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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    England were the better team in the first half too.

    2-0 is a great result, and it was a great performance, take that any day.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Meanwhile, I don't know if anyone noticed amidst all the excitement, but the Covid hospital patient figures have now been updated as far as Sunday and they still look pretty decent. Up by only about 10% week-on-week, running well below the trend of cases from about a fortnight ago. Encouraging.

    Hospitalisation to Case ratio will only ever keep going down as long as we keep doing vaccinations. 👍
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    England were the better team in the first half too.

    2-0 is a great result, and it was a great performance, take that any day.
    Werner scores the one on one in the first half and it could have been a different story.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Stocky said:

    Great call @Stocky hope you got good odds!

    13.5, backed it at half-time. I'm kicking myself for only betting a puny £4.
    Betting is about being right not the sums you win

    (this is a lie to make you feel better)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Which is where many England managers have failed. Thinking they 'have to' play certain players.

    You need a team that can work together and get the job done. There are no must-have players.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    edited June 2021

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    England were the better team in the first half too.

    2-0 is a great result, and it was a great performance, take that any day.
    It was a great result of course and England was the better side on the night but both teams weren't stepping up and it came down to four or five chances, Muller and Pickford.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Quite a good bet in the Sweden vs Ukraine match if you have Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook - Seb Larsson to be booked at 9/2
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    ydoethur said:

    I seem to have strayed into the wrong forum. You all seem obsessed with some minor sporting event.

    You can tell its a minor sporting event because Greece have won it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    edited June 2021

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    England actually beat Germany 1-0 in Euro 2000, but everyone’s forgotten that, presumably because neither team got out of the group.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Stocky said:

    Well I have to say that was some poor and curmudgeonly commentary by PB.com.

    Superb performance by England.

    Contained Germany well in first ten minutes then dominated throughout. If it wasn't for that poor pass by Stirling I'd say flawless by England.

    Absolutely. People on here don't know jack shit about the game. They're all jumpers for goalposts.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    edited June 2021

    Sandpit said:

    BigRich said:

    Well, that was good want it. :)

    I'm not normally a football person, but, what's next, do we know who the England Team are playing next? and when?

    Winner of Sweden v Ukraine, who are about to kick off. Saturday night.
    And Sweden and Ukraine are the rank outsiders in the betting, 50 and 85 respectively, so we will be expecting to win in Rome on Saturday to get through to the semi-finals.
    Mrs Sandpit is cheering on for Ukraine now, and has agreed to go to the pub with me on Saturday in Ukranian National Dress, if that’s the fixture!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620

    England actually beat Germany 1-0 in Euro 2000, but everyone’s forgotten that, presumably because neither team got out of the group.

    That wasn't a knockout match.

    England's knockout record against major sides since then is so bad. Like pineapple on pizza bad.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Today's Sturgeon vs Burnham Lancashire update:

    Manchester (now no longer condemned): 435.4 cases per 100k
    Blackburn with Darwen (still condemned): 491.7 cases per 100k

    Edinburgh: 503.7 cases per 100k (and Dundee, Midlothian and East Lothian are all even worse)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Which is where many England managers have failed. Thinking they 'have to' play certain players.

    You need a team that can work together and get the job done. There are no must-have players.
    Spot on.

    This is Euro 2020 not a fantasy video game.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    England actually beat Germany 1-0 in Euro 2000, but everyone’s forgotten that, presumably because neither team got out of the group.

    Plus as a result it got rather overshadowed by the game in Germany the following year, when even Heskey scored.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    one thing that people really need to remember in this day and age is that any photo that provides a flat surface can be very easily abused

    image

    200 grand on a sofa and he can't even use it...
    There appears to be a wooden stick with condom on end in front the television. 😶
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,353
    Alistair said:

    ydoethur said:

    I seem to have strayed into the wrong forum. You all seem obsessed with some minor sporting event.

    You can tell its a minor sporting event because Greece have won it.
    Well, that’s appropriate as it’s all Greek to me anyway.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Grealish has boyband good looks. You really see that when his alice band comes off. Gosh. 💜💜
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    England were the better team in the first half too.

