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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    edited July 2021
    And on the subject of Bob Dylan, he paints very passably well. And welds artistic iron gates quite astonishingly well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,586
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    I suppose everyone could name the only 2 people to have won an Oscar and a Nobel Prize without googling?

    Bob Dylan and Al Gore?

    dixiedean said:

    I suppose everyone could name the only 2 people to have won an Oscar and a Nobel Prize without googling?

    Bob Dylan and Al Gore?
    Technically Al Gore shared the Nobel.
    Most Nobel Prizes are shared between two or three people. It is rare to win one outright. Still counts.
    Fair enough. But only 2 have whole ones to themselves.
    And Bob Dylan is one.
    Something crazy, like Margaret Mitchell?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,927
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    OT Conservatives had Seb Coe and Chris Chataway; LibDems Sir Ming Campbell; has Labour ever had an Olympian MP?

    Not only an Olympian, but a medallIst and a Nobel Prize winner too. Quite the double.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Noel-Baker
    That's a pretty impressive double. Has anyone else manages it?
    He is quite The Dude

    I am fascinated by people who excel outrageously in entirely diverse human endeavours

    Samuel Beckett, famously a Nobel Prize for Literature AND he's in Wisden

    Sir John Vanbrugh, a great architect AND a fine playwright? How?

    Churchill: journalist, cavalryman, painter, bricklayer, historian, orator, and won World War 2 (with a bit of help)

    Michelangelo was just obscenely talented. A world class, top 10 painter. But also a world class top 10 sculptor?! But wait, also a world class top 10 architect???

    And - many don't realise - also a notable poet

    But my favourite is possibly Gabrielle d'Annunzio. Excellent poet. Sometimes brilliant journalist. Deeply clever and quite successful politician. Fine and brave airman. Military innovator. Pioneering bomber. Genius womanizer. Radical autocrat of anarchist city state. WTAF

    Hard to beat
    More recently:

    Kim Wilde: pop star and horticulturalist

    Parry Gripp: pop star and horticulturalist

    Alan Titchmarsh: romantic author and horticulturalist

    Monty Don: fashion jeweller and horticulturalist


    Bill Oddie: comedian and birdwatcher...
    Bruce Dickinson: Rock star, pilot, Olympic fencer, brewer, DJ and entrepreneur. Some overlap, but not lots.

    Got expelled from school.for pissing in his headmaster's dinner.
    Bruce Dickinson is the person I would most like to share a pint with. Happy for him to choose the pint and fill the jukebox.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,586
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    I suppose everyone could name the only 2 people to have won an Oscar and a Nobel Prize without googling?

    Bob Dylan and Al Gore?

    dixiedean said:

    I suppose everyone could name the only 2 people to have won an Oscar and a Nobel Prize without googling?

    Bob Dylan and Al Gore?
    Technically Al Gore shared the Nobel.
    Most Nobel Prizes are shared between two or three people. It is rare to win one outright. Still counts.
    Fair enough. But only 2 have whole ones to themselves.
    And Bob Dylan is one.
    Something crazy, like Margaret Mitchell?
    Scratch that. The Author is not American.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Just figured out the reason Labour politicians keep calling Boris ‘Johnson’ is to associate him with the ‘Johnson Variant’

    Not a bad idea, but the public let them down by not catching Covid/dying in sufficient numbers
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    The other one is George Bernard Shaw.
    Literature 1925.
    Best writing, screenplay 1939 for his adaptation of Pygmalion.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,927
    Cyclefree said:

    TimS said:

    There’s a serious historical point in the recounting of Renaissance people of the past. 2 points in fact.

    Firstly, that late 20th century capitalism with its emphasis on specialism to the angels and pinheads level and the apparent efficiency it brought squeezed the air out of the idea of the multitalented individual, evoking as it does the sin of amateurism. In doing so it has created an industrial society that is successful when times are predictable, but flounders when they change bigly. The Silicon Valley bros may think they are Renaissance men because they can run websites, make electric cars and send people to space but they are still playing in one narrow field: VC-funded tech. In the mid 21st century we are now entering, where all the straightforward challenges can be managed by robots so only the impossible challenges remain, we are going to need more proper Renaissance people.

    Second, the examples we can all think of are men. Why? Because women have had to be multitalented by default for millennia. And the late capitalist love of singular specialism is perhaps one of the reasons women still to this day face scepticism at the idea they could possibly hold down a powerful job AND raise children. It’s the same engineering mindset that says you can’t be both a composer and a chemist. Or a pop star and horticulturalist, like my friend Richard.

    OK - so I'm bloody well going to nominate myself.

