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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    Alistair said:

    When "Cummings to Durham" broke I immediately chucked 100 quid on him staying.

    This time something made me stay my hand and I did not bet.

    Feeling pretty happy right now.

    Yes, Wales getting hammered makes all happy now.
    I am sure England will get hammered by Germany, and everyone bar the English will be absolutely delighted. (After all, England's lumbering attack has scored fewer goals than the Welsh).

    Normally, an early exit for the England team minimises the amount of vandalism, racism & violence associated with any given tournament.

    Oh, I am sorry. I remember.

    When the Scots and Welsh support ABE, that is evidence of our bad anti-English attitude.
    You need to be more like Mark Drakeford.

    Those who understand Wales realised he was an awesome guy as well as politician and would do well, unlike you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    eek said:

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1408490348184281099



    Jo Maugham
    @JolyonMaugham
    Why we are referring a series of transactions involving the Prime Minister's advisor Munira Mirza, Priti Patel and Matt Hancock to the Serious Fraud Office. THREA

    An outrageous accusation. Handing out £107m contracts without tender to your friends, patrons, mum and pub landlord is entirely above board as BigG and Charles endlessly insist.
    It had to be done in a hurry or else we would be in the mess the EU are in, whose policy Labour fought for us to join, successfully seen off by the wisdom of Boris.
  • borisatsunborisatsun Posts: 188
    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour have moved from 4.5 to 7.2 in Batley & Spen over the last 24 hours.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.183248116

    Because I backed them at 4.6 earlier?

    There must surely be a poll out, 7 is amazing otherwise
    Has an incumbent party hold ever been considered less likely in by election betting ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Anyhoo, must dash, need to rework the morning thread entitled

    'Hancock can survive if England beat Germany on Tuesday.'
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    He will be a darn sight better Health Secretary, for one.
  • AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337

    Two views:

    Stig Abell
    @StigAbell
    This will be an unpopular view but I do think that Hancock has had an incredibly difficult year, where he has worked against the odds in a sometimes impossible job. I am sure he tried his best. He definitely needed to go, but this sort of family angst is hard to gloat over.


    Allison Pearson
    @AllisonPearson
    ·
    14m
    Are you kidding? He was responsible for the deaths of thousands of elderly people discharged from hospital into care homes. He lied and said he’d put a “ring of steel” around them!
    He imposed harsh, cruel rules on others which he was happy to break himself.

    You can side with the human being or you can side with Allison Pearson. Your decision is a mark of whether you have common humanity.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    gealbhan said:

    It leaves open the question of who put the camera there, which is probably not the same as who leaked it to the Sun.

    The Telegraph suggests that security in government buildings is usually handled by private companies. Remarkable if true.

    Is there much of a defence of national interest, or should those who likely received a huge pay day from the sun whilst also breaking their terms of employment and the OSA be perused and fired, or even jailed?
    No they have done the nation a favour getting rid of a complete lying no good crooked chancer. Medal more appropriate.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour have moved from 4.5 to 7.2 in Batley & Spen over the last 24 hours.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.183248116

    Because I backed them at 4.6 earlier?

    There must surely be a poll out, 7 is amazing otherwise
    Has an incumbent party hold ever been considered less likely in by election betting ?
    Yes, Norwich North and Crewe & Nantwich I recall seem to be much higher.

    Probably same for Corby.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour have moved from 4.5 to 7.2 in Batley & Spen over the last 24 hours.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.183248116

    Because I backed them at 4.6 earlier?

    There must surely be a poll out, 7 is amazing otherwise
    Has an incumbent party hold ever been considered less likely in by election betting ?
    Astonishing really. How can they be 6/1???
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    If you want a holibobs, book the Balearics NOW. They are desperate for business, you can get 4 star hotels for 2-3 star prices, the hotels are 30% full in July so you can enjoy superb service and empty pools

    It’s pretty much perfect, and they’re going Green on Wednesday. No quarantine. You don’t even need a test to come out

    I'm on Barra and it's pretty fucking cool. Just back from St Kilda so it feels like New York. It has cars! Human inhabitants! Two bars!!
    Enjoy! I shall be back there in September. Tis wonderful.

    (Although jealous about St. Kilda. On the Bucket List....)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    He has been excellent in his current role, even Sadiq Khan has praised him

    And I believe his profession was in chemical engineering
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Sounds like a good chose to me, the minister that led the one part of our Pandemic response that has rightly been a widely acclaimed successes.


    Yes its a big promotion, but it would set a principle of do well - get promoted, which is good, his old job is coming to an end so this would be a simple things to do, no need for a big reshuffle, and his past job will have given him some experience of dealing with the NHS/heath department, so less time needed to get him fully briefed up at what is a busy time for the NHS.

    I spoke to some people who where at his selection to be the Tory candidate, apparently he came across as head and shoulders above all the rest, one of the people who was on the committee told me, a (safe) seat like ours has an obligation to find people who can be good cabinet ministers, and that why they chose him.
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298
    edited June 2021
    "One of the greatest successes of the modern state"!

    Boris Johnson's reply to Matt Hancock's resignation letter.

    This is how Boris Johnson signs his name:

    image
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Actually looking at it the Tories were definitely longer in the Clacton by election, I guess the same would be in Rochester & Strood.

    But those are rare circumstances.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    dixiedean said:

    So let me understand.
    On Thursday night Hancock announced he's leaving his family, for his Mistress, who is on the government payroll, on his say so.
    And he, and the PM thought he could brazen it out?
    We need to be told exactly how long this has been going on.

    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this is a Charles/Camilla thing and has been going on and for years/decade.

