How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
Half interested, and half I would genuinely like to know.
The unionist parties do not exist in Scotland, they are just the parties registered in England and have no registration in Scotland. Electoral commission regulates parties.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
Talking of planning, or the lack of it, look at this very recent photo of Docklands in London. It looks like a spruced-up version of classic Chicago, or like a western Hong Kong - minus the Chinese tanks. It looks amazing
I can remember when this was all total dereliction, in the early 80s. Then Thatcher proposed ‘some redevelopment’, letting capitalism do its thing. Everyone chortled in derision. And here we are
The development of Docklands also required significant infrastructure investment, including the DLR and Jubilee line extension, to make it work. And now Crossrail - because the existing infrastructure is now creaking at the seams (certainly pre-pandemic, almost certainly afterwards, too). Similarly there is huge potential for housing and other development (for over 100k people IIRC) down the Old Kent Road, but it's only feasible if the infrastructure is put in place (Bakerloo line extension). I should also add that Docklands is a horrible soulless place, but clearly some people like living there (or at least owning property there) so each to their own.
Lefties have been decrying Docklands since Thatcher laid the first brick. And you’re still at it. Yawn
A larger point about London. Yesterday, driving back into the city after a week away, I got the first sense of optimism about the capital, after 18 months of gloom
It wasn’t the weather. It was cool and grey. It was something else in the air.
I wonder if the city is getting physically younger. A lot of middle aged and older people have decamped to the shires.
Apologies for boring you by expressing my opinion. Have you ever worked at Canary Wharf? I have. It is a depressing, soulless place. What I found was that I could never get my bearings. Now admittedly I have no sense of direction. But I think the problem with the Wharf is that everywhere basically looks the same. And the tall buildings block out the light, so the subconscious signals from the direction of the sunlight aren't there either. These observations are not political in nature - I think the redevelopment of docklands has overall been a good thing, although transport infrastructure has always lagged and the displacement and exclusion of the local population has been pretty bad too. So please don't try to open a new front in the culture war on this - that really would be yawn-inducing.
When Docklands was a big flat nothing and Thatcher proposed the Docklands Development Corp, lefties mocked
When she laid the first brick, at Canary Wharf, lefties chortled, satirically
When they finished the first phase - 1 Canada Square - lefties yelled ‘there’s no infrastructure, it’s pointless’
When the Tories installed infrastructure - the DLR, Limehouse Cut - lefties sneered and said ‘the road is too expensive’
When the government extended the Jubilee Line, the left sniffed and said ‘it’s just finance, no one will live there’
Now, when developers build shops, restaurants, bars, museums, hotels, and thousands of apartments, the left says ‘oh it’s so soulless, and I can’t find my way around because it’s all new and I’m a feckin idiot’
And so the dance continues
Purfleet in Essex is being done up - apparently they’re trying to make it a centre for film studios/creatives etc. 25 mins to London on the train, next to the A13. Riverside flats £230k, why couldn’t it be the next big thing?
When I worked around there it was one of the areas where only loan sharks would give credit. Banks, HP companies would touch the residents.
Yes it’s not very nice at the moment, but is in a great location and lots of potential. Some cute cottages, right on the Thames, great transport links, countryside nearby too
I cycle there when I do my Thames path ride, and have a bite to eat in the RSPB overlooking Rainham Marshes
Yes, surprising to come across those cottages, isn't it! Have all the explosives been cleared from the Marshes now; when I was very young it was a firing range. Although I have been to the RSPB site. Seem to remember the pub's not too bad, either.
The pub has a fantastic location too, right on the Thames with a lot of outdoor space. I’ve never had a drink there but popped in to use the gents once - looks like it’s cheap accommodation for casual workers at the mo
It could really be a lovely place if the regeneration is done well
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Nope. Brexit is a disaster. HS2 is a disaster. Boris is a disaster.
One football player out of a squad of 26 being unavailable for a soccer match is not a disaster.
The whole team were superb against England.
I respectfully disagree. We do not have the strength in depth of larger nations. Having Gilmour play in front of the defence allowed us to have McTominay at the back where he was excellent making our defence secure.
It also cannot be said that the whole team was superb. After 2 matches we are the only team in the competition yet to score a goal.
annual - £3,528.00 - £14.70 - 240 (travel as much as you like in a year) monthly - £4,064.00 - £16.93 - 240 (travel as much as you like in a calendar month) flexi - £164.80 - £20.60 - 8 (travel any 8 days with no time restrictions in a 28 day period) anytime - £23.50 - £23.50 - 1 off-peak - £19.60 - £19.60 - 1 (arrive at WAT after 10:00) super off-peak - £15.40 - £15.40 - 1 (arrive at WAT after 12:00 and cannot return between 16:00 and 19:00)
Obviously if you were buying monthlies you would get a bit better value because you wouldn't have to renew immediately.
I don't think the discount on the flexit ticket is quite enough to be honest. You will have to be confident that you will use them all in 28 days. I suspect there will be a lot more people taking the off-peak option, which is actually cheaper than the flexi ticket. Given that commuting is likely to become more about going in for specific purposes, I can see later commuting making more sense for people.
This would've been great for me a few years ago. I was working in Hammersmith and caught the train in to Marylebone. I never went in more than 3 days/week. I used "carnet" tickets for a while which involved writing in dates on tickets. In the end I switched to driving in very early to Westfield (Shepherds Bush). It cost £6/day to park and hopped on a Boris bike to Hammersmith. Used an old car with no depreciation. Saved myself £20 every day I drove in after accounting for petrol.
Having said that I think the flexi should be much closer in price to the monthly.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
Wrong, 46% of English voters want to keep Scotland in the UK, just 13% think Scotland should become independent
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
As opposed to the SNP wanting their thumb on the scale ?
How would you define a UK Scot? Birth certificate has a location in Scotland?
Okay, what if they lived there 6 months then family moved to England and they've never been back for 60 years? Would someone from Northern Ireland who took a Republic passport, lived in Germany all his life (under FoM) but recently moved to Scotland get the vote?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... the headaches.....
It is very simple you have a residence in Scotland and are on the electoral roll and able to vote in Scottish elections. The only people who have an actual interest in Scotland.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
Oh as for me Topping, I would have done Step 4 lifting of domestic restrictions today and had a Step 5 and Step 6 for foreign restrictions.