    2-0 is a great result, and it was a great performance, take that any day.
    Werner scores the one on one in the first half and it could have been a different story.
    You can say that about any match.
  • And meanwhile Everton sneak out during the game, via a journo, that Benitez is now our manager.
    Bugger!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Well I have to say that was some poor and curmudgeonly commentary by PB.com.

    Superb performance by England.

    Contained Germany well in first ten minutes then dominated throughout. If it wasn't for that poor pass by Stirling I'd say flawless by England.

    Absolutely. People on here don't know jack shit about the game. They're all jumpers for goalposts.
    If I might interject a note of caution - football is a ball-achingly low scoring game. It's all right grinding out low scores defensively in rugby or cricket because you can keep the scoreboard ticking over. But 70 minutes of defensive play in football can easily become 90. The moment of inspiration doesn't ways come - like the Scotland match. The defence doesn't always hold - like the Iceland match. If you're George Graham's Arsenal and you've got 42 matches to eke out, you can play the averages. But over a seven game tournament it doesn't strike me as an obviously sound tactic.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Tory gain in B&S surely nailed on now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,862
    edited June 2021
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    BigRich said:

    Well, that was good want it. :)

    I'm not normally a football person, but, what's next, do we know who the England Team are playing next? and when?

    Winner of Sweden v Ukraine, who are about to kick off. Saturday night.
    And Sweden and Ukraine are the rank outsiders in the betting, 50 and 85 respectively, so we will be expecting to win in Rome on Saturday to get through to the semi-finals.
    Mrs Sandpit is cheering on for Ukraine now, and has agreed to go to the pub with me on Saturday in Ukranian National Dress, if that’s the fixture!
    I'm no marriage guidance counsellor but that guarantees one of you will be severely not up for it after the game. :wink:
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    👀👀
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    kinabalu said:

    Grealish has boyband good looks. You really see that when his alice band comes off. Gosh. 💜💜

    He is pretty rubbish at football though, hard to see why he is idolised
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    England probably quite lucky to win 2-0


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,353
    isam said:

    👀👀

    Bloody hell. That’s one scary new variant.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Not a footie fan I see. No shame in that.
    lol - you just get back to the old boxing vids.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    gealbhan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    one thing that people really need to remember in this day and age is that any photo that provides a flat surface can be very easily abused

    image

    200 grand on a sofa and he can't even use it...
    There appears to be a wooden stick with condom on end in front the television. 😶
    That's the post match celebrations sorted then...... :blush:
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,870
    Evening all :)

    On the Government's dashboard, Newham's "performance" on vaccine rollout is clear to see.

    In terms of first doses, 53% of the adult population has been vaccinated - only Westminster (52.9%) is worse.

    For both doses, Newham, at 31% is third worst behind Hackney & City of London and Tower Hamlets which has just 27% of adults doubly vaccinated.

    London (62% first doses, 40.5% both doses) trails the rest of the UK by some way.

    Are we to assume all the vaccine "refusers" are in London? That seems a broad assumption and perhaps suggests some other factors at work.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    Cookie said:

    Betfair prices & implied probabilities:-

    1 England 3.15 31.7%
    2 Spain 4.3 23.3%
    3 Italy 5.5 18.2%
    4 Belgium 9 11.1%
    5 Denmark 12.5 8.0%
    =6 Czechia 30 3.3%
    =6 Switzerland 30 3.3%
    8 Sweden 50 2.0%
    9 Ukraine 85 1.2%
    All quoted.

    That's presumably skewed by overexcited England fans though?
    Though - though I hate to say it, and I will never believe England will win on ITV - England look favourites to get to the final now.

    Belgium looks good value to me, though maybe the lack of De Bruyne will hurt them.
    Even with the skew our side of the draw only has a 46.2% chance of winning. Shows how unbalanced the draw has become.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Gnud said:

    From a Scottish pro-independence POV the ideal time for an indyref rerun would be shortly after England has won an international sporting competition, such as the World Cup or the Euros. The sight of the British prime minister and other British leaders, and some English ones too, celebrating the victory, congratulating the team, etc., would be enough to drive a proportion of "soft Noers" completely over the edge. Never mind that England played knockabout recently to try to help Scotland with a nil-all draw.