    Like Hancock, Prince Charles went to the University of Cambridge.

    What is it with the finest university in the world producing so many fornicators and adulterers?
    Tbf, they do produce some quite exceptional shits.
    And spies!
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.
    This, a hundred times over - a reminder for the many right-wing dimwits who live on this blog.

    If Hancock has resigned why hasn't the disingenuous racist fat fornicator (many times over)?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    gealbhan said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bye. Good riddance. Lying hypocritical twat.

    Agreed and his successor needs to confirm freedom on the 19th July
    Virus permitting. That little virus has been rather forgotten in Tory discourse of late. (But it would be nice, I entirely agree.)
    Infection rates are certainly upwardly mobile, not just in UK but outside. In some UK places hospitalisation rates doubling, though from a low base number.

    It depends if link between infection and hospital treatment and death is broken. Some say proven. Some say not proven yet.

    Vaccines seem to be working at breaking that link in my opinion. If the next couple of weeks prove they are not, the government may have to lock us down even more than we currently are. That will deflate all of us.

    The disappointing thing could turn out to be, racing ahead of the rest of the world in vaccination allows variants too much freedom to form elsewhere and then stop us from relaxing and declaring victory. 😕
    Seems unlikely. It's always worth repeating that the evidence from the places that have been hit soonest and hardest by Delta, allied to that showing very high rates of protection from the vaccines against serious illness, points to a satisfactory outcome. The disease is undoubtedly going to seek out and kill some of the remaining vulnerable - overwhelmingly amongst the unvaccinated, and old people for whom vaccines haven't worked that well - but there's nothing to suggest at this stage that the hospitals will get swamped or come anywhere close to so being. And, without that, there's no excuse for domestic restrictions, because the ongoing harm that they cause will exceed their residual benefit.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour have moved from 4.5 to 7.2 in Batley & Spen over the last 24 hours.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.183248116

    Because I backed them at 4.6 earlier?

    There must surely be a poll out, 7 is amazing otherwise
    It is strange, except there isn't much liquidity in the market atm, so it could be a small number of punters making a big difference to the numbers.
    What does 4.6 to 7 mean.. doesn't that mean Galloway is chewing Labour votes...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    If you want a holibobs, book the Balearics NOW. They are desperate for business, you can get 4 star hotels for 2-3 star prices, the hotels are 30% full in July so you can enjoy superb service and empty pools

    It’s pretty much perfect, and they’re going Green on Wednesday. No quarantine. You don’t even need a test to come out

    I'm on Barra and it's pretty fucking cool. Just back from St Kilda so it feels like New York. It has cars! Human inhabitants! Two bars!!
    Enjoy! I shall be back there in September. Tis wonderful.

    (Although jealous about St. Kilda. On the Bucket List....)
    Got dive bombed by skuas and vomited at by a fulmar. Fucking birds. On the plus side saw and heard a corncrake on pabbay this morning.

    Get to St Kilda, whatever it takes. It is magical.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Alistair said:

    When "Cummings to Durham" broke I immediately chucked 100 quid on him staying.

    This time something made me stay my hand and I did not bet.

    Feeling pretty happy right now.

    Yes, Wales getting hammered makes all happy now.
    I am sure England will get hammered by Germany, and everyone bar the English will be absolutely delighted. (After all, England's lumbering attack has scored fewer goals than the Welsh).

    Normally, an early exit for the England team minimises the amount of vandalism, racism & violence associated with any given tournament.

    Oh, I am sorry. I remember.

    When the Scots and Welsh support ABE, that is evidence of our bad anti-English attitude.
    You need to be more like Mark Drakeford.

    Those who understand Wales realised he was an awesome guy as well as politician and would do well, unlike you.
    Ah yes, now let me see. Our last little exchange was on George Osborne's jobs.

    You promised little George only had the one job, honour bright.

    https://tinyurl.com/ymj9jszd

    It was the usual pile of offal from TSE.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    He has been excellent in his current role, even Sadiq Khan has praised him

    And I believe his profession was in chemical engineering
    He was Co-Founder setting up YouGov, so has experience with statistics and as an entrapner/manager.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    gealbhan said:

    Aslan said:

    Gnud said:

    How the feck is George Galloway using the honorific Honourable?

    Is he the younger son of an Earl or maybe the son of a Viscount or Baron?

    It's for the two Pakistani awards he holds: the Hilal-I-Qaid-I-​Azzam (Crescent of the Great Leader) and the Hilali-I-Pakistan (Crescent of Pakistan).

    https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/652949163576041472
    Galloway is for British Muslims what Trump is for American Evangelicals. Someone that gives them permission for their bigotry and they adore him for it.
    Except that American Evangelicals did not adore Trump. VP Mike Pence was the Evangelicals' man. You might recall Trump, for whom everything is transactional, publicly complaining that Evangelicals had not rewarded him for his Israel policy.
    What Galloway will do is play the division card to get the Islamic vote, and then claim Starmer is out of step with Labour supporters. It really is the most shallow and dishonest politics, to burn and spurn and sow disunity and division rather than the hard work of building and uniting. For turning his back on doing the right thing he doesn’t deserve a single vote. Even Tories and Tory press should support the Labour candidate here to ensure Galloway does not end up with the biggest grin.
    The Tories will be supporting the Conservative candidate, who’s now the clear favourite with the left vote split.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    Alistair said:

    When "Cummings to Durham" broke I immediately chucked 100 quid on him staying.

    This time something made me stay my hand and I did not bet.

    Feeling pretty happy right now.

