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The polling tide turning for the Tories? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited August 3 in General
imageThe polling tide turning for the Tories? – politicalbetting.com

Last night’s Redfield poll followed a week when the Tory lead was getting narrower and could suggest that things might be changing. As can be seen the CON lead went up to 7% compared with 4% the week before. The big thing about that poll was another very good share, 11%, for the LDs which compares with the 6% from Deltapoll only a few days before.

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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,907
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  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,576
    Memories fading of Boris last idiocy (the attempt to avoid self isolation).

    But there will certainly be more to come - Boris rarely learns from his mistakes.

    There's also the improving covid situation - this should help the Conservatives for the next few months especially if things deteriorate in USA, Australia and parts of Europe.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 21,576
    I'd be wary of comparing the other parties from one pollster to another.

    For R&W the LibDems have been on 11%, 9%, 10% and 12% in the last four polls - so pretty stable.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,068
    I tend to ignore the 'horse race' poll numbers outside the runup to a confirmed election. being August I'd not trust the polls either. Nothing to see until the end of the conference season but I'll not be looking for some time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3
    The latest Redfield poll would be an exact repeat of their 1992 voteshares for the Tories and Labour (Davey's LDs would actually be down 5% on what Ashdown got).

    So Starmer would have helped Labour to something of a recovery as Kinnock did then but Labour would still be seeking their Blair or Smith to actually build a clear enough poll lead to return to power with any prospect of a majority.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 30,984
    Just watched the crash. That Danish rider has 100% got a case of roid rage.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 67,956
    How tiny are these gymnasts for the beam ?!

    Biles is 4'8 and she's about average height amongst them with some even shorter than her. Must be easier to flip and balance when you need a booster seat for the car.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,068
    MaxPB said:

    Just watched the crash. That Danish rider has 100% got a case of roid rage.

    Still no official result though. There's no more races in the velodrome today so they have a few hours to determine the outcome.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 29,568
    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 56,949
    Mr. Divvie, I'm shocked to see a green enthusiast being hypocritical on transport.

    Shocked, I tell thee!
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 7,675

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




    Model 3LR is 360+ miles. What the fuck is she on about?

    Or is this an exciting new front in the culture war?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,127
    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 56,949
    Mr. Walker, maybe. Maybe someone has it in for the PM's current wife, and is going for an ally.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 68,915
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The USA is now quite a long distance behind China in the medal table (based on golds)

    Still a distance to go, but I wonder if my prediction will come true: this is the first Olympics (outside China) where China beats the USA

    The US however only counts overall medals, in which they still lead China

    https://www.foxsports.com/summer-olympics/standings
    Not sure they've always done that. Nations seem to do it only when it benefits them - china did so last time so theyd be above us, but I bet they dont this time if it means the US is above them.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877

    Mr. Walker, maybe. Maybe someone has it in for the PM's current wife, and is going for an ally.

    Maybe.
    Though for some reason - just intuition - I feel like Allegra is no longer in favour at the court.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877
    It’s good to see the LDs hit the heady heights of 12% mid-term.

    It’s all a C&A bounce, I reckon, as angry southern Remainers realise they are still a viable vehicle.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,068
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The USA is now quite a long distance behind China in the medal table (based on golds)

    Still a distance to go, but I wonder if my prediction will come true: this is the first Olympics (outside China) where China beats the USA

    The US however only counts overall medals, in which they still lead China

    https://www.foxsports.com/summer-olympics/standings
    Not sure they've always done that. Nations seem to do it only when it benefits them - china did so last time so theyd be above us, but I bet they dont this time if it means the US is above them.
    They certainly have since Beijing 2008 I don't remember before but I think it's the way that they've always done it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,198
    spudgfsh said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The USA is now quite a long distance behind China in the medal table (based on golds)

    Still a distance to go, but I wonder if my prediction will come true: this is the first Olympics (outside China) where China beats the USA

    The US however only counts overall medals, in which they still lead China

    https://www.foxsports.com/summer-olympics/standings
    Not sure they've always done that. Nations seem to do it only when it benefits them - china did so last time so theyd be above us, but I bet they dont this time if it means the US is above them.
    They certainly have since Beijing 2008 I don't remember before but I think it's the way that they've always done it.
    China has drawn level on total medals: 66 each.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57836709
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 4,614
    edited August 3

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
    It's self-sabotage. Her diesel is apparently third-hand, so she could tell a reasonable story about looking forward to buying an electric car, but not wanting to junk a car that's still functioning - because of the resources used when making it.