Step 5 would be to essentially treat double-vaccinated people travelling to amber countries as travelling to green countries (so test but no quarantine) and double-vaccinated people travelling to green countries as domestic (so no need for a test).
Step 6 would be to abolish all restrictions barring red lists (abolishing testing, quarantining, everything).
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
We are going to Austria and Italy. Fuck the restrictions and fuck Cumbria.
Don’t you have to quarantine in Italy, now?
And have you worked out the rigmarole with testing? Serious question. I am intent on travelling myself, soon, but the procedures are Byzantine. Surely deliberate, to make travel such a faff hardly anyone bothers
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
What's in it for you is an incredible level of protection against this horrid disease and to minimize the chance you inadvertently kill grannie.
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
Scotland has voted five times since the indyref. A reminder of the results: (2014 - Indyref - Unionist majority) 2015 - British GE, result in Scotland: Unionist majority 2016 - Scottish GE: Unionist majority 2017 - British GE, result in Scotland: Unionist majority 2019 - British GE, result in Scotland: Unionist majority 2021 - Scottish GE: Unionist majority
Remind me where Donald "Election Winner" Trump's mother was from?
SNP "true belief" is right up Norman Vincent Peale's street. You lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost - six times in seven years.
In 2021 there was both a majority of votes cast for Independence parties and majority of MSPs elected on that platform. On what planet was this a "Unionist Majority"?
The type of nonsense currently being peddled by the increasingly desperate Unionists is a sign that they have chosen the Castilian path: authoritarianism and repression. Very un-English. It’s just not cricket.
You don't think "authoritarianism and repression" is very English? Its been the playbook for a millenia!
The England of my imagination is PG Wodehouse, Life of Brian and quiet, good-natured decency.
However, I am aware of the England of Oswald Mosley, Bomber Harris and Boer concentration camps.
I know I shouldn’t but I’ll bite. Mosley and the boer war camps I’ll give you, but what is the axe with Harris? He was tasked with winning a war by the legitimate elected government and tried to do so. Do you think he was somehow malign in intent, and enjoyed killing people? People object to Dresden, but if we could have done Dresden 10 times in 1940 we would have ended the war and saved millions.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
As opposed to the SNP wanting their thumb on the scale ?
How would you define a UK Scot? Birth certificate has a location in Scotland?
Okay, what if they lived there 6 months then family moved to England and they've never been back for 60 years? Would someone from Northern Ireland who took a Republic passport, lived in Germany all his life (under FoM) but recently moved to Scotland get the vote?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... the headaches.....
It is very simple you have a residence in Scotland and are on the electoral roll and able to vote in Scottish elections. The only people who have an actual interest in Scotland.
Well that seems simple enough. And birth doesn't come into it? (i.e. non-Scots born Scots residents are included; Scots born non-Scots residents are not)? That's the only reasonable way I can see to do it.
A needless social media post could cost Scotland. Hope not
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How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
No more elderly relatives dying is kind of an upside for me. But I am easily pleased.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
We Tories won a majority in 2019 on a manifesto commitment of respecting the result of the once in a generation 2014 referendum.
As long as we Tories remain in power with a majority at Westminster we will continue to refuse indyref2 and there is nothing the SNP and Scottish Nationalists can do about it
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
I think it is Burnham's ego that is causing the fight, a poxy little mayor trying to feel important. Should get back in his box.
annual - £3,528.00 - £14.70 - 240 (travel as much as you like in a year) monthly - £4,064.00 - £16.93 - 240 (travel as much as you like in a calendar month) flexi - £164.80 - £20.60 - 8 (travel any 8 days with no time restrictions in a 28 day period) anytime - £23.50 - £23.50 - 1 off-peak - £19.60 - £19.60 - 1 (arrive at WAT after 10:00) super off-peak - £15.40 - £15.40 - 1 (arrive at WAT after 12:00 and cannot return between 16:00 and 19:00)
Obviously if you were buying monthlies you would get a bit better value because you wouldn't have to renew immediately.
I don't think the discount on the flexit ticket is quite enough to be honest. You will have to be confident that you will use them all in 28 days. I suspect there will be a lot more people taking the off-peak option, which is actually cheaper than the flexi ticket. Given that commuting is likely to become more about going in for specific purposes, I can see later commuting making more sense for people.
This would've been great for me a few years ago. I was working in Hammersmith and caught the train in to Marylebone. I never went in more than 3 days/week. I used "carnet" tickets for a while which involved writing in dates on tickets. In the end I switched to driving in very early to Westfield (Shepherds Bush). It cost £6/day to park and hopped on a Boris bike to Hammersmith. Used an old car with no depreciation. Saved myself £20 every day I drove in after accounting for petrol.
Having said that I think the flexi should be much closer in price to the monthly.
25 quid travel card the other day - ridiculous, and that was off peak
We are going to Austria and Italy. Fuck the restrictions and fuck Cumbria.
Ms Cyclefree will definitely NOT be your friend!
And, for the Brexiteers, back in the 50's & early 60's, holidays were taken in the UK. My fiancee and I were considered quite daring, flying to the Channel Islands when studies finished, in 1961.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
The other thing is they are obsessed about foreign holidays, but then lambast the government for not having strict enough processes in regards people coming into the country....
So which is, we should have stricter border controls, which means no jollies abroad, or lax controls so people can (but I guess just the two weeks they have booked in Santorini, not the other 50 weeks).
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
"Of all the vaccines we use, in infancy, childhood, adolescence, and adulthood, none of them have any long-term effects," Schaffner said. "No vaccine has shown side effects 2 to 5 years later. That doesn't exist because there's no biological reason for it."
Schaffner said the argument could also be made that "we know vastly more about mRNA vaccines than we do about Novavax. Novavax is new whereas we've given the mRNA vaccines to 170 million people in the U.S. alone. We may know more about the safety there than we do about Novavax."
Wen said it's still important to emphasize the good safety record of the vaccines while still taking patient preference into account.
"I have no concerns about the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines," Wen told MedPage Today. "That said, there are individuals who may have these concerns, and if another vaccine is what it takes to get them vaccinated, I think we should do everything we can to dispel misinformation while increasing options."...
...Schaffner added that primary care physicians, who often have existing close relationships with their patients, have a big role to play in addressing remaining hesitancy.
"We have to respect why they feel that way and try to find out what is causing it," he said. "We never disrespect the person who is hesitant. We never dismiss them or belittle them. When they realize we will take their concerns seriously, they'll tell us what their issue is. Then we'll say, that's pretty common, I've heard that before, and their anxiety is eased."...
