The more educated voters are the less likely they’ll be satisfied with BoJo – politicalbetting.com

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The more educated voters are the less likely they’ll be satisfied with BoJo – politicalbetting.com

One of the common themes following the Chesham by-election is that 40% of those in the constituency are graduates – a proportion that is markedly higher than in either Hartlepool (CON GAIN) and Batley & Spen (Election July 1). This was a key part of the Curtice post election analysis which was a big reason why it was vulnerable to the LDs.

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rottenborough

First. Like the class of degree needed to be able to fully see Johnson for what he is.

FrancisUrquhart

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

SandyRentool

It would be useful to normalise by age as well as degree or no degree. One may be superimposed on the other.

alex_

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

As has been stated repeatedly, but some people still love to repeat the "all Tories are thick, uneducated pillocks" line.

SandyRentool

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Unsurprisingly, I agree with your post!

IshmaelZ

rottenborough said:

First. Like the class of degree needed to be able to fully see Johnson for what he is.

Really? I would have thought a fourth, pass or aegrotat was quite adequate.

Floater

Uh oh

https://twitter.com/HasanSari7/status/1406662801997828103

#Iran's State TV: Emergency closure of Bushehr nuclear power plant underway.

FrancisUrquhart

Floater said:

Uh oh

https://twitter.com/HasanSari7/status/1406662801997828103

#Iran's State TV: Emergency closure of Bushehr nuclear power plant underway.

Those scamps from Israel at it again?

FrancisUrquhart

This isn't going to go down well...I can hear the cries from parents of some 20st kid to the media that Johnny is just big boned and very muscular for his age.

Schools to weigh pupils over fears of obesity spike

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1406724216163029002?s=20

rottenborough

IshmaelZ said:

rottenborough said:

First. Like the class of degree needed to be able to fully see Johnson for what he is.

Really? I would have thought a fourth, pass or aegrotat was quite adequate.

I had never heard of aegrotat until this post. Had to google it. Must be some problem with my education.

isam

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

NickPalmer

FPT re the French regionals:

dixiedean said:

A record low of between 66 and 68%!
We'd be lucky to get that.

No, that's the abstention rate! - 32-34% voted. At previous regionals it was 50+.

gealbhan

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

In the header is statistical fact though?

Nigelb

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

Looks as though you need to check your own sneering resentment there.

Stark_Dawning

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

But perhaps it emphasizes a point that Matthew Parris made - if western populations are becoming more educated but the Tories are chasing the unschooled riff-raff then their engaging in their own demographic doom. Might help with Boris's career but after that...?

SandyRentool

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

Try the Engineering Faculty. Less woke than a Bernard Manning box set.

Roger

That's one of those 'Pope's a Catholic' findings

FrancisUrquhart

Fewer than one in 200 travellers from amber list countries are testing positive on their return - piling further pressure on ministers to relax rules on foreign travel:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/just-1-in-200-amber-list-travellers-have-coronavirus-558t5f6kv

To me that seems quite high a high proportion.

FrancisUrquhart

Roger said:

That's one of those 'Pope's a Catholic' findings

Except it isn't.....it only seems like that to the innumerate.

MarqueeMark

alex_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

As has been stated repeatedly, but some people still love to repeat the "all Tories are thick, uneducated pillocks" line.

It's almost as if the more the educational system heaps awards on them for their intellect, the less able they are to consider there might be other viewpoints than their own....

FrancisUrquhart

What Bill Gates said 15 months ago...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/06/19/covid-19-vaccine-mrna-tech-cure-cancer-tumors/7711271002/

glw

alex_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

As has been stated repeatedly, but some people still love to repeat the "all Tories are thick, uneducated pillocks" line.

It's such an obviously flawed statement that it's the sort of thing only a thick, uneducated pillock would say.

MarqueeMark

rottenborough said:

IshmaelZ said:

rottenborough said:

First. Like the class of degree needed to be able to fully see Johnson for what he is.

Really? I would have thought a fourth, pass or aegrotat was quite adequate.

I had never heard of aegrotat until this post. Had to google it. Must be some problem with my education.

Thicko Leaver!

Roger

...lower than Hartlepool?

I'm shocked...SHOCKED!

Flatlander

FrancisUrquhart said:

Fewer than one in 200 travellers from amber list countries are testing positive on their return - piling further pressure on ministers to relax rules on foreign travel:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/just-1-in-200-amber-list-travellers-have-coronavirus-558t5f6kv

To me that seems quite high a high proportion.

