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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    glw said:

    First deaths without cases, then cases and deaths, now cases without deaths. First no testing and no vaccines, then testing and no vaccines, now testing and vaccines

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1410316005189079044?s=20


    I was just about to ask if anyone had a chart like that. It really shows the difference.
    There is no question now that the link between cases and deaths has been broken - and there needs to be a full lifting of legal restrictions.

    If any of these zealot zero covid "experts" insist on dragging out lockdown any further we need someone in government brave enough to say that we've had enough of experts saying they know what is best and consistently getting it wrong.
    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well
    We did hold all the cards. Brexit went great once we got a Brexiteer instead of a Remainer in charge.

    We need to dislodge the Zero Covid zealots from the decision making processes now, they've got it consistently wrong. Hopefully Javid won't buy what they were selling to Hancock.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    glw said:

    First deaths without cases, then cases and deaths, now cases without deaths. First no testing and no vaccines, then testing and no vaccines, now testing and vaccines

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1410316005189079044?s=20


    I was just about to ask if anyone had a chart like that. It really shows the difference.
    There is no question now that the link between cases and deaths has been broken - and there needs to be a full lifting of legal restrictions.

    If any of these zealot zero covid "experts" insist on dragging out lockdown any further we need someone in government brave enough to say that we've had enough of experts saying they know what is best and consistently getting it wrong.
    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well
    We did hold all the cards. Brexit went great once we got a Brexiteer instead of a Remainer in charge.

    We need to dislodge the Zero Covid zealots from the decision making processes now, they've got it consistently wrong. Hopefully Javid won't buy what they were selling to Hancock.
    Mind the Gap

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    in the words of Ryan Gosling...

    "Be better than the Gap!"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited June 2021

    glw said:

    First deaths without cases, then cases and deaths, now cases without deaths. First no testing and no vaccines, then testing and no vaccines, now testing and vaccines

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1410316005189079044?s=20


    I was just about to ask if anyone had a chart like that. It really shows the difference.
    There is no question now that the link between cases and deaths has been broken - and there needs to be a full lifting of legal restrictions.

    If any of these zealot zero covid "experts" insist on dragging out lockdown any further we need someone in government brave enough to say that we've had enough of experts saying they know what is best and consistently getting it wrong.
    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well
    We did hold all the cards. Brexit went great once we got a Brexiteer instead of a Remainer in charge.

    We need to dislodge the Zero Covid zealots from the decision making processes now, they've got it consistently wrong. Hopefully Javid won't buy what they were selling to Hancock.
    Mind the Gap

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.
    And French ones are going to....
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Must...not...make...joke...about...gap...in...market...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    That great BRITISH tennis player rolling back the years at the moment....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,033
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    Why is it bewildering? Mexican is one of the world's great cuisines, if a little salty at times.

    Brazilian food is pretty good, and the steaks and pasta in Argentina are of course first class.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    One MSOA in London (Fitzrovia) is showing as 37.5% 1st doses - what on earth is going on there?

    Fitzrovia is deserted. There’s no one there

    Generally it is inhabited by foreign students (oops), rich foreigners with london cash cow homes (oops) and very rich Londoners who have decamped to their country piles (ah)

    There is an element of council and legacy housing and that is the 37%
    As a former Fitzrovia resident (W1W 5NG), I think there's some truth in that. But it also ued to be a fabulous village.
    Charlotte street used to be my favourite urban street in the entire world. Sigh

    Let’s hope it bounces back. I love it as you do
    "So she took me back to her basement flat
    Which was down on Charlotte Street"

    Lloyd Cole
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Carnyx said:

    Actual LOLing at this


    What that copy doesn't show, but better copies do, is the string holding the penguin in place.

    https://twitter.com/natlibscot/status/1111320500360437761

    Whether this was airbrushed out is a good question.
    Is the penguin stuffed?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906

    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well

    I honestly think there are only two plausible outcomes from where we are.

    1. The vaccines work so well that hospitalisations and deaths are now well within the tolerable level, that is they are really no worse than umpteen other things we do little to counteract, and so further lockdowns are unwarranted.

    2. The vaccines don't work well and we are going to have to go through another substantial wave of infections, hospitalisations, and deaths. Any lockdown can at best delay that wave, so if we can only delay the wave then having it in the summer is better than overlapping it with the flu.

    I'm fairly confident that the first case holds, but we should be clear if the vaccines don't work another large wave of infections is unavoidable, for us and any other country. Nobody can keep locking down their country forever.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    Leon said:

    The most improved UK city has to be Manchester. It was filthy, and dangerous, in the 1990s, edgy as fuck - although the clubbing was world class.

    These days it’s a fantastic place. Still has great nightlife but with much better restaurants, and far less sketchiness.