Wait a minute - didn't it take many years of using BCG (against TB) for anyone to notice that it had a long-term protective side effect against some other infections? It's surely plausible that vaccines have other long term side effects that we haven't noticed yet.
The kind of outcome my colleagues investigate using patients records over time (fully anonymised). One of the reasons to allow your data to be used.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
What's in it for you is an incredible level of protection against this horrid disease and to minimize the chance you inadvertently kill grannie.
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
And you should be jolly grateful and stop bothering your elders and betters about it.
I smoked heavily for 30 years, to give you steer on how fussed I am about horrid diseases, and my last granny pegged out in the 80s. I am currently on a train on the West Highland line en route to St kilda, so not immediately fussed about foreign holidays, but people who want them are entitled to want them and to a better answer than Don't you know there's a war on?
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
What's in it for you is an incredible level of protection against this horrid disease and to minimize the chance you inadvertently kill grannie.
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
There is nothing stopping her travelling abroad. All she needs to do is isolate for 2 weeks on return...
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
I think it is Burnham's ego that is causing the fight, a poxy little mayor trying to feel important. Should get back in his box.
The population ofScotland is 5.5 million - something like that?
The population of Greater Manchester is 2.8 million, IIRC
We are going to Austria and Italy. Fuck the restrictions and fuck Cumbria.
Don’t you have to quarantine in Italy, now?
And have you worked out the rigmarole with testing? Serious question. I am intent on travelling myself, soon, but the procedures are Byzantine. Surely deliberate, to make travel such a faff hardly anyone bothers
EU citizens don't have to isolate going into the Netherlands from the UK. So it's the Hull to Rotterdam ferry then clandestine back road border crossings in the middle of the night. It's going to be like the Great Escape except in a BMW 335d not on a TR6 Trophy.
E2A: the are FB groups full of like minded anarchists for discussing the logistics of all this.
"Of all the vaccines we use, in infancy, childhood, adolescence, and adulthood, none of them have any long-term effects," Schaffner said. "No vaccine has shown side effects 2 to 5 years later. That doesn't exist because there's no biological reason for it."
Schaffner said the argument could also be made that "we know vastly more about mRNA vaccines than we do about Novavax. Novavax is new whereas we've given the mRNA vaccines to 170 million people in the U.S. alone. We may know more about the safety there than we do about Novavax."
Wen said it's still important to emphasize the good safety record of the vaccines while still taking patient preference into account.
"I have no concerns about the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines," Wen told MedPage Today. "That said, there are individuals who may have these concerns, and if another vaccine is what it takes to get them vaccinated, I think we should do everything we can to dispel misinformation while increasing options."...
...Schaffner added that primary care physicians, who often have existing close relationships with their patients, have a big role to play in addressing remaining hesitancy.
"We have to respect why they feel that way and try to find out what is causing it," he said. "We never disrespect the person who is hesitant. We never dismiss them or belittle them. When they realize we will take their concerns seriously, they'll tell us what their issue is. Then we'll say, that's pretty common, I've heard that before, and their anxiety is eased."...
Wait a minute - didn't it take many years of using BCG (against TB) for anyone to notice that it had a long-term protective side effect against some other infections? It's surely plausible that vaccines have other long term side effects that we haven't noticed yet.
And maybe an asymptomatic case of COVID-19 that you never even knew you had will turn out to shorten your life by ten years ...
I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.
Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.
...
What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...
Having looked at images of the Bristol Beaufighter, I don't think it is. The Beaufighter had a much stubbier nose which the propellers protruded in front of.
And of course, it's not the Mosquito, because that has a rounded cockpit and no gun turret.
Avro Anson, or derivative thereof?
Thought it was an Anson.
The Ventura actually looks more likely now my internet's let me get to Page 2.
Pretty sure that is what it is - further, the diagram was probably cribbed from this diagram
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
It is both the context of the question and the hypocritical stance the media take. One day, the government failed us, they left the border open too long so we got Indian variant, but at exactly that same time, they were also moaning about not being able to go away on foreign holidays for Easter.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
Yes - for example, why don't we have questions on the issue of the withdrawal of financial support for businesses that are now open but with restrictions. Such as pubs which are open, but COVID restrictions are making them unprofitable.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
We Tories won a majority in 2019 on a manifesto commitment of respecting the result of the once in a generation 2014 referendum.
As long as we Tories remain in power with a majority at Westminster we will continue to refuse indyref2 and there is nothing the SNP and Scottish Nationalists can do about it
Its a good job that in your case "we Tories" isn't a definition shared by any other Tories. Because every time you post the same self-important and profoundly deluded shite you make the case for Scottish independence.
"I'm a Unionist" says HYUFD "and the way to keep and preserve the Union is to tell the picts that whatever they vote for we will just ignore them".
annual - £3,528.00 - £14.70 - 240 (travel as much as you like in a year) monthly - £4,064.00 - £16.93 - 240 (travel as much as you like in a calendar month) flexi - £164.80 - £20.60 - 8 (travel any 8 days with no time restrictions in a 28 day period) anytime - £23.50 - £23.50 - 1 off-peak - £19.60 - £19.60 - 1 (arrive at WAT after 10:00) super off-peak - £15.40 - £15.40 - 1 (arrive at WAT after 12:00 and cannot return between 16:00 and 19:00)
Obviously if you were buying monthlies you would get a bit better value because you wouldn't have to renew immediately.
I don't think the discount on the flexit ticket is quite enough to be honest. You will have to be confident that you will use them all in 28 days. I suspect there will be a lot more people taking the off-peak option, which is actually cheaper than the flexi ticket. Given that commuting is likely to become more about going in for specific purposes, I can see later commuting making more sense for people.
This would've been great for me a few years ago. I was working in Hammersmith and caught the train in to Marylebone. I never went in more than 3 days/week. I used "carnet" tickets for a while which involved writing in dates on tickets. In the end I switched to driving in very early to Westfield (Shepherds Bush). It cost £6/day to park and hopped on a Boris bike to Hammersmith. Used an old car with no depreciation. Saved myself £20 every day I drove in after accounting for petrol.
Having said that I think the flexi should be much closer in price to the monthly.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
It is both the context of the question and the hypocritical stance the media take. One day, the government failed us, they left the border open too long so we got Indian variant, but at exactly that same time, they were also moaning about not being able to go away on foreign holidays for Easter.
