I don't know how much he is just BSing, but flare guy claims he got into the semi final as well without a ticket. Bent stewards and the forcing way through the turnstiles.
Sounds like Wembley need some serious look at their security.
Only problem with this is assuming that most LDs would prefer Labour over the Conservatives.
But when the LDs crashed from 24% to 8% in 2015 we were told by almost everyone that this was because most of the left-leaning LD supporters had decided to stop supporting the party in protest at the Con/LD coalition from 2010 to 2015. If that's true, most of the LD's remaining support today must be a lot less likely to prefer Lab over Con. Many of them may prefer neither, and in a ranking system would not preference either main party, (unless forced to do so as in Australia).
I don't know how much he is just BSing, but flare guy claims he got into the semi final as well without a ticket. Bent stewards and the forcing way through the turnstiles.
Sounds like Wembley need some serious look at their security.
tbf if a man with a flare in his but tries forcing through do you plan to stop him?
Labour should worry but it is hard to quantify because you sum together things which cannot meaningfully be added, most obviously SNP & Plaid Cymru. But that is a criticism of the way polls are always reported.
What we had during election 19 was Brexit total versus remain total. And as a great indicator the Conservatives/Brexit were ahead. Rather than your interesting calculation worry Labour, if during next GE the Conservatives Brexit coalition is smaller, the worry for them is the anti government vote transferring. Team Corbyn and their red print plans may have suppressed a lot of vote transfer last time.
I don't know how much he is just BSing, but flare guy claims he got into the semi final as well without a ticket. Bent stewards and the forcing way through the turnstiles.
Sounds like Wembley need some serious look at their security.
First, Mail Online is getting harder and harder to read because of the number of pop-up adverts and videos that load slowly and block the text.
Second, flare guy says he paid £100 to get in without a ticket, so it's not cheap to get in free.
Third, one suspects he did not provide proof of a negative Covid test.
I don't know how much he is just BSing, but flare guy claims he got into the semi final as well without a ticket. Bent stewards and the forcing way through the turnstiles.
Sounds like Wembley need some serious look at their security.
tbf if a man with a flare in his but tries forcing through do you plan to stop him?
Interesting tax story on the front page of the Telegraph
trying to work out how to replace fuel duty is proving as awkward as it always has.
I don't understand why not just replace it by putting a small[ish] charge on electricity.
I think from memory I worked out once that 0.5p per kWh would cover all of fuel duty and then some - and that's before considering that the amount of kWh consumed is going to jump up dramatically in the next few decades as we switch to electric cars, electric heating etc
Because not all of us have cars, why the hell should I who gave up a car pay more to make up for fuel duty by people who didnt give up their car. Why wfh and therefore helping by not commuting should I be penalised tax wise for doing my bit having to pay more for the electric used for me to work from home. No just fuck off with your extra taxes on people who arent the problem to make up for taxes lost from people who are the problem
How are drivers "the problem" just because you can't exploit us for taxes anymore?
Drivers are ripped off as it stands and drivers are carrying much more than their share of the burden in taxes in the name of "greenery", well sorry but we're reaching the end of the road for that. Why should drivers continue to be exploited by the taxman so you can sit at home and get the benefits of our taxes for money that is not hypothecated to go back to the roads?
If we spent £40bn per annum on the roads this country would have much better roads to drive upon.
Cars don't just cost for roads though as you very well know, the pollution and lowered air quality they cause has a knock on effect on health costs. I would be surprised if car owners paid even half of what they cost the country. Yet you want people like me that did the right thing and dont have a car or use public transport to pay more so you dont have to. Fuck off you so called libertarian as you show your socialist credentials
Socialist because I don't want to be overly taxed for driving?
What pollution and air quality are electric vehicles that do not have any emissions responsible for?
You are just a socialist wanting to tax people you think you can exploit for the money. There's no ethical or externality reason to tax electric vehicles in the future. The golden goose you've been exploiting is going away.
Socialist because you want me to be taxed for your driving even though I dont anymore
Nope.
My driving is a money earner for the Treasury, not a money drain. Happy to pay the cost of my driving, not happy to pay tens of billions more which is what the Treasury currently exploits drivers for.
Big deal so is a lot of things people do, smokers for example contribute about twice as much tax as they cost. The governement which remember you support has decided the right to drive is going to cost drivers x billion. Shut up an either pay it or stop driving that after all is the free market solution
Are you high?