    Instead she sounds like the rest of the government - we want you to buy electric cars, but they're not good enough for me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,068
    spudgfsh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just watched the crash. That Danish rider has 100% got a case of roid rage.

    Still no official result though. There's no more races in the velodrome today so they have a few hours to determine the outcome.
    just gone through on the official page. GB relegated to the 7/8 place race
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 51,489
    Interesting background to London flooding:

    The problem is exacerbated by the way London has developed. For decades, its water table was artificially suppressed by factories tapping it. Deindustrialisation means it has been rising again since the 1980s.

    https://www.economist.com/britain/2021/07/31/londons-flooding-is-sure-to-worsen
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,127
    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963

    spudgfsh said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The USA is now quite a long distance behind China in the medal table (based on golds)

    Still a distance to go, but I wonder if my prediction will come true: this is the first Olympics (outside China) where China beats the USA

    The US however only counts overall medals, in which they still lead China

    https://www.foxsports.com/summer-olympics/standings
    Not sure they've always done that. Nations seem to do it only when it benefits them - china did so last time so theyd be above us, but I bet they dont this time if it means the US is above them.
    They certainly have since Beijing 2008 I don't remember before but I think it's the way that they've always done it.
    China has drawn level on total medals: 66 each.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57836709
    On total medals GB now 3rd in the world behind China and the US who are joint top and Russian Olympic Committee who are second
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 5,909

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




    I have some sympathy on this, having recently thought long and hard about buying an electric car but ultimately opting for a Ulez-compliant diesel. If she was after a seven seater car like I was then her only option would have been the Tesla Model X (around £50k second hand). I hope my next car will be electric though, I have high hopes for the Model Y. On street charging needs to be improved significantly too.
    If I was a climate spokesperson I might have just sucked it up and gone electric (although there are plenty of green issues with electric cars too).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
    It's self-sabotage. Her diesel is apparently third-hand, so she could tell a reasonable story about looking forward to buying an electric car, but not wanting to junk a car that's still functioning - because of the resources used when making it.

    Instead she sounds like the rest of the government - we want you to buy electric cars, but they're not good enough for me.
    The other thing this tiny little story tells me is that we are not - as a population - in any way psychologically ready for net zero.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,244
    Fascinating. Thanks for posting.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 3,486
    spudgfsh said:

    spudgfsh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just watched the crash. That Danish rider has 100% got a case of roid rage.

    Still no official result though. There's no more races in the velodrome today so they have a few hours to determine the outcome.
    just gone through on the official page. GB relegated to the 7/8 place race
    Seems harsh. Looked like the British rider was following the rules.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877
    I was reading about semi conductors on the weekend.

    Does anyone know why we allowed the sell-off of the Newport Wafer Fabricator to the Chinese?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,244

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
    It's self-sabotage. Her diesel is apparently third-hand, so she could tell a reasonable story about looking forward to buying an electric car, but not wanting to junk a car that's still functioning - because of the resources used when making it.

    Instead she sounds like the rest of the government - we want you to buy electric cars, but they're not good enough for me.
    The other thing this tiny little story tells me is that we are not - as a population - in any way psychologically ready for net zero.
    Yep. @Dura's 360 mile travelling Model 3LR costs £50k and @OnlyLivingBoy mentioned another second hand model for the same money. Add to that trying to charge it if you are on the 15th floor of Trellick Tower and so forth, and we really have a challenge ahead of us.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 56,949
    Mr. Walker, aye. But the PM (and his green enthusiast wife) are very into it.