It was ever thus. But the govt needs to be queried on every single measure it proposes or is in force. Otherwise why would they bother changing anything? It's bad enough that their huge poll lead means they are minded not to do very much at all right now to hurry things along.
"Of all the vaccines we use, in infancy, childhood, adolescence, and adulthood, none of them have any long-term effects," Schaffner said. "No vaccine has shown side effects 2 to 5 years later. That doesn't exist because there's no biological reason for it."
Schaffner said the argument could also be made that "we know vastly more about mRNA vaccines than we do about Novavax. Novavax is new whereas we've given the mRNA vaccines to 170 million people in the U.S. alone. We may know more about the safety there than we do about Novavax."
Wen said it's still important to emphasize the good safety record of the vaccines while still taking patient preference into account.
"I have no concerns about the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines," Wen told MedPage Today. "That said, there are individuals who may have these concerns, and if another vaccine is what it takes to get them vaccinated, I think we should do everything we can to dispel misinformation while increasing options."...
...Schaffner added that primary care physicians, who often have existing close relationships with their patients, have a big role to play in addressing remaining hesitancy.
"We have to respect why they feel that way and try to find out what is causing it," he said. "We never disrespect the person who is hesitant. We never dismiss them or belittle them. When they realize we will take their concerns seriously, they'll tell us what their issue is. Then we'll say, that's pretty common, I've heard that before, and their anxiety is eased."...
Wait a minute - didn't it take many years of using BCG (against TB) for anyone to notice that it had a long-term protective side effect against some other infections? It's surely plausible that vaccines have other long term side effects that we haven't noticed yet.
Fair point, but does that count as a side effect in this context ? Vaccines clearly have long term effects in training the immune system, in a similar manner to natural infection, but without most of the downsides of the given infection. A better case might be ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement though you'd expect that to have shown up by now.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
Its not that there is no room for a question, its that she has no other questions.
The holiday question gets asked every single time. Other questions don't. That's the problem.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
I think it is Burnham's ego that is causing the fight, a poxy little mayor trying to feel important. Should get back in his box.
Its a fake row that suits both of them. Are the polis going to pull cars over on the M61 and ask where they have come from?
As absurd as this non-ban is its still isn't remotely as silly as the ban imposed on choirs as a few weeks back. That was an actual ban, but apparently nobody cares about music so got little coverage.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
What's in it for you is an incredible level of protection against this horrid disease and to minimize the chance you inadvertently kill grannie.
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
And you should be jolly grateful and stop bothering your welders and betters about it.
I smoked heavily for 30 years, to give you steer on how fussed I am about horrid diseases, and my last granny pegged out in the 80s. I am currently on a train on the West Highland line en route to St kilda, so not immediately fussed about foreign holidays, but people who want them are entitled to want them and to a better answer than Don't you know there's a war on?
St Kilda! Still on my list, sadly. Just a flying visit or as part of a maintenance party?
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
I think it is Burnham's ego that is causing the fight, a poxy little mayor trying to feel important. Should get back in his box.
The population ofScotland is 5.5 million - something like that?
The population of Greater Manchester is 2.8 million, IIRC
Scottish population is about the same as Yorkshire. Both of course God's own country.
But apropos of nothing in particular:
“It is never difficult to distinguish between with a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.”
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
Its not that there is no room for a question, its that she has no other questions.
The holiday question gets asked every single time. Other questions don't. That's the problem.
Not her fault. She evidently has found (through feedback/viewing figures/bosses applauding) that it is a question that people want her to ask.
Let the other journalists ask the other questions. Plenty of questions at these press conferences. I remember Novara Media asking one of the most acute, incisive and damning questions of the whole pandemic, back in March 2020*.
*she asked whether the govt was considering using the police to enforce restrictions, which Boris laughed uproariously at. And then the following day came the announcement that the police would be used to enforce the restrictions.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
It is both the context of the question and the hypocritical stance the media take. One day, the government failed us, they left the border open too long so we got Indian variant, but at exactly that same time, they were also moaning about not being able to go away on foreign holidays for Easter.
It was ever thus. But the govt needs to be queried on every single measure it proposes or is in force. Otherwise why would they bother changing anything? It's bad enough that their huge poll lead means they are minded not to do very much at all right now to hurry things along.
So why isn't the media doing that? Why are you OK with the media obsessing over one measure (holidays) while ignoring and giving a blank cheque to every other measure out there?
That's the issue you're missing it seems. Some of us want every single measure questioned, but they're not, the overwhelming majority of measures are tacitly accepted without any questions whatsoever - while f***ing holidays gets asked about for the 2914th time in a row.
Scotland has voted five times since the indyref. A reminder of the results: (2014 - Indyref - Unionist majority) 2015 - British GE, result in Scotland: Unionist majority 2016 - Scottish GE: Unionist majority 2017 - British GE, result in Scotland: Unionist majority 2019 - British GE, result in Scotland: Unionist majority 2021 - Scottish GE: Unionist majority
Remind me where Donald "Election Winner" Trump's mother was from?
SNP "true belief" is right up Norman Vincent Peale's street. You lost, lost, lost, lost, lost, lost - six times in seven years.
In 2021 there was both a majority of votes cast for Independence parties and majority of MSPs elected on that platform. On what planet was this a "Unionist Majority"?
The type of nonsense currently being peddled by the increasingly desperate Unionists is a sign that they have chosen the Castilian path: authoritarianism and repression. Very un-English. It’s just not cricket.
You don't think "authoritarianism and repression" is very English? Its been the playbook for a millenia!
Further to my previous reply, please note that most of the period 1707-2016 was characterised by English self-restraint. They were so self-assured about their domination of the Union that they rarely needed to prove it. Brexit changed that: England showed that she lacks that natural assurance and she now feels the need to throw her weight about.
Bullying does more harm to the bully than to the bullied.
I gave that a like, but if you think the last sentence is true, you haven't witnessed much bullying.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
It is both the context of the question and the hypocritical stance the media take. One day, the government failed us, they left the border open too long so we got Indian variant, but at exactly that same time, they were also moaning about not being able to go away on foreign holidays for Easter.
It was ever thus. But the govt needs to be queried on every single measure it proposes or is in force. Otherwise why would they bother changing anything? It's bad enough that their huge poll lead means they are minded not to do very much at all right now to hurry things along.