The free market solution is to abolish the market interference and let people decide what they want to do with their own free choice - it is not to build your system based upon a starting point of wanting to generate tens of billions in taxes to provide for unrelated services and then work from there.
That is socialism and it is what you are unadulteratedly supporting. At least have the self-respect to own your own socialism. I'm happy to pay at market rates the cost of my driving.
You support the conservative governement I dont think that is in any doubt. They havent changed the amount of tax raised from motorists therefore you support that. Not my socialism. You are now however saying you should be charged less for driving and I should be charged more for not driving. That is socialising your costs. Show me figures including health costs, road degradation and lost time due to congestion that is less than the tax you pay. Then agree all the other things people pay more tax like as I said smoking should be reduced to only cost....oh you probably cant do the showing figures and don't want to do the second because you would be shouting about them socialising their costs.
I support this government as the least worst option.
I disagree with them on many issues. The extortionate amount of road taxes is just another to throw on the list - I agree with them though on having stopped escalating those taxes for the past 11 years at least.
I am not saying I should be charged less for driving and you more for not driving, I am saying that the Treasury should plug its black holes for issues that have nothing to do with driving by taxing everyone.
Road degredation is already budgetted for that's part of road maintenance which is ~£10bn per annum. I'm happy for drivers to pay for that, then drivers are shouldering their own burdens.
The rest though? That's nothing to do with driving.
PS smokers actually cost the health service more than the Treasury raises in smoking duties. You're right that perversely smokers are good for the Treasury but that's not due to taxes, that's because of the fact that smokers die younger saving the Treasury money in pensions and other old-age costs it no longer needs to pay. But that's not a tax, if people die younger they die and the state doesn't give a refund for dying young.
Talking bollocks as usual. It is accepted even by the health service that smokers pay almost twice as much tax as they cost the health service. Stop making shit up
No I disputed it by nice saying treating it cost 3.6 billion and the cost of house fires and cleaning butts up was 1 billion. Against a revenue of 9.96 billion almost double as I said. 4 times comes in if you count in reductions in pensions and social care. It did say that in the link but I guess you failed to learn to read.
If I suggested smokers taxes were reduced to actual costs and peoples taxes should be raised to cover costs you would be arguing no its their choice to smoke which is totally correct
You are arguing however motorists taxes should be reduced to cost and the rest of us should be taxed to make up for it.
Personally I say both are personal choice and both can fuck off. You don't need to smoke. You don't need to drive.
I'm not arguing motorist taxes should be reduced. Keep fuel duty and vehicle excise duty for high emission vehicles going indefinitely if you want. The issue you face though is that those taxes will raise no revenues in the future since people are quitting using fuel and quitting emissions vehicles and going for zero rated ones instead.
What you're proposing is that drivers should keep paying fuel duty even if they become ex fuel users.
That's like saying that even if smokers become ex smokers they should keep paying cigarette taxes.
I don't know how much he is just BSing, but flare guy claims he got into the semi final as well without a ticket. Bent stewards and the forcing way through the turnstiles.
Sounds like Wembley need some serious look at their security.
First, Mail Online is getting harder and harder to read because of the number of pop-up adverts and videos that load slowly and block the text.
Second, flare guy says he paid £100 to get in without a ticket, so it's not cheap to get in free.
Third, one suspects he did not provide proof of a negative Covid test.
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Actually, according to the Currant Bun, it was £250...£100 to bribe the steward, £150 to piggy back off a genuine ticket. Plus this 20 pints and all the cheap coke....quite an expensive day out.
In the Sun article, flare yobbo is wearing a t-shirt brand that go for £200 a pop....no idea if it fake or not, but reminds me of Hackett brand getting trashed by yobs wearing the knock off shirts.
Interesting tax story on the front page of the Telegraph
trying to work out how to replace fuel duty is proving as awkward as it always has.
I don't understand why not just replace it by putting a small[ish] charge on electricity.
I think from memory I worked out once that 0.5p per kWh would cover all of fuel duty and then some - and that's before considering that the amount of kWh consumed is going to jump up dramatically in the next few decades as we switch to electric cars, electric heating etc
Because not all of us have cars, why the hell should I who gave up a car pay more to make up for fuel duty by people who didnt give up their car. Why wfh and therefore helping by not commuting should I be penalised tax wise for doing my bit having to pay more for the electric used for me to work from home. No just fuck off with your extra taxes on people who arent the problem to make up for taxes lost from people who are the problem
I don't have a car either. Seconded.