    My last memory of Manchester was about 2003. And it was horrible. I should go back then?
    Absolutely. I lived there 2000-1. Never went back till my eldest started Uni there in 2018.
    Utterly unrecognizable.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Actual LOLing at this


    What that copy doesn't show, but better copies do, is the string holding the penguin in place.

    https://twitter.com/natlibscot/status/1111320500360437761

    Whether this was airbrushed out is a good question.
    Is the penguin stuffed?
    Wouldn't have thought so, for good practical reasons. They tended to m ake collapsed skins on the spot for transport home in such situations. Wouldn'tg need the string if it were a mounted penguin, anyway.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Manchester is magnificent, it really is.

    It is my second home.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    Why is it bewildering? Mexican is one of the world's great cuisines, if a little salty at times.

    Brazilian food is pretty good, and the steaks and pasta in Argentina are of course first class.
    Bewildering because food throughout Latin America is terrible - and it is, despite the steaks in Buenos Aires - but Mexico has a magnificent and multivarious cuisine. An exception which proves the rule

    I don’t know how to explain it. Ok Mexico is massive with much climate variation and an ancient culture. But all this is true of Peru, and Peruvian food is dreadful, despite a couple of trendy restaurants in Lima, and ceviche (which is wildly overrated)

    And then there is Cuba. Oh my fucking giddy aunt. Possibly the worst food in the world
  • Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Sheffield
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,174
    73m seems cheap for Sancho tbh
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Actual LOLing at this


    What that copy doesn't show, but better copies do, is the string holding the penguin in place.

    https://twitter.com/natlibscot/status/1111320500360437761

    Whether this was airbrushed out is a good question.
    Is the penguin stuffed?
    Penguin: 'Do you know you're standing on my favourite fishing spot?'
    Piper: 'No, but you hum it and I'll play it'
  • Also I found Rochester quite depressed considering it is a traditional city
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    edited June 2021
    Pulpstar said:

    73m seems cheap for Sancho tbh

    His Dortmund contract expires next year.

    So I reckon Dortmund have done well there.

    Edit - It runs out in two years, it was extended,
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    That great BRITISH tennis player rolling back the years at the moment....

    Murray may well have been rescued by the need to close the roof - for the second time on the bounce. If he does ultimately prevail this time around, however, then I do not fancy his chances against Denis Shapovalov in round three - seeded 10, and didn't even have to play a second round match as his opponent forfeited.

    The best chance of a British player making the second week (and, indeed, a quarter-final) is Dan Evans, who has a tricky tie against young Sebastian Korda coming up next but is nonetheless the highest ranked player left in his eighth of the draw. Cameron Norrie ought not to have any trouble disposing of his second round opponent tomorrow, but is drawn to meet Federer after that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Actual LOLing at this


    What that copy doesn't show, but better copies do, is the string holding the penguin in place.

    https://twitter.com/natlibscot/status/1111320500360437761

    Whether this was airbrushed out is a good question.
    Is the penguin stuffed?
    Dunno try and ppp pick it up
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Isn't it fine: now can chat about the weather AND our response to the jabs.

    Starting with a small pox vaccination by scraping on my arm I have had umpteen jabs over the years with very little effect, although the jab for yellow fever at age 21 did make me a tiny bit feverish. For the covid jab---essentially zilch.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    glw said:

    First deaths without cases, then cases and deaths, now cases without deaths. First no testing and no vaccines, then testing and no vaccines, now testing and vaccines

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1410316005189079044?s=20


    I was just about to ask if anyone had a chart like that. It really shows the difference.
    There is no question now that the link between cases and deaths has been broken - and there needs to be a full lifting of legal restrictions.

    If any of these zealot zero covid "experts" insist on dragging out lockdown any further we need someone in government brave enough to say that we've had enough of experts saying they know what is best and consistently getting it wrong.
    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well
    We did hold all the cards. Brexit went great once we got a Brexiteer instead of a Remainer in charge.

    We need to dislodge the Zero Covid zealots from the decision making processes now, they've got it consistently wrong. Hopefully Javid won't buy what they were selling to Hancock.
    Mind the Gap

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.
    And French ones are going to....
    I wonder about the medium impact to many of these decisions to move online without assessing whether pandemic trends will prove semi permanent. My tentative hypothesis would be that if sales have held up during the pandemic then it will largely be down to existing brand reputation and loyalty from an existing customer base (who after all had nowhere else to go, so stuck with the brands they knew). But as they disappear from the high street will they get the customers of the future?

    In a way it is a similar dilemma to businesses/organisations switching en masses to home working, without fully understanding that the extent to which things have functioned reasonably during the pandemic is because existing workforces know their jobs, have been operating in existing teams and have largely kept things ticking over - with a significantly lower level of the usual turnover. But whether this is sustainable in the medium term is another question.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174

    Also I found Rochester quite depressed considering it is a traditional city

    Town.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Oh my word, Bill Cosby.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    Leon said:

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it
    Why do you imagine that Councils own shops?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    glw said:

    First deaths without cases, then cases and deaths, now cases without deaths. First no testing and no vaccines, then testing and no vaccines, now testing and vaccines

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1410316005189079044?s=20


    I was just about to ask if anyone had a chart like that. It really shows the difference.
    There is no question now that the link between cases and deaths has been broken - and there needs to be a full lifting of legal restrictions.