So why isn't the media doing that? Why are you OK with the media obsessing over one measure (holidays) while ignoring and giving a blank cheque to every other measure out there?
That's the issue you're missing it seems. Some of us want every single measure questioned, but they're not, the overwhelming majority of measures are tacitly accepted without any questions whatsoever - while f***ing holidays gets asked about for the 2914th time in a row.
The media is a free market body, for the most part, oh and there is the BBC, obvs.
The media will do what it considers to be in its financial best interests. I would have thought that would delight you. Go Kay!!
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
We Tories won a majority in 2019 on a manifesto commitment of respecting the result of the once in a generation 2014 referendum.
As long as we Tories remain in power with a majority at Westminster we will continue to refuse indyref2 and there is nothing the SNP and Scottish Nationalists can do about it
Its a good job that in your case "we Tories" isn't a definition shared by any other Tories. Because every time you post the same self-important and profoundly deluded shite you make the case for Scottish independence.
"I'm a Unionist" says HYUFD "and the way to keep and preserve the Union is to tell the picts that whatever they vote for we will just ignore them".
It is the view shared by this Tory government which is why it has correctly refused an indyref2 for a generation.
It is a far better way to preserve the Union than allowing Scottish Nationalists an independence referendum every 5 minutes until they get the result they want.
Indeed 4 years after the PP, the Tories' Spanish conservative cousins, refused the Catalan nationalist government a legal independence referendum in 2017 when they were in power in Madrid Catalonia remains part of Spain
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
I didn't see the interview but every time there is a government press conference or interview you get your petticoats in a flutter at the holidays question.
The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
As I said, her framing of the question...it isn't enough of a benefit....that is anti-vax talk....and totally irresponsible. In the context of getting vaccinated, IMO its your civic duty to do so. Its not really about your personal benefit, it for the good of all. But the upside is that it appears it means you are personally incredibly well protected, that's a huge benefit.
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
I disagree with none of that apart from your continued condemnation of her question. It is her job to challenge, provoke, contradict, and condemn the government. In my opinion. If the government has a sensible, cogent, coherent response to the holidays question hurrah - they can tell us all about it. And we should be happy.
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
It is both the context of the question and the hypocritical stance the media take. One day, the government failed us, they left the border open too long so we got Indian variant, but at exactly that same time, they were also moaning about not being able to go away on foreign holidays for Easter.
It was ever thus. But the govt needs to be queried on every single measure it proposes or is in force. Otherwise why would they bother changing anything? It's bad enough that their huge poll lead means they are minded not to do very much at all right now to hurry things along.
So why isn't the media doing that? Why are you OK with the media obsessing over one measure (holidays) while ignoring and giving a blank cheque to every other measure out there?
That's the issue you're missing it seems. Some of us want every single measure questioned, but they're not, the overwhelming majority of measures are tacitly accepted without any questions whatsoever - while f***ing holidays gets asked about for the 2914th time in a row.
The media is a free market body, for the most part, oh and there is the BBC, obvs.
The media will do what it considers to be in its financial best interests. I would have thought that would delight you. Go Kay!!
It will be interesting to know whether Burley is good or bad for business. For me the breakfast program was actually watchable without her and she's the best possible advert for GB News. 😂
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
We Tories won a majority in 2019 on a manifesto commitment of respecting the result of the once in a generation 2014 referendum.
As long as we Tories remain in power with a majority at Westminster we will continue to refuse indyref2 and there is nothing the SNP and Scottish Nationalists can do about it
Which traitors in the cabinet do you think are pushing for a referendum and extending the vote to England based Scots?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Starmer needs you at PMQs. It's difficult to keep to in a combative environment (and although press conferences aren't as bad as PMQs, they are full of people hoping somebody will trip up). You have to make an instant decision whether to pursue slightly unexpected answer X or go with your prepared next question Y.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
What's in it for you is an incredible level of protection against this horrid disease and to minimize the chance you inadvertently kill grannie.
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
And you should be jolly grateful and stop bothering your welders and betters about it.
I smoked heavily for 30 years, to give you steer on how fussed I am about horrid diseases, and my last granny pegged out in the 80s. I am currently on a train on the West Highland line en route to St kilda, so not immediately fussed about foreign holidays, but people who want them are entitled to want them and to a better answer than Don't you know there's a war on?
St Kilda! Still on my list, sadly. Just a flying visit or as part of a maintenance party?
Climbing Boreray would be an adventure and a half. Not sure I fancy the sea stacks though.
Enjoy the Gannets...
Sailing, hoping to get to Leverburgh tomorrow and St K the day after, winds get a bit westerly later in the week. Hope to spend a couple of days there, but no first hand experience of the swell in the anchorage there.
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
As opposed to the SNP wanting their thumb on the scale ?
How would you define a UK Scot? Birth certificate has a location in Scotland?
Okay, what if they lived there 6 months then family moved to England and they've never been back for 60 years? Would someone from Northern Ireland who took a Republic passport, lived in Germany all his life (under FoM) but recently moved to Scotland get the vote?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... the headaches.....
It is very simple you have a residence in Scotland and are on the electoral roll and able to vote in Scottish elections. The only people who have an actual interest in Scotland.
Well that seems simple enough. And birth doesn't come into it? (i.e. non-Scots born Scots residents are included; Scots born non-Scots residents are not)? That's the only reasonable way I can see to do it.
If they are living and working in Scotland and on electoral roll then they have an interest in the future and should get a vote. No-one outside Scotland , born there or not has any interest in having a vote.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
To which the answer is incredibly simple. Yes you can go on holiday but because of the risk of covid variants, you will need to self isolate / stay in quarantine hotel afterwards.
I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.
Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.
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What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...
Having looked at images of the Bristol Beaufighter, I don't think it is. The Beaufighter had a much stubbier nose which the propellers protruded in front of.
And of course, it's not the Mosquito, because that has a rounded cockpit and no gun turret.
Avro Anson, or derivative thereof?
Thought it was an Anson.
The Ventura actually looks more likely now my internet's let me get to Page 2.
Pretty sure that is what it is - further, the diagram was probably cribbed from this diagram
Yes - they seem to have been very effective at getting shot down.
The more you read this kind of thing, the more you understand the opposition to the Mosquito.
Which was actually based on a very scientific calculation - that a twin engined aircraft, with high end engines, with properly designed cooling systems and good aerodynamics, could be designed to have a *cruise speed* in the range of 80% of the top speed of a fighter. Which made intercept curves horrible.