It s very possible that your increased occupancy of your house will generate as much emissions as have been saved by not having your car . Seriously.
Run the numbers and let us know.
The fairest way is probably a carbon tax on everything, linked to emissions - as that would also incentivise clean investment.
Short of that, an increase in energy cost.
Or abolishing tax breaks on houses.
Anyway, pedestrians and people with bikes also use roads. As do all the deliveries you now have as you do not use a car.
Social Media is filled full of scenes that could be straight out of the Purge movie. There was a clip I saw of a traffic jam on the highway over 1km long of cars all parked up just to empty the warehouses.
Apparently food such as milk and bread supplies will be effected for the foreseeable future in the areas badly hit because of the scale of the destruction.
Big brand employers like LG and Samsung facilities total destroyed. How many 1000s of jobs will have gone.
Then you have the racial elements. Apparently the asians and whites have been forming protection vigilantes to protect their property and plenty of scenes on social media meeting out incredible violence on anybody they catch.
Only problem with this is assuming that most LDs would prefer Labour over the Conservatives.
But when the LDs crashed from 24% to 8% in 2015 we were told by almost everyone that this was because most of the left-leaning LD supporters had decided to stop supporting the party in protest at the Con/LD coalition from 2010 to 2015. If that's true, most of the LD's remaining support today must be a lot less likely to prefer Lab over Con. Many of them may prefer neither, and in a ranking system would not preference either main party, (unless forced to do so as in Australia).
Left Liberal LDs are still around afaics. And Left Liberal is not 'progressive' - except in their own tropes .
Nor is Labour, mainly. TU Baron Len? Give me a break.
Social Media is filled full of scenes that could be straight out of the Purge movie. There was a clip I saw of a traffic jam on the highway over 1km long of cars all parked up just to empty the warehouses.
Apparently food such as milk and bread supplies will be effected for the foreseeable future in the areas badly hit because of the scale of the destruction.
Big brand employers like LG and Samsung facilities total destroyed. How many 1000s of jobs will have gone.
Then you have the racial elements. Apparently the asians and whites have been forming protection vigilantes to protect their property and plenty of scenes on social media meeting out incredible violence on anybody they catch.
They’ve just called up all members of the army reserve.
Social Media is filled full of scenes that could be straight out of the Purge movie. There was a clip I saw of a traffic jam on the highway over 1km long of cars all parked up just to empty the warehouses.
Apparently food such as milk and bread supplies will be effected for the foreseeable future in the areas badly hit because of the scale of the destruction.
Big brand employers like LG and Samsung facilities total destroyed. How many 1000s of jobs will have gone.
Then you have the racial elements. Apparently the asians and whites have been forming protection vigilantes to protect their property and plenty of scenes on social media meeting out incredible violence on anybody they catch.
They’ve just called up all members of the army reserve.
The videos are mind-numbing. Vigilantes shooting people on sight, and burning down entire burbs. Meanwhile the looting extends for miles
Social Media is filled full of scenes that could be straight out of the Purge movie. There was a clip I saw of a traffic jam on the highway over 1km long of cars all parked up just to empty the warehouses.
Apparently food such as milk and bread supplies will be effected for the foreseeable future in the areas badly hit because of the scale of the destruction.
Big brand employers like LG and Samsung facilities total destroyed. How many 1000s of jobs will have gone.
Then you have the racial elements. Apparently the asians and whites have been forming protection vigilantes to protect their property and plenty of scenes on social media meeting out incredible violence on anybody they catch.
They’ve just called up all members of the army reserve.
The videos are mind-numbing. Vigilantes shooting people on sight, and burning down entire burbs. Meanwhile the looting extends for miles
Pretty much anarchy
Not pretty much...total anarchy.....and of course plenty of videos of the police themselves involved in the looting.
And yet it is only getting passing coverage in the UK. Not on the front page of the BBC News, instead important stories like music streaming, Britney Spears conservatorship case and Bolsonaro having hiccups.
Social Media is filled full of scenes that could be straight out of the Purge movie. There was a clip I saw of a traffic jam on the highway over 1km long of cars all parked up just to empty the warehouses.
