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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    There was a time England used to refuse penalties when the ref thought they should have one. Didn't Fowler do it once? I support England but sad to see both the front two renowned deservedly for being divers . No chance of wining any fair play awards these days .

    What decade was that? Players shouldn't dive, but it's the job of the officials, who can even now have their decisions checked, to make the calls, not the players.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,111

    malcolmg said:

    England deserved it, just, but well played Denmark

    Yes close game, own goal and and a dive penalty is not a satisfying win but they were just the better team overall.
    The Danish goal should have been disallowed.

    Their players moved within a metre of England's wall, so the referee screwed that up.
    Plus it was never a foul. But hey, these things happen and the best team won as @malcolmg said.
    It was a foul. It was stupid and unnecessary. And (unfortunately) a foul.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,633
    Good to see this side prove the naysayers wrong.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    A win, but not a very satisfying one.

    Just rejoice in that news, Ian. The FINAL. It doesn't happen.
    Credit to you @kinabalu

    You were right. Southgate took us to the final.

    However I reckon he might now go the whole way. The biggest hoodoo has been lifted
    Please god!!!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Cookie said:

    RobD said:

    Cookie said:

    ITV.

    ITV ITV ITV.

    ITV.

    Has the curse been lifted?
    Ha ha - not yet!

    To be honest, dig into the data and the curse of ITV is more apparent if you only look at regular time. I think England have squeaked through extra time/penalties a couple of times on ITV.

    It's actually more qualitative. Even when England win on ITV, it's never comfortable. It's just squeaking through against Trinidad and Tobago.

    Objectively, I know there can be no reason for this.
    And yet.
    Maybe the Aliens have got it in for ITV?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    Cookie said:

    What idiot would watch the final on ITV?

    I actually think ITV's coverage shades it over BBC's nowadays. BBC a bit complacent, smug. I like Mark Pougatch, though he has an air of desperation when he introduces England - he is as aware of the curse as anyone else. Commentators are inane but probably no more so than on the BBC.
    It’s a shame that the BBC made Mowbray number one. Wilson was brilliant last night on Italy v Spain. Both him and Mowbray are very good, but Wilson is just so much more upbeat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    CBE for Southgate if they win? Gotta save the knighthood for a world cup win.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,771
    kle4 said:

    There was a time England used to refuse penalties when the ref thought they should have one. Didn't Fowler do it once? I support England but sad to see both the front two renowned deservedly for being divers . No chance of wining any fair play awards these days .

    What decade was that? Players shouldn't dive, but it's the job of the officials, who can even now have their decisions checked, to make the calls, not the players.
    Burglars shouldn't burgle, but it's the job of the police, not the burglars, to make the call.
    Not sure this argument holds up.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    rcs1000 said:

    For once England got the rub of the green in a big match. Better team and deserved to win, but Denmark tactics matched up well against England and Kasper was fantastic in goal for the Danes.

    Casper was absolutely superb.
    Great save from sterling, but he should have done better.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    I reckon England win the whole thing now, but the final will be tense.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    I reckon England win the whole thing now, but the final will be tense.

    Not a game I expect to watch sober :smiley:
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,633
    SPOTY betting?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    kle4 said:

    There was a time England used to refuse penalties when the ref thought they should have one. Didn't Fowler do it once? I support England but sad to see both the front two renowned deservedly for being divers . No chance of wining any fair play awards these days .

    What decade was that? Players shouldn't dive, but it's the job of the officials, who can even now have their decisions checked, to make the calls, not the players.
    well call me old fashioned but whilst that is correct , the players should not actively cheat . Look at all the bile from English fans Steve Smith got for cheating in cricket . Its hard to think highly of England tonight tbh
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    The breaking news update on the BBC said for the first time in 55 years the England men's team are into the final of a major tournament - are the women's team better? I tend to assume the USA team probably win it every time.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    I reckon England win the whole thing now, but the final will be tense.

    No reason they can’t. Both teams are decent, despite the knockers.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited July 2021
    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    valleyboy said:

    Game too far for the Danes, like Wales in 2016.
    Italy have far too much street cred for this decent, but limited, English side.

    Limited?

    We've reached the SF of the last world cup and the final of the Euros in the space of three years.

