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If you don't agree with the Government's one-sided Remain propaganda before the official campaign begins, please sign this petition;

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.

Plato_Says said:

The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April.

Sir Steve Smith, Exeter’s Vice-Chancellor, sent out personal invitations to a selected number of students and academics to represent the university. The invitation read: “I am writing to invite you to a special Q&A session with a senior Cabinet Minister. This will be an opportunity to ask questions on the important subject of Britain’s EU membership and what it means for young people.”

It was revealed earlier today that this senior Cabinet Minister is going to be none other than Prime Minister David Cameron. There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been.

http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/

ha ha

Anyone still placing bets on Osborne? He is as welcome to members as is treading in something unpleasant.
They should also re-consider betting on Boris.
http://www.conservativehome.com/to-the-point/2016/04/how-george-and-boris-have-gone-down-in-party-members-estimations.html

Plato_Says said:

I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.

A fair fight is all those like me are after.

RoyalBlue said:

If you don't agree with the Government's one-sided Remain propaganda before the official campaign begins, please sign this petition;

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.

Thanks, have added mine. Now over 50,000.

Plato_Says said:

The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April.
... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been.
http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/

Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.

The press were held behind a massive steel door to keep them out. It reminds me of EdM and Gordon only talking to Labour members.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

The Exeter University Conservative Association has not been invited to the Prime Minister’s talk, which is scheduled for Thursday, 7th April.
... There will be no invited representatives of the EUCA tomorrow during the 2-hour long discussion, although some individual members of the society have been.
http://exepose.com/2016/04/07/conservative-society-not-invited-to-see-david-cameron-talk-at-the-uni/

Things are so bad Cameron is avoiding Conservative groups.

SimonStClare said:

Welcome Mr Crack – for the record, Ms CycleFree is a lady.

Sounds like a scene from Reservoir Dogs

Signed the petition, thanks for the link. Up to 51,437 now!

MikeK said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.

A fair fight is all those like me are after.

RoyalBlue said:

If you don't agree with the Government's one-sided Remain propaganda before the official campaign begins, please sign this petition;

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.

Thanks, have added mine. Now over 50,000.

With mine; 50,138

With mine 51,521

AlastairMeeks said:

It's awfully good of the Leave campaign to give so much pre-publicity to the government's mailshot on the EU referendum. It will mean that it is much more likely to be read than it otherwise would have been.

Yes, that thought occurred to me.

I cannot understand why the Leave campaigns spend so much time talking to each other about how unfair life is. Don't they realise there's a referendum coming up?

Zac_Saq_and_Crack said:

I tend to agree with Cycle Free there has been very little in this race about what the candidates will actually do. But he is perhaps understating the simple truth that backstories do resonate with electorates.

What did the Labour Party ever do for the son of an immigrant bus driver? They made him London mayor*

*presumptuous in the extreme but you get the picture

The example should be Mo Farah: he was asked by some journalist some impertinent question about his background and he replied something like: "Nah, I'm British mate. Just like you." Sure - he had a backstory that resonated. But - now - he was and saw himself as British and what people responded to was what he had achieved.

If we're really going to integrate immigrants we need to think of them as British and call them as such, especially their children and grandchildren and stop calling them Pakistani or whatever. It is precisely this endless harking on about the country of origin or, usually the country of origin of the parents or grandparents or great-grandparents, which is keeping people from integrating and which is perpetuating the sense of separation and separate cultures and all the rest of it. And this separation provides the space for some really unpleasant practices to continue and, frankly, also provides the space for extremist attitudes to flourish.

Khan is British. He was born here and became a solicitor, like plenty of others, and an MP, like plenty of others. He's the Labour candidate. Now stop talking about yourself and tell me what you are going to do for me and mine as Mayor.

weejonnie said:

MikeK said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.

A fair fight is all those like me are after.

RoyalBlue said:

If you don't agree with the Government's one-sided Remain propaganda before the official campaign begins, please sign this petition;

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.

Thanks, have added mine. Now over 50,000.

With mine; 50,138

With mine 51,521

51,676 with mine. It's shooting up quickly.

MikeK said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Plato_Says said:

I signed it earlier - whether I was Remain or Leave - I simply think it's anti democratic. HMG have been hobbling Leave at every stage, this is a fundamental issue that deserves better than sticking your thumb on scales because you can.

A fair fight is all those like me are after.

RoyalBlue said:

If you don't agree with the Government's one-sided Remain propaganda before the official campaign begins, please sign this petition;

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762

It's almost at 50,000. Pushing it over 100,000 will require the Government to explain why it won't be debated in the Commons, prolonging the embarrassment.