    If any of these zealot zero covid "experts" insist on dragging out lockdown any further we need someone in government brave enough to say that we've had enough of experts saying they know what is best and consistently getting it wrong.
    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well
    We did hold all the cards. Brexit went great once we got a Brexiteer instead of a Remainer in charge.

    We need to dislodge the Zero Covid zealots from the decision making processes now, they've got it consistently wrong. Hopefully Javid won't buy what they were selling to Hancock.
    Mind the Gap

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.
    Do you think if we'd voted Remain then the internet and Covid wouldn't have seen retail go online?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it
    Why do you imagine that Councils own shops?
    Well they do, but they are hardly the only ones.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,555

    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Coventry.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    YORKSHIRE POST: I will not quit if we lose poll, says Starmer #TomorrowsPapersToday

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1410343494804180993
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    glw said:

    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well

    I honestly think there are only two plausible outcomes from where we are.

    1. The vaccines work so well that hospitalisations and deaths are now well within the tolerable level, that is they are really no worse than umpteen other things we do little to counteract, and so further lockdowns are unwarranted.

    2. The vaccines don't work well and we are going to have to go through another substantial wave of infections, hospitalisations, and deaths. Any lockdown can at best delay that wave, so if we can only delay the wave then having it in the summer is better than overlapping it with the flu.

    I'm fairly confident that the first case holds, but we should be clear if the vaccines don't work another large wave of infections is unavoidable, for us and any other country. Nobody can keep locking down their country forever.
    Totally agree,

    If 2. is accurate, then tell me a better time than the middle of the summer to have it? lots of Sun and victim D in people body's boosting their immune systems and less demand on the NHS from the 'normal winter flu'
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174

    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Brighton.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it
    Why do you imagine that Councils own shops?
    Rents, rates, you know what I mean
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited June 2021

    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Coventry.
    You really get a shock with that one if you visit Warwick uni first.....the campus full of modern glass buldings and then you potter into the city and it still looks bombed out.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    "Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it"

    Our misuse of the car is ruining aspects of my life. Apart from their contribution to climate change, many Bedford town centre shops are moving to a godawful retail park that is not really accessible by foot or cycle.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it
    Why do you imagine that Councils own shops?
    Rents, rates, you know what I mean
    Councils don’t set business rates.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Toms said:

    Leon said:

    "Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it"

    Our misuse of the car is ruining aspects of my life. Apart from their contribution to climate change, many Bedford town centre shops are moving to a godawful retail park that is not really accessible by foot or cycle.

    Just as car driving and malls die out. Madness
  • Leon said:

    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    Why is it bewildering? Mexican is one of the world's great cuisines, if a little salty at times.

    Brazilian food is pretty good, and the steaks and pasta in Argentina are of course first class.
    Bewildering because food throughout Latin America is terrible - and it is, despite the steaks in Buenos Aires - but Mexico has a magnificent and multivarious cuisine. An exception which proves the rule

    I don’t know how to explain it. Ok Mexico is massive with much climate variation and an ancient culture. But all this is true of Peru, and Peruvian food is dreadful, despite a couple of trendy restaurants in Lima, and ceviche (which is wildly overrated)

    And then there is Cuba. Oh my fucking giddy aunt. Possibly the worst food in the world
    In Colombia ajiaco is a very rich and satisfying soup/stew. Bandeja paisa is like an English breakfast with avocado and rice. The fruit juices are incredible from literally hundreds of different fruits many of which like lulu feijoa and guanavana are rarely seen outside the country.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    I told you all there would be a reckoning for the Scottish football team's shameful behaviour over Billy Gilmour's positive test.

    Nearly 2,000 Covid cases in Scotland have been linked to people watching Euro 2020 football matches.

    Public Health Scotland said two thirds of the 1,991 cases were people who travelled to London for Scotland's game with England on 18 June.

    This included 397 fans who were inside Wembley for the match.

    A relatively small number of cases reported attending the Fanzone in Glasgow, or Scotland's two home matches at Hampden.

    Scotland was only allocated 2,600 tickets for the match at Wembley because of Covid restrictions.

    But tens of thousands of fans are believed to have travelled to London despite warnings not to do so unless they had a ticket.

    Many gathered together in large groups in central London ahead of the game, with those in Leicester Square being moved on by police shortly after half-time.

    The country's national clinical director, Prof Jason Leitch said he was disappointed that 2,000 of the 32,000 cases recorded in Scotland since 11 July had been linked to Euro 2020 events.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.

    Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it
    Why do you imagine that Councils own shops?
    Rents, rates, you know what I mean
    I think buissness rates, if that's what you mean are set by central government, not the councils.