    The effect could accumulate from as early as now, if England goes from success to success in the sporting world. So separatists, take down those German flags! Be as cunning at politics as you think you are! Oh wait - is something getting in the way?

    Andrew Wilson, former SNP MSP, has been saying this for years.
    Well, SKS gave us the afternoon off to support England & wave our St George's Flags, and that was just for the last 16.

    Presumably if England get to the finals and actually win it, Boris and SKS will be vying with each other for the biggest bribes.

    Boris will give every natural born Englishman the rest of the year off work & twenty grand in their pockets.
    It's the next 55 years that would be uppermost in people's minds north of the border.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Floater said:

    gealbhan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    one thing that people really need to remember in this day and age is that any photo that provides a flat surface can be very easily abused

    image

    200 grand on a sofa and he can't even use it...
    There appears to be a wooden stick with condom on end in front the television. 😶
    That's the post match celebrations sorted then...... :blush:
    Or half time?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,722
    Mrs Merkel.. your boys took a hell of a beating.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Well I have to say that was some poor and curmudgeonly commentary by PB.com.

    Superb performance by England.

    Contained Germany well in first ten minutes then dominated throughout. If it wasn't for that poor pass by Stirling I'd say flawless by England.

    Absolutely. People on here don't know jack shit about the game. They're all jumpers for goalposts.
    If I might interject a note of caution - football is a ball-achingly low scoring game. It's all right grinding out low scores defensively in rugby or cricket because you can keep the scoreboard ticking over. But 70 minutes of defensive play in football can easily become 90. The moment of inspiration doesn't ways come - like the Scotland match. The defence doesn't always hold - like the Iceland match. If you're George Graham's Arsenal and you've got 42 matches to eke out, you can play the averages. But over a seven game tournament it doesn't strike me as an obviously sound tactic.
    It's how we win it. But of course you need the breaks too. And that Muller miss - well.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    On the Government's dashboard, Newham's "performance" on vaccine rollout is clear to see.

    In terms of first doses, 53% of the adult population has been vaccinated - only Westminster (52.9%) is worse.

    For both doses, Newham, at 31% is third worst behind Hackney & City of London and Tower Hamlets which has just 27% of adults doubly vaccinated.

    London (62% first doses, 40.5% both doses) trails the rest of the UK by some way.

    Are we to assume all the vaccine "refusers" are in London? That seems a broad assumption and perhaps suggests some other factors at work.

    Age distribution? Transience?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,058
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    Take note, Boris.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson

    Boris seems to be trying to prove his football lad credentials by 2 photos of him watching different TVs in different places. Anyone would think he'd been getting on with life during the match and wedged in a couple of photo ops rather than actually sat down and watched.

    A rare occurance of good governance and bad politics from him.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2021
    Glad I didn’t back Germany @7/1 this morning

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AaPl5xwX_-w
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    On the Government's dashboard, Newham's "performance" on vaccine rollout is clear to see.

    In terms of first doses, 53% of the adult population has been vaccinated - only Westminster (52.9%) is worse.

    For both doses, Newham, at 31% is third worst behind Hackney & City of London and Tower Hamlets which has just 27% of adults doubly vaccinated.

    London (62% first doses, 40.5% both doses) trails the rest of the UK by some way.

    Are we to assume all the vaccine "refusers" are in London? That seems a broad assumption and perhaps suggests some other factors at work.

    I think the working assumption is that the NIMS data for London is flawed. As well as refusers etc
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    malcolmg said:

    Stocky said:

    malcolmg said:

    Stocky said:

    You guys must be watching a different match to me. Apart from first ten minutes England has been the better side. Playing really well I think - better than the first three matches added together. Saka and Walker particularly good.

    I've just backed England 2-0.

    you would have been as well throwing it down a drain
    !

    Cough up drain
    what odds did you get
    13.5
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    “ any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.”.