    You have a strange definition of limited.
    Yes, this is really not a "limited" English team. I've spent decades watching limited England teams. I am old enough to remember watching Bob Latchford

    THAT is a limited English team

    This squad oozes talent. They have won the U-21 and U-17 World Cups in recent years, for good reason. The Premier League is finally repaying the nation. These are tremendous footballers. Arguably, the cautious Southgate has not got anything like the best from them. But maybe he's a better coach than me and realises that first he has to give them confidence they can do it - he is doing that

    If we don't win this we will be in there for the World Cup, for sure
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,282
    I may be getting ahead of myself, but I worry for Skinner and Baddiel having to make Henri Delauney scan in the song rewrite.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    murali_s said:

    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.

    You just had to be a dick head at the end ....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    I don't think it was a penalty.
    But it wasn't a dive either.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,633
    The seeds of this were sown years ago by Greg Dyke.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23963416
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited July 2021
    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    There was a time England used to refuse penalties when the ref thought they should have one. Didn't Fowler do it once? I support England but sad to see both the front two renowned deservedly for being divers . No chance of wining any fair play awards these days .

    What decade was that? Players shouldn't dive, but it's the job of the officials, who can even now have their decisions checked, to make the calls, not the players.
    Burglars shouldn't burgle, but it's the job of the police, not the burglars, to make the call.
    Not sure this argument holds up.
    I'm a fan of stretching analogies, but the difference is one is a game where the officials are constantly monitoring all the participants, with the aid of video cameras following every single second from around 10 different angles as well, with their sole purpose being to instantly catch any cheaters or rule breakers - if the police had that level of monitoring of every citizen (but don't give them the idea) and nothing else to do then it would be on their shoulders if they somehow missed a crime.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,611
    Regarding the final.

    Pros for England.

    At home and decent.

    Cons

    Italy are more streetwise than England.

    Chiellini and Bonucci would rather kill their grannies than a concede a goal.

    Choice of referee will be important.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962
    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.

    You just had to be a dick head at the end ....
    Maybe he is Gary Neville?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    edited July 2021
    Cookie said:

    What idiot would watch the final on ITV?

    I actually think ITV's coverage shades it over BBC's nowadays. BBC a bit complacent, smug. I like Mark Pougatch, though he has an air of desperation when he introduces England - he is as aware of the curse as anyone else. Commentators are inane but probably no more so than on the BBC.
    The ITV coverage is good for having the ref on to explain the refereeing decisions, and I've not heard better explanations of tactical changes and the balance of the game than from Emma Hayes. But in general I find their commentators much more annoying, though the standard these days seems to be a lot lower than it was some years ago. Though the commentator tonight did have us in stitches with laughter before half-time when he said "A goal now for England would be... ... .. good."

    The BBC coverage doesn't have the ads, so you can see the assumed formations for the starting elevens before kick-off.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited July 2021
    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.

    You just had to be a dick head at the end ....
    On cue, a pea brain right-wing thicko turns up! Sighs....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    kle4 said:

    There was a time England used to refuse penalties when the ref thought they should have one. Didn't Fowler do it once? I support England but sad to see both the front two renowned deservedly for being divers . No chance of wining any fair play awards these days .

    What decade was that? Players shouldn't dive, but it's the job of the officials, who can even now have their decisions checked, to make the calls, not the players.
    well call me old fashioned but whilst that is correct , the players should not actively cheat . Look at all the bile from English fans Steve Smith got for cheating in cricket . Its hard to think highly of England tonight tbh
    Pretty sure I said players shouldn't dive as well. I wish officials did a much better job at calling out divers for teams I support (Liverpool are pretty bad for diving), as while some calls are 50/50, most are not but officials seem scared of calling people cheats.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Well the bunting on the front of the house is staying up until Sunday now. I love Gareth Southgate and I love this England team.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    murali_s said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.

    You just had to be a dick head at the end ....
    On cue, a pea brain right-wing thicko turns up! Sighs....
    LOL - you really are an arse

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    kle4 said:

    The breaking news update on the BBC said for the first time in 55 years the England men's team are into the final of a major tournament - are the women's team better? I tend to assume the USA team probably win it every time.

    USA always struggle to progress far in the Womens European Championship for some reason ;-)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397

    Cookie said:

    What idiot would watch the final on ITV?

    I actually think ITV's coverage shades it over BBC's nowadays. BBC a bit complacent, smug. I like Mark Pougatch, though he has an air of desperation when he introduces England - he is as aware of the curse as anyone else. Commentators are inane but probably no more so than on the BBC.
    The ITV coverage is good for having the ref on to explain the refereeing decisions, and I've not heard better explanations of tactical changes and the balance of the game than from Emma Hayes. But in general I find their commentators much more annoying, though the standard these days seems to be a lot lower than it was some years ago. Though the commentator tonight did have us in stitches with laughter before half-time when he said "A goal now for England would be... ... .. good."