    It would not make a huge difference but a step in the right direction would be to allow shops that sell cannabis, like in Colorado and many US states, but better to have a buissness selling it than to buy if from a man in a hoody standing outside a boarded up shop
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Coventry.
    Plymouth.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Leon said:

    Toms said:

    Leon said:

    "Christ. This is a lot of empty spaces on my high street

    We need to rethink our town centres from scratch. And councils have to accept much lower rents. It is what it is, etc

    The worst thing is keeping these streets dark hoping for retail to return. It won’t. We need people places. Pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc, with vastly reduced rents. Tax the internet giants to pay for it"

    Our misuse of the car is ruining aspects of my life. Apart from their contribution to climate change, many Bedford town centre shops are moving to a godawful retail park that is not really accessible by foot or cycle.

    Just as car driving and malls die out. Madness
    Car driving dying out?

    You need to get out of your bubble. Cars are going as strong as they ever have done and for good reason too.
  • Leon said:

    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    Why is it bewildering? Mexican is one of the world's great cuisines, if a little salty at times.

    Brazilian food is pretty good, and the steaks and pasta in Argentina are of course first class.
    Bewildering because food throughout Latin America is terrible - and it is, despite the steaks in Buenos Aires - but Mexico has a magnificent and multivarious cuisine. An exception which proves the rule

    I don’t know how to explain it. Ok Mexico is massive with much climate variation and an ancient culture. But all this is true of Peru, and Peruvian food is dreadful, despite a couple of trendy restaurants in Lima, and ceviche (which is wildly overrated)

    And then there is Cuba. Oh my fucking giddy aunt. Possibly the worst food in the world
    In Colombia ajiaco is a very rich and satisfying soup/stew. Bandeja paisa is like an English breakfast with avocado and rice. The fruit juices are incredible from literally hundreds of different fruits many of which like lulu feijoa and guanavana are rarely seen outside the country.
    Just avoid the mondongo which is a sort of tripe and indeed as horrible as any you might find in Lancashire.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    Why is it bewildering? Mexican is one of the world's great cuisines, if a little salty at times.

    Brazilian food is pretty good, and the steaks and pasta in Argentina are of course first class.
    Bewildering because food throughout Latin America is terrible - and it is, despite the steaks in Buenos Aires - but Mexico has a magnificent and multivarious cuisine. An exception which proves the rule

    I don’t know how to explain it. Ok Mexico is massive with much climate variation and an ancient culture. But all this is true of Peru, and Peruvian food is dreadful, despite a couple of trendy restaurants in Lima, and ceviche (which is wildly overrated)

    And then there is Cuba. Oh my fucking giddy aunt. Possibly the worst food in the world
    In Colombia ajiaco is a very rich and satisfying soup/stew. Bandeja paisa is like an English breakfast with avocado and rice. The fruit juices are incredible from literally hundreds of different fruits many of which like lulu feijoa and guanavana are rarely seen outside the country.
    I've never been to Colombia (would dearly like to go) but one of my favourite travel books EVER is The Fruit Palace

    https://www.amazon.com/Fruit-Palace-Charles-Nicholl-author/dp/0099274043

    Probably very dated now (travel writing often dates quicker than comedy) but a gorgeous book - and particularly good on the wild variety of tropical fruit in Colombia
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    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Some 15 years ago I was running a course in Upper Burma, and the doctor that I was staying with had an excellent cook. She asked me what I would like, and could cook anything, western, Chinese, Indian, Thai, Burmese etc.

    I asked for Burmese as I may never get the chance again. Every day for the fortnight she proudly produced spectacular food, in different regional styles. Shan food was particularly good for breakfast, and many types of river fish and crustaceans from the Irawaddy. She called them all curries, but nothing like curries that I have ever had before. I even developed a taste for the green tea leaf pickle. I tried to bring some back, but it doesn't travel well.

    Burma is a lovely country and charming people, just a terrible government.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Coventry.
    Plymouth.
    No. Plymouth is wondrous. One of the great neglected cities of Europe. A kind of English Naples
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    OMFG they are going to do another release of NYC mayor results today... Without the Absentee Ballots included.

    What the fuck is this shit.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Ha! I saw that. Seems to me that she just identifies events that are likely to happen and makes a value bet on timing.

    By the way the classified annexe of the Pentagon report was reportedly accompanied by about 15 videos, described by an attributed source as “like watching sci fi”. Will be interesting to see what reactions we get from senators in coming weeks and months.

    Romney said without irony along the lines of “well I do find it hard to believe they’re from outer space but I can sure as hell tell ya they’re not Russian or Chinese!…2 trillion galaxies hmmm yes I’d be very interested if they came from there. But really we have so much more to worry about with global warming and the debt than spending time looking at ufos’”.