    And if recent history's taught us anything, it's that the PM's capacity for far-sighted strategic thinking (or even contemplating the immediate consequences of his actions) is not spectacular.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877
    HYUFD said:

    spudgfsh said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The USA is now quite a long distance behind China in the medal table (based on golds)

    Still a distance to go, but I wonder if my prediction will come true: this is the first Olympics (outside China) where China beats the USA

    The US however only counts overall medals, in which they still lead China

    https://www.foxsports.com/summer-olympics/standings
    Not sure they've always done that. Nations seem to do it only when it benefits them - china did so last time so theyd be above us, but I bet they dont this time if it means the US is above them.
    They certainly have since Beijing 2008 I don't remember before but I think it's the way that they've always done it.
    China has drawn level on total medals: 66 each.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57836709
    On total medals GB now 3rd in the world behind China and the US who are joint top and Russian Olympic Committee who are second
    Even on Olympic medal stats, you need to read HYUFD’s posts twice to make sure you’ve found the mendacious bit.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 29,568
    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


  • eekeek Posts: 14,808

    I was reading about semi conductors on the weekend.

    Does anyone know why we allowed the sell-off of the Newport Wafer Fabricator to the Chinese?

    Ancient tech ...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,198
    HYUFD said:

    spudgfsh said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The USA is now quite a long distance behind China in the medal table (based on golds)

    Still a distance to go, but I wonder if my prediction will come true: this is the first Olympics (outside China) where China beats the USA

    The US however only counts overall medals, in which they still lead China

    https://www.foxsports.com/summer-olympics/standings
    Not sure they've always done that. Nations seem to do it only when it benefits them - china did so last time so theyd be above us, but I bet they dont this time if it means the US is above them.
    They certainly have since Beijing 2008 I don't remember before but I think it's the way that they've always done it.
    China has drawn level on total medals: 66 each.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/57836709
    On total medals GB now 3rd in the world behind China and the US who are joint top and Russian Olympic Committee who are second
    PB pedantry but important for settling bets: China & USA are joint first but they are also joint second; Russia-ish is therefore third and Team GB fourth.

    1= China
    1= USA
    3 not-Russia
    4 Great Britain
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,127
    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
  • eekeek Posts: 14,808
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877
    eek said:

    I was reading about semi conductors on the weekend.

    Does anyone know why we allowed the sell-off of the Newport Wafer Fabricator to the Chinese?

    Ancient tech ...
    Thanks. I assumed this was the case.

    Imagine if we decided to spend x billion building up a semiconductor industry in South Wales, though.

    I’d support Boris is he was for these kind of heroic industrial missions, instead of touting impossible bridges.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
    In late December and early to mid January it was over 80s and those in care homes being prioritised for vaccination and they have the highest death rate by age. Once they were done socioeconomic factors and the high concentration of people in the inner city meant Newham overtook Woking on deaths as the higher proportion of elderly in Woking was less significant
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,127
    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
    In late December and early to mid January it was over 80s and those in care homes being prioritised for vaccination and they have the highest death rate by age. Once they were done socioeconomic factors and the high concentration of people in the inner city meant Newham overtook Woking on deaths as the higher proportion of elderly in Woking was less significant
    How do you explain that COVID deaths in St Johns were higher in both February and March than January?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 3,833

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




    I have some sympathy on this, having recently thought long and hard about buying an electric car but ultimately opting for a Ulez-compliant diesel. If she was after a seven seater car like I was then her only option would have been the Tesla Model X (around £50k second hand). I hope my next car will be electric though, I have high hopes for the Model Y. On street charging needs to be improved significantly too.
    If I was a climate spokesperson I might have just sucked it up and gone electric (although there are plenty of green issues with electric cars too).
    Indeed. My mechanical engineering prof colleague is livid about the about face on diesel cars, after he bought a new Mercedes a few years ago, that was top speck for emissions etc, but now finds he can't drive into Bath in it without paying nine quid a go...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,198
    The Chinese 16yo gold medallist Chenchen Guan seems to have knocked back half a bottle of vodka since dismounting. She almost fell backwards into her flag and is being manhandled into position for the cameras. Then she almost forgot to collect her medal.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 4,211
    Pulpstar said:

    How tiny are these gymnasts for the beam ?!

    Biles is 4'8 and she's about average height amongst them with some even shorter than her. Must be easier to flip and balance when you need a booster seat for the car.