It is higher than the national average, isn't it? That was about 1 in 520 last week. Thus this is a net importation, and caution is justified.

darkage

This is consistent with the reality - university education is a process of socialisation in to a progressive value system.

Johnson is also good at appealing to ordinary people, he should get some credit for that.

isam

gealbhan said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

In the header is statistical fact though?

Seems so, but it’s presented in very condescending way, reminscent of Remains approach to leave voters concerns, which ultimately led to their defeat

dixiedean

NickPalmer said:

FPT re the French regionals:

dixiedean said:

A record low of between 66 and 68%!
We'd be lucky to get that.

No, that's the abstention rate! - 32-34% voted. At previous regionals it was 50+.

Cheers. Replied to you on the other thread. That'll teach me to read the French press!

isam

Stark_Dawning said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

But perhaps it emphasizes a point that Matthew Parris made - if western populations are becoming more educated but the Tories are chasing the unschooled riff-raff then their engaging in their own demographic doom. Might help with Boris's career but after that...?

It could well be - getting 50% of kids into establishments that brainwash them into thinking not voting Labour is akin to madness was a good long term plan by Blair

Gnudders

There may be a limit to Tory scope for doing what they did in 2019: selling "educated" seats to the LibDems in return for winning "uneducated" ones from Labour. So do they

1) change the pitch to aim for the "somewhat uneducated" rather than the "highly uneducated"?

2) aim some messaging at the intersection of "uneducated" and "don't vote"?

3) try to alter the demography itself, pushing the "moderately educated/uneducated" towards the "highly uneducated" part of the spectrum?

The problem with 1) is the effect it might have on the "highly uneducated"? Can't take their votes for granted. They're unlikely to become enamoured with Keir Starmer, but there are quite a few uneducated Leavers who may not need much encouragement to vote for a new right-wing party that gives voice to their feeling of being betrayed.

2) might win ground for a "Pirate" party, but I doubt it's much of a goer for the Tories.

Which leaves 3).

And they may have some success with it. It's not easy for Labour to make progress saying "use your loaf and please actually think about this" when the Tories are saying "haven't you heard enough from the interlecktchuals"?

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Bately and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

FrancisUrquhart

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country. Anybody can pick on specific instance.

Yes, but this is the one relating to the current betting. B and S is younger, yet less higher education. Not good for Labour.

isam

What would people’s prices be for C&A at the next GE? Two horse race, so just 50/50 style percentages

FrancisUrquhart

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country. Anybody can pick on specific instance.

Yes, but this is the one relating to the current betting. B and S is younger, yet less higher education. Not good for Labour.

I would be hesitant to place too much weight in one seat based on this, especially given the other factors in play. Labour choice of candidate, the delay of Freedom Day, George Galloway ramble rousing the Muslim population.

Roger

darkage said:

This is consistent with the reality - university education is a process of socialisation in to a progressive value system.

Johnson is also good at appealing to ordinary people, he should get some credit for that.

You mean bigots and racists? Surely not too much credit

glw

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

FrancisUrquhart

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

...

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

This is the population pyramid for Chesham and Amersham.




So not a particularly young population. Peaks with the Boomers, and plenty of older voters, just better educated ones.

Quite obviously most would have been to university several decades ago too, not in the current supposedly Woke era.

Roger

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

This is the population pyramid for Chesham and Amersham.




So not a particularly young population. Peaks with the Boomers, and plenty of older voters, just better educated ones.

So back to the drawing board for the rapid rebuttal unit. (Where's Philip Thompson when you need him....)

beentheredonethat

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

FrancisUrquhart

Roger said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

This is the population pyramid for Chesham and Amersham.




So not a particularly young population. Peaks with the Boomers, and plenty of older voters, just better educated ones.

So back to the drawing board for the rapid rebuttal unit. (Where's Philip Thompson when you need him....)

Not really, come back when somebody has done a full serious nationwide analysis. Not one seat, days after a huge decision by the prime minister with a whole load of local factors.

We can see in the polls the Tories win the old by a huge margin, only about 10% of those went to uni vs 50% that go now. As the discussion on the previous thread, according to Angela Rayner we shouldn't be considering non-science degrees as any indication of being educated these days.

I wouldn't be surprised if Labour win the other by-election, thus going against the "trend", for a whole load of other reasons.

RobD

Roger said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

This is the population pyramid for Chesham and Amersham.




So not a particularly young population. Peaks with the Boomers, and plenty of older voters, just better educated ones.

So back to the drawing board for the rapid rebuttal unit. (Where's Philip Thompson when you need him....)