    Yes, Wales getting hammered makes all happy now.
    I am sure England will get hammered by Germany, and everyone bar the English will be absolutely delighted. (After all, England's lumbering attack has scored fewer goals than the Welsh).

    Normally, an early exit for the England team minimises the amount of vandalism, racism & violence associated with any given tournament.

    Oh, I am sorry. I remember.

    When the Scots and Welsh support ABE, that is evidence of our bad anti-English attitude.
    You need to be more like Mark Drakeford.

    Those who understand Wales realised he was an awesome guy as well as politician and would do well, unlike you.
    Ah yes, now let me see. Our last little exchange was on George Osborne's jobs.

    You promised little George only had the one job, honour bright.

    https://tinyurl.com/ymj9jszd

    It was the usual pile of offal from TSE.
    He had the one job at the time.

    That job was offered to him two days ago.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited June 2021
    deleted
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    If you want a holibobs, book the Balearics NOW. They are desperate for business, you can get 4 star hotels for 2-3 star prices, the hotels are 30% full in July so you can enjoy superb service and empty pools

    It’s pretty much perfect, and they’re going Green on Wednesday. No quarantine. You don’t even need a test to come out

    I'm on Barra and it's pretty fucking cool. Just back from St Kilda so it feels like New York. It has cars! Human inhabitants! Two bars!!
    After you’re done you must come to Majorca (or similar)

    It’s like the Mediterranean 50 years ago. So quiet, so blissfully peaceful. And yet with modern restaurants and bars

    The next few weeks will be a unique chance to see this perfect corner of the world, as it once was (yet with sushi bars). Later in the summer, certainly next year, the tourist hordes will be back, and this enchanted mood will disperse forever
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Actually looking at it the Tories were definitely longer in the Clacton by election, I guess the same would be in Rochester & Strood.

    But those are rare circumstances.

    There was a poll in Clacton wasn't there, that gave UKIP a really big lead?

    6 point lead in the only poll here, seems amazing Labour are 6/1, esp with all this Tory sleaze gwan on

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.
    This, a hundred times over - a reminder for the many right-wing dimwits who live on this blog.

    If Hancock has resigned why hasn't the disingenuous racist fat fornicator (many times over)?
    You do know he resigned over breaching his own covid rules not his affair

    As so many have said on here his adultery is not the reason for his resignation and if it was, just how many politicians of all political persuasions would have to resign
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    Gnud said:

    "One of the greatest successes of the modern state"!

    Boris Johnson's reply to Matt Hancock's resignation letter.

    This is how Boris Johnson signs his name:

    image

    Is the right-hand bit...

    ... Actually a Johnson?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Channel 4 news have confirmed.

    I'm on quite a roll today! 😉
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited June 2021
    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    RobD said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
    No. Sajid Javid has got the gig.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    GB News says it’s Sajid
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour have moved from 4.5 to 7.2 in Batley & Spen over the last 24 hours.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.183248116

    Because I backed them at 4.6 earlier?

    There must surely be a poll out, 7 is amazing otherwise
    It is strange, except there isn't much liquidity in the market atm, so it could be a small number of punters making a big difference to the numbers.
    What does 4.6 to 7 mean.. doesn't that mean Galloway is chewing Labour votes...
    Tories have shortened and Galloway about the same price as earlier
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Remind me, why did he resign as Chancellor?
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Alistair said:

    When "Cummings to Durham" broke I immediately chucked 100 quid on him staying.

    This time something made me stay my hand and I did not bet.

    Feeling pretty happy right now.

    Yes, Wales getting hammered makes all happy now.
    I am sure England will get hammered by Germany, and everyone bar the English will be absolutely delighted. (After all, England's lumbering attack has scored fewer goals than the Welsh).

    Normally, an early exit for the England team minimises the amount of vandalism, racism & violence associated with any given tournament.

    Oh, I am sorry. I remember.

    When the Scots and Welsh support ABE, that is evidence of our bad anti-English attitude.
    You need to be more like Mark Drakeford.

    Those who understand Wales realised he was an awesome guy as well as politician and would do well, unlike you.
    Ah yes, now let me see. Our last little exchange was on George Osborne's jobs.

    You promised little George only had the one job, honour bright.

    https://tinyurl.com/ymj9jszd

    It was the usual pile of offal from TSE.
    He had the one job at the time.

    That job was offered to him two days ago.
    So, let see if you can do some adding with that much vaunted Cambridge degree.

    How many jobs has Little George got?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063

    RobD said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
    No. Sajid Javid has got the gig.
    Blimey. The media are all over the place
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.

    Probably not a bad appointment
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    tlg86 said:

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Remind me, why did he resign as Chancellor?
    Because he refused to be a sub to Dom.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    RobD said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
    No. Sajid Javid has got the gig.
    It's just a bunch of retweets of stuff and speculation. I ignore it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.

    Really? I thought it was me that tipped him.

    Zahawi for Education Secretary, perhaps?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    Alistair said:

    When "Cummings to Durham" broke I immediately chucked 100 quid on him staying.

    This time something made me stay my hand and I did not bet.

    Feeling pretty happy right now.

    Yes, Wales getting hammered makes all happy now.
    I am sure England will get hammered by Germany, and everyone bar the English will be absolutely delighted. (After all, England's lumbering attack has scored fewer goals than the Welsh).

    Normally, an early exit for the England team minimises the amount of vandalism, racism & violence associated with any given tournament.

    Oh, I am sorry. I remember.

    When the Scots and Welsh support ABE, that is evidence of our bad anti-English attitude.
    You need to be more like Mark Drakeford.