    Just as they have weightlifting for different sizes of people, perhaps so they should for gymnastics. I would certainly tune in to watch the superfat tumbling.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
    Yep. Planting stories in the press.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,244

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




    I have some sympathy on this, having recently thought long and hard about buying an electric car but ultimately opting for a Ulez-compliant diesel. If she was after a seven seater car like I was then her only option would have been the Tesla Model X (around £50k second hand). I hope my next car will be electric though, I have high hopes for the Model Y. On street charging needs to be improved significantly too.
    If I was a climate spokesperson I might have just sucked it up and gone electric (although there are plenty of green issues with electric cars too).
    Indeed. My mechanical engineering prof colleague is livid about the about face on diesel cars, after he bought a new Mercedes a few years ago, that was top speck for emissions etc, but now finds he can't drive into Bath in it without paying nine quid a go...
    There is a speadsheet to be created here which is money saved on non-ULEZ compliant car vs extra charges incurred by paying ULEZ fees. As an existing owner the marginal cost of the charge should be seen against taking public transport (after all the aim of the charge in the first place).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 9,983
    LOL at the National.

    Cycling collision in Olympic Heat when Danish rider rides into GB Team Member.

    National headline:

    "BBC apologise as cyclist Frederik Madsen shouts 'f*** them' during morning coverage"
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19486911.bbc-apologise-cyclist-frederik-madsen-shouts-f-them-morning-coverage/

    Niche market, chaps?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,198
    kinabalu said:

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
    Yep. Planting stories in the press.
    Who is planting stories against Allegra Stratton and why do they bother? The Green Party gaffe came in a press interview, and her car will have been seen by any number of people. No plants needed.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,068
    MrEd said:

    spudgfsh said:

    spudgfsh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just watched the crash. That Danish rider has 100% got a case of roid rage.

    Still no official result though. There's no more races in the velodrome today so they have a few hours to determine the outcome.
    just gone through on the official page. GB relegated to the 7/8 place race
    Seems harsh. Looked like the British rider was following the rules.
    I don't fully understand the rules but the fact that the Dane wasn't looking where he was going should have had an impact. F1 would have called it a 'Racing incident'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
    In late December and early to mid January it was over 80s and those in care homes being prioritised for vaccination and they have the highest death rate by age. Once they were done socioeconomic factors and the high concentration of people in the inner city meant Newham overtook Woking on deaths as the higher proportion of elderly in Woking was less significant
    How do you explain that COVID deaths in St Johns were higher in both February and March than January?
    As plenty of over 80s who caught Covid in December or early January would have got it before being vaccinated or before the vaccines take full effect (which is generally a few weeks). The Case rates which peaked in December, early January would only have led to deaths in late January or February or even March

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,127
    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
    In late December and early to mid January it was over 80s and those in care homes being prioritised for vaccination and they have the highest death rate by age. Once they were done socioeconomic factors and the high concentration of people in the inner city meant Newham overtook Woking on deaths as the higher proportion of elderly in Woking was less significant
    How do you explain that COVID deaths in St Johns were higher in both February and March than January?
    As plenty of over 80s who caught Covid in December or early January would have got it before being vaccinated or before the vaccines take full effect (which is generally a few weeks). The Case rates which peaked in December, early January would only have led to deaths in February or March

    So how do you explain the spike in the Newham ward in January?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 29,568
    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    The morass of uncool in which he's embedded may accentuate it of course..
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 14,550
    MattW said:

    LOL at the National.

    Cycling collision in Olympic Heat when Danish rider rides into GB Team Member.

    National headline:

    "BBC apologise as cyclist Frederik Madsen shouts 'f*** them' during morning coverage"
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19486911.bbc-apologise-cyclist-frederik-madsen-shouts-f-them-morning-coverage/

    Niche market, chaps?