Apparently food such as milk and bread supplies will be effected for the foreseeable future in the areas badly hit because of the scale of the destruction.
Big brand employers like LG and Samsung facilities total destroyed. How many 1000s of jobs will have gone.
Then you have the racial elements. Apparently the asians and whites have been forming protection vigilantes to protect their property and plenty of scenes on social media meeting out incredible violence on anybody they catch.
They’ve just called up all members of the army reserve.
Missing the point but... Now the press release has "gone viral" the good Colonel will need a new phone number.
Plans for a “mission critical” electric car battery plant in Coventry have accelerated in a drive to keep automotive production at the heart of the West Midlands region.
Coventry city council has put forward a blueprint for a 5.7m square feet “gigafactory”, which could create up to 6,000 new jobs, in partnership with Coventry airport where the plant would be located.
Tennessee is dropping vaccination of schoolchildren. That sounds more British than French, since we are not jabbing young people either.
This isn't Covid - this is all vaccinations:
Tennessee Department of Health halts all vaccine outreach to kids – not just for COVID-19, but all diseases – amid pressure from GOP. Staff ordered to remove the agency logo from any documents providing vaccine info to the public, per internal dox.
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
The terrible irony here is that the South African judiciary is attempting to exert itself and act as a brake on corruption. No longer, they are saying, can Leaders loot.
Zuma is attempting to force the judiciary to back down, and therefore to relegate South Africa to being another African country you wouldn't want to do business in.
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
The videos strongly suggest an outright race-war, in the making. Ghastly and tragic, on all sides
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
The terrible irony here is that the South African judiciary is attempting to exert itself and act as a brake on corruption. No longer, they are saying, can Leaders loot.
Zuma is attempting to force the judiciary to back down, and therefore to relegate South Africa to being another African country you wouldn't want to do business in.
I read 7% of all employment in south africa is now private security.....thats a huge cost of doing business.
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
So much for their role to inform and educate.....
People aren't interested in being informed and educated, they are interested in having their prejudices reinforced.
Tennessee is dropping vaccination of schoolchildren. That sounds more British than French, since we are not jabbing young people either.
This isn't Covid - this is all vaccinations:
Tennessee Department of Health halts all vaccine outreach to kids – not just for COVID-19, but all diseases – amid pressure from GOP. Staff ordered to remove the agency logo from any documents providing vaccine info to the public, per internal dox.
One of the facts of life as far as the British mainstream media is concerned is that they simply won't report on bad news from South Africa in a way that is in any sort of proportion to the events taking place. Things have to get really bad for them to allocate time for a relatively short report from the country. Maybe it's because they had such high hopes for the country when it became fully democratic in 1994, as did most people.
It's because the people in charge invested a certain amount of energy in their youth in dorkish cost free gesture politics voting for the JCR to disinvest in Barclays and not buy South African wine, and they don't now want to spoil the narrative that their struggle created a rainbow paradise. Job done, move on to Palestine, lads.
NEW: Number of Americans hospitalized with COVID-19 tops 21,000, highest since June 3
Los Angeles County reports 1,315 new coronavirus cases, up 155% from last week and the biggest one-day increase since March 11
Covid cases are rising everywhere. Delta variant. They just started rising here a bit earlier than the rest of the industrialised world because Johnson let it in first. Or we have the strongest familial connections to India. Delete according to your political preference.
Starmer may be right that taking the knee is fully supported on his side of the political divide, 78% of Labour voters back it. Personally I believe it is a matter of personal choice.
Do those Conservatives who do not support taking the knee also support BOOING those taking the knee? I very much doubt most do.
That's the big danger for Johnson. In pandering to the base (an activity of which I know you are a huge fan) he's allowed himself to be cast in a bad light even for those in his base. This issue could have been closed down pre-tournament, but Patel's comments weren't corrected, and headbanger Tory MPs weren't disciplined.
I'd also note that 38% is a heck of a lot of Tories. Not saying at all that this issue will do it on its own, but Major only needed to lose around a quarter of voters in his 1992 triumph to go down in flames in 1997. Indeed, it's that 38% that Conservatives need to pander to most of all as they are the ones most likely to shop elsewhere for their political leaders.
This is what Cameron understood with his "hug a hoody" and "hug a huskie" messaging, the 0.7% of GDP stuff etc. None of that was about the base - the Tory base varies from agnostic to hostile on such things. It's about the Blair voters and soggy centre.