    Those who understand Wales realised he was an awesome guy as well as politician and would do well, unlike you.
    Ah yes, now let me see. Our last little exchange was on George Osborne's jobs.

    You promised little George only had the one job, honour bright.

    https://tinyurl.com/ymj9jszd

    It was the usual pile of offal from TSE.
    He had the one job at the time.

    That job was offered to him two days ago.
    So, let see if you can do some adding with that much vaunted Cambridge degree.

    How many jobs has Little George got?
    When you asked me at the time, he had one.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited June 2021
    PM appoints former chancellor Sajid Javid as new health secretary

    Saturday 26 June 2021 19:51, UK


    Why you can trust Sky News

    Former chancellor Sajid Javid has been appointed health secretary after the resignation of Matt Hancock, Downing Street says.

    The Bromsgrove MP previously served as home secretary from 2018 to 2019 - and then as chancellor until February last year, when he was replaced by Rishi Sunak.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    In the middle of a pandemic you surely want a safe pair of hand, someone who knows the dept/area. I suppose Johnson still hasn't buried the hatched with Hunt.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    tlg86 said:

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Remind me, why did he resign as Chancellor?
    Because he refused to be a sub to Dom.
    Rightly, given Cummings was a liar, a bully, a crook, a forger and on his own admission presided over a system that was totally inadequate and unfit for purpose.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.
    This, a hundred times over - a reminder for the many right-wing dimwits who live on this blog.

    If Hancock has resigned why hasn't the disingenuous racist fat fornicator (many times over)?
    Dimwits? Can't recall any posts of yours which suggest an IQ in the 3 figures.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.

    Whatever. You lefties are just evil

    I agree Hancock had to go. No question. Said it 24 hours ago. On here. Boris was a fool to even delay it

    But Hancock seems a decent man doing his best who has majorly fucked up in a global crisis and comes across as a massive hypocrite. He now faces a broken family and kids that might hate him. I cannot gloat or exult in this situation, unlike you. Love and sex make people do stupid things. And, if pushed, I’d rather a man break the law and the rules for love, than money

    He’s gone. It is done. Let him repair his life, if he can, in private
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    eek said:

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1408490348184281099



    Jo Maugham
    @JolyonMaugham
    Why we are referring a series of transactions involving the Prime Minister's advisor Munira Mirza, Priti Patel and Matt Hancock to the Serious Fraud Office. THREA

    That thread is well worth a read. Maugham is obviously receiving lots of leaked emails etc. from within government, which suggests there's several whistleblowers around in the Civil Service (probably - it can't all be Cummings). As there should be - it really does smack of a) corruption, and b) massive wastage of taxpayers' money.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    If you want a holibobs, book the Balearics NOW. They are desperate for business, you can get 4 star hotels for 2-3 star prices, the hotels are 30% full in July so you can enjoy superb service and empty pools

    It’s pretty much perfect, and they’re going Green on Wednesday. No quarantine. You don’t even need a test to come out

    I'm on Barra and it's pretty fucking cool. Just back from St Kilda so it feels like New York. It has cars! Human inhabitants! Two bars!!
    After you’re done you must come to Majorca (or similar)

    It’s like the Mediterranean 50 years ago. So quiet, so blissfully peaceful. And yet with modern restaurants and bars

    The next few weeks will be a unique chance to see this perfect corner of the world, as it once was (yet with sushi bars). Later in the summer, certainly next year, the tourist hordes will be back, and this enchanted mood will disperse forever
    Whilst on Majorca, try

    https://castellsonclaret.com/gastronomy/olivera-restaurant-in-castell-son-claret-mallorca/

    Hopefully its standards haven't slipped during Covid. We have never been disappointed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    ydoethur said:

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.

    Really? I thought it was me that tipped him.

    Zahawi for Education Secretary, perhaps?
    See this tweet over an hour go by me.

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1408840754529804292
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362

    gealbhan said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bye. Good riddance. Lying hypocritical twat.

    Agreed and his successor needs to confirm freedom on the 19th July
    Virus permitting. That little virus has been rather forgotten in Tory discourse of late. (But it would be nice, I entirely agree.)
    Infection rates are certainly upwardly mobile, not just in UK but outside. In some UK places hospitalisation rates doubling, though from a low base number.

    It depends if link between infection and hospital treatment and death is broken. Some say proven. Some say not proven yet.

    Vaccines seem to be working at breaking that link in my opinion. If the next couple of weeks prove they are not, the government may have to lock us down even more than we currently are. That will deflate all of us.

    The disappointing thing could turn out to be, racing ahead of the rest of the world in vaccination allows variants too much freedom to form elsewhere and then stop us from relaxing and declaring victory. 😕
    Seems unlikely. It's always worth repeating that the evidence from the places that have been hit soonest and hardest by Delta, allied to that showing very high rates of protection from the vaccines against serious illness, points to a satisfactory outcome. The disease is undoubtedly going to seek out and kill some of the remaining vulnerable - overwhelmingly amongst the unvaccinated, and old people for whom vaccines haven't worked that well - but there's nothing to suggest at this stage that the hospitals will get swamped or come anywhere close to so being. And, without that, there's no excuse for domestic restrictions, because the ongoing harm that they cause will exceed their residual benefit.
    I’m not arguing. Insaid my reading of it vaccines are breaking that link. I’m certainly not anti vax, nor even sceptical of vaccines working to break that link.

    But neither yourself or government defines swamped hospitals or acceptable number of corpses piled in street as different from unacceptable number of corpses piled up in street. Nor define the degree being under restrictions helps the success of vaccines to break the link.