    The BBC coverage doesn't have the ads, so you can see the assumed formations for the starting elevens before kick-off.
    I believe he said "fingered by Jordan Pickford" at one point.
    Just no.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    sorry it was Fowler refusing the penalty given to him but he was playing at the time for Liverpool not England. anyway doubt you woudl see it today. More the pity .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUrcX6kpkU0
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    murali_s said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.

    You just had to be a dick head at the end ....
    On cue, a pea brain right-wing thicko turns up! Sighs....
    You're not seriously objecting to a counter insult to your insult? That'd be like Dura Ace asking people to tone down their language as he's a delicate flower.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,633
    Will Italy win the ultimate double, the Eurovision and the Euros? Nil points.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    That last 3 or 4 minutes where England kept posession and killed the game was totally-unEnglandlike. Superb!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    rcs1000 said:

    For once England got the rub of the green in a big match. Better team and deserved to win, but Denmark tactics matched up well against England and Kasper was fantastic in goal for the Danes.

    Casper was absolutely superb.
    Blooded on the muddy fields of the SPL.
    Was hoping for a last minute set piece with Kasper up to head an equaliser.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    What idiot would watch the final on ITV?

    I actually think ITV's coverage shades it over BBC's nowadays. BBC a bit complacent, smug. I like Mark Pougatch, though he has an air of desperation when he introduces England - he is as aware of the curse as anyone else. Commentators are inane but probably no more so than on the BBC.
    The ITV coverage is good for having the ref on to explain the refereeing decisions, and I've not heard better explanations of tactical changes and the balance of the game than from Emma Hayes. But in general I find their commentators much more annoying, though the standard these days seems to be a lot lower than it was some years ago. Though the commentator tonight did have us in stitches with laughter before half-time when he said "A goal now for England would be... ... .. good."

    The BBC coverage doesn't have the ads, so you can see the assumed formations for the starting elevens before kick-off.
    I believe he said "fingered by Jordan Pickford" at one point.
    Just no.
    Fingered you say?

    https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1412878170773082113

    Huddersfield forward Kenny Edwards has been banned for 10 matches for putting his finger up the bottom of an opponent.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited July 2021

    kle4 said:

    The breaking news update on the BBC said for the first time in 55 years the England men's team are into the final of a major tournament - are the women's team better? I tend to assume the USA team probably win it every time.

    USA always struggle to progress far in the Womens European Championship for some reason ;-)
    I don't regard the European Championships as a major tournament.

    Well, not until tonight anyway.
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  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,983

    That 5 minutes of keep-ball from England to run down the clock was something I've never seen an England team do, and didn't think they could do. Strangely, that impressed me more than the attacking flair.

    Absolutely. To the point the crowd were singing ole. That’s what you want to see from a team a goal up.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    The absolute state of the PB Jelly Bellies after the Danes scored. 😂

    Magnificent stuff from England.

    Come.

    On.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Floater said:

    murali_s said:

    Well played England!

    I am so happy for Gareth Southgate - the man is a legend and a LEADER.

    Gary Neville said it as it is. The pea brained right-wing thickos that live on this blog will throw their arms up but he said the truth.

    You just had to be a dick head at the end ....
    On cue, a pea brain right-wing thicko turns up! Sighs....
    You're not seriously objecting to a counter insult to your insult? That'd be like Dura Ace asking people to tone down their language as he's a delicate flower.
    His posts constantly show him up for the type of person he is

  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,771
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
    It was painful, laboured. England were the better team but you come out of it thinking they won because of outside forces, which is never a nice feeling in sport.

    But I'm please to see people so pleased. I'm pleased my friends and family are pleased, I'm pleased the English on here are pleased, I'm glad to see Wembley full of happy people.

    But I just can't connect emotionally with it any more. Maybe it is the knee thing.Its certainly annoying to have each England victory now presented by lefties as a victory for their brand of politics. It's quite difficult to get behind a team who get so close to supporting BLM. But, you know, maybe if it hadn't been the knee it would have been something else. This last year has robbed me of my ability to find pleasure in a lot of things that I used to.