    Watch Arsenal. Pick any game.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Not a footie fan I see. No shame in that.
    lol - you just get back to the old boxing vids.
    Yep I do that also. Either you have a sporting eye or you don't.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,580
    ping said:

    Glad I didn’t back Germany @7/1 this morning

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AaPl5xwX_-w

    I did :(
  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 319
    A Farewell Message to Matt Hancock

    Dr John Reid, now Lord Reid of Cardowan, served as a minister in several government departments under Tony Blair, before, in 2003, being appointed Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. In fact, his doctorate was not a medical one, but a PhD from the University of Sterling on the slave trade in Dahomey in the 19th century. It was reported in Private Eye magazine that Dr Reid had greeted the news of his new job with the words, ‘Oh f*ck, not health’. He subsequently served as Minister of Defence and then Home Secretary, but his reaction was understandable. The Minister of Health is ultimately the person where the buck stops when problems arise in the NHS. They get blamed when things go wrong, and are rarely thanked when things go right, as they do much of the time.

    Being the Minister of Health is a challenging position, but it is one that is not made easier by the short time that most of the incumbents have stayed in post. Since the founding of the NHS, there have been 31 ministers. Several were in post for less than a year, and most have lasted less than two. It is all too easy when things have gone seriously wrong, for a minister to announce, often to a fanfare of approval, that there will be a public inquiry. Almost inevitably, however, by the time the inquiry reports, there will be a new minister in post and the issues which were fresh in the mind when the inquiry was established will have faded from public awareness, and their recommendations for future action can be quietly ignored.

    Every new minister, when asked for his plans, says, ‘The last thing that the NHS needs is more organisational change’. This is followed shortly afterwards by yet another re-organisation, or the creation of yet another supervisory body. The Commission for Health Improvement (CHI) was turned into the Healthcare Commission which, in turn, became the Care Quality Commission (CQC). Monitor became NHS Improvement, and then disappeared completely. The NHS Litigation Authority was re-branded as NHS Resolution. GP Fundholding and primary care trusts (PCTs) came and went. The NHS Trust Development Authority (NHSTDA) was established in 2012 and then suddenly vanished.

    Even the title of the government minister has undergone repeated change. It was Minister of Health until 1968, Secretary of State for Health and Social Services until 1988, Secretary of State for Health until 2018 and then Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. Each of these organisational changes was no doubt expensive and disruptive for those involved, but did not, as far as I can establish, help a single patient to receive improved care. What it did do, however, was allow ministers to show that they were ‘doing something’, although they were rarely around long enough to see the fruits of their labours.



    (Amended with the author's permission from LIFELINE by Dr Barry Monk (2021); available from the usual booksellers
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited June 2021
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Well I have to say that was some poor and curmudgeonly commentary by PB.com.

    Superb performance by England.

    Contained Germany well in first ten minutes then dominated throughout. If it wasn't for that poor pass by Stirling I'd say flawless by England.

    Absolutely. People on here don't know jack shit about the game. They're all jumpers for goalposts.
    If I might interject a note of caution - football is a ball-achingly low scoring game. It's all right grinding out low scores defensively in rugby or cricket because you can keep the scoreboard ticking over. But 70 minutes of defensive play in football can easily become 90. The moment of inspiration doesn't ways come - like the Scotland match. The defence doesn't always hold - like the Iceland match. If you're George Graham's Arsenal and you've got 42 matches to eke out, you can play the averages. But over a seven game tournament it doesn't strike me as an obviously sound tactic.
    But works impressively well in baseball. And, to be honest, I find the pitchers' duels far more compelling than the high-scoring games. Going into the 9th at 0-0 means it's been a spectacular game.

    And it is even more the case in the play-offs vs the regular season.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620

    And meanwhile Everton sneak out during the game, via a journo, that Benitez is now our manager.
    Bugger!

    You're lucky to have him.

    You don't deserve him.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    England actually beat Germany 1-0 in Euro 2000, but everyone’s forgotten that, presumably because neither team got out of the group.

    Never forget the last game. Level. Just need to see it out to progress. Over the airwaves comes the great insight from Keegan “Keep believing Scholesy”. Not a bit of tactical advice, just some bullshit. Knew we were doomed...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    isam said:

    England probably quite lucky to win 2-0


    For me an objectively totally fair result would have been 1.5 / 0.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Ventilators continue to tick upwards in the North West which seems a bit disconnected with the other data.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    England probably quite lucky to win 2-0


    For me an objectively totally fair result would have been 1.5 / 0.
    Only one decimal place? ;)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    gealbhan said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    “ any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.”.