In fact, the Mosquito cruised so fast (some could do 320 with bomb load) that Spitfires were useless as an escort - they had to use lots of throttle to keep up, and that trashed their range even further.
Given the number of Scottish politics enthusiasts here, if Sturgeon were run over by a tram tomorrow, who would be the leading contenders to replace her? Is it certain to be a MSP and not an MP?
I see the brave lads are back to one of their favourite thumb-on-the-scales exercises
Funny how they keep telling us we’re not allowed a referendum, while simultaneously micro-managing the details.
I wouldn't assume that Scots living in rUK are massively pro-Union anyway. I'm not, and my sense from talking to others is that for a lot of people the calculations changed after 2016. Speaking personally, I see mostly upside for me from Scottish independence. I get a Scottish/EU passport. I get to stick it to the Tories. And I'm not personally liable for the fiscal costs of an independent Scotland, so if it doesn't work out well I'm not on the hook. This all sounds pretty selfish and irresponsible, of course - which is why I wouldn't give the vote on this to Scots in rUK. But if they do give me the vote, I'd definitely use it! I wonder what the polling says on this, I don't remember seeing any.
Of course, if they gave the English a vote Scotland would be independent straight away.
So why are you so scared of a referendum then.
I don’t think people in England are scared, only the SNP and UK government.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
We Tories won a majority in 2019 on a manifesto commitment of respecting the result of the once in a generation 2014 referendum.
As long as we Tories remain in power with a majority at Westminster we will continue to refuse indyref2 and there is nothing the SNP and Scottish Nationalists can do about it
Which traitors in the cabinet do you think are pushing for a referendum and extending the vote to England based Scots?
Some weak, wet blanket Ministers, however today's report has no evidence whatsoever the PM is considering allowing a vote and on that basis we should remain of the view he will stick to his position of refusing indyref2.
Refusing a legal indyref2 is the most important task of this government for the rest of its term in power
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Because the point of the exercise is to give your channel/media outlet a soundbite that they can use. They really don't care if the question has been asked and answered already.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
Don't forget the PB demographic is almost wholly: Comfortable.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
To which the answer is incredibly simple. Yes you can go on holiday but because of the risk of covid variants, you will need to self isolate / stay in quarantine hotel afterwards.
"Muh variantz". When will it end in your world? Never.
I have just listened to Sturgeon v Burnham row, and to be honest Sturgeon is mishandling this
If I was a business in Scotland I would be furious, as again she says to the English you are not welcome in Scotland, but at the same time does not isolate Dundee which is worse than Bolton for covid infections
Andy Burnham was restrained, but very coherent and I expect there will be many in Scotland extremely uncomfortable at the image Sturgeon is giving and she has made it a direct political attack by saying she wants a 'grown-up conversation and not a platform for a Labour leadership campaign.
And on that Burnham shames Starmer and would be a breath of fresh air as Labour leader.
And on Boris, am not at all content with him and join the growing band of conservative seeking a new leader asap
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
Don't forget the PB demographic is almost wholly: Comfortable.
Quite the opposite Topping.
Foreign holidays are the worries of those who are Comfortable.
Whether they can get to work, have their wedding go ahead, will have a job soon, can operate profitably with social distancing regulations and all the plethora of other questions the media ignores are questions that matter for those who are uncomfortable or struggling.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
Don't forget the PB demographic is almost wholly: Comfortable.
Quite the opposite Topping.
Foreign holidays are the worries of those who are Comfortable.
Whether they can get to work, have their wedding go ahead, will have a job soon, can operate profitably with social distancing regulations and all the plethora of other questions the media ignores are questions that matter for those who are uncomfortable or struggling.
Foreign holidays are the icing on the cake for people who are comfortable. For a huge demographic they are vital relief from the daily grind. I suggest you head over to Manchester Airport once they are allowed again and try to work out the socio-economic breakdown.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
Yes, good post. The holidays thing is important, sure, but not to the exclusion of everything else. 50,000 weddings are being wrecked by the latest 'guidance' – where is the media pressure on this?
talkRADIO @talkRADIO · 2h Molly Kingsley, co-founder of UsforThem, says "It's criminal" that schools are being told to plan for remote learning and a return of masks to the classroom this autumn.
"We need to take school closures off the table. They are a fundamental right."
I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.
Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.
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What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...
Having looked at images of the Bristol Beaufighter, I don't think it is. The Beaufighter had a much stubbier nose which the propellers protruded in front of.
And of course, it's not the Mosquito, because that has a rounded cockpit and no gun turret.
Avro Anson, or derivative thereof?
Thought it was an Anson.
The Ventura actually looks more likely now my internet's let me get to Page 2.
Pretty sure that is what it is - further, the diagram was probably cribbed from this diagram
Yes - they seem to have been very effective at getting shot down.
The more you read this kind of thing, the more you understand the opposition to the Mosquito.
Which was actually based on a very scientific calculation - that a twin engined aircraft, with high end engines, with properly designed cooling systems and good aerodynamics, could be designed to have a *cruise speed* in the range of 80% of the top speed of a fighter. Which made intercept curves horrible.
In fact, the Mosquito cruised so fast (some could do 320 with bomb load) that Spitfires were useless as an escort - they had to use lots of throttle to keep up, and that trashed their range even further.
The impression I get is that the Ventura was not enough of an improvement over the Mitchell - an extra 50 mph top speed from 1941-1943 was not really enough.
The Telegraph sees Rishi pondering pensions reform.
Three different reforms to the way in which pension contributions are taxed are being considered amid pressure on the public finances, according to well-placed Whitehall sources.
One of the ideas being examined is reducing the pensions lifetime allowance from a little above £1 million to £800,000 or £900,000, lowering the point above which extra tax charges kick in.
Another would see individuals contributing to pensions getting the same rate of tax relief, meaning higher-rate taxpayers lose out, while a third is new taxation on employer contributions.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Are you suggesting I am wrong over my long held opinion that foreign travel should have been far more limited since the start of the pandemic? And those that travelled without good reason have been importing COVID and new variants into the UK, which has caused a lot of problems?
I would argue we would have been free a long time ago if the government had take a far more aggressive "curtain twitcher" approach to unnecessary foreign travel.
And actually the 1 in 200 figure quoted in the Times isn't a "just", its actually quite high. Far higher than really you want, especially if you are going to let millions travel in and out.
