04/will-bristol-re-elect-marmite-mayor
2:44pm - 7 Apr 16
Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.
53,494 and counting...
"The EU Referendum Act 2015 commits the Government to provide information to the public on EU membership ahead of the vote, and that is what we will do."
Maybe we should teach the FCO the difference between information and propaganda. I think they have just dug the hole a bit deeper.
Trump 41 .. Kasich 31 .. Cruz 22
Clinton 59 .. Trump 31
Clinton 55 .. Cruz 32
http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2530.pdf
My apologies CycleFree!!
Thank you, Simon, for correcting me.
I'm shocked that anyone is shocked by this fact.
For certain people, this sort of message will make sense where perhaps the EU thingy won't as they've never paid much attention. Classic underdog play.
Welcome to pb.com, Mr. Crack.
Cameron's coming across as a slippery weasel. A dodgy geezer. A Blair.
Yes the Govt £9m to £10m for REMAIN leaflet and internet advertising is outside this. They claim it is all before the ten week window. That may prove problematical. The leaflets for the "nations" are being delayed to go out during the ten week window (in May).
It would be justly deserved if some of the £9m to £10m was judged by the commission as spending in the 10 weeks and therefore reduces REMAIN's £7m.....
"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the United Kingdom in the back to become prime minister."
And liable to go down in history about as well.
I'd have far less objection to the government printing this partisan leaflet and sending it out if both sides had uncapped amounts to spend during the referendum (like in the USA).
But to have the government spend more in one go on propaganda than the other side's official campaign is allowed to spend altogether in the entire campaign takes the piss.
If you want to hear truly bonkers stuff, check out Alex Jones / John McAfee...its all a CIA job...
Mr. Eagles, you can call Cameron Caesar if you like. He's got the ego, and he may end up meeting a similarly sharp decline to his leadership. All he's lacking are the ability and the achievements.