    Not specific to the National. See its Unionist stablemate:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19487058.tokyo-bbc-apologise-cyclist-frederik-madsen-shouts-f-them-team-gb-crash/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 14,550
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
    In late December and early to mid January it was over 80s and those in care homes being prioritised for vaccination and they have the highest death rate by age. Once they were done socioeconomic factors and the high concentration of people in the inner city meant Newham overtook Woking on deaths as the higher proportion of elderly in Woking was less significant
    How do you explain that COVID deaths in St Johns were higher in both February and March than January?
    As plenty of over 80s who caught Covid in December or early January would have got it before being vaccinated or before the vaccines take full effect (which is generally a few weeks). The Case rates which peaked in December, early January would only have led to deaths in February or March

    So how do you explain the spike in the Newham ward in January?
    The OAP Brexiters caught it when working patriotically to export sprouts to Anzac?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 67,956
    spudgfsh said:

    MrEd said:

    spudgfsh said:

    spudgfsh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Just watched the crash. That Danish rider has 100% got a case of roid rage.

    Still no official result though. There's no more races in the velodrome today so they have a few hours to determine the outcome.
    just gone through on the official page. GB relegated to the 7/8 place race
    Seems harsh. Looked like the British rider was following the rules.
    I don't fully understand the rules but the fact that the Dane wasn't looking where he was going should have had an impact. F1 would have called it a 'Racing incident'
    I think it's right the Danes went through, but the British team should have had another go to post a bronze contention time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    tlg86 said:

    A good example of how a younger population on average offers very little protection against COVID:


    Except the vaccination rate in Surrey is far higher now than in Newham, so more a case of a younger population of unvaccinated people offers very little protection against Covid compared to an older population of vaccinated people
    Look at the dates.
    It includes January and February and March 2021 when the over 60s were being prioritised for vaccination
    Yes, but it takes time to take effect and the point isn't the Woking figures that matter - they're relatively low because lockdown was working there - it's the figures for Newham in January that tell the story.
    In late December and early to mid January it was over 80s and those in care homes being prioritised for vaccination and they have the highest death rate by age. Once they were done socioeconomic factors and the high concentration of people in the inner city meant Newham overtook Woking on deaths as the higher proportion of elderly in Woking was less significant
    How do you explain that COVID deaths in St Johns were higher in both February and March than January?
    As plenty of over 80s who caught Covid in December or early January would have got it before being vaccinated or before the vaccines take full effect (which is generally a few weeks). The Case rates which peaked in December, early January would only have led to deaths in February or March

    So how do you explain the spike in the Newham ward in January?
    High case rates like Woking but fewer vaccinated even by mid January than Woking, given most over 80s had been vaccinated by mid January
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427
    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877

    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    The morass of uncool in which he's embedded may accentuate it of course..
    Amazing to see the young Michael Gove there, next to Bowie.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 33,226

    I was reading about semi conductors on the weekend.

    Does anyone know why we allowed the sell-off of the Newport Wafer Fabricator to the Chinese?

    Because it was obsolete and fairly irrelevant.
    We gave up on wafer fabs many, many years ago.

    If they do anything useful with it, perhaps we could nick some tech off them...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 14,947
    Here's some good news:

    "Greggs to create 500 jobs as it plans 100 more stores"

    Flaked parmesan over a steak bake anyone?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 2,453
    Anyone else tired of this constant stream of 'good news for the government' headers today? :wink:

    If there's anything in this apart from noise I suspect it's negativity towards the government for cocking up and causing the massive spike in Covid cases followed by positivity as it turns out they were sensible afterall as cases go down. Plus this isolatio shambles too, of course, but not sure how many normal people noticed that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 3,833
    Leon said:

    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones

    Being China, do you think she has much choice about it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427
    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    A rather tragic photo, too, given what happened to the Geldofs
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 33,226

    eek said:

    I was reading about semi conductors on the weekend.

    Does anyone know why we allowed the sell-off of the Newport Wafer Fabricator to the Chinese?

    Ancient tech ...
    Thanks. I assumed this was the case.

    Imagine if we decided to spend x billion building up a semiconductor industry in South Wales, though.

    I’d support Boris is he was for these kind of heroic industrial missions, instead of touting impossible bridges.
    X0 billion.
    Or even X00.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427

    Leon said:

    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones

    Being China, do you think she has much choice about it?
    Almost certainly not, but nonetheless: bloody hell. She also looked endearingly stunned by her gold
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 3,486
    Nigelb said:

    I was reading about semi conductors on the weekend.

    Does anyone know why we allowed the sell-off of the Newport Wafer Fabricator to the Chinese?