    And in terms of being ready for future variants, you are what percentage sure we are out of the woods? How do you know that?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    RobD said:

    In the middle of a pandemic you surely want a safe pair of hand, someone who knows the dept/area. I suppose Johnson still hasn't buried the hatched with Hunt.

    Javid isn’t the greatest of ministers, but he is also unlikely to be the worst. Probably a sensible appointment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    eek said:

    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1408490348184281099



    Jo Maugham
    @JolyonMaugham
    Why we are referring a series of transactions involving the Prime Minister's advisor Munira Mirza, Priti Patel and Matt Hancock to the Serious Fraud Office. THREA

    An outrageous accusation. Handing out £107m contracts without tender to your friends, patrons, mum and pub landlord is entirely above board as BigG and Charles endlessly insist.
    I consider the matter closed…
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    edited June 2021

    ydoethur said:

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.

    Really? I thought it was me that tipped him.

    Zahawi for Education Secretary, perhaps?
    See this tweet over an hour go by me.

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1408840754529804292
    Deleted
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    If you want a holibobs, book the Balearics NOW. They are desperate for business, you can get 4 star hotels for 2-3 star prices, the hotels are 30% full in July so you can enjoy superb service and empty pools

    It’s pretty much perfect, and they’re going Green on Wednesday. No quarantine. You don’t even need a test to come out

    I'm on Barra and it's pretty fucking cool. Just back from St Kilda so it feels like New York. It has cars! Human inhabitants! Two bars!!
    Two bars on your phone?

    I don't believe it!
  • GnudGnud Posts: 298

    gealbhan said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bye. Good riddance. Lying hypocritical twat.

    Agreed and his successor needs to confirm freedom on the 19th July
    Virus permitting. That little virus has been rather forgotten in Tory discourse of late. (But it would be nice, I entirely agree.)
    Infection rates are certainly upwardly mobile, not just in UK but outside. In some UK places hospitalisation rates doubling, though from a low base number.

    It depends if link between infection and hospital treatment and death is broken. Some say proven. Some say not proven yet.

    Vaccines seem to be working at breaking that link in my opinion. If the next couple of weeks prove they are not, the government may have to lock us down even more than we currently are. That will deflate all of us.

    The disappointing thing could turn out to be, racing ahead of the rest of the world in vaccination allows variants too much freedom to form elsewhere and then stop us from relaxing and declaring victory. 😕
    Seems unlikely. It's always worth repeating that the evidence from the places that have been hit soonest and hardest by Delta, allied to that showing very high rates of protection from the vaccines against serious illness, points to a satisfactory outcome. The disease is undoubtedly going to seek out and kill some of the remaining vulnerable - overwhelmingly amongst the unvaccinated, and old people for whom vaccines haven't worked that well - but there's nothing to suggest at this stage that the hospitals will get swamped or come anywhere close to so being. And, without that, there's no excuse for domestic restrictions, because the ongoing harm that they cause will exceed their residual benefit.
    If a person is unvaccinated, does it matter whether they catch the infection from another unvaccinated person or from a vaccinated person whose symptoms have been caused by the vaccine to be only mild (assuming quantitatively similar viral load)?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    In the middle of a pandemic you surely want a safe pair of hand, someone who knows the dept/area. I suppose Johnson still hasn't buried the hatched with Hunt.

    Javid isn’t the greatest of ministers, but he is also unlikely to be the worst. Probably a sensible appointment.
    Yeah, not a terrible appointment. I'm just saying Hunt might have been a better choice given his previous and current roles.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.
    This, a hundred times over - a reminder for the many right-wing dimwits who live on this blog.

    If Hancock has resigned why hasn't the disingenuous racist fat fornicator (many times over)?
    You do know he resigned over breaching his own covid rules not his affair

    As so many have said on here his adultery is not the reason for his resignation and if it was, just how many politicians of all political persuasions would have to resign
    I am not talking about the liar's adultery. I am talking about his lying, his racism, his dog whistle politics, his contribution to the breakup of our country. The man only cares about himself. This is our PM - the worst PM this country has ever had. I have a young son and the disingenuous t*at is no role model for him.

    I couldn't care less if he shagged a thousand women.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    So the next Tory leadership contest final two could well be Sunak v. Javid.

    Thoughts and prayers with the Labour party and the racists who hate darkies/don't think immigrants integrate.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    If you want a holibobs, book the Balearics NOW. They are desperate for business, you can get 4 star hotels for 2-3 star prices, the hotels are 30% full in July so you can enjoy superb service and empty pools

    It’s pretty much perfect, and they’re going Green on Wednesday. No quarantine. You don’t even need a test to come out

    Thanks for the tip.
    The only faff is Palma airport: long queues for passport - mainly covid with a hint of Brexit. Make sure you get a QR code by filling in the Spanish form online - takes about 10 minutes. Some chaos around baggage etc. The staff all look like people coming out of hibernation

    But my God you are welcome. They are overjoyed to see tourists
    But who is going to make the flint dildoes in Camden?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited June 2021

    ydoethur said:

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.

    Really? I thought it was me that tipped him.

    Zahawi for Education Secretary, perhaps?
    See this tweet over an hour go by me.

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1408840754529804292
    A whole forty minutes after this:

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3454885

    Edit - although if others tipped him yesterday when I was working I will concede their superiority.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748

    RobD said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
    No. Sajid Javid has got the gig.
    Health Sec is a hospital pass right now (pun). But Saj has got experience leading a biggish team in a shit storm at DB and is honourable. Let’s see how he does.