Thanks, have added mine. Now over 50,000.

With mine; 50,138

That number is going up quickly. With mine, it stood at 51, 222.

Anecdote alert: My husband came home from work saying how everyone was "up in arms" about the Government spending money on the Remain letter. He says that just about everyone there is talking about voting "Leave", even though most expect will probably cause chaos for them at work in the short-term (he works in a software house which targets the Funds industry).

matt said:

Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.

The two are far from being mutually exclusive, but I think the key point is that students and young people in general are a potential source of Remain votes - if they can be bothered!

You have to laugh at all these Leavers rushing to sign the E petition on the Govt leaflet after all their previous diatribe against these Leftie E petitions in the past .

Richard_Nabavi said:

matt said:

Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.

The two are far from being mutually exclusive, but I think the key point is that students and young people in general are a potential source of Remain votes - if they can be bothered!

If anything upper middle class students are the most likely to be on the far far left than other students!

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

MaxPB said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

matt said:

Exeter students are as upper middle class as they get. This idea that they are "lefties" is really rather silly.

The two are far from being mutually exclusive, but I think the key point is that students and young people in general are a potential source of Remain votes - if they can be bothered!

If anything upper middle class students are the most likely to be on the far far left than other students!

Depends on one's college.

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

You love accusing people of racism.

MarkSenior said:

You have to laugh at all these Leavers rushing to sign the E petition on the Govt leaflet after all their previous diatribe against these Leftie E petitions in the past .

It is perfectly fair, and sweet, to use an opponent's weapons against them.

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

''The government's position is that we should remain in the EU. Of course they're going to spend money promoting that point of view.''

Fine. Let them spend their own money, not mine. Let them have a whip round. Given their support base, its not like they can't afford it.

Sean_F said:

weejonnie said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by reamin. At the end of the day the remain side are just paid lackeys of the EU.

Corrected it for you.

Verb Sap. Harping on about 'racism' might get you some plaudits at the Guardian - but not here. It just shows how narrow minded your brain has become.

He ought to draft a "safe spaces" policy for a student union.

Looks like the PM has already created a 'safe space' for himself at Exeter Uni.

LucyJones said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

Actually they will do.

Does anyone reckon Dave will commission a great big stone of some sort with EU messages on it?

Danny565 said:

Am I the only one who thinks the government leaflet might be LESS effective because of the way it's so blatantly in favour of staying in the EU (right down to the front cover of "why the government thinks we should remain")?

If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".

It's a sign of desperation I think - the fact that they have apparently included some of the most fatuous and laughable claims doing the rounds in recent weeks speaks volumes.

weejonnie said:

That petition is now on 52824 at 14.47 - so in 10 minutes 1148 - 6500 an hour means it should reach 100000 by midnight.

Will it be announced on the BBC - Like the motion to ban Trump?

The BBC only talk about petitions they agree with. They've ignored petitions on immigration and also the pro-Trump one.

Staggers article on Mayor of Bristol who is also up for re-election in May.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2016/04/will-bristol-re-elect-marmite-mayor

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

Actually they will do.

Fair enough, you are correct..
Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.

runnymede said:

Danny565 said:

Am I the only one who thinks the government leaflet might be LESS effective because of the way it's so blatantly in favour of staying in the EU (right down to the front cover of "why the government thinks we should remain")?

If they had dressed it up as a neutral document, but which was subtly slanted in favour of the EU (with an "on the one hand this small thing is a disadvantage, but then there's this big huge thing that's a big advantage") they might have persuaded more people reading it that it really was an independent analysis giving "the facts".

It's a sign of desperation I think - the fact that they have apparently included some of the most fatuous and laughable claims doing the rounds in recent weeks speaks volumes.

It will backfire imo.

There has been a response to the petition (as required by the rules when reaching 50K).

"The EU Referendum Act 2015 commits the Government to provide information to the public on EU membership ahead of the vote, and that is what we will do."

Maybe we should teach the FCO the difference between information and propaganda. I think they have just dug the hole a bit deeper.

Cyclefree said:

Zac_Saq_and_Crack said:

I tend to agree with Cycle Free there has been very little in this race about what the candidates will actually do. But he is perhaps understating the simple truth that backstories do resonate with electorates.