I don't think anything has been rebutted. rather they are making different points. @FrancisUrquhart is talking about the fact you can have a hidden correlation in the data presented in the header, whereas @Foxy is talking about the demographics within a few seats.

Pagan2

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

darkage

Roger said:

darkage said:

This is consistent with the reality - university education is a process of socialisation in to a progressive value system.

Johnson is also good at appealing to ordinary people, he should get some credit for that.

You mean bigots and racists? Surely not too much credit

The UK is pretty much the worst place in the world to be an actual racist.

Flatlander

Roger said:

darkage said:

This is consistent with the reality - university education is a process of socialisation in to a progressive value system.

Johnson is also good at appealing to ordinary people, he should get some credit for that.

You mean bigots and racists? Surely not too much credit

Bigot: A person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

Hmm....

Floater

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1406616600204165120

The insanity of modern Labour. Their leader, his family and their candidate in Batley are being subjected to anti-Semitic and homophobic abuse. But for fear of offending a section of their base, they prefer to focus on those highlighting the attacks, than the attacks themselves.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1406616600204165120

isam

Come on, just for fun. What’s your %s for Chesham & Amersham at the next GE

FrancisUrquhart

Floater said:

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1406616600204165120

The insanity of modern Labour. Their leader, his family and their candidate in Batley are being subjected to anti-Semitic and homophobic abuse. But for fear of offending a section of their base, they prefer to focus on those highlighting the attacks, than the attacks themselves.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1406616600204165120

"Because they're not just scared of upsetting the Muslim base. They're also scared of upsetting Corbynites, and a section of their white liberal base."

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1406618961941348356?s=20

Roger

A new slogan for the Lib Dems and Labour

"Sid and Doris vote Boris'

FrancisUrquhart

Roger said:

A new slogan for the Lib Dems and Labour

"Sid and Doris vote Boris'

And give him an 80 seat majority at GE's.....as Sid and Doris are the ones that get very annoyed at being labelled thick racists by people like you and thus turn up at the polls even more determined to vote for him.

MaxPB

So the government's response to all of the borrowing is to raise taxes on working people just delayed by 20 years while keeping the triple lock for current oldies.

It's almost as if the Tories are attempting to lose the working age vote forever. Once again generation selfish has decided it's better to stuff the prospects of the next generation and the one after us.

The whole nation will be zombified to keep the baby boomer generation comfortable with multiple rental properties, defined benefit pensions and a triple lock state pension. All of our productivity gains are being wasted on these three things because the wankers over 60 decided that leeching off the young was easier than actually saving for their own retirements.

It's time to impoverish them significantly, make their rental properties worthless, tax pension income above £50k at a windfall rate to reduce income tax paid by working age people, axe the triple lock.

The UK has an incredible and dynamic economy. I fear that the baby boomer generation will keep treating the under 50s that have made it like that as a free money cash cow whilst simultaneously locking under 30s out of the housing market with landlording, leechcraft and NIMBYism.

The nation's most selfish generation, they've only ever been about themselves. Their parents fought and won a war in a collective act of selflessness. They've lumbered their children and grandchildren with decades of debt and tax because they couldn't bear to stay at home for a year and still can't exercise restraint so are contriving to keep the nation locked up in case anyone younger than them actually has some fun.

Pagan2

Roger said:

A new slogan for the Lib Dems and Labour

"Sid and Doris vote Boris'

Sid works down the bakery making bread, Doris works in the care home wiping demented arses...you make propaganda films about tampon brands....I think we all know who is needed on the B ark

FrancisUrquhart

MaxPB said:

So the government's response to all of the borrowing is to raise taxes on working people just delayed by 20 years while keeping the triple lock for current oldies.

It's almost as if the Tories are attempting to lose the working age vote forever. Once again generation selfish has decided it's better to stuff the prospects of the next generation and the one after us.

The whole nation will be zombified to keep the baby boomer generation comfortable with multiple rental properties, defined benefit pensions and a triple lock state pension. All of our productivity gains are being wasted on these three things because the wankers over 60 decided that leeching off the young was easier than actually saving for their own retirements.

It's time to impoverish them significantly, make their rental properties worthless, tax pension income above £50k at a windfall rate to reduce income tax paid by working age people, axe the triple lock.

The UK has an incredible and dynamic economy. I fear that the baby boomer generation will keep treating the under 50s that have made it like that as a free money cash cow whilst simultaneously locking under 30s out of the housing market with landlording, leechcraft and NIMBYism.