    Cyclefree: Top investigator, mother and PB header writer (+ amateur horticulturalist).

    So there!!
    And publican’s supporter.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,364
    isam said:

    Just figured out the reason Labour politicians keep calling Boris ‘Johnson’ is to associate him with the ‘Johnson Variant’

    Not a bad idea, but the public let them down by not catching Covid/dying in sufficient numbers

    That’ll be the worldwide dominant variant, better known as delta then? Ludicrous to call it Johnson.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    edited July 2021

    isam said:

    Just figured out the reason Labour politicians keep calling Boris ‘Johnson’ is to associate him with the ‘Johnson Variant’

    Not a bad idea, but the public let them down by not catching Covid/dying in sufficient numbers

    That’ll be the worldwide dominant variant, better known as delta then? Ludicrous to call it Johnson.
    Not wishing to start a kerfuffle. But is it the dominant strain worldwide yet?
    It may be, I don't know.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,586
    edited July 2021
    isam said:

    Just figured out the reason Labour politicians keep calling Boris ‘Johnson’ is to associate him with the ‘Johnson Variant’

    Not a bad idea, but the public let them down by not catching Covid/dying in sufficient numbers

    No, much simpler. It is simply to not accept the "Boris" character that he plays, but rather the Johnson underneath.

    Usage predates the "Johnson Variant"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,357

    Cookie said:

    Jeffrey Archer: politician, author and sprinter.

    Jeffrey Archer: politician, author, sprinter and convict.
    Rolf Harris: Royal Society Artist, Musician and singer, TV presenter...have I missed anything?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    I see the NRL is not releasing players for rugby league world cup.
    That means no Tonga (Favourites without Aus + NZ), Samoa or Fiji. And England will be weakened. Although we won't have anyone to beat.
    And hence no tournament.
    Quite clear where this is coming from, and it isn't the Oz and NZ government.
    Bailing out the sport of rugby league will move up the political agenda.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,972
    Cyclefree said:

    TimS said:

    There’s a serious historical point in the recounting of Renaissance people of the past. 2 points in fact.

    Firstly, that late 20th century capitalism with its emphasis on specialism to the angels and pinheads level and the apparent efficiency it brought squeezed the air out of the idea of the multitalented individual, evoking as it does the sin of amateurism. In doing so it has created an industrial society that is successful when times are predictable, but flounders when they change bigly. The Silicon Valley bros may think they are Renaissance men because they can run websites, make electric cars and send people to space but they are still playing in one narrow field: VC-funded tech. In the mid 21st century we are now entering, where all the straightforward challenges can be managed by robots so only the impossible challenges remain, we are going to need more proper Renaissance people.

    Second, the examples we can all think of are men. Why? Because women have had to be multitalented by default for millennia. And the late capitalist love of singular specialism is perhaps one of the reasons women still to this day face scepticism at the idea they could possibly hold down a powerful job AND raise children. It’s the same engineering mindset that says you can’t be both a composer and a chemist. Or a pop star and horticulturalist, like my friend Richard.

    OK - so I'm bloody well going to nominate myself.

    Cyclefree: Top investigator, mother and PB header writer (+ amateur horticulturalist).

    So there!!
    I was actually thinking of mentioning you in the horticulturalist list. The unique thing about gardening is its proper mix of art, science and PE as well as a universal, almost classless appeal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    NEW: Number of Americans hospitalized with COVID-19 tops 46,000, highest since March
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,923
    isam said:

    Just figured out the reason Labour politicians keep calling Boris ‘Johnson’ is to associate him with the ‘Johnson Variant’

    Not a bad idea, but the public let them down by not catching Covid/dying in sufficient numbers

    Calling it the "Johnson Variant" is pretty childish.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/30/pom-bears-popchips-and-hula-hoops-why-the-hundred-is-so-hard-to-digest

    Right...well the Guardian, the Rogeradumus of what the plebs enjoy, think the Hundred is crap, like Clarkson's farm...nailed on it is a mega success then.

    I keep getting messages from various grounds, saying such and such a fixture is a sell-out, would I like to book tickets for a future fixture.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,161
    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    tlg86 said:

    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.

    Chaos....its only silly if Team GB don't win a medal, like racing on tiny bikes.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,927
    A hundred pitch on Clarkson’s farm, with cowpats just inside the boundary, should make all PBers happy, as long as it is shown on terrestrial TV.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021

    A hundred pitch on Clarkson’s farm, with cowpats just inside the boundary, should make all PBers happy, as long as it is shown on terrestrial TV.