    Because it was obsolete and fairly irrelevant.
    We gave up on wafer fabs many, many years ago.

    If they do anything useful with it, perhaps we could nick some tech off them...
    That is interesting and cheers for the insight. A lot of the noise in the papers has been about "how can you sell this to the Chinese?". Good to know that is not the case.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394

    kinabalu said:

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.


    Allegra is having a nightmare.
    This is hot on the heels of the “vote green” story.

    Somebody has it in for her, I reckon.
    Yep. Planting stories in the press.
    Who is planting stories against Allegra Stratton and why do they bother? The Green Party gaffe came in a press interview, and her car will have been seen by any number of people. No plants needed.
    Yes, sorry, just a sly Bob Dylan ref. :smile:

    It's a line from a song he wrote about Boris Johnson - Idiot Wind.

    "Blowing every time you move your mouth. Blowing down the back roads, heading South."
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877

    Here's some good news:

    "Greggs to create 500 jobs as it plans 100 more stores"

    Flaked parmesan over a steak bake anyone?

    Low productivity jobs for low productivity customers.

    (Ducks).
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 5,909
    TOPPING said:

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




    I have some sympathy on this, having recently thought long and hard about buying an electric car but ultimately opting for a Ulez-compliant diesel. If she was after a seven seater car like I was then her only option would have been the Tesla Model X (around £50k second hand). I hope my next car will be electric though, I have high hopes for the Model Y. On street charging needs to be improved significantly too.
    If I was a climate spokesperson I might have just sucked it up and gone electric (although there are plenty of green issues with electric cars too).
    Indeed. My mechanical engineering prof colleague is livid about the about face on diesel cars, after he bought a new Mercedes a few years ago, that was top speck for emissions etc, but now finds he can't drive into Bath in it without paying nine quid a go...
    There is a speadsheet to be created here which is money saved on non-ULEZ compliant car vs extra charges incurred by paying ULEZ fees. As an existing owner the marginal cost of the charge should be seen against taking public transport (after all the aim of the charge in the first place).
    I live inside the expanded ULEZ so no spreadsheet was required. I agree with the extension, incidentally, even if I did have to fork out for a new (second hand) motor as a result.
  • felixfelix Posts: 13,692
    Apologies if already posted.

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    1h
    Scottish independence voting intention:

    Yes: 48.1% (-6.1)
    No: 51.9% (+6.1)

    via @BritainElects
    poll tracker, 24 Jun
    Chgs. w/ 13 Jan
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 33,226
    Note to @edmundintokyo from last thread - did not mean to imply that you personally were 'playing games', if that's how it read.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 14,947

    Here's some good news:

    "Greggs to create 500 jobs as it plans 100 more stores"

    Flaked parmesan over a steak bake anyone?

    Low productivity jobs for low productivity customers.

    (Ducks).
    I thought that civil servants were more Pret than Greggs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427
    China is now 10 golds ahead of the USA, and equal on total medals

    I think my prediction will come true: China is going to beat America for the first time (apart from Beijing)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394

    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    The morass of uncool in which he's embedded may accentuate it of course..
    Yes, that's very much the case. Paula looks ok and that's about it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427
    felix said:

    Apologies if already posted.

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    1h
    Scottish independence voting intention:

    Yes: 48.1% (-6.1)
    No: 51.9% (+6.1)

    via @BritainElects
    poll tracker, 24 Jun
    Chgs. w/ 13 Jan

    52/48

    LOL

    But that's a huge shift to NO. Good luck to Ms Sturgeon launching her fierce new drive for an indyref2 which she has absolutely no intention of holding
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 8,877
    felix said:

    Apologies if already posted.

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    1h
    Scottish independence voting intention:

    Yes: 48.1% (-6.1)
    No: 51.9% (+6.1)

    via @BritainElects
    poll tracker, 24 Jun
    Chgs. w/ 13 Jan

    It is not that long since such a poll would have induced blind panic in Unionists.
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,004
    I think it was OGH who wrote a thread about US medal tally at these olympics. Looks like that was a good bet.
  • eekeek Posts: 14,808

    Here's some good news:

    "Greggs to create 500 jobs as it plans 100 more stores"

    Flaked parmesan over a steak bake anyone?