The nation's most selfish generation, they've only ever been about themselves. Their parents fought and won a war in a collective act of selflessness. They've lumbered their children and grandchildren with decades of debt and tax because they couldn't bear to stay at home for a year and still can't exercise restraint so are contriving to keep the nation locked up in case anyone younger than them actually has some fun.

I listened to a podcast with one of Biden's economic advisers. I found it very concerning. Doesn't matter we are going to borrow trillions, inflation isn't a thing anymore (it sounded so much like Brown's boasting of eliminating boom and bust), it doesn't matter we are fire hosing money at plenty of people who don't need it, it will hit plenty of people who do. And the most important things are at the moment to spend, and climate change and racial justice*....we will worry about the borrowing over the next 10-15 years.

* this is supposed from an economist, not a social policy wonk.

The attitude to inflation is a thing that was particularly worrying, because if US starts seeing it, we will all suffer.

NickPalmer

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country. Anybody can pick on specific instance.

Yes, but this is the one relating to the current betting. B and S is younger, yet less higher education. Not good for Labour.

I would be hesitant to place too much weight in one seat based on this, especially given the other factors in play. Labour choice of candidate, the delay of Freedom Day, George Galloway ramble rousing the Muslim population.

Well, I do think ramble-rousing is particularly British. "Reject fast hiking now!" "We demand a cup of tea!"

FrancisUrquhart

NickPalmer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

Median age in C and A is 41.5 years

Hartlepool 38.5

Barely and Spen 36.5

So C and A have the oldest, yet best educated population.

I meant across the country. Anybody can pick on specific instance.

Yes, but this is the one relating to the current betting. B and S is younger, yet less higher education. Not good for Labour.

I would be hesitant to place too much weight in one seat based on this, especially given the other factors in play. Labour choice of candidate, the delay of Freedom Day, George Galloway ramble rousing the Muslim population.

Well, I do think ramble-rousing is particularly British. "Reject fast hiking now!" "We demand a cup of tea!"

Except as we saw with the mob that formed over the teacher in the constituency it got a lot dicer than that. So George turning up doing his thing isn't very helpful.

Flatlander

MaxPB said:

So the government's response to all of the borrowing is to raise taxes on working people just delayed by 20 years while keeping the triple lock for current oldies.

It's almost as if the Tories are attempting to lose the working age vote forever. Once again generation selfish has decided it's better to stuff the prospects of the next generation and the one after us.

The whole nation will be zombified to keep the baby boomer generation comfortable with multiple rental properties, defined benefit pensions and a triple lock state pension. All of our productivity gains are being wasted on these three things because the wankers over 60 decided that leeching off the young was easier than actually saving for their own retirements.

It's time to impoverish them significantly, make their rental properties worthless, tax pension income above £50k at a windfall rate to reduce income tax paid by working age people, axe the triple lock.

The UK has an incredible and dynamic economy. I fear that the baby boomer generation will keep treating the under 50s that have made it like that as a free money cash cow whilst simultaneously locking under 30s out of the housing market with landlording, leechcraft and NIMBYism.

The nation's most selfish generation, they've only ever been about themselves. Their parents fought and won a war in a collective act of selflessness. They've lumbered their children and grandchildren with decades of debt and tax because they couldn't bear to stay at home for a year and still can't exercise restraint so are contriving to keep the nation locked up in case anyone younger than them actually has some fun.

Excellent rant. Defined pensions were and are the worst pyramid scheme ever.

My father in law has now drawn more from his pension (in real terms!) then he ever earned in his entire working life.

dixiedean

isam said:

Come on, just for fun. What’s your %s for Chesham & Amersham at the next GE

Depends. Got to be Tory favourite.
However. C+A could drift into the LD column.
Depends on 2 things. What the government does, and how popular and hard working the new MP is. 8k is a decent majority.
As 1 of only 12 she'll have a higher profile than 1 of 360 odd.
I'd go 75-25.

Andy_JS

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

Gnudders

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

dixiedean

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

No.

isam

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

If that Dan Hodges article is half true, it sounds horrifically toxic in Batley & Spen. Literal whipping up of anti semitism to get the Muslim vote. What a disaster

rcs1000

alex_ said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We need to normalize against proportion who went to university of different age demographics to really make statement about links to educational achievement, otherwise it is really a proxy for age.

As has been stated repeatedly, but some people still love to repeat the "all Tories are thick, uneducated pillocks" line.

Not *all* Tories.

Andy_JS

isam said:

Come on, just for fun. What’s your %s for Chesham & Amersham at the next GE

Con 48%
LD 42%
Lab 6%
Others 4%

Malmesbury

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

...