    I suspect there’s a lot of senior politicians who are not used to spending any time thinking beyond their next fundraiser. They’ve suddenly been presented with a bunch of extraordinary evidence that taken in the round leads to only one logical endpoint. And they don’t know what to think or say about. “Mmmm yes seems UFO’s might be real. But who cares, we gotta keep an eye on that deficit!”
    "Like watching Sci-Fi" is about right though. How easy is it to fake stuff these days to get funding...
    Not very. Surely that’s the flaw in your argument? A few grainy satellite photos of a Chinese missile silo or hangar would do the job if you wanted more funding. You don’t need to construct a bizarre bipartisan conspiracy about ultra tech ufo’s.
    The problem I have is my life long interest in Fortean things, including UFO's. We have gone from the time where a camera needed film to be developed, and it was acceptable to just have one blurry photo of a phenomenon because of the technology. Now across the planet are billions of digital cameras which can take thousands of shots and yet the evidence is just not coming. I've watched some of the videos that you are interested in and I'm not impressed. I've followed previous cases where in it is alleged that visual sightings are backed by radar and so on, and none of them are convincing either. Why are they not releasing these high quality videos? If they are so convincing lets see them.

    I think you want this to be true, and so are invested in believing. Fine. I'd love it to be true too, just as I'd love ghosts to be real, and the lock ness monster to be a 66 million year old survivor species, and bigfoot/sasquatch to be roaming the north American woods etc etc etc. As the years go on the evidence gets less and less.
    FPT
    No I quite desperately hope to be wrong about this. Hard to see what good can come of it and easy to see the bad. But I don’t let that cloud my judgement and pretend it away.

    Cameras - go and take a photo of a plane in the sky with your iPhone and see how good the picture is.

    Radar and flight telemetrics that match FLIR pod and multiple eye witness is compelling evidence. The US military is protective of its sources and methods which is why essentially the whole report was classified and why we’ve not seen the satellite imagery confirmed as existing by an ex US cabinet member.

    There will be some foreign drones and radar reflectors mixed in the total. But there’s a subset that make no sense without thinking exotic. As the report spelled out perfectly plainly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    IshmaelZ said:

    Lots of cities have had a face lift..... which major UK one hasn't or has been done so poorly its still a shit hole?

    Coventry.
    Plymouth.
    Portsmouth.
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    The World is saved
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Alistair said:

    OMFG they are going to do another release of NYC mayor results today... Without the Absentee Ballots included.

    What the fuck is this shit.

    They don't understand AV.

    They need someone to do an explainer for them.
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    For any creatives..."GPT3 is now online".....

    Throws hand grenade and runs away.
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    Because you know we're ranked lower than fish.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    IanB2 said:

    Behr:

    Even to an attentive audience, Starmer has nothing memorable to say. His unofficial campaign slogan was “unity in ambiguity”. He criticised the 2019 manifesto for offering too much policy, but would not say which parts should have been discarded.

    Starmer’s popularity ratings have taken a knock since the end of last year, but he still has more prime ministerial bearing than anyone else on the Labour frontbench. And there are always available fantasies of a sudden change in the political weather.

    [But] Labour unity is not a principle that means anything to most of the public. And its value decays to nothing when there is confusion over what everyone is supposed to unite around.

    The likely trajectory is a purgatory of semi-loyalty, with disappointed MPs complaining about the direction but not offering any alternatives. And without such a battle, Starmer seems condemned to be voiceless. Unless some crisis comes along that forces him to say aloud what he really believes, it isn’t clear how else we are supposed to know.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/29/labour-keir-starmer-party-unity

    This is right. Given the immensity of the change involved in Brexit, threat to the Union, debt and public finances, climate, Russia, China, Trumpism and all the rest it has been vital for some time that Labour present a clear and coherent set of policies undergirded by a general vision of our place in the world and our morality as a nation.

    While less than adequate only the Tories are remotely engaged with this. I have no idea where Labour stands on any of the real or indeed the trivial retail issues. This failure is becoming clearer. If they lose B&S (and it would be good if they scraped home by a nose) questions become inescapable.

    Labour is a moral crusade or it is nothing.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    Another @TheSun belter…

    YOB LOSES JOB: Chris Whitty attack yob sacked from his job as an estate agent


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15448426/chris-whitty-attack-yob-loses-job/
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  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Alistair said:

    OMFG they are going to do another release of NYC mayor results today... Without the Absentee Ballots included.

    What the fuck is this shit.

    My understanding is, that when they added the absentee ballots, they tolled the macheen to add up all the ballots that have been though you. and the macheens did as they where tolled

    and they included the 130,000 test ballots that had been put though right at the start.

    only noticed when the totals given where much more than the number of ballots there should have been.
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    EMP disables all computers.

    To be fair, a horror story for everybody, really. Maybe more realistic...

    Model economy through pandemic
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298

    Another straw in the wind to make of what you will: Labour has now spoken to EVERY Batley and Spen voter for whom we have phone numbers. I resumed phoning this evening and after a few (including 2 don't-know to Labour switchers, yay) I got the message that everyone had now been called.

    This has to be a lot more than the Galloway effort. I think it's now really come down to a Tory-Labour battle and Galloway is marginalised.

    Can you fill us in on how Labour campaign managers believe Labour will fare tomorrow? I was intrigued by Mike's final paragraph in the header. Can Labour realistically hold this seat?