    Hopefully Zahawi gets another cabinet position instead, teeing him up to go head to head with Rishi for the leadership next year.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    Yes, there is.
    And all of it of Hancock’s making.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Not going to lie.

    I get quite turned on by the Italian players singing their national anthem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    In the middle of a pandemic you surely want a safe pair of hand, someone who knows the dept/area. I suppose Johnson still hasn't buried the hatched with Hunt.

    Javid isn’t the greatest of ministers, but he is also unlikely to be the worst. Probably a sensible appointment.
    Yeah, not a terrible appointment. I'm just saying Hunt might have been a better choice given his previous and current roles.
    Not disagreeing. But boring competence even if it’s not inspired leadership would make a pleasant change.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    Anyhoo, must dash, need to rework the morning thread entitled

    'Hancock can survive if England beat Germany on Tuesday.'

    Does that mean (thanks to you) we’ll now lose ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited June 2021

    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour have moved from 4.5 to 7.2 in Batley & Spen over the last 24 hours.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.183248116

    Because I backed them at 4.6 earlier?

    There must surely be a poll out, 7 is amazing otherwise
    It is strange, except there isn't much liquidity in the market atm, so it could be a small number of punters making a big difference to the numbers.
    What does 4.6 to 7 mean.. doesn't that mean Galloway is chewing Labour votes...
    It means punters collectively believe Labour's chances have decreased from about 22% to around 14%.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Javid the new Health Secretary.

    CALLED IT.

    Legendary modesty klaxon time.

    You gave a list of three.

    Muffle that klaxon....
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748

    Not going to lie.

    I get quite turned on by the Italian players singing their national anthem.

    Feels wrong watching Italy while eating a Chinese takeaway rather than a nice pizza.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)

    dixiedean said:

    So let me understand.
    On Thursday night Hancock announced he's leaving his family, for his Mistress, who is on the government payroll, on his say so.
    And he, and the PM thought he could brazen it out?
    We need to be told exactly how long this has been going on.

    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this is a Charles/Camilla thing and has been going on and for years/decade.

    Like Hancock, Prince Charles went to the University of Cambridge.

    What is it with the finest university in the world producing so many fornicators and adulterers?
    Tbf, they do produce some quite exceptional shits.
    And spies!
    They also were shits.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Why would someone put out totally false information about Nadhim Zahawi being appointed the new Health Secretary?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.

    Whatever. You lefties are just evil

    I agree Hancock had to go. No question. Said it 24 hours ago. On here. Boris was a fool to even delay it

    But Hancock seems a decent man doing his best who has majorly fucked up in a global crisis and comes across as a massive hypocrite. He now faces a broken family and kids that might hate him. I cannot gloat or exult in this situation, unlike you. Love and sex make people do stupid things. And, if pushed, I’d rather a man break the law and the rules for love, than money

    He’s gone. It is done. Let him repair his life, if he can, in private
    It is *awful* for his kids. Truly awful. Not that he gives a fuck.

    How am I gloating about his resignation? Since this broke I have said repeatedly that he shouldn't go and I still think that. What he has done is no different to what the PM and Home Secretary and himself have done without sanction.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    I suppose what may ultimately have counted for Javid is that there is no other appointment needs reshuffling. No junior ministerial ranks to change. No select committees to reorganise. Just Javid returning.

    Glad it is him and not Gove though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited June 2021

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Sensible choice. He’s done well on vaccines, knows the department, and avoids the need for a wider reshuffle.

    Edit: but wrong. Javid also a safe pair of hands.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Andy_JS said:

    Why would someone put out totally false information about Nadhim Zahawi being appointed the new Health Secretary?

    Politics For All often does this, posts speculation as fact.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Nigelb said:

    Anyhoo, must dash, need to rework the morning thread entitled

    'Hancock can survive if England beat Germany on Tuesday.'

    Does that mean (thanks to you) we’ll now lose ?
    Yes.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Sandpit said:

    gealbhan said:

    Aslan said:

    Gnud said:

    How the feck is George Galloway using the honorific Honourable?

    Is he the younger son of an Earl or maybe the son of a Viscount or Baron?

    It's for the two Pakistani awards he holds: the Hilal-I-Qaid-I-​Azzam (Crescent of the Great Leader) and the Hilali-I-Pakistan (Crescent of Pakistan).

    https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/652949163576041472
    Galloway is for British Muslims what Trump is for American Evangelicals. Someone that gives them permission for their bigotry and they adore him for it.
    Except that American Evangelicals did not adore Trump. VP Mike Pence was the Evangelicals' man. You might recall Trump, for whom everything is transactional, publicly complaining that Evangelicals had not rewarded him for his Israel policy.
    What Galloway will do is play the division card to get the Islamic vote, and then claim Starmer is out of step with Labour supporters. It really is the most shallow and dishonest politics, to burn and spurn and sow disunity and division rather than the hard work of building and uniting. For turning his back on doing the right thing he doesn’t deserve a single vote. Even Tories and Tory press should support the Labour candidate here to ensure Galloway does not end up with the biggest grin.
    The Tories will be supporting the Conservative candidate, who’s now the clear favourite with the left vote split.
    But look just how the left vote has been split. The Conservative will gain due to someone presenting no solution to Israel and Palestine tension, just supping from it. At the very least the winning Conservative Party and their commentariat need to acknowledge this is distasteful, not do the easy thing and just ignore it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    Sandpit said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Sensible choice. He’s done well on vaccines, knows the department, and avoids the need for a wider reshuffle.
    It's fake news.
  • RobD said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
    no lol
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    Always like Javid, Pakistani heritage chaps who work(ed) for a bank are awesome and so capable.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.
    This, a hundred times over - a reminder for the many right-wing dimwits who live on this blog.