What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...

FrancisUrquhart

isam said:

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

If that Dan Hodges article is half true, it sounds horrifically toxic in Batley & Spen. Literal whipping up of anti semitism to get the Muslim vote. What a disaster

Canvassing outside Jamia Masjid in Heckmondwike on Friday, the Labour candidate in the Batley and Spen byelection, Kim Leadbeater, received a hostile reception from voters who are unhappy with the party’s stance on foreign policy issues such as Palestine and Kashmir, amid a perception that the party takes some forms of racism more seriously than others.

The accusation “you’ve taken our votes for granted” was repeatedly levelled at Leadbeater and Lisa Nandy, the shadow foreign secretary and Wigan MP, who joined her on the campaign trail.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/20/muslims-keir-starmer-leaves-batley-voters-disaffected-labour

FrancisUrquhart

The government’s chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, has been asked by Boris Johnson to investigate whether the UK’s successful vaccine procurement programme can be replicated in other areas of technology.

Vallance, who has become a household name following his appearances at coronavirus press conferences, will take on the new title of national technology adviser, serving alongside his current roles.

Johnson has been fixated on the success of the vaccine taskforce, which was led by the venture capitalist Kate Bingham and operated with relative autonomy outside the existing civil service structures.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/20/sir-patrick-vallance-national-technology-adviser

Ohhhh goody more dodgy models / graphs.

Flatlander

Gnudders said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

"Creativity of thought" within certain bounds, though.

Biology isn't really a softer science even if there are some descriptive parts. Quite a lot of it is pretty hard science, particularly the biochemistry. Even the description and cataloguing of species has been reduced to DNA analysis these days.

another_richard

Isn't going £30k into debt to get a crap degree a good indicator of stupidity ?

rcs1000

FrancisUrquhart said:

Fewer than one in 200 travellers from amber list countries are testing positive on their return - piling further pressure on ministers to relax rules on foreign travel:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/just-1-in-200-amber-list-travellers-have-coronavirus-558t5f6kv

To me that seems quite high a high proportion.

That's because that is quite a high proportion. It's the equivalent of 350,000 Brits currently having active CV19 infections, against the 220,000 that ZOE currently estimates.

What's doubly impressive, of course, is that probably a third or more of those who are travelling from amber countries are double vaccinated. The vast majority of US travellers will be, most from Canada, and an increasing proportion of European visitors.

So, it's probably more like 1% of unvaccinated travellers.

Pagan2

Gnudders said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

2+2 has one answer

Answer what is this poet trying to say has many yet if you deviate from one of the accepted answers you will get no points no matter how well you answer and what your reasons. Yes its true some stem is unproved theories that could turn out to be wrong but most of it there is one and only one correct answer. There are not multiple answers for example for ohm's law

rcs1000

Andy_JS said:

isam said:

Come on, just for fun. What’s your %s for Chesham & Amersham at the next GE

Con 48%
LD 42%
Lab 6%
Others 4%

I suspect that will be eerily accurate.

rcs1000

FrancisUrquhart said:

What Bill Gates said 15 months ago...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/06/19/covid-19-vaccine-mrna-tech-cure-cancer-tumors/7711271002/

mRNA based immunotherapy is going to be absolutely massive.

rcs1000

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories says the man complaining about others sneering...

isam

FrancisUrquhart said:

isam said:

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

If that Dan Hodges article is half true, it sounds horrifically toxic in Batley & Spen. Literal whipping up of anti semitism to get the Muslim vote. What a disaster

Canvassing outside Jamia Masjid in Heckmondwike on Friday, the Labour candidate in the Batley and Spen byelection, Kim Leadbeater, received a hostile reception from voters who are unhappy with the party’s stance on foreign policy issues such as Palestine and Kashmir, amid a perception that the party takes some forms of racism more seriously than others.

The accusation “you’ve taken our votes for granted” was repeatedly levelled at Leadbeater and Lisa Nandy, the shadow foreign secretary and Wigan MP, who joined her on the campaign trail.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/20/muslims-keir-starmer-leaves-batley-voters-disaffected-labour

If elections in England are going to be decided by being able to deter Muslims from voting for a because it’s leaders wife is Jewish, can anyone really say we are becoming a tolerant society? It’s incredible to think this might even be true

another_richard

rcs1000 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Fewer than one in 200 travellers from amber list countries are testing positive on their return - piling further pressure on ministers to relax rules on foreign travel:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/just-1-in-200-amber-list-travellers-have-coronavirus-558t5f6kv

To me that seems quite high a high proportion.