    Low productivity jobs for low productivity customers.

    (Ducks).
    5 workers per store isn't low productivity - but it's a low margin good.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 10,285
    I note with some dismay, but little surprise, that certain PBers have reverted to their favourite pastime of trashing the vaccine, on the earlier thread.

    Same shit, different day.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394
    Leon said:

    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones

    The beam is the gymnastics skill I find the most mindblowing. The others I can just about imagine doing really really badly after years and years of practice, but that one, no. Not possible.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,416

    Never trust a man over 35 with “romantic long hair”.

    I'm reminded of this:
    image
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 29,568

    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    The morass of uncool in which he's embedded may accentuate it of course..
    Amazing to see the young Michael Gove there, next to Bowie.
    Snorting coke off rent boys' ****s later that night, no doubt.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,244

    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    The morass of uncool in which he's embedded may accentuate it of course..
    Only the Thin White Duke could get away with that garb for a wedding.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3

    felix said:

    Apologies if already posted.

    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    ·
    1h
    Scottish independence voting intention:

    Yes: 48.1% (-6.1)
    No: 51.9% (+6.1)

    via @BritainElects
    poll tracker, 24 Jun
    Chgs. w/ 13 Jan

    It is not that long since such a poll would have induced blind panic in Unionists.
    Pre Brexit maybe, post Brexit in a country which voted 62% Remain for Yes to be only 3% higher than it got in 2014 is a great poll for Unionists and a disaster for Sturgeon
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394

    TOPPING said:

    I'm old enough to remember when governments were obsessed with optics.




    I have some sympathy on this, having recently thought long and hard about buying an electric car but ultimately opting for a Ulez-compliant diesel. If she was after a seven seater car like I was then her only option would have been the Tesla Model X (around £50k second hand). I hope my next car will be electric though, I have high hopes for the Model Y. On street charging needs to be improved significantly too.
    If I was a climate spokesperson I might have just sucked it up and gone electric (although there are plenty of green issues with electric cars too).
    Indeed. My mechanical engineering prof colleague is livid about the about face on diesel cars, after he bought a new Mercedes a few years ago, that was top speck for emissions etc, but now finds he can't drive into Bath in it without paying nine quid a go...
    There is a speadsheet to be created here which is money saved on non-ULEZ compliant car vs extra charges incurred by paying ULEZ fees. As an existing owner the marginal cost of the charge should be seen against taking public transport (after all the aim of the charge in the first place).
    I live inside the expanded ULEZ so no spreadsheet was required. I agree with the extension, incidentally, even if I did have to fork out for a new (second hand) motor as a result.
    I don't like this topic. Old Merc looks doomed. Still not decided how to play things. Not thinking about it. Head in sand.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones

    The beam is the gymnastics skill I find the most mindblowing. The others I can just about imagine doing really really badly after years and years of practice, but that one, no. Not possible.
    Yes, agreed

    It's the balance, and fearlessness. And the jumping. And the splits. OK everything

    Sometimes the floor is quite inexplicable as well. How can a human leap that high?!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 31,244
    Leon said:

    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones

    There's a strong legacy of this stuff in China:

    As is now legend, Jackie Chan began his martial arts career at a young age when he was enrolled at the China Drama Academy in 1960 at age six. This was a Peking Opera school run by Yu Jim-yuen. His parents were so poor they offered to sell him as a baby. This was one way they could afford to keep him. Peking opera is a flamboyant and acrobatic stage show that includes martial arts, gymnastics, singing, and elaborate makeup and costumes. It requires extreme precision and performance from its artists, and the China Dram Academy was rigorous in extracting it. When Jackie first signed up for the school, his parents had to sign a waver that permitted the school to discipline him, “even to death."

    Jackie had been excited to join the academy and had encouraged his parents to make the decision. But pretty soon he realized just what a rigorous and punishing regime he would live through for the next decade and a half. Students slept on the floor and began training at 5am, starting with jogging, painful stretching, kung fu, and head balancing. Rule breaking was met with caning, and pupils weren’t allowed to use the toilet during training, as they were expected to sweat it out. If they needed the toilet, they hadn’t been training hard enough! They sustained themselves on bowls of congee for breakfast – essentially porridge – and soup and tofu for lunch. Flips were learned on the hard floor with no nets or pads. If you were sick or hurt, it was seen as an attempt to get out of training. Yu said “if you can move, you can fly.”