People want to go on holiday. It is part of their normal. Not yours that's fine I get it but for many if not most people it is normal and something that provides them with much needed relief from their daily grind without Covid and moreso with Covid.
It is the responsibility of journalists imo to put over the concerns of the people who pay their salaries.
She has been doing this.
It is immaterial what the "answer" is to the holiday question it is important that it is asked. And time and again just in case ministers think it's something they don't need to be aware of.
No its totally irresponsible from Burley. She is forming the question as if there really isn't any benefit to getting properly vaccinated, all because in her opinion foreign travel should be allowed once you have had them.
When Kwasi said its important to protect you, your family and the community, she actually said that isn't enough benefit.
That's quite different from asking a government minister when they think a return to more foreign travel might be allowed. What conditions need to be met etc. I think that is a valid question. The real answer is not this summer.
Why is "that isn't enough benefit" not a reasonable thing to say? We are being encouraged to see getting jabbed as an obligation. Obligations imply reciprocity. So why can't we ask "what's in it for me?"
What's in it for you is an incredible level of protection against this horrid disease and to minimize the chance you inadvertently kill grannie.
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
And you should be jolly grateful and stop bothering your welders and betters about it.
I smoked heavily for 30 years, to give you steer on how fussed I am about horrid diseases, and my last granny pegged out in the 80s. I am currently on a train on the West Highland line en route to St kilda, so not immediately fussed about foreign holidays, but people who want them are entitled to want them and to a better answer than Don't you know there's a war on?
St Kilda! Still on my list, sadly. Just a flying visit or as part of a maintenance party?
Climbing Boreray would be an adventure and a half. Not sure I fancy the sea stacks though.
Enjoy the Gannets...
Sailing, hoping to get to Leverburgh tomorrow and St K the day after, winds get a bit westerly later in the week. Hope to spend a couple of days there, but no first hand experience of the swell in the anchorage there.
Not great by all accounts, but I'm sure you know that.
Way more exotic than sitting on a beach in the Algarve, that's for sure.
How i haven't missed Kay Burley on Sky.....I WANNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT MY SUMMMMMMMERR HOLLLLLIDAYYYY.
Sorry, I never watch - is that a direct quote from her?
Basically she was haranging Kwasi Kwarteng about what the societial benefits of having 2 jabs. And of course he said well its to protect you, your loved ones and the whole community. To which she replied, yes but that isn't enough, why can't we travel, why do we have to quarantine, there has to be more benefits to getting a second jab.
You could see him going, 2 jabs needed againat Delta variant, what is she on about societial benefits....its less likely to bloody kill you, is that not enough?
What she actually was getting at is she wants a foreign summer holiday....
Wrong. Her viewers, many of whom are at a very small risk of Covid, want a holiday.
Of all the Covid PB phenomena your constant puritanical curtain-twitching has been of the least edifying.
Yes and there's a pandemic going on. We're holidaying this year in Cumbria.
I would love all pandemic restrictions to be abolished overnight, but unless they are the last thing to go should be quarantine restrictions.
Again that's not the point.
It is her job to keep the govt thinking about these things and to reflect many of her viewers' concerns.
She is doing that.
What do you think the policy on holidays now should be?
No it is the point. The obsession over holidays has crowded out every other equally important issue.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
Because it's not your priority. We have already established that you are happy with every and any govt restriction including when other people complain that it breaches their red lines....right up until it breaches your own red line so you are an unreliable witness.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
Sorry but you're completely wrong. There aren't zillions of questions, which is why the obsession over holidays is crowding out other issues.
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
How would we know that nothing had changed since the last time it was asked unless it was asked again?
Since yesterday and every other day? 🤦♂️
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
Part of the problem is that the journalists don't seem to adapt their questions to other questions, or the answers to those questions.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
Holidays which don't involve suffering the rain and making the best of a shit experience matter to people.
Don't forget the PB demographic is almost wholly: Comfortable.
Quite the opposite Topping.
Foreign holidays are the worries of those who are Comfortable.
Whether they can get to work, have their wedding go ahead, will have a job soon, can operate profitably with social distancing regulations and all the plethora of other questions the media ignores are questions that matter for those who are uncomfortable or struggling.
That's completely untrue and woefully ignorant. Look at the Jet2 customer demographic.
Given the number of Scottish politics enthusiasts here, if Sturgeon were run over by a tram tomorrow, who would be the leading contenders to replace her? Is it certain to be a MSP and not an MP?
She would want it to be Macbeth Robertson but would depend if the clique could get the sheeple to continue but imagine their would be a bit of a rammy.
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The protecting "you, your family and the community" will keep us locked down for 10 years.
Fine for you. Not so much for others. She is asking exactly the right questions. Or would you prefer her to agree with everything the govt says?
It could really be a lovely place if the regeneration is done well
He's the huge autistic fella from Cromarty isn't he? I liked him.
When the media get to ask questions, where are the important questions over weddings, or domestic tourism restrictions, or a plethora of other issues to be raised? Instead every single frigging time its holidays to the exclusion of all others.
That's not doing the job, that's an obsession. Doing the job, keeping them thinking, would be to bring different perspectives, different questions from time to time.
It also cannot be said that the whole team was superb. After 2 matches we are the only team in the competition yet to score a goal.
Having said that I think the flexi should be much closer in price to the monthly.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/09/07/how-do-english-and-welsh-people-feel-about-scotlan
We won't be locked down for 10 years. I wasn't even really for the extension of another month, but that will be it then. Enough will be vaccinated that we can internally start to return to normal life. What we do need to do for the summer though is just the take it steady, try not to import cases / a new variant en masse like last summer.
Then we will hopefully have low case numbers and start to roll out booster jab in September. At which point everything will start to go back to normal on all fronts.
Step 5 would be to essentially treat double-vaccinated people travelling to amber countries as travelling to green countries (so test but no quarantine) and double-vaccinated people travelling to green countries as domestic (so no need for a test).
Step 6 would be to abolish all restrictions barring red lists (abolishing testing, quarantining, everything).
We are going to Austria and Italy. Fuck the restrictions and fuck Cumbria.
Plus, Sturgeons too busy picking a fight with Manchester
And have you worked out the rigmarole with testing? Serious question. I am intent on travelling myself, soon, but the procedures are Byzantine. Surely deliberate, to make travel such a faff hardly anyone bothers
Kwasi explained this and Kay Burley said well that's not enough. I want to travel abroad.