    But I'm not going to go supporting England's opponents over it. I'll still take an interest, and I'll still be happy for those for whom seeing the ball hit the back of the net goes straight to the emotions without having to pass through the rational brain.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,282

    That 5 minutes of keep-ball from England to run down the clock was something I've never seen an England team do, and didn't think they could do. Strangely, that impressed me more than the attacking flair.

    Yes, for so many years England managers have tried to get the players able to play a patient game when needed and as soon as they try it they just wind up stuck in pedestrian and then pretty soon start giving the ball away and getting into trouble.

    Except against Scotland, where we did fall into that trap to a degree, we've had pretty good control over the pace of a game.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    According to wiki Southgate has the third highest win percentage of any England manager. And the top one doesn't count as it was Allardyce with 1 win from 1 game.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Roger said:


    Anyone worried that England might be overrated?

    Denmark have a player who plays for Brentford.

    The premier league club? That Brentford?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,111
    kle4 said:

    The breaking news update on the BBC said for the first time in 55 years the England men's team are into the final of a major tournament - are the women's team better? I tend to assume the USA team probably win it every time.

    I was in a bar when England played the USA in the womens World Cup a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, I was the only Brit in there.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Floater said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    What idiot would watch the final on ITV?

    I actually think ITV's coverage shades it over BBC's nowadays. BBC a bit complacent, smug. I like Mark Pougatch, though he has an air of desperation when he introduces England - he is as aware of the curse as anyone else. Commentators are inane but probably no more so than on the BBC.
    The ITV coverage is good for having the ref on to explain the refereeing decisions, and I've not heard better explanations of tactical changes and the balance of the game than from Emma Hayes. But in general I find their commentators much more annoying, though the standard these days seems to be a lot lower than it was some years ago. Though the commentator tonight did have us in stitches with laughter before half-time when he said "A goal now for England would be... ... .. good."

    The BBC coverage doesn't have the ads, so you can see the assumed formations for the starting elevens before kick-off.
    I believe he said "fingered by Jordan Pickford" at one point.
    Just no.
    Fingered you say?

    https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1412878170773082113

    Huddersfield forward Kenny Edwards has been banned for 10 matches for putting his finger up the bottom of an opponent.
    A move pioneered by John Hopoate.
    Kenny Edwards. One of the most skilful forwards in the game. Never lasts long at one club.
    For good reason.
    That's why he's at Huddersfield and not NRL where he ought to be.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    edited July 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    What idiot would watch the final on ITV?

    I actually think ITV's coverage shades it over BBC's nowadays. BBC a bit complacent, smug. I like Mark Pougatch, though he has an air of desperation when he introduces England - he is as aware of the curse as anyone else. Commentators are inane but probably no more so than on the BBC.
    The ITV coverage is good for having the ref on to explain the refereeing decisions, and I've not heard better explanations of tactical changes and the balance of the game than from Emma Hayes. But in general I find their commentators much more annoying, though the standard these days seems to be a lot lower than it was some years ago. Though the commentator tonight did have us in stitches with laughter before half-time when he said "A goal now for England would be... ... .. good."

    The BBC coverage doesn't have the ads, so you can see the assumed formations for the starting elevens before kick-off.
    I believe he said "fingered by Jordan Pickford" at one point.
    Just no.
    Yes, and there were two "misfields" too, which seemed a bit weird, where miskicked would be much better.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
    It was painful, laboured. England were the better team but you come out of it thinking they won because of outside forces, which is never a nice feeling in sport.

    But I'm please to see people so pleased. I'm pleased my friends and family are pleased, I'm pleased the English on here are pleased, I'm glad to see Wembley full of happy people.

    But I just can't connect emotionally with it any more. Maybe it is the knee thing.Its certainly annoying to have each England victory now presented by lefties as a victory for their brand of politics. It's quite difficult to get behind a team who get so close to supporting BLM. But, you know, maybe if it hadn't been the knee it would have been something else. This last year has robbed me of my ability to find pleasure in a lot of things that I used to.

    But I'm not going to go supporting England's opponents over it. I'll still take an interest, and I'll still be happy for those for whom seeing the ball hit the back of the net goes straight to the emotions without having to pass through the rational brain.
    It was a tight game between two good sides for the first 70 minutes before England utterly dominated for the last forty. We could have won it by a couple more was it not for the excellent Kaspar Schmeichel. We probed, we moved the ball around, we dribbled and we got a legitimate penalty. Righties whining about an anti-racism gesture is the same as lefties whining about poppy wearing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962
    edited July 2021
    Charles said:

    Roger said:


    Anyone worried that England might be overrated?

    Denmark have a player who plays for Brentford.