That's because that is quite a high proportion. It's the equivalent of 350,000 Brits currently having active CV19 infections, against the 220,000 that ZOE currently estimates.

What's doubly impressive, of course, is that probably a third or more of those who are travelling from amber countries are double vaccinated. The vast majority of US travellers will be, most from Canada, and an increasing proportion of European visitors.

So, it's probably more like 1% of unvaccinated travellers.

Whatever the number the media would claim it justifies removing restrictions on international travel.

isam

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories says the man complaining about others sneering...

Yes he does

rcs1000

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

You know, this is complete bullshit.

I studied philosophy at University with a brilliant woman (who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer). On a number of her exams, she savaged current thinking, often making very sarcastic digs at her own tutors.

And she got a Starred First, and was top of the class. She did this, it is worth noting, while simultaneously getting Firsts in English and Music.

So the idea that you need to agree with your tutors and the groupthink is - in many subjects at least - complete bullisht.

MarqueeMark

FrancisUrquhart said:

isam said:

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

If that Dan Hodges article is half true, it sounds horrifically toxic in Batley & Spen. Literal whipping up of anti semitism to get the Muslim vote. What a disaster

Canvassing outside Jamia Masjid in Heckmondwike on Friday, the Labour candidate in the Batley and Spen byelection, Kim Leadbeater, received a hostile reception from voters who are unhappy with the party’s stance on foreign policy issues such as Palestine and Kashmir, amid a perception that the party takes some forms of racism more seriously than others.

The accusation “you’ve taken our votes for granted” was repeatedly levelled at Leadbeater and Lisa Nandy, the shadow foreign secretary and Wigan MP, who joined her on the campaign trail.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/20/muslims-keir-starmer-leaves-batley-voters-disaffected-labour

This was interesting:

"Analysis from the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), using 2018 data from the ONS, suggests Batley and Spen is one of the top 15 seats where Muslim voters have high impact. With turnout estimates, MCB say that about 8,600 voters on 1 July will be Muslim. Labour is defending a 3,525 majority."

MrEd

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

An outside shot which would depend on:

(1) generally low turnout except for:
(2) Muslim vote that is organised and swings for Galloway
(3) Heavy Woollen vote not going to the Tories but staying at home / fringe candidates
(4) Tories not inspiring people

Look for BJ going there as he did with Hartlepool pre-election. If the Tories are confident, he will be up there.

FrancisUrquhart

rcs1000 said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

You know, this is complete bullshit.

I studied philosophy at University with a brilliant woman (who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer). On a number of her exams, she savaged current thinking, often making very sarcastic digs at her own tutors.

And she got a Starred First, and was top of the class. She did this, it is worth noting, while simultaneously getting Firsts in English and Music.

So the idea that you need to agree with your tutors and the groupthink is - in many subjects at least - complete bullisht.

"who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer"

Is that expressing sadness that she wasted her talents becoming spawn of Satan i.e. a lawyer? ;-)

rcs1000

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

...

What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...

A Bristol Beaufighter I would guess...

rcs1000

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

You know, this is complete bullshit.

I studied philosophy at University with a brilliant woman (who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer). On a number of her exams, she savaged current thinking, often making very sarcastic digs at her own tutors.

And she got a Starred First, and was top of the class. She did this, it is worth noting, while simultaneously getting Firsts in English and Music.

So the idea that you need to agree with your tutors and the groupthink is - in many subjects at least - complete bullisht.

"who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer"

Is that expressing sadness that she wasted her talents becoming spawn of Satan i.e. a lawyer? ;-)

Yes.

rcs1000

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories says the man complaining about others sneering...

Yes he does

Don't you think it sounds just a little bit... how to put this... sneering?

rcs1000

MrEd said:

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

An outside shot which would depend on:

(1) generally low turnout except for:
(2) Muslim vote that is organised and swings for Galloway
(3) Heavy Woollen vote not going to the Tories but staying at home / fringe candidates
(4) Tories not inspiring people

Look for BJ going there as he did with Hartlepool pre-election. If the Tories are confident, he will be up there.

I think it's unlikely.

Frankly, I doubt there are enough call girls in Batley & Spen to make a big difference to the result.

isam

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories says the man complaining about others sneering...

Yes he does

Don't you think it sounds just a little bit... how to put this... sneering?