    If Hancock has resigned why hasn't the disingenuous racist fat fornicator (many times over)?
    You do know he resigned over breaching his own covid rules not his affair

    As so many have said on here his adultery is not the reason for his resignation and if it was, just how many politicians of all political persuasions would have to resign
    I am not talking about the liar's adultery. I am talking about his lying, his racism, his dog whistle politics, his contribution to the breakup of our country. The man only cares about himself. This is our PM - the worst PM this country has ever had. I have a young son and the disingenuous t*at is no role model for him.

    I couldn't care less if he shagged a thousand women.
    So not a fan then
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    ydoethur said:

    I suppose what may ultimately have counted for Javid is that there is no other appointment needs reshuffling. No junior ministerial ranks to change. No select committees to reorganise. Just Javid returning.

    Glad it is him and not Gove though.

    Agreed. Hopefully the camera man has got a video of Gove with his trousers down too.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bye. Good riddance. Lying hypocritical twat.

    Agreed and his successor needs to confirm freedom on the 19th July
    Virus permitting. That little virus has been rather forgotten in Tory discourse of late. (But it would be nice, I entirely agree.)
    Infection rates are certainly upwardly mobile, not just in UK but outside. In some UK places hospitalisation rates doubling, though from a low base number.

    It depends if link between infection and hospital treatment and death is broken. Some say proven. Some say not proven yet.

    Vaccines seem to be working at breaking that link in my opinion. If the next couple of weeks prove they are not, the government may have to lock us down even more than we currently are. That will deflate all of us.

    The disappointing thing could turn out to be, racing ahead of the rest of the world in vaccination allows variants too much freedom to form elsewhere and then stop us from relaxing and declaring victory. 😕
    Seems unlikely. It's always worth repeating that the evidence from the places that have been hit soonest and hardest by Delta, allied to that showing very high rates of protection from the vaccines against serious illness, points to a satisfactory outcome. The disease is undoubtedly going to seek out and kill some of the remaining vulnerable - overwhelmingly amongst the unvaccinated, and old people for whom vaccines haven't worked that well - but there's nothing to suggest at this stage that the hospitals will get swamped or come anywhere close to so being. And, without that, there's no excuse for domestic restrictions, because the ongoing harm that they cause will exceed their residual benefit.
    I’m not arguing. Insaid my reading of it vaccines are breaking that link. I’m certainly not anti vax, nor even sceptical of vaccines working to break that link.

    But neither yourself or government defines swamped hospitals or acceptable number of corpses piled in street as different from unacceptable number of corpses piled up in street. Nor define the degree being under restrictions helps the success of vaccines to break the link.

    And in terms of being ready for future variants, you are what percentage sure we are out of the woods? How do you know that?
    I would imagine that the Government will backtrack if the hospital numbers begin to surge in such a way as to suggest the threat of tents full of dying old people in hospital car parks has returned. So long as the victims aren't filling up intensive care capacity all over the country at once then they'll just keep going, and we're a very, very long way from that.

    Nobody can be absolutely certain that we're safe from all future variants, but if you're concerned about one that substantially evades the vaccines and resets the clock to zero, then you're effectively talking about a whole new pandemic. If we lived in such terror of outbreaks of new respiratory illnesses that we decided to use socio-economic garrotting as a pre-emptive measure against their emergence then clearly we'd be living with masks and social distancing and the rest of it forever, and that obviously isn't sustainable.

    Once there's reasonable cause to believe that the worst of the threat has gone then, for the sake both of averting economic collapse and collective nervous breakdown, the rules need to be dumped.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    Yes, there is.
    And all of it of Hancock’s making.
    Which is, you know, the definition of “tragedy”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    I suppose what may ultimately have counted for Javid is that there is no other appointment needs reshuffling. No junior ministerial ranks to change. No select committees to reorganise. Just Javid returning.

    Glad it is him and not Gove though.

    Agreed. Hopefully the camera man has got a video of Gove with his trousers down too.
    Truthfully? Hopefully not.

    In any case, surely the camera would have broken?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    moonshine said:

    RobD said:

    @PoliticsForAlI

    BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi will be Hancock’s replacement



    Make of this what you will.

    Is that account ever accurate?
    No. Sajid Javid has got the gig.
    Health Sec is a hospital pass right now (pun). But Saj has got experience leading a biggish team in a shit storm at DB and is honourable. Let’s see how he does.

    Hopefully Zahawi gets another cabinet position instead, teeing him up to go head to head with Rishi for the leadership next year.
    Certainly looking very diversity heavy at the top of the Conservative Party....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    PoliticsForAll is a sauce I won't be tasting again.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Classy:

    Some people on Twitter seem to think that Michael Gove is poised to take over from Matt Hancock. But are they confident that Gove’s private life is beyond reproach? Maybe Sarah Vine can shed some light on this #BacktoBasics

    https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1408852539202752514?s=20
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Always like Javid, Pakistani heritage chaps who work(ed) for a bank are awesome and so capable.

    And bald?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2021
    ...

    So the next Tory leadership contest final two could well be Sunak v. Javid.

    Thoughts and prayers with the Labour party and the racists who hate darkies/don't think immigrants integrate.

    The success stories are great news, no need for thoughts and prayers, they are to be celebrated

    But they aren't typical
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    I suppose what may ultimately have counted for Javid is that there is no other appointment needs reshuffling. No junior ministerial ranks to change. No select committees to reorganise. Just Javid returning.