    The premier league club? That Brentford?
    And one of the most analytically advanced clubs in the world....known for football moneyball, identifying excellent talent otherwise missed by others...that Brentford.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
    It was painful, laboured. England were the better team but you come out of it thinking they won because of outside forces, which is never a nice feeling in sport.

    But I'm please to see people so pleased. I'm pleased my friends and family are pleased, I'm pleased the English on here are pleased, I'm glad to see Wembley full of happy people.

    But I just can't connect emotionally with it any more. Maybe it is the knee thing.Its certainly annoying to have each England victory now presented by lefties as a victory for their brand of politics. It's quite difficult to get behind a team who get so close to supporting BLM. But, you know, maybe if it hadn't been the knee it would have been something else. This last year has robbed me of my ability to find pleasure in a lot of things that I used to.

    But I'm not going to go supporting England's opponents over it. I'll still take an interest, and I'll still be happy for those for whom seeing the ball hit the back of the net goes straight to the emotions without having to pass through the rational brain.
    Much as I respect your opinion on this an£ other things, I don’t think I am watching the same game. We created oodles of chances, Sterling should have scored one on one, And generally we played with a growing maturity as the game wore on. The way we saw out the last few minutes was superb, and note not with fouls and fake injuries like the Italians. We may not win on Sunday, but I don’t care. Semi in the last World Cup, final now with a young exciting side. Glorious.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Cookie said:

    ITV: "The proof is in the pudding. And the pudding, in this case, is a football. Eat my goal!!"

    Did they really say that, or is that a Partridge quote?
    “They’ll be going home to their mermaid empty handed tonight.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
    It was painful, laboured. England were the better team but you come out of it thinking they won because of outside forces, which is never a nice feeling in sport.

    But I'm please to see people so pleased. I'm pleased my friends and family are pleased, I'm pleased the English on here are pleased, I'm glad to see Wembley full of happy people.

    But I just can't connect emotionally with it any more. Maybe it is the knee thing.Its certainly annoying to have each England victory now presented by lefties as a victory for their brand of politics. It's quite difficult to get behind a team who get so close to supporting BLM. But, you know, maybe if it hadn't been the knee it would have been something else. This last year has robbed me of my ability to find pleasure in a lot of things that I used to.

    But I'm not going to go supporting England's opponents over it. I'll still take an interest, and I'll still be happy for those for whom seeing the ball hit the back of the net goes straight to the emotions without having to pass through the rational brain.
    That's a shame. The knee thing annoys me too, and the politicisation of football (from both sides) is getting worse, however this is a properly admirable and talented England side, that deserves its place in the final, and my God I've waited all my adult life to feel this serenity: and I am damn well going to enjoy it

    I hope you can reconnect with your inner fan
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    TimS said:

    That 5 minutes of keep-ball from England to run down the clock was something I've never seen an England team do, and didn't think they could do. Strangely, that impressed me more than the attacking flair.

    Absolutely. To the point the crowd were singing ole.
    I thought that was not permitted after Brexit - international cultural standardisation and all that. They should have sung 'good show, chaps' instead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    When Kane missed that penalty

    OMFG
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,771
    Leon said:

    valleyboy said:

    Game too far for the Danes, like Wales in 2016.
    Italy have far too much street cred for this decent, but limited, English side.

    Limited?

    We've reached the SF of the last world cup and the final of the Euros in the space of three years.

    You have a strange definition of limited.
    Yes, this is really not a "limited" English team. I've spent decades watching limited England teams. I am old enough to remember watching Bob Latchford

    THAT is a limited English team

    This squad oozes talent. They have won the U-21 and U-17 World Cups in recent years, for good reason. The Premier League is finally repaying the nation. These are tremendous footballers. Arguably, the cautious Southgate has not got anything like the best from them. But maybe he's a better coach than me and realises that first he has to give them confidence they can do it - he is doing that

    If we don't win this we will be in there for the World Cup, for sure
    Yes, I'd say for the first time I can remember England are as talented as anyone else who started the tournament. At the last World Cup they made the semis but without really convincing that they deserved to be there. This year, to my surprise, they've been as good as anyone.
    They certainly didn;t cruise today; but no-one cruises every time.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    That 5 minutes of keep-ball from England to run down the clock was something I've never seen an England team do, and didn't think they could do. Strangely, that impressed me more than the attacking flair.