    Maybe GG would be more likely to beat 7%, denting Labour something rotten, had Anne Marie Waters of For Britain put up more of a showing, helped by her pal Tommy Robinson, and had Muslim voters in the constituency considered themselves to be under threat rather than incensed by SKS's not being good on Palestine. Good for almost everyone not on the extreme right (or GG) that this hasn't happened. Could Friday's news be "damp squib; no big swings from anyone to anyone else; Labour hold"?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Scott_xP said:

    Another @TheSun belter…

    YOB LOSES JOB: Chris Whitty attack yob sacked from his job as an estate agent


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15448426/chris-whitty-attack-yob-loses-job/

    He's from Essex and an estate agent.

    Can you get any lower?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    On the tennis football discussion from earlier.
    They've just revealed Murray has covered 6,2 km so far.
    So not a patch on your average midfielder.
    And over a much longer timescale.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited June 2021
    dixiedean said:

    On the tennis football discussion from earlier.
    They've just revealed Murray has covered 6,2 km so far.
    So not a patch on your average midfielder.
    And over a much longer timescale.

    But tennis is side to side shuttle runs at basically max pace. A lot of football is medium intensity runs / jogs.
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    Finest Chancellor of your lifetime.
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    Astronauts discover glass ceiling.

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,789

    Scott_xP said:

    Another @TheSun belter…

    YOB LOSES JOB: Chris Whitty attack yob sacked from his job as an estate agent


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15448426/chris-whitty-attack-yob-loses-job/

    He's from Essex and an estate agent.

    Can you get any lower?
    Liverpool and on the dole.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
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    Four more weeks lockdown.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    Scott_xP said:

    Another @TheSun belter…

    YOB LOSES JOB: Chris Whitty attack yob sacked from his job as an estate agent


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15448426/chris-whitty-attack-yob-loses-job/

    "I feel very let down by Boris, for him to call me a thug. I actually voted for him as well."

    :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    Another German dispatched....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,174

    dixiedean said:

    On the tennis football discussion from earlier.
    They've just revealed Murray has covered 6,2 km so far.
    So not a patch on your average midfielder.
    And over a much longer timescale.

    But tennis is side to side shuttle runs at basically max pace.
    Yeah the distance footballers have to cover isn't huge. Neither is the tennis players distance - but the tennis yards are definitely harder than the footie yards.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    algarkirk said:

    IanB2 said:

    Behr:

    Even to an attentive audience, Starmer has nothing memorable to say. His unofficial campaign slogan was “unity in ambiguity”. He criticised the 2019 manifesto for offering too much policy, but would not say which parts should have been discarded.

    Starmer’s popularity ratings have taken a knock since the end of last year, but he still has more prime ministerial bearing than anyone else on the Labour frontbench. And there are always available fantasies of a sudden change in the political weather.

    [But] Labour unity is not a principle that means anything to most of the public. And its value decays to nothing when there is confusion over what everyone is supposed to unite around.

    The likely trajectory is a purgatory of semi-loyalty, with disappointed MPs complaining about the direction but not offering any alternatives. And without such a battle, Starmer seems condemned to be voiceless. Unless some crisis comes along that forces him to say aloud what he really believes, it isn’t clear how else we are supposed to know.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/29/labour-keir-starmer-party-unity

    This is right. Given the immensity of the change involved in Brexit, threat to the Union, debt and public finances, climate, Russia, China, Trumpism and all the rest it has been vital for some time that Labour present a clear and coherent set of policies undergirded by a general vision of our place in the world and our morality as a nation.

    While less than adequate only the Tories are remotely engaged with this. I have no idea where Labour stands on any of the real or indeed the trivial retail issues. This failure is becoming clearer. If they lose B&S (and it would be good if they scraped home by a nose) questions become inescapable.

    Labour is a moral crusade or it is nothing.

    Their cheerleaders seem to say variations of “Of course I hope this doesn’t happen… but the government would be in real trouble if interest rates go up/the vaccines don’t work/ etc etc” and this is probably because the main thing Sir Keir emanates is a feeling of kind of hanging around, hoping things go wrong so he can pick up the pieces
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    Finest Chancellor of your lifetime.
    Nonsense, he's the worst Chancellor of my lifetime.

    Best chancellors starting from the top

    Clarke
    Osborne
    Howe
    Lawson
    Lamont
    Darling
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    Brown

    His changes to the regulatory framework for banks and the financial services sector led to the first run on banks in centuries and left us really badly placed for the GFC
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    This tweet has gone viral. Indicating it might be true. But is it?

    ‘As someone who lives there, the rate in which Glasgow is deteriorating is unbelievable. Turning into an absolute dump.’

    https://twitter.com/ryancapperauld/status/1410162083635863556?s=21

    I remember Glasgow as being surprisingly handsome, despite its satanic climate. Rugged, impressive Victorian buildings. Sad if that’s changed

    As someone who lived in Glasgow for 15 years before moving away 9 years ago that seems like a load of shite?

    When I lived in Glasgow Finnieston was a patch of waste ground you hurried through avoiding eye contact as you made your way to the SECC.