    To keep the Guardianistas happy, need use of Clarkson's wilding pool as a wild swimming location.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    tlg86 said:

    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.

    Seems a bit unfair to ask anyone to do it after the individuals, without at least a year in bed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.

    Seems a bit unfair to ask anyone to do it after the individuals, without at least a year in bed.
    I think in terms of effort, this is what they do as a light morning warm up most days.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited July 2021
    Poll suggests Conservatives could be in danger of losing more than a dozen 'blue wall' seats
    As it stands, Boris Johnson could lose up to 16 seats in traditional Tory heartlands, according to research carried out by polling company YouGov.

    YouGov found that voting intention in 53 such constituencies in the south and east of England currently held by the party stood at 44% for the Conservatives, 24% for Labour, 18% for the Liberal Democrats and 9% for the Greens.

    YouGov said its findings suggest that constituencies such as Chingford and Woodford Green (represented by former cabinet minister and party leader Iain Duncan Smith), Chipping Barnet (currently held by former cabinet minister Theresa Villiers) and Wycombe (represented by prominent Brexiteer and former minister Steve Baker) could change hands.

    "A large drop in the Conservative vote share would also severely threaten four other Tory constituencies, including current Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab in Esher and Walton as well as Cambridgeshire South, Cities of London and Westminster, and Guildford," Mr English said.

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/poll-suggests-conservatives-could-be-in-danger-of-losing-more-than-a-dozen-blue-wall-seats-12368489
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,786
    isam said:

    Just figured out the reason Labour politicians keep calling Boris ‘Johnson’ is to associate him with the ‘Johnson Variant’

    Or maybe because Johnson is his surname?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.

    Seems a bit unfair to ask anyone to do it after the individuals, without at least a year in bed.
    I think in terms of effort, this is what they do as a light morning warm up most days.
    Indeed. Like a light 150 km spin on a TdF "rest" day.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.

    Seems a bit unfair to ask anyone to do it after the individuals, without at least a year in bed.
    I think in terms of effort, this is what they do as a light morning warm up most days.
    Indeed. Like a light 150 km spin on a TdF "rest" day.
    I made the mistake of riding with the Brownlee brothers on Zwift, doing a light session...its was brutal.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,161

    Poll suggests Conservatives could be in danger of losing more than a dozen 'blue wall' seats
    As it stands, Boris Johnson could lose up to 16 seats in traditional Tory heartlands, according to research carried out by polling company YouGov.

    YouGov found that voting intention in 53 such constituencies in the south and east of England currently held by the party stood at 44% for the Conservatives, 24% for Labour, 18% for the Liberal Democrats and 9% for the Greens.

    YouGov said its findings suggest that constituencies such as Chingford and Woodford Green (represented by former cabinet minister and party leader Iain Duncan Smith), Chipping Barnet (currently held by former cabinet minister Theresa Villiers) and Wycombe (represented by prominent Brexiteer and former minister Steve Baker) could change hands.

    "A large drop in the Conservative vote share would also severely threaten four other Tory constituencies, including current Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab in Esher and Walton as well as Cambridgeshire South, Cities of London and Westminster, and Guildford," Mr English said.

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/poll-suggests-conservatives-could-be-in-danger-of-losing-more-than-a-dozen-blue-wall-seats-12368489

    That represents a change of -8 for the Conservatives from their 2019 performance in these constituencies, +4 for Labour, a surprising 6pt drop for the Liberal Democrats, and a sizeable 7pt gain for the Greens.

    More evidence that mid-term polling should be taken with a large pinch of salt.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    tlg86 said:

    Poll suggests Conservatives could be in danger of losing more than a dozen 'blue wall' seats
    As it stands, Boris Johnson could lose up to 16 seats in traditional Tory heartlands, according to research carried out by polling company YouGov.

    YouGov found that voting intention in 53 such constituencies in the south and east of England currently held by the party stood at 44% for the Conservatives, 24% for Labour, 18% for the Liberal Democrats and 9% for the Greens.

    YouGov said its findings suggest that constituencies such as Chingford and Woodford Green (represented by former cabinet minister and party leader Iain Duncan Smith), Chipping Barnet (currently held by former cabinet minister Theresa Villiers) and Wycombe (represented by prominent Brexiteer and former minister Steve Baker) could change hands.

    "A large drop in the Conservative vote share would also severely threaten four other Tory constituencies, including current Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab in Esher and Walton as well as Cambridgeshire South, Cities of London and Westminster, and Guildford," Mr English said.