What did the Labour Party ever do for the son of an immigrant bus driver? They made him London mayor*

*presumptuous in the extreme but you get the picture

The example should be Mo Farah: he was asked by some journalist some impertinent question about his background and he replied something like: "Nah, I'm British mate. Just like you." Sure - he had a backstory that resonated. But - now - he was and saw himself as British and what people responded to was what he had achieved.

If we're really going to integrate immigrants we need to think of them as British and call them as such, especially their children and grandchildren and stop calling them Pakistani or whatever. It is precisely this endless harking on about the country of origin or, usually the country of origin of the parents or grandparents or great-grandparents, which is keeping people from integrating and which is perpetuating the sense of separation and separate cultures and all the rest of it. And this separation provides the space for some really unpleasant practices to continue and, frankly, also provides the space for extremist attitudes to flourish.

Khan is British. He was born here and became a solicitor, like plenty of others, and an MP, like plenty of others. He's the Labour candidate. Now stop talking about yourself and tell me what you are going to do for me and mine as Mayor.

That is true and well argued. I must agree.

SimonStClare said:

Welcome Mr Crack – for the record, Ms CycleFree is a lady.

My apologies CycleFree!!

Thank you, Simon, for correcting me.

That petition has hit 54k.

LucyJones said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

Actually they will do.

Fair enough, you are correct..
Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.

I said the other day Cameron is a vicious bastard when it comes to winning elections and plebiscites.

I'm shocked that anyone is shocked by this fact.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Welcome to pb.com, Mr. Crack.

SimonStClare said:

weejonnie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

Actually they will do.

Is the organisation given the £7 million or do they have to raise the funds? Just wondering.

The campaign selected to head the Leave side will receive ~£7.4 million of tax payers money to spend as they wish, IMRC.

Vote leave are keeping well away from 'immigration' https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voteleave/pages/98/attachments/original/1457545797/website-brochure-hq-mar16-2.pdf leaving that method of attack to GO.

Lovingly handcrafted from a slab of ethically challenged, unfairly traded, inorganic Panamanian marble.

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

Actually they will do.

Fair enough, you are correct..
Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.

I said the other day Cameron is a vicious bastard when it comes to winning elections and plebiscites.

I'm shocked that anyone is shocked by this fact.

More disappointed in him than shocked, to be honest. I used to like him and voted for him in 2010. These days, I can't stand the man.

Mr. Eagles, vicious bastard is someone like Francis Urquhart (House of Cards chap, not the PBer).

Cameron's coming across as a slippery weasel. A dodgy geezer. A Blair.

JackW said:

California - Field

Trump 41 .. Kasich 31 .. Cruz 22

Clinton 59 .. Trump 31
Clinton 55 .. Cruz 32

http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2530.pdf

Eh? The link shows the figures at Trump 39 Cruz 32 Kasich 18, doesn't it?

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, vicious bastard is someone like Francis Urquhart (House of Cards chap, not the PBer).

Cameron's coming across as a slippery weasel. A dodgy geezer. A Blair.

A vicious bastard is someone who authorises his Defence Secretary to say

"Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the United Kingdom in the back to become prime minister."

On the leaflet, the government needs to protect itself against the potential charge that 'Nobody warned us that the economy would tank if we voted Leave'.

Nice round number, I'm signature number 55,500 on the petition.

I'd have far less objection to the government printing this partisan leaflet and sending it out if both sides had uncapped amounts to spend during the referendum (like in the USA).

But to have the government spend more in one go on propaganda than the other side's official campaign is allowed to spend altogether in the entire campaign takes the piss.

LucyJones said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

LucyJones said:

SquareRoot said:

There are a lot of people who are "up in arms" about the lies being told by leave. At the end of the day the leave side are just either xenophobic or plain racist.

At least no-one has to pay for Leave's publications if they don't support Leave.

Actually they will do.

Fair enough, you are correct..
Still, it is fair to say that Remain are having two metaphorical bites at the cake with this letter coming out before the official campaign starts.

I said the other day Cameron is a vicious bastard when it comes to winning elections and plebiscites.

I'm shocked that anyone is shocked by this fact.

More disappointed in him than shocked, to be honest. I used to like him and voted for him in 2010. These days, I can't stand the man.

Same here - I remember when I posted c.2009, on PB(!), that I would do Dave in a heartbeat

Mr. Pubgoer, Iraq makes that unlikely, but I agree he's at risk of enjoying temporary success and purchasing a legacy of loathing.

Mr. Eagles, you can call Cameron Caesar if you like. He's got the ego, and he may end up meeting a similarly sharp decline to his leadership. All he's lacking are the ability and the achievements.