    Now it is so achingly hipsterised and gentrified it has a fucking Avocado Restraunt. Yes, that is what you think it is.
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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    On the tennis football discussion from earlier.
    They've just revealed Murray has covered 6,2 km so far.
    So not a patch on your average midfielder.
    And over a much longer timescale.

    But tennis is side to side shuttle runs at basically max pace.
    Yeah the distance footballers have to cover isn't huge. Neither is the tennis players distance - but the tennis yards are definitely harder than the footie yards.
    Football is more endurance while tennis is more HIIT surely?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,789
    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.
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    Asteroid on collision course?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,174

    Scott_xP said:

    Another @TheSun belter…

    YOB LOSES JOB: Chris Whitty attack yob sacked from his job as an estate agent


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15448426/chris-whitty-attack-yob-loses-job/

    "I feel very let down by Boris, for him to call me a thug. I actually voted for him as well."

    :lol:
    That's a big price he's paid, losing his job. I think everyone should move on from the incident now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    The anonymous negative briefings will be incoming....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    🔴Exclusive: Almost 50 Conservative MPs have told Boris Johnson that schools must return to normal from July 19, as they called for an end to “unnecessary disruption”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/30/exclusive-schools-must-return-normal-july-19-tory-mps-warn-boris/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1625085738
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    glw said:

    First deaths without cases, then cases and deaths, now cases without deaths. First no testing and no vaccines, then testing and no vaccines, now testing and vaccines

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1410316005189079044?s=20


    I was just about to ask if anyone had a chart like that. It really shows the difference.
    There is no question now that the link between cases and deaths has been broken - and there needs to be a full lifting of legal restrictions.

    If any of these zealot zero covid "experts" insist on dragging out lockdown any further we need someone in government brave enough to say that we've had enough of experts saying they know what is best and consistently getting it wrong.
    Leave it to the Brexit experts that thought we held all the cards


    That is bound to end well
    We did hold all the cards. Brexit went great once we got a Brexiteer instead of a Remainer in charge.

    We need to dislodge the Zero Covid zealots from the decision making processes now, they've got it consistently wrong. Hopefully Javid won't buy what they were selling to Hancock.
    Mind the Gap

    US fashion giant Gap has confirmed it plans to close all its 81 stores in the UK and Ireland and go online-only.
    Gap sells staple pieces. They don’t need expensive real estate.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    Why is it bewildering? Mexican is one of the world's great cuisines, if a little salty at times.

    Brazilian food is pretty good, and the steaks and pasta in Argentina are of course first class.
    Bewildering because food throughout Latin America is terrible - and it is, despite the steaks in Buenos Aires - but Mexico has a magnificent and multivarious cuisine. An exception which proves the rule

    I don’t know how to explain it. Ok Mexico is massive with much climate variation and an ancient culture. But all this is true of Peru, and Peruvian food is dreadful, despite a couple of trendy restaurants in Lima, and ceviche (which is wildly overrated)

    And then there is Cuba. Oh my fucking giddy aunt. Possibly the worst food in the world
    In Colombia ajiaco is a very rich and satisfying soup/stew. Bandeja paisa is like an English breakfast with avocado and rice. The fruit juices are incredible from literally hundreds of different fruits many of which like lulu feijoa and guanavana are rarely seen outside the country.
    I've never been to Colombia (would dearly like to go) but one of my favourite travel books EVER is The Fruit Palace

    https://www.amazon.com/Fruit-Palace-Charles-Nicholl-author/dp/0099274043

    Probably very dated now (travel writing often dates quicker than comedy) but a gorgeous book - and particularly good on the wild variety of tropical fruit in Colombia
    It is a beautiful country and lovely people. But not a good time to go right now. The police have been killing dozens of peaceful protesters and vigilante gangs killing with impunity. The president is a puppet of ex presideny Uribe and the regime makes Pinochet look like a saint.
    It is not so long ago that i remember visiting Colombia and seeing the incessant groups of broken refugees fleeing Venezuela when Corbyn and his cronies held it up as an example of successful socialism.
    Well those of us on the right of the spectrum who may have mocked this naivety are now sickened by the cruelty of the right wing regime in Colombia which in many ways is much worse.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213
    RobD said:

    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    I hadn't realised "unnecessarily tough" was a synonym for "some".
    Have you any experience of the civil service?

    They seem to regard questioning the briefing documents they give the politicians as "answering back"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,174

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    On the tennis football discussion from earlier.
    They've just revealed Murray has covered 6,2 km so far.
    So not a patch on your average midfielder.
    And over a much longer timescale.

    But tennis is side to side shuttle runs at basically max pace.
    Yeah the distance footballers have to cover isn't huge. Neither is the tennis players distance - but the tennis yards are definitely harder than the footie yards.
    Football is more endurance while tennis is more HIIT surely?
    11 kilometres in 120 minutes isn't really an endurance effort for professional sports people in their 20s and 30s. They'd all likely be able to do 10k in about 40 minutes - it's the fuelling and rehydration that's gone wrong if they're cramping up; they'd need to take on the fuel at half time for it to be effective in extra time...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    Scott_xP said:

    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    🔴Exclusive: Almost 50 Conservative MPs have told Boris Johnson that schools must return to normal from July 19, as they called for an end to “unnecessary disruption”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/30/exclusive-schools-must-return-normal-july-19-tory-mps-warn-boris/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1625085738
    What does "unnecessarily tough" mean?