Not really

Malmesbury

Pagan2 said:

Gnudders said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

2+2 has one answer

Answer what is this poet trying to say has many yet if you deviate from one of the accepted answers you will get no points no matter how well you answer and what your reasons. Yes its true some stem is unproved theories that could turn out to be wrong but most of it there is one and only one correct answer. There are not multiple answers for example for ohm's law

import java.lang.reflect.Field;

public class WinstonSmith {
public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
Class access = Integer.class.getDeclaredClasses()[0];
Field cacheField = access.getDeclaredField("cache");
cacheField.setAccessible(true);
Integer[] array = (Integer[]) cacheField.get(access);
array[132] = array[133];
System.out.printf("2 + 2 = %d",2 + 2);
}
}

rcs1000

Malmesbury said:

Pagan2 said:

Gnudders said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

2+2 has one answer

Answer what is this poet trying to say has many yet if you deviate from one of the accepted answers you will get no points no matter how well you answer and what your reasons. Yes its true some stem is unproved theories that could turn out to be wrong but most of it there is one and only one correct answer. There are not multiple answers for example for ohm's law

import java.lang.reflect.Field;

public class WinstonSmith {
public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
Class access = Integer.class.getDeclaredClasses()[0];
Field cacheField = access.getDeclaredField("cache");
cacheField.setAccessible(true);
Integer[] array = (Integer[]) cacheField.get(access);
array[132] = array[133];
System.out.printf("2 + 2 = %d",2 + 2);
}
}

You know, you could do the same thing in Python is about a quarter of the characters, and it would be much easier to understand...

MrEd

rcs1000 said:

MrEd said:

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

An outside shot which would depend on:

(1) generally low turnout except for:
(2) Muslim vote that is organised and swings for Galloway
(3) Heavy Woollen vote not going to the Tories but staying at home / fringe candidates
(4) Tories not inspiring people

Look for BJ going there as he did with Hartlepool pre-election. If the Tories are confident, he will be up there.

I think it's unlikely.

Frankly, I doubt there are enough call girls in Batley & Spen to make a big difference to the result.

I reckon B&S call girls are probably at the cheaper end of the market

Pagan2

rcs1000 said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

You know, this is complete bullshit.

I studied philosophy at University with a brilliant woman (who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer). On a number of her exams, she savaged current thinking, often making very sarcastic digs at her own tutors.

And she got a Starred First, and was top of the class. She did this, it is worth noting, while simultaneously getting Firsts in English and Music.

So the idea that you need to agree with your tutors and the groupthink is - in many subjects at least - complete bullisht.

Because one person managed it doesn't make it true for all though, for most I knew in for example sociology they would get anything divergent thrown back at them as not supported by the sociology texts

rcs1000

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories says the man complaining about others sneering...

Yes he does

Don't you think it sounds just a little bit... how to put this... sneering?

Not really

You are making massive generalisations about people and institutions, which is exactly what you're accusing OGH of.

If you'd stuck with just the first paragraph, it would have been a good point. With the second, it ended up saying more about you than about universities or graduates.

Malmesbury

isam said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

isam said:

Andy_JS said:

Does anyone think George Galloway has a chance of actually winning in Batley & Spen?

If that Dan Hodges article is half true, it sounds horrifically toxic in Batley & Spen. Literal whipping up of anti semitism to get the Muslim vote. What a disaster

Canvassing outside Jamia Masjid in Heckmondwike on Friday, the Labour candidate in the Batley and Spen byelection, Kim Leadbeater, received a hostile reception from voters who are unhappy with the party’s stance on foreign policy issues such as Palestine and Kashmir, amid a perception that the party takes some forms of racism more seriously than others.

The accusation “you’ve taken our votes for granted” was repeatedly levelled at Leadbeater and Lisa Nandy, the shadow foreign secretary and Wigan MP, who joined her on the campaign trail.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/20/muslims-keir-starmer-leaves-batley-voters-disaffected-labour

If elections in England are going to be decided by being able to deter Muslims from voting for a because it’s leaders wife is Jewish, can anyone really say we are becoming a tolerant society? It’s incredible to think this might even be true

We are a tolerant society. Anyone whose says different will be crucified along the Appian Way.

rcs1000

Pagan2 said:

rcs1000 said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

You know, this is complete bullshit.

I studied philosophy at University with a brilliant woman (who sadly ended up making a late career change and is now a lawyer). On a number of her exams, she savaged current thinking, often making very sarcastic digs at her own tutors.

And she got a Starred First, and was top of the class. She did this, it is worth noting, while simultaneously getting Firsts in English and Music.

So the idea that you need to agree with your tutors and the groupthink is - in many subjects at least - complete bullisht.