Good post. The base aren't going anywhere else, now post-Brexit.
They need to worry about me. An ex-Cons voter now thoroughly disaffected by the make up of the Party and is looking around to see what's on offer. So far SKS ain't it but I thought he had a good PMQs today and there will be some for whom a sustained good run by him will do much to sway their vote.
Did you vote Tory in 2019? If not then no, we don't need to worry about you
Yes me old mucker, I voted Tory in 2019.
Now, how can you help me...
I think you're a little bit like JackW, actually.
You're a core and loyal Conservative - you always vote that way, and even campaign that way at times - but adopt a more critical persona on here because you like to test your own thinking and challenge others too.
I understand that.
Main thing I recall about "JackW" is a complete inability to spot Trumpian bullshit. Bit of a 'nicebutdim' character.
Very much not. He got POTUS 2016 wrong (not the only one) but did call 2015 better than the PB consensus.
@JACK_W is a very astute pundit, but no-one gets everything right. Well except @SeanT, who flips opinions so frequently that he can cite predicting everything, provided he is selective.
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Sounds like Wembley need some serious look at their security.
But when the LDs crashed from 24% to 8% in 2015 we were told by almost everyone that this was because most of the left-leaning LD supporters had decided to stop supporting the party in protest at the Con/LD coalition from 2010 to 2015. If that's true, most of the LD's remaining support today must be a lot less likely to prefer Lab over Con. Many of them may prefer neither, and in a ranking system would not preference either main party, (unless forced to do so as in Australia).
An astonishing, devastating video
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CRUNfjGpKce/
Second, flare guy says he paid £100 to get in without a ticket, so it's not cheap to get in free.
Third, one suspects he did not provide proof of a negative Covid test.
What you're proposing is that drivers should keep paying fuel duty even if they become ex fuel users.
That's like saying that even if smokers become ex smokers they should keep paying cigarette taxes.
Actually, according to the Currant Bun, it was £250...£100 to bribe the steward, £150 to piggy back off a genuine ticket. Plus this 20 pints and all the cheap coke....quite an expensive day out.
The rioting promoted by Zuma is not due to Covid.
That's like pinning rioting in DC last year on Covid rather than Trump or Police Violence or BLM or whatever else you choose to blame.
Run the numbers and let us know.
The fairest way is probably a carbon tax on everything, linked to emissions - as that would also incentivise clean investment.
Short of that, an increase in energy cost.
Or abolishing tax breaks on houses.
Anyway, pedestrians and people with bikes also use roads. As do all the deliveries you now have as you do not use a car.
Apparently food such as milk and bread supplies will be effected for the foreseeable future in the areas badly hit because of the scale of the destruction.
Big brand employers like LG and Samsung facilities total destroyed. How many 1000s of jobs will have gone.
Then you have the racial elements. Apparently the asians and whites have been forming protection vigilantes to protect their property and plenty of scenes on social media meeting out incredible violence on anybody they catch.
Nor is Labour, mainly. TU Baron Len? Give me a break.
NEW: Number of Americans hospitalized with COVID-19 tops 21,000, highest since June 3
Los Angeles County reports 1,315 new coronavirus cases, up 155% from last week and the biggest one-day increase since March 11
Pretty much anarchy
And yet it is only getting passing coverage in the UK. Not on the front page of the BBC News, instead important stories like music streaming, Britney Spears conservatorship case and Bolsonaro having hiccups.
And also basically no coverage of Cuba.
https://twitter.com/BrettKelman/status/1415023788777934850
Coventry city council has put forward a blueprint for a 5.7m square feet “gigafactory”, which could create up to 6,000 new jobs, in partnership with Coventry airport where the plant would be located.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/15/coventry-puts-forward-mission-critical-plan-for-electric-car-battery-plant
Tennessee Department of Health halts all vaccine outreach to kids – not just for COVID-19, but all diseases – amid pressure from GOP. Staff ordered to remove the agency logo from any documents providing vaccine info to the public, per internal dox.
Zuma is attempting to force the judiciary to back down, and therefore to relegate South Africa to being another African country you wouldn't want to do business in.
God speed her
https://twitter.com/buhlejafta_/status/1415358089402933249?s=21
You're alright Jack - 🙂