  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,760
    Taz said:

    I think it was OGH who wrote a thread about US medal tally at these olympics. Looks like that was a good bet.

    For the record: It was me, but I also wrote a second thread saying I thought my logic was superficial. So I'm not sure how much credit I'm entitled to. I also said that the US to win most golds at 1/8 was 'arguably value' (though I didn't tip it, and did tip them getting under 113 medals overall).

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/07/24/olympic-over-unders-the-usa-might-be-overrated/

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/07/31/my-last-bet-was-stupid-win-or-lose/

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 88,963
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    China is now 10 golds ahead of the USA, and equal on total medals

    I think my prediction will come true: China is going to beat America for the first time (apart from Beijing)

    Given China has 4 times the population of the USA the surprise is more the US ever beat China in the first place.

    All things being equal population wise China should always top the Olympics medal table, India should be 2nd and the US 3rd so the US is still punching above its weight.

    It is India still doing very poorly in the non cricket sporting arena even as it grows economically
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,198
    Leon said:

    Jesus that Chinese gymnast girl is 16. How can you do that stuff so young?

    My daughters are about the same age and can barely get out of bed to look at their phones

    There are 1.4 billion people in China. Let's make the unlikely assumption there are equal numbers of each age up to 70. That 1.4bn/70 gives 20 million at each age, of whom half will be female. So that is 10 million Chinese girls starting school every year.

    Then just have the PE teachers scan them for any sign of talent at handstands and send the best ones for training. Likewise runners, exceptionally tall kids and so on.

    Lots of countries do more-or-less this but China has more people to start with, and the authority to organise it centrally rather than rely on scouts hoping for a cut of a future star's wages. Lionel Messi was recruited by Barcelona from his Argentinian side at the age of 13. In Britain, going to the right school helps! Private schools have great facilities and professional coaches; some comprehensives might have excellent teachers with the right contacts. David Beckham and Harry Kane went to the same school, for instance. Many footballers have praised their teachers.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 29,568
    edited August 3
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Quiz for today, name as many of them as possible. Thought that was Nigel Kennedy on the left but it is of course the one and only Johnnie Fingers, Aled Jones on the right, Midge Ure looks like he's got something very naughty under his Royal Stewart and I assume George Michael is the ruddy faced scaffolder behind Geldof.


    The Bowie cool is quite strong there.
    The morass of uncool in which he's embedded may accentuate it of course..
    Only the Thin White Duke could get away with that garb for a wedding.
    Socks disappointingly wrinkled mind. I can see a case for those American suspender things to hold up his Pantherellas just for the photo, then whip em off for the Birdy Song etc.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,198
    edited August 3
    Taz said:

    I think it was OGH who wrote a thread about US medal tally at these olympics. Looks like that was a good bet.

    @Quincel iirc. Twice.

    ETA ah, the author has replied with links.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 11,427
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    China is now 10 golds ahead of the USA, and equal on total medals

    I think my prediction will come true: China is going to beat America for the first time (apart from Beijing)

    Given China has 4 times the population of the USA the surprise is more the US ever beat China in the first place.

    All things being equal population wise China should always top the Olympics medal table, India should be 2nd and the US 3rd so the US is still punching above its weight.

    It is India still doing very poorly in the non cricket sporting arena even as it grows economically
    The Germans are advancing, ominously. Up to 7th with 8 golds

    But TeamGB are just one gold from overtaking Oz

    Quite exciting

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 24,394
    Selebian said:

    Anyone else tired of this constant stream of 'good news for the government' headers today? :wink:

    If there's anything in this apart from noise I suspect it's negativity towards the government for cocking up and causing the massive spike in Covid cases followed by positivity as it turns out they were sensible afterall as cases go down. Plus this isolatio shambles too, of course, but not sure how many normal people noticed that.

    The big picture is the decision to go ahead with 19th July was correct - so perhaps some credit coming through for that.
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