    Absolutely. To the point the crowd were singing ole.
    I thought that was not permitted after Brexit - international cultural standardisation and all that. They should have sung 'good show, chaps' instead.
    Indeed. And England should have just given the ball away after three passes - it's the British way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962
    The Boris health kick doesn't seem to be working....

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1412877389974093825?s=19
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,111
    Aslan said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
    It was painful, laboured. England were the better team but you come out of it thinking they won because of outside forces, which is never a nice feeling in sport.

    But I'm please to see people so pleased. I'm pleased my friends and family are pleased, I'm pleased the English on here are pleased, I'm glad to see Wembley full of happy people.

    But I just can't connect emotionally with it any more. Maybe it is the knee thing.Its certainly annoying to have each England victory now presented by lefties as a victory for their brand of politics. It's quite difficult to get behind a team who get so close to supporting BLM. But, you know, maybe if it hadn't been the knee it would have been something else. This last year has robbed me of my ability to find pleasure in a lot of things that I used to.

    But I'm not going to go supporting England's opponents over it. I'll still take an interest, and I'll still be happy for those for whom seeing the ball hit the back of the net goes straight to the emotions without having to pass through the rational brain.
    It was a tight game between two good sides for the first 70 minutes before England utterly dominated for the last forty. We could have won it by a couple more was it not for the excellent Kaspar Schmeichel. We probed, we moved the ball around, we dribbled and we got a legitimate penalty. Righties whining about an anti-racism gesture is the same as lefties whining about poppy wearing.
    Errr... surely last fifty.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,041
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    Andy_JS said:

    "Allowing children to catch Covid-19 naturally may be better for them than vaccination, according to a member of the committee deciding whether to offer jabs to teenagers.

    Professor Robert Dingwall, of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, said that given how mild illness was in teenagers, vaccines had to be “exceptionally safe” not to do more harm than good."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-better-off-catching-covid-naturally-than-having-a-jab-xx7kmwxrd

    The US CDC have crunched the real world numbers (9m 12-17yr olds having been vaccinated), and are absolutely certain that vaccines do more good than harm.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962
    edited July 2021
    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    England now have possibly the best collection of young talent in Europe. Mount, Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Rashford....I could go on....we really aren't the sick man of Europe kick it and rush, if you spill my pint I will bite your legs...we have seriousky world class technical players.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Sturgeon should surely call a new referendum for Saturday, before England lose, and at the height of English superbitas
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    edited July 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    While it's difficult to take too much pleasure from that, it should be remembered that everyone's had narrow squeaks. Italy only just made it past Spain, and indeed only just made it past Austria, I think. Spain laboured all the way to the semis. France and Germany didn't even make it that far.
    There is very rarely a tournament in which a team has it all their own way, all the time.
    A shame for Denmark, what with the Christian Eriksen subplot. But they won it back in 1992. Give someone else a turn.

    How can you not take pleasure from THIS???!!

    It's superb
    It was painful, laboured. England were the better team but you come out of it thinking they won because of outside forces, which is never a nice feeling in sport.

    But I'm please to see people so pleased. I'm pleased my friends and family are pleased, I'm pleased the English on here are pleased, I'm glad to see Wembley full of happy people.

    But I just can't connect emotionally with it any more. Maybe it is the knee thing.Its certainly annoying to have each England victory now presented by lefties as a victory for their brand of politics. It's quite difficult to get behind a team who get so close to supporting BLM. But, you know, maybe if it hadn't been the knee it would have been something else. This last year has robbed me of my ability to find pleasure in a lot of things that I used to.

    But I'm not going to go supporting England's opponents over it. I'll still take an interest, and I'll still be happy for those for whom seeing the ball hit the back of the net goes straight to the emotions without having to pass through the rational brain.
    It was a tight game between two good sides for the first 70 minutes before England utterly dominated for the last forty. We could have won it by a couple more was it not for the excellent Kaspar Schmeichel. We probed, we moved the ball around, we dribbled and we got a legitimate penalty. Righties whining about an anti-racism gesture is the same as lefties whining about poppy wearing.
    Errr... surely last fifty.
    Edit: deleted due to maths error 😬
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352

    The Boris health kick doesn't seem to be working....

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1412877389974093825?s=19

    I think he looks worse there because he is, inexplicably, wearing the replica shirt over a dress shirt. I cannot fathom why you would want to do that at all.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397

    The Boris health kick doesn't seem to be working....