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/poll-suggests-conservatives-could-be-in-danger-of-losing-more-than-a-dozen-blue-wall-seats-12368489

    That represents a change of -8 for the Conservatives from their 2019 performance in these constituencies, +4 for Labour, a surprising 6pt drop for the Liberal Democrats, and a sizeable 7pt gain for the Greens.

    More evidence that mid-term polling should be taken with a large pinch of salt.
    Agreed. But I find it fascinating that YouGov are choosing to look in detail at the Blue Wall.
  • YoungTurkYoungTurk Posts: 158
    edited July 2021
    Aleister Crowley - mountaineer, captain of the Cambridge University chess team, founder of a religion

    As for Leonardo, son of Armenia (:smile:), his appraisal may soar still higher when the Voynich manuscript is eventually decoded. :smiley::smiley:

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    Occasionally the Sun still get a good funny headline.

    The Sun - STARMA SUTRA Keir Starmer accused of having ‘more positions than Kama Sutra’ after Covid U-turns
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,586

    Occasionally the Sun still get a good funny headline.

    The Sun - STARMA SUTRA Keir Starmer accused of having ‘more positions than Kama Sutra’ after Covid U-turns

    So, they are saying Keir is a sex-god...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    This mixed triathlon seems a bit silly.

    Seems a bit unfair to ask anyone to do it after the individuals, without at least a year in bed.
    I think in terms of effort, this is what they do as a light morning warm up most days.
    Indeed. Like a light 150 km spin on a TdF "rest" day.
    I made the mistake of riding with the Brownlee brothers on Zwift, doing a light session...its was brutal.
    When I was 10, my half back partner was Shaun Edwards.
    As we moved through the age groups I learned the difference between committed, single pointed focussed nascent superstar and enthusiastic, skilled amateur slacker, who had some other interests.
    Only too well.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    Armin Laschet admits plagiarising part of his book

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/armin-laschet-admits-plagiarising-part-of-his-book-mvs828ncw

    What is it with German politicians copying big chunks of their Phd Thesis / books?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    Going for, going for, Gold.
    That's jinxed it. All my fault.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Going for, going for, Gold.
    That's jinxed it. All my fault.

    Get ready to watch GB News for the rest of the year!

    One problem is there is now a group working together on the bike, that is a huge advantage on reducing a lead.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,935
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    OT Conservatives had Seb Coe and Chris Chataway; LibDems Sir Ming Campbell; has Labour ever had an Olympian MP?

    Not only an Olympian, but a medallIst and a Nobel Prize winner too. Quite the double.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Noel-Baker
    That's a pretty impressive double. Has anyone else manages it?
    He is quite The Dude

    I am fascinated by people who excel outrageously in entirely diverse human endeavours

    Samuel Beckett, famously a Nobel Prize for Literature AND he's in Wisden

    Sir John Vanbrugh, a great architect AND a fine playwright? How?

    Churchill: journalist, cavalryman, painter, bricklayer, historian, orator, and won World War 2 (with a bit of help)

    Michelangelo was just obscenely talented. A world class, top 10 painter. But also a world class top 10 sculptor?! But wait, also a world class top 10 architect???

    And - many don't realise - also a notable poet

    But my favourite is possibly Gabrielle d'Annunzio. Excellent poet. Sometimes brilliant journalist. Deeply clever and quite successful politician. Fine and brave airman. Military innovator. Pioneering bomber. Genius womanizer. Radical autocrat of anarchist city state. WTAF

    Hard to beat
    More recently:

    Kim Wilde: pop star and horticulturalist

    Parry Gripp: pop star and horticulturalist

    Alan Titchmarsh: romantic author and horticulturalist

    Monty Don: fashion jeweller and horticulturalist


    And thus it was, that the humble millions trembled before the name

    TITCHMARSH
    I once overtook Titchmarsh on the M5 in Somerset. He was driving a Rolls Royce with the registration G4DNR, which kind of forced you to peer in see who it was. He seemed - though it must happen dozens of times a journey - highly satisfied to have been clocked and gave us a smile and a languid wave.
    Very smooth operator, Alan Titchmarsh. Doesn't have the edge of Monty Don but not everyone wants that in a gardening presenter.
    In the dim & distant past I worked for a telecom company that specialised in premium rate phone lines for all sorts of weird and wonderful services, including Mr Titchmarsh and his green fingers. He was excessively interested in his call volumes and his resultant revenue share, offputtingly so I thought at the time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    I think this is going to end up really tight.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    I always wonder if they have dedicated "transition" practice....todays folks we are going to spend 2hrs practicing putting your shoes on.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    BREAKING: Texas reports more than 16,000 new coronavirus cases, biggest one-day increase since February
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    edited July 2021
    Going to end up with USA / France working together to chase down Team GB on the bike.