    Watch Arsenal. Pick any game.
    Oh I have watched Arsenal. If it had been Arsenal 2-0 up with ten minutes to go I would have been really worried.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    On the Government's dashboard, Newham's "performance" on vaccine rollout is clear to see.

    In terms of first doses, 53% of the adult population has been vaccinated - only Westminster (52.9%) is worse.

    For both doses, Newham, at 31% is third worst behind Hackney & City of London and Tower Hamlets which has just 27% of adults doubly vaccinated.

    London (62% first doses, 40.5% both doses) trails the rest of the UK by some way.

    Are we to assume all the vaccine "refusers" are in London? That seems a broad assumption and perhaps suggests some other factors at work.

    I think the working assumption is that the NIMS data for London is flawed. As well as refusers etc
    It's at least partly refusers. I distinctly remember the links to the breakdown by primary care partnership being posted on here a couple of months back, and working out that nearly all the lowest ranking areas for vaccine coverage were in London, with a couple of them in Birmingham. The other major urban areas, notably up North, had done relatively better.

    This correlates well with the known issues with vaccine take-up in ethnic minority groups - significantly worse amongst black people than those of Asian descent. London and the West Midlands are the two regions of England where the percentage of black people amongst the population is above the national average.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    You compare to how teams like Italy or Spain have moved the ball around in possession and today's England performance was very poor. But we won, and we get to try again in the next match.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Alistair said:

    Ventilators continue to tick upwards in the North West which seems a bit disconnected with the other data.

    Younger hospital patients more likely to benefit so usage goes up relative to total hospital patients number as the intake skews younger. As long as overall hospital data stays good it's actually a negative manifestation of a positive trend.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,407
    England are just over 2/1 to win the tournament over on Betfair at present.

    That seems a clear lay to me. They are bound to lengthen.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Alistair said:

    Ventilators continue to tick upwards in the North West which seems a bit disconnected with the other data.

    This has been previously discussed. One theory advanced is that, amongst the much-reduced flow of Covid patients into hospital beds, more of them are young and those unlucky enough to become seriously ill are more likely to end up on ventilators because the medical profession deems that such radical intervention is more likely to do them some good than it is with the very old. But I don't know how much - if any - truth there is to that suggestion.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,870


    I think the working assumption is that the NIMS data for London is flawed. As well as refusers etc

    I've heard @MaxPB argue this but just because he says it, doesn't make it so.

    In any case, if NIMS is overstating London population by 10%, that still doesn't make Newham look too clever. I'd also add there seems no provision for the "undocumented" population in my part of the world. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who simply live off the grid, avoiding any interaction with the authorities, living and working (perhaps existing is the best word) within their own communities on a cash-only basis.

    I may be wrong and such people don't exist but I suspect I'm not.

    I suspect few of these will be vaccinated.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973
    Jimmy Anderson fitness training at the Riverside after doing commentary today, during the football. Might explain why he’s taken a few wickets over the years. https://twitter.com/willis_macp/status/1409922780775301121?s=20
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,213
    Anyone told Lee Anderson the final score yet?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Ventilators continue to tick upwards in the North West which seems a bit disconnected with the other data.

    This has been previously discussed. One theory advanced is that, amongst the much-reduced flow of Covid patients into hospital beds, more of them are young and those unlucky enough to become seriously ill are more likely to end up on ventilators because the medical profession deems that such radical intervention is more likely to do them some good than it is with the very old. But I don't know how much - if any - truth there is to that suggestion.
    That seems plausible for a general trend but that isn't happening in Scotland or the North West where ventilator numbers are fairly static after an initial rise.

    So the NW seems a bit anomalous.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973
    Dan Hodges twitter during and after the match makes Leon comments look optimistic.....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    You compare to how teams like Italy or Spain have moved the ball around in possession and today's England performance was very poor. But we won, and we get to try again in the next match.
    Yep absolutely.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    edited June 2021
    So the new German coach is Hansi Flick? Literally herr Flick?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    BigRich said:

    Well, that was good want it. :)

    I'm not normally a football person, but, what's next, do we know who the England Team are playing next? and when?