    Glad it is him and not Gove though.

    Agreed. Hopefully the camera man has got a video of Gove with his trousers down too.
    Truthfully? Hopefully not.

    In any case, surely the camera would have broken?
    Michael Gove is really well endowed.

    It is common knowledge in Westminster and beyond.

    Just don't ask how I know this.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803

    So the next Tory leadership contest final two could well be Sunak v. Javid.

    Thoughts and prayers with the Labour party and the racists who hate darkies/don't think immigrants integrate.

    I'd narrowly favour (as in prefer - this isn't a prediction of what Conservative MPs and members will do) Sunak, I think, with Javid as chancellor.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Classy:

    Some people on Twitter seem to think that Michael Gove is poised to take over from Matt Hancock. But are they confident that Gove’s private life is beyond reproach? Maybe Sarah Vine can shed some light on this #BacktoBasics

    https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1408852539202752514?s=20

    The one who some feel honour bound to defend when people comment on her personal life is stirring the shizen!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635

    Always like Javid, Pakistani heritage chaps who work(ed) for a bank are awesome and so capable.

    And bald?
    His baldness won't be an issue versus Sunak the homunculus.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    Gnud said:

    gealbhan said:

    Carnyx said:

    Bye. Good riddance. Lying hypocritical twat.

    Agreed and his successor needs to confirm freedom on the 19th July
    Virus permitting. That little virus has been rather forgotten in Tory discourse of late. (But it would be nice, I entirely agree.)
    Infection rates are certainly upwardly mobile, not just in UK but outside. In some UK places hospitalisation rates doubling, though from a low base number.

    It depends if link between infection and hospital treatment and death is broken. Some say proven. Some say not proven yet.

    Vaccines seem to be working at breaking that link in my opinion. If the next couple of weeks prove they are not, the government may have to lock us down even more than we currently are. That will deflate all of us.

    The disappointing thing could turn out to be, racing ahead of the rest of the world in vaccination allows variants too much freedom to form elsewhere and then stop us from relaxing and declaring victory. 😕
    Seems unlikely. It's always worth repeating that the evidence from the places that have been hit soonest and hardest by Delta, allied to that showing very high rates of protection from the vaccines against serious illness, points to a satisfactory outcome. The disease is undoubtedly going to seek out and kill some of the remaining vulnerable - overwhelmingly amongst the unvaccinated, and old people for whom vaccines haven't worked that well - but there's nothing to suggest at this stage that the hospitals will get swamped or come anywhere close to so being. And, without that, there's no excuse for domestic restrictions, because the ongoing harm that they cause will exceed their residual benefit.
    If a person is unvaccinated, does it matter whether they catch the infection from another unvaccinated person or from a vaccinated person whose symptoms have been caused by the vaccine to be only mild (assuming quantitatively similar viral load)?
    I think you're answering your own question there - there will generally be a smaller viral load if you are unlucky enough to catch it from someone vaccinated.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,063
    edited June 2021
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.

    Whatever. You lefties are just evil

    I agree Hancock had to go. No question. Said it 24 hours ago. On here. Boris was a fool to even delay it

    But Hancock seems a decent man doing his best who has majorly fucked up in a global crisis and comes across as a massive hypocrite. He now faces a broken family and kids that might hate him. I cannot gloat or exult in this situation, unlike you. Love and sex make people do stupid things. And, if pushed, I’d rather a man break the law and the rules for love, than money

    He’s gone. It is done. Let him repair his life, if he can, in private
    It is *awful* for his kids. Truly awful. Not that he gives a fuck.

    How am I gloating about his resignation? Since this broke I have said repeatedly that he shouldn't go and I still think that. What he has done is no different to what the PM and Home Secretary and himself have done without sanction.

    “It is *awful* for his kids. Truly awful. Not that he gives a fuck”

    So, do tell, how do you know Matt Hancock “doesn’t give a fuck about his kids”?

    You just don’t, do you? You absolutely have no idea, no proof, no nothing, no inside information, you make a vile assertion without any evidence because, well, that’s what lefties like you do, isn’t it?

    So you be you. And maybe wonder - one day - if you are any better than the people you love to despise
    This springs to mind - 'you who are without sin first cast the stone'
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Underneath all this is a small human tragedy. Broken marriage, kids in pain, it is sad. Can’t feel any satisfaction at Hancock going even if he absolutely HAD to go

    He really didn't. He has done nothing that Shagger or the Traitor or himself have already done without even a slap on the wrist. Breaking the code? No penalty. Lying and cheating? No penalty. Lying to and bullying your colleagues? No penalty.

    This government has already declared all such mandatory resignation transgressions to be OK behaviour, cheered on by the remaining PB Tories. That a couple of them now claim to be on the moral high ground is a joke like the notion of propriety in a public office.

    Whatever. You lefties are just evil

    I agree Hancock had to go. No question. Said it 24 hours ago. On here. Boris was a fool to even delay it

    But Hancock seems a decent man doing his best who has majorly fucked up in a global crisis and comes across as a massive hypocrite. He now faces a broken family and kids that might hate him. I cannot gloat or exult in this situation, unlike you. Love and sex make people do stupid things. And, if pushed, I’d rather a man break the law and the rules for love, than money

    He’s gone. It is done. Let him repair his life, if he can, in private
    It is *awful* for his kids. Truly awful. Not that he gives a fuck.

    How on do you know he doesn't give a fuck ?

    We know nothing of the private circumstances surrounding Hancock's marriage.

    Unpopular though it is on pb.com, some gentleness is needed in these matters.
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