Because one person managed it doesn't make it true for all though, for most I knew in for example sociology they would get anything divergent thrown back at them as not supported by the sociology texts

When you say "I know", is this because of your experience? Or because you've decided it must be true?

isam

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Gosh this header is dripping with sneering resentment. It could be straight out of Remain’s losing campaign

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories

‘Educated’ just means ‘brainwashed’ now anyway - universities are communist factories says the man complaining about others sneering...

Yes he does

Don't you think it sounds just a little bit... how to put this... sneering?

Not really

You are making massive generalisations about people and institutions, which is exactly what you're accusing OGH of.

If you'd stuck with just the first paragraph, it would have been a good point. With the second, it ended up saying more about you than about universities or graduates.

Oh well

rcs1000

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

...

What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...

Having looked at images of the Bristol Beaufighter, I don't think it is. The Beaufighter had a much stubbier nose which the propellers protruded in front of.

And of course, it's not the Mosquito, because that has a rounded cockpit and no gun turret.

Pagan2

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

Pagan2 said:

Gnudders said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

2+2 has one answer

Answer what is this poet trying to say has many yet if you deviate from one of the accepted answers you will get no points no matter how well you answer and what your reasons. Yes its true some stem is unproved theories that could turn out to be wrong but most of it there is one and only one correct answer. There are not multiple answers for example for ohm's law

import java.lang.reflect.Field;

public class WinstonSmith {
public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
Class access = Integer.class.getDeclaredClasses()[0];
Field cacheField = access.getDeclaredField("cache");
cacheField.setAccessible(true);
Integer[] array = (Integer[]) cacheField.get(access);
array[132] = array[133];
System.out.printf("2 + 2 = %d",2 + 2);
}
}

You know, you could do the same thing in Python is about a quarter of the characters, and it would be much easier to understand...

void main()
{
printf("2+2 = %d",2+2);
}

much simpler

Malmesbury

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

...

What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...

Having looked at images of the Bristol Beaufighter, I don't think it is. The Beaufighter had a much stubbier nose which the propellers protruded in front of.

And of course, it's not the Mosquito, because that has a rounded cockpit and no gun turret.

I think it's made up - the flaps are improbable, and the engine placement looks odd. A sort of of mis-drawn B26?

Flatlander

rcs1000 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

What Bill Gates said 15 months ago...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/06/19/covid-19-vaccine-mrna-tech-cure-cancer-tumors/7711271002/

mRNA based immunotherapy is going to be absolutely massive.

I've been wondering if we are going to use the rapid sequencing capacity we now have on other things once Covid is under control. Sequencing all cancers would be an obvious start. The end point being a personal cancer sequence followed by a personal mRNA "vaccine", as described in the article.

I do hope we aren't going to wind the programme down.

Malmesbury

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

Pagan2 said:

Gnudders said:

Pagan2 said:

beentheredonethat said:

Education is not a signal for intelligence. It is more often a signal of parental wealth and/or class.

In most subjects except stem in fact passing an exam means you have bought into the group think that the marker considers correct. I exempt stem subjects because the answers are provably correct. However goto something like sociology and no matter how brilliant your reasoning for what you answer you will likely get marked down if it differs from herd think

That last sentence is false. Also one minute you reference what the marker considers correct and the next, "herd think". The notion of "STEM" itself has a lot of ideology behind it, which affects how mathematics is taught and quite possibly the teaching of other subjects too especially softer sciences such as biology. How many STEMmers have ever thought about that? I don't disagree with your attitude towards much of what goes on in university teaching, but does this really have to be argued in terms of STEM versus "something like sociology"? What about say psychology or art history? Like it or not, creativity of thought is often encouraged among art students. (Art students, not necessarily "arts subject" students.)

2+2 has one answer

Answer what is this poet trying to say has many yet if you deviate from one of the accepted answers you will get no points no matter how well you answer and what your reasons. Yes its true some stem is unproved theories that could turn out to be wrong but most of it there is one and only one correct answer. There are not multiple answers for example for ohm's law

import java.lang.reflect.Field;

public class WinstonSmith {
public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
Class access = Integer.class.getDeclaredClasses()[0];
Field cacheField = access.getDeclaredField("cache");
cacheField.setAccessible(true);
Integer[] array = (Integer[]) cacheField.get(access);
array[132] = array[133];
System.out.printf("2 + 2 = %d",2 + 2);
}
}

You know, you could do the same thing in Python is about a quarter of the characters, and it would be much easier to