    Winner of Sweden v Ukraine, who are about to kick off. Saturday night.
    And Sweden and Ukraine are the rank outsiders in the betting, 50 and 85 respectively, so we will be expecting to win in Rome on Saturday to get through to the semi-finals.
    Mrs Sandpit is cheering on for Ukraine now, and has agreed to go to the pub with me on Saturday in Ukranian National Dress, if that’s the fixture!
    I'm no marriage guidance counsellor but that guarantees one of you will be severely not up for it after the game. :wink:
    All’s fair in love and war...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,785
    Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973
    I was very confused by this....

    BILD's player ratings:

    Neuer 2
    Ginter 4
    Hummels 3
    Rüdiger 5
    Kimmich 4
    Goretzka 3
    Kroos 3
    Gosens 4
    Müller 5
    Havertz 2
    Werner 5

    Gnabry 5
    Can -
    Sané -
    Musiala -

    Löw 4

    ----

    Until I was told it is was out of 6 and 1 being the best.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Back at Wimbledon, Serena Williams has done herself a mischief. She is trying to play on but very emotional. Not sure how long she'll be able to keep on going for. It's very sad.

    Yep, that's it, alas.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    You compare to how teams like Italy or Spain have moved the ball around in possession and today's England performance was very poor. But we won, and we get to try again in the next match.
    And yet we won the game in regular time by two clear goals, conceding none, while they conceded four goals between them and neither of them won in regular time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    MaxPB said:

    Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

    To think the Welsh and Scots say we're arrogant.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    So. We have Benitez.
    To say that is controversial would be putting it mildly.
    Meantime Spurs don't have any bugger at all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973
    edited June 2021
    Seeing the scenes at fan parks, it looks like we will be testing this idea that covid is being spread (in part) by footy fans and that outdoor mixing isn't as safe as it used to be with previous variants.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,353

    MaxPB said:

    Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

    To think the Welsh and Scots say we're arrogant.
    Well, you are.

    The English are the only race I know so smug that they don’t even feel the need to boast about their brilliance.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    edited June 2021

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    You compare to how teams like Italy or Spain have moved the ball around in possession and today's England performance was very poor. But we won, and we get to try again in the next match.
    And yet we won the game in regular time by two clear goals, conceding none, while they conceded four goals between them and neither of them won in regular time.
    You sound like a Boris fan so what if he is a lying cheating shit be is popular.

    The problem is not that they are not playing the beautiful game it is that this style of play is super vulnerable to an attacking fluid team. Which Germany wasn't this evening.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    You compare to how teams like Italy or Spain have moved the ball around in possession and today's England performance was very poor. But we won, and we get to try again in the next match.
    We won't let them do that.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    So the new German coach is Hansi Flick? Literally herr Flick?

    Yes

    The commentator said he was "Joachim Loew's old assistant" during the game, and I thought he'd said it was his older sister!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009

    South Yorkshire won England that match.

    Stones, Walker, and Maguire.

    Two Sheffield lads and a Dingle.

    It is why we haven't conceded a goal all tournament.

    I've just opened a bottle of Treboom Brewery "Yorkshire Sparkle". Either in their honour, or because it was the only bottle in the fridge.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    Back at Wimbledon, Serena Williams has done herself a mischief. She is trying to play on but very emotional. Not sure how long she'll be able to keep on going for. It's very sad.

    Yep, that's it, alas.

    And Rog a bit fortunate with similar happening to his opponent.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,973
    At least one in 20 children were absent from state schools in England because of Covid within the last week, as official figures reveal a 66% increase in the number of pupils with confirmed coronavirus infections.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/29/one-in-20-children-missed-school-in-england-due-to-covid-as-cases-rise-66
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    MaxPB said:

    Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

    Mmm and YOU saying we had no chance against Germany. ☺
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,862

    I was very confused by this....