And guess what? Other people care about holidays a lot and those questions are for those people.
Crowded out? Are you kidding? There are zillions of questions about everything. Room for all.
As long as we Tories remain in power with a majority at Westminster we will continue to refuse indyref2 and there is nothing the SNP and Scottish Nationalists can do about it
And, for the Brexiteers, back in the 50's & early 60's, holidays were taken in the UK. My fiancee and I were considered quite daring, flying to the Channel Islands when studies finished, in 1961.
So which is, we should have stricter border controls, which means no jollies abroad, or lax controls so people can (but I guess just the two weeks they have booked in Santorini, not the other 50 weeks).
The thought that there is no room for a question that is hugely important to millions of people is bizarre.
I smoked heavily for 30 years, to give you steer on how fussed I am about horrid diseases, and my last granny pegged out in the 80s. I am currently on a train on the West Highland line en route to St kilda, so not immediately fussed about foreign holidays, but people who want them are entitled to want them and to a better answer than Don't you know there's a war on?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9708221/Euro-2020-Scotlands-new-star-Billy-Gilmour-tests-positive-Covid.html
@Anabobazina was wisely alerting us to the issue of brides and wedding restrictions recently, but I never saw a single question on it until after Step 4 was delayed when suddenly it got mentioned on the news.
But every single time holidays are mentioned. We get it, people want a holiay, but nothing's changed realistically since the last time it was asked and there's a plethora of questions not getting asked in the meantime.
Realistically in the Press Conferences the mainstream news media gets 3 questions: One each for the BBC, ITV and Sky. Of those 3 questions you can almost invariably guarantee that one or two of those questions will be on whatever news story is dominating the day (especially if its embarrassing for the government) while the other one or two will be on holidays. Every single time. Other issues like weddings etc don't get a look in.
Its not about what is or isn't my priority, it is the complete and utter falure to have any balance that is why the media is failing to do its job properly.
If holidays were brought up from time to time instead of every time, with other questions in the mix, it would be reasonable.
The population of Greater Manchester is 2.8 million, IIRC
E2A: the are FB groups full of like minded anarchists for discussing the logistics of all this.
"I'm a Unionist" says HYUFD "and the way to keep and preserve the Union is to tell the picts that whatever they vote for we will just ignore them".
Ideal for Ted Heath's Government.
Vaccines clearly have long term effects in training the immune system, in a similar manner to natural infection, but without most of the downsides of the given infection.
A better case might be ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
though you'd expect that to have shown up by now.
The holiday question gets asked every single time. Other questions don't. That's the problem.
Malmesbury has just given more excellent questions that could be asked. Are you like Burley incapable of thinking of anything at all that is an issue anywhere in this country other than holidays?
As absurd as this non-ban is its still isn't remotely as silly as the ban imposed on choirs as a few weeks back. That was an actual ban, but apparently nobody cares about music so got little coverage.
I’ve got a disabled railcard and buying anytime tickets journey-by-journey works out cheaper!
Today is a good day to cross. Tomorrow might be a bit rougher.
https://magicseaweed.com/North-Atlantic-Surf-Chart/2/?type=swell
Climbing Boreray would be an adventure and a half. Not sure I fancy the sea stacks though.
Enjoy the Gannets...
But apropos of nothing in particular:
“It is never difficult to distinguish between with a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.”
― P.G. Wodehouse, Blandings Castle
Let the other journalists ask the other questions. Plenty of questions at these press conferences. I remember Novara Media asking one of the most acute, incisive and damning questions of the whole pandemic, back in March 2020*.
*she asked whether the govt was considering using the police to enforce restrictions, which Boris laughed uproariously at. And then the following day came the announcement that the police would be used to enforce the restrictions.
That's the issue you're missing it seems. Some of us want every single measure questioned, but they're not, the overwhelming majority of measures are tacitly accepted without any questions whatsoever - while f***ing holidays gets asked about for the 2914th time in a row.
When I attend conferences, I try creating question "trees" - a sequence of questions and possible answers. So if someone else asks the same question I want to ask, I jump to the next question in that "tree". Or, if they have ended that "tree", switch to another...
Why can't they do that?
The media will do what it considers to be in its financial best interests. I would have thought that would delight you. Go Kay!!
https://twitter.com/LukeSmithF1/status/1406923623894556678
https://order-order.com/2021/06/21/sadiq-khan-gifts-himself-a-post-election-10-pay-rise/
It is a far better way to preserve the Union than allowing Scottish Nationalists an independence referendum every 5 minutes until they get the result they want.
Indeed 4 years after the PP, the Tories' Spanish conservative cousins, refused the Catalan nationalist government a legal independence referendum in 2017 when they were in power in Madrid Catalonia remains part of Spain
Which was actually based on a very scientific calculation - that a twin engined aircraft, with high end engines, with properly designed cooling systems and good aerodynamics, could be designed to have a *cruise speed* in the range of 80% of the top speed of a fighter. Which made intercept curves horrible.
In fact, the Mosquito cruised so fast (some could do 320 with bomb load) that Spitfires were useless as an escort - they had to use lots of throttle to keep up, and that trashed their range even further.
Refusing a legal indyref2 is the most important task of this government for the rest of its term in power
If I was a business in Scotland I would be furious, as again she says to the English you are not welcome in Scotland, but at the same time does not isolate Dundee which is worse than Bolton for covid infections
Andy Burnham was restrained, but very coherent and I expect there will be many in Scotland extremely uncomfortable at the image Sturgeon is giving and she has made it a direct political attack by saying she wants a 'grown-up conversation and not a platform for a Labour leadership campaign.
And on that Burnham shames Starmer and would be a breath of fresh air as Labour leader.
And on Boris, am not at all content with him and join the growing band of conservative seeking a new leader asap
Foreign holidays are the worries of those who are Comfortable.
Whether they can get to work, have their wedding go ahead, will have a job soon, can operate profitably with social distancing regulations and all the plethora of other questions the media ignores are questions that matter for those who are uncomfortable or struggling.
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Molly Kingsley, co-founder of UsforThem, says "It's criminal" that schools are being told to plan for remote learning and a return of masks to the classroom this autumn.
"We need to take school closures off the table. They are a fundamental right."
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1406901904106471427
2015/16 £137bn
Difference £22bn (20/21 prices)
That’s a real terms increase of £423m per week.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget
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Way more exotic than sitting on a beach in the Algarve, that's for sure.