    I think we are going to end up with it all been down to the run.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    French guy is looking good.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,394
    Yep.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    GOLLLLLDDDDDD...........
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,918
    That was really exciting race.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,799

    That was really exciting race.

    Yes but it is hard to shake off the impression the event was designed as a bet.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,799
    New thread.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,090

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    OT Conservatives had Seb Coe and Chris Chataway; LibDems Sir Ming Campbell; has Labour ever had an Olympian MP?

    Not only an Olympian, but a medallIst and a Nobel Prize winner too. Quite the double.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Noel-Baker
    That's a pretty impressive double. Has anyone else manages it?
    He is quite The Dude

    I am fascinated by people who excel outrageously in entirely diverse human endeavours

    Samuel Beckett, famously a Nobel Prize for Literature AND he's in Wisden

    Sir John Vanbrugh, a great architect AND a fine playwright? How?

    Churchill: journalist, cavalryman, painter, bricklayer, historian, orator, and won World War 2 (with a bit of help)

    Michelangelo was just obscenely talented. A world class, top 10 painter. But also a world class top 10 sculptor?! But wait, also a world class top 10 architect???

    And - many don't realise - also a notable poet

    But my favourite is possibly Gabrielle d'Annunzio. Excellent poet. Sometimes brilliant journalist. Deeply clever and quite successful politician. Fine and brave airman. Military innovator. Pioneering bomber. Genius womanizer. Radical autocrat of anarchist city state. WTAF

    Hard to beat
    More recently:

    Kim Wilde: pop star and horticulturalist

    Parry Gripp: pop star and horticulturalist

    Alan Titchmarsh: romantic author and horticulturalist

    Monty Don: fashion jeweller and horticulturalist


    And thus it was, that the humble millions trembled before the name

    TITCHMARSH
    I once overtook Titchmarsh on the M5 in Somerset. He was driving a Rolls Royce with the registration G4DNR, which kind of forced you to peer in see who it was. He seemed - though it must happen dozens of times a journey - highly satisfied to have been clocked and gave us a smile and a languid wave.
    Very smooth operator, Alan Titchmarsh. Doesn't have the edge of Monty Don but not everyone wants that in a gardening presenter.
    He is v good on Classic Fm..
    Yes. He's made for that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,090

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    OT Conservatives had Seb Coe and Chris Chataway; LibDems Sir Ming Campbell; has Labour ever had an Olympian MP?

    Not only an Olympian, but a medallIst and a Nobel Prize winner too. Quite the double.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Noel-Baker
    That's a pretty impressive double. Has anyone else manages it?
    He is quite The Dude

    I am fascinated by people who excel outrageously in entirely diverse human endeavours

    Samuel Beckett, famously a Nobel Prize for Literature AND he's in Wisden

    Sir John Vanbrugh, a great architect AND a fine playwright? How?

    Churchill: journalist, cavalryman, painter, bricklayer, historian, orator, and won World War 2 (with a bit of help)

    Michelangelo was just obscenely talented. A world class, top 10 painter. But also a world class top 10 sculptor?! But wait, also a world class top 10 architect???

    And - many don't realise - also a notable poet

    But my favourite is possibly Gabrielle d'Annunzio. Excellent poet. Sometimes brilliant journalist. Deeply clever and quite successful politician. Fine and brave airman. Military innovator. Pioneering bomber. Genius womanizer. Radical autocrat of anarchist city state. WTAF

    Hard to beat
    More recently:

    Kim Wilde: pop star and horticulturalist

    Parry Gripp: pop star and horticulturalist

    Alan Titchmarsh: romantic author and horticulturalist

    Monty Don: fashion jeweller and horticulturalist


    And thus it was, that the humble millions trembled before the name

    TITCHMARSH
    I once overtook Titchmarsh on the M5 in Somerset. He was driving a Rolls Royce with the registration G4DNR, which kind of forced you to peer in see who it was. He seemed - though it must happen dozens of times a journey - highly satisfied to have been clocked and gave us a smile and a languid wave.
    Very smooth operator, Alan Titchmarsh. Doesn't have the edge of Monty Don but not everyone wants that in a gardening presenter.
    In the dim & distant past I worked for a telecom company that specialised in premium rate phone lines for all sorts of weird and wonderful services, including Mr Titchmarsh and his green fingers. He was excessively interested in his call volumes and his resultant revenue share, offputtingly so I thought at the time.
    Not too surprised by that. Quite a lot of vanity in the mix, is my sense of him.
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