    BILD's player ratings:

    Neuer 2
    Ginter 4
    Hummels 3
    Rüdiger 5
    Kimmich 4
    Goretzka 3
    Kroos 3
    Gosens 4
    Müller 5
    Havertz 2
    Werner 5

    Gnabry 5
    Can -
    Sané -
    Musiala -

    Löw 4

    ----

    Until I was told it is was out of 6 and 1 being the best.

    Wasn't this (foreign scoring systems) why "everyone" believes Einstein was no good at maths?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,232
    Beating Germany. In a knockout. What a pleasant feeling

    One can’t help noticing that this has not happened since we joined the European Union. As soon as we Brexit - bingo

    The nation advances
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Twenty minutes in the first half and 5-10 in the second. The rest was pretty dire if we're honest.

    Nope - it was good. Nobody's expecting Brazil 70 or France 84 or Holland 88.
    Well England could play like that, they have the players.....
    I actually thought they would step up today. They didn't but did enough with the chances they made.
    No, it was absolutely clear from the selection what the tactics were. Obviously if England win, Southgate will go down a brilliant manager, but to have no Mount, no Foden, no Grealish, no Sancho on the pitch....most international teams would be trying to find a way to get all of them in the team.
    Yes my heart did sink when I saw the team sheet and often there were 11 England players in our own half. But the tempo was disappointing even for a defensive formation.
    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say the end justified the means - If we play the same formation and players when we are big favs in the next round, it will be quite disappointing
    Agree. The first thing most of the starting 11 did when they got the ball, wherever they were, was turn round to face Pickford.
    Almost as if controlling the game and playing out from the back can work.
    They weren't building. And any side can control the game on their own 18 yard box.

    It works if the opposition don't take their chances. If they do you're fucked.
    You compare to how teams like Italy or Spain have moved the ball around in possession and today's England performance was very poor. But we won, and we get to try again in the next match.
    Yep absolutely.
    lol - the pretence continues. Totally shameless. ☺
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    England are just over 2/1 to win the tournament over on Betfair at present.

    That seems a clear lay to me. They are bound to lengthen.

    I'm a bull but that is silly.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,243
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

    To think the Welsh and Scots say we're arrogant.
    Well, you are.

    The English are the only race I know so smug that they don’t even feel the need to boast about their brilliance.
    I had £2 on Germany to win 3-0 and for the sake of my Anglo-Saxon mates (who are good blokes, really, though a little rough-hewn) it was a bet I am happy to lose. But if the blackshirts had converted their two good chances before England scored it would have been a very different story. A more even game than the scoreline suggests.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    stodge said:


    I think the working assumption is that the NIMS data for London is flawed. As well as refusers etc

    I've heard @MaxPB argue this but just because he says it, doesn't make it so.

    In any case, if NIMS is overstating London population by 10%, that still doesn't make Newham look too clever. I'd also add there seems no provision for the "undocumented" population in my part of the world. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of people who simply live off the grid, avoiding any interaction with the authorities, living and working (perhaps existing is the best word) within their own communities on a cash-only basis.

    I may be wrong and such people don't exist but I suspect I'm not.

    I suspect few of these will be vaccinated.
    It might be worth noting that Covid cases for Newham at the moment have it down as one of the better performing boroughs - which could indicate serious overestimates in population.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,232
    kinabalu said:

    England are just over 2/1 to win the tournament over on Betfair at present.

    That seems a clear lay to me. They are bound to lengthen.

    I'm a bull but that is silly.
    England are the last serious, independent nation left in the championships. The rest are minor EU regions with poxy languages that eat fish heads
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,353
    My word, thriller brewing at Cardiff. 13 off the last and two wickets left.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,232

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Can we just take a minute and remember Big_G predicting Wales to go through and England to go out.

    To think the Welsh and Scots say we're arrogant.
    Well, you are.

    The English are the only race I know so smug that they don’t even feel the need to boast about their brilliance.
    I had £2 on Germany to win 3-0 and for the sake of my Anglo-Saxon mates (who are good blokes, really, though a little rough-hewn) it was a bet I am happy to lose. But if the blackshirts had converted their two good chances before England scored it would have been a very different story. A more even game than the scoreline suggests.
    If my granny had a beak for a mouth and a poisoned anal barb she’d be a duck-billed platypus
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