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1412877389974093825?s=19

    He's got a tie on under that shirt.
    Like any football fan would.
  • A victory for decent and humble people, well done Mr Southgate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    England now have possibly the best collection of young talent in Europe. Mount, Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Rashford....I could go on....we really aren't the sick man of Europe kick it and rush, if you spill my pint I will bite your legs...we have seriousky world class technical players.
    Yes. The two most talented squads in Europe (the world?) are England and France

    When Foden came on - my God. He's brilliant
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,588
    “ How England left the EU, Found Its Soul and Won the Euros. Can see the opeds already”

    https://twitter.com/macaesbruno/status/1412892897876316167
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    The Boris health kick doesn't seem to be working....

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1412877389974093825?s=19

    I think he looks worse there because he is, inexplicably, wearing the replica shirt over a dress shirt. I cannot fathom why you would want to do that at all.
    Two words: Photo Opportunity

    Boris cannot resist either it seems.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    “If football is to come home, it will have to pay for its own PCR test”. Says government.

    Kane, Shaw and Conquered - Norse News Tonight
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Regarding the final.

    Pros for England.

    At home and decent.

    Cons

    Italy are more streetwise than England.

    Chiellini and Bonucci would rather kill their grannies than a concede a goal.

    Choice of referee will be important.

    The German referee from the Italy v Spain game was excellent. All the Latino rolling around on the floor soon stopped when he gave them nothing.

    Mind you he wouldn't have bought Sterling's penalty, so perhaps not.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Leon said:

    Sturgeon should surely call a new referendum for Saturday, before England lose, and at the height of English superbitas

    Even if she did the result would have no weight and Boris would ignore it as Union matters are reserved to Westminster
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    Okay London resident, which grounds do you usually frequent?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    edited July 2021
    GET IN
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    GET IN

    If you are talking to your partner, can I just say YOU ARE NOT ON MUTE?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    GET IN

    The extraordinary quality of this historic win is that it comes after the worst 16 months in the history of modern humanity
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    England now have possibly the best collection of young talent in Europe. Mount, Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Rashford....I could go on....we really aren't the sick man of Europe kick it and rush, if you spill my pint I will bite your legs...we have seriousky world class technical players.
    Yes. The two most talented squads in Europe (the world?) are England and France

    When Foden came on - my God. He's brilliant
    Watch the clips from the England training sessions....if Messi or Ronaldo was doing the stuff he casually does, people would be saying greatest player evvvvvvvverrrrr...and he is still a kid.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Sturgeon should surely call a new referendum for Saturday, before England lose, and at the height of English superbitas

    Even if she did the result would have no weight and Boris would ignore it as Union matters are reserved to Westminster
    You don't really do humour do you @HYUFD?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169
    What the f*ck is ITV on about, our performance against Germany and Ukraine was miles better
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    edited July 2021
    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    Yep, I am sure all Danes are particularly pleased for us (!)
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Fans of our National game yet again represented by a couple of ladies cuddling each other, on the front of the Daily Mail.
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 235
    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    I am being kept awake by drivers hooting their horns and drunk people yelling "it's fookin coming home." My wife won't let me join in the fun by yelling back that if they don't shut up they won't be going home.

    Anyway as a non football fan, I'm happy for the people who are into it, but for god's sake I wish they'd be less obnoxious about it. I'm certainly not getting much joy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,611
    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    English players are role models.

    Scottish players are degenerates.

    Claims Leigh Griffiths sent flirty messages to 15-year-old girl being probed by cops

    The Scotland international is accused of sending a string of private messages on Instagram to the young footballer who plays for a premiership side.


    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/claims-leigh-griffiths-sent-flirty-24483537

    No wonder Malcolm was so grumpy earlier on tonight.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,771
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    England now have possibly the best collection of young talent in Europe. Mount, Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Rashford....I could go on....we really aren't the sick man of Europe kick it and rush, if you spill my pint I will bite your legs...we have seriousky world class technical players.
    Yes. The two most talented squads in Europe (the world?) are England and France

    When Foden came on - my God. He's brilliant
    I don't quite understand how this happened.
    England had the golden generation, who never really achieved anything, and then when they retired about 2010 the cupboard seemed almost laughably bare.
    Prospects for England ever being any good again seemed remote. Our kids were no longer interested in football, we were told - didn't play it in the streets any more, all the playing fields being built over.
    They even lost to Iceland in 2016.
    And now look - the most talented young squad in Europe.

    Presumably this hasn't happened by accident. Presumably a lot of work has gone into youth development. The results are very impressive.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962

    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    English players are role models.

    Scottish players are degenerates.