    He's actually asking some questions. Like, why are all your assumptions on parameters like vaccine uptake completely wrong and out of date?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Ok, votes for weirdly good regional or National cuisines

    (I’m bored but drunk and happy)

    My three

    1. Without question: the solovetsky islands of the White Sea. A microclimate. Everything grown there. Cattle that live on salt grass. Dill. Omg. The best fish and chips ever

    2. The seafood of east anglia

    3. Calabria. The home of nduja. Desperately poor but the local and highly violent mafia recruit the best chefs. Or kidnap them

    Go to any Taiwanese night market. Eat from the stall with the biggest crowd.
    Ooh. Good call. I’ve heard Taiwanese food is superb. It makes sense. Chinese with money!

    The food in Singapore is generally brilliant. Malaysia might have the best cuisine in the world I reckon - an incredible mix of Chinese, Thai and Indian, possibly superior to Vietnam
    Malaysian food is great. Suriname has amazing food for similar reasons - mix of European, Creole, Javanese, Indian and Chinese. Trinidadian rotis and doubles are some of the best street food I've ever eaten, washed down with plenty of cold beers at Carnival. But Sri Lanka has the best food I've ever eaten. Everything there is amazing.
    How weird. I had generally terrible food in Sri Lanka. And we tried everywhere. Not just tourist traps. It was so bad we made an extra effort. But no. The best we got was an ok curry with an egg on top

    Whereas almost anywhere in India you get great food

    However so many people have taken your position I think we were just very unlucky

    Fascinating about Surinam. I have yet to find a South American country with good food. Perhaps that is it.

    Mexico, bewilderingly, is great
    How odd. I don't think I've ever eaten anything in Sri Lanka I haven't enjoyed. There are some decent Sri Lankan restaurants in London too - Kolomba in Soho is quite posh and trendy but the food is great. At the other extreme Jaffna House in Tooting looks very down at heel but the food is amazing, and cheap too.
    I've made myself really hungry now just thinking about it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    Scott_xP said:

    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    🔴Exclusive: Almost 50 Conservative MPs have told Boris Johnson that schools must return to normal from July 19, as they called for an end to “unnecessary disruption”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/30/exclusive-schools-must-return-normal-july-19-tory-mps-warn-boris/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1625085738
    Won't they be returning to normal by, erm,.closing for 6 weeks on July 19?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,789

    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    ‘Bout feckin’ time the models got some hard scrutiny.
    I did try and explain that the NHS is there to serve the people, not the other way around. He looked pretty incredulous when I suggested it. He's a good friend but at the same time very prone to public healthist group think. At one point tonight he was arguing for raising the drinking age to 21 temporarily even though we went to school together and definitely started drinking at 15 or 16.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Another @TheSun belter…

    YOB LOSES JOB: Chris Whitty attack yob sacked from his job as an estate agent


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15448426/chris-whitty-attack-yob-loses-job/

    "I feel very let down by Boris, for him to call me a thug. I actually voted for him as well."

    :lol:
    That's a big price he's paid, losing his job. I think everyone should move on from the incident now.
    I just watched the vid for the first time - annoying drunken pricks, but they weren’t violent or threatening were they? It would be intimidating I guess, but to get sacked is indeed a big price to pay
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Scott_xP said:

    MaxPB said:

    An NHS London source - the new health secretary is giving "unnecessarily tough" scrutiny to the data models being provided by SAGE and other advisory bodies. He expects that Javid will ram through full reopening on July 19th regardless of the numbers and expect the NHS to "just cope" with whatever happens.

    He's not a happy bunny.

    🔴Exclusive: Almost 50 Conservative MPs have told Boris Johnson that schools must return to normal from July 19, as they called for an end to “unnecessary disruption”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/30/exclusive-schools-must-return-normal-july-19-tory-mps-warn-boris/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1625085738
    What? Must return to normal summer holiday? 😎
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    When are we expecting the social media rumour about the senior cabinet minister to break?
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    BigRich said:

    How many of the cases we're picking up are asymptomatic?

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    As its mostly in young people and a very large propotion of the cases are Asyptomatic.

    The the UKs mass testing in schools collages and University's. is probably a big factor in the number of cases.
    Yes, that will skew things enormously. But is there not a good estimate of the number of current cases in the country, whether tested or not? Surely there must be. There must be a capability for getting a good estimate of that number (and an assessment of distribution geographically and demographically) for biowar defence reasons as well as health provision in peacetime. I wonder what the CFR for delta is when "C" is estimated like that, rather than obtained with false precision by totting up positive test results. "Confirmed cases" isn't such a useful statistic really.
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