    Claims Leigh Griffiths sent flirty messages to 15-year-old girl being probed by cops

    The Scotland international is accused of sending a string of private messages on Instagram to the young footballer who plays for a premiership side.


    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/claims-leigh-griffiths-sent-flirty-24483537

    No wonder Malcolm was so grumpy earlier on tonight.
    Adam Johnson case comes to mind.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    England now have possibly the best collection of young talent in Europe. Mount, Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Rashford....I could go on....we really aren't the sick man of Europe kick it and rush, if you spill my pint I will bite your legs...we have seriousky world class technical players.
    Yes. The two most talented squads in Europe (the world?) are England and France

    When Foden came on - my God. He's brilliant
    I think he plays Sunday. Looked superb.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,611

    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    English players are role models.

    Scottish players are degenerates.

    Claims Leigh Griffiths sent flirty messages to 15-year-old girl being probed by cops

    The Scotland international is accused of sending a string of private messages on Instagram to the young footballer who plays for a premiership side.


    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/claims-leigh-griffiths-sent-flirty-24483537

    No wonder Malcolm was so grumpy earlier on tonight.
    Adam Johnson case comes to mind.
    I know but that was years ago.

    I'm talking about the present day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Maffew said:

    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    I am being kept awake by drivers hooting their horns and drunk people yelling "it's fookin coming home." My wife won't let me join in the fun by yelling back that if they don't shut up they won't be going home.

    Anyway as a non football fan, I'm happy for the people who are into it, but for god's sake I wish they'd be less obnoxious about it. I'm certainly not getting much joy.
    Meh, big tournaments come up every couple of years, it's not a big deal. And as 10s of millions watch the games at tournaments (I was not amongst them), it reaches a tipping point where it is going to impact people who don't watch or care (same reason I finally got into Line of Duty)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,962
    edited July 2021
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I agree with Sandy and others: the period when we played Ole football was possibly the most impressive bit of all

    It felt like watching a supremely confident German or Italian side in their pomp, and that is high praise

    England now have possibly the best collection of young talent in Europe. Mount, Foden, Sancho, Bellingham, Saka, Hudson-Odoi, Greenwood, Rashford....I could go on....we really aren't the sick man of Europe kick it and rush, if you spill my pint I will bite your legs...we have seriousky world class technical players.
    Yes. The two most talented squads in Europe (the world?) are England and France

    When Foden came on - my God. He's brilliant
    I don't quite understand how this happened.
    England had the golden generation, who never really achieved anything, and then when they retired about 2010 the cupboard seemed almost laughably bare.
    Prospects for England ever being any good again seemed remote. Our kids were no longer interested in football, we were told - didn't play it in the streets any more, all the playing fields being built over.
    They even lost to Iceland in 2016.
    And now look - the most talented young squad in Europe.

    Presumably this hasn't happened by accident. Presumably a lot of work has gone into youth development. The results are very impressive.

    Highly professional academy system and influx of foreign managers with their weird continental ways of working on players technical abilites and also much more advanced tactical systems.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Fuck it. Boris should allow a full house on Sunday.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    kle4 said:

    Maffew said:

    Leon said:

    The whole world shares in England's joy. That's what I'm feeling tonight. Even from Scotland. Just a glorious altruistic love for England and all that we are: the noblest nation on earth

    I am being kept awake by drivers hooting their horns and drunk people yelling "it's fookin coming home." My wife won't let me join in the fun by yelling back that if they don't shut up they won't be going home.

    Anyway as a non football fan, I'm happy for the people who are into it, but for god's sake I wish they'd be less obnoxious about it. I'm certainly not getting much joy.
    Meh, big tournaments come up every couple of years, it's not a big deal. And as 10s of millions watch the games at tournaments (I was not amongst them), it reaches a tipping point where it is going to impact people who don't watch or care (same reason I finally got into Line of Duty)
    Other people should just put up with being disturbed? I can't agree with that.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,771
    Pulpstar said:

    What the f*ck is ITV on about, our performance against Germany and Ukraine was miles better

    But not on ITV.
    Best performance televised by ITV for ages.
    Just unfortunately less good than most of the England performances on BBC.

    I don't want to be labouring this point, though I am. It is ridiculous to believe in it. But the stats are surely well outside the bounds of happened by coincidence. I know correlation doesn't equal causation. But there is clear correlation.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Looks like there is going to be a change regarding extremely clinically vulnerable shoulders after 19th July

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1412904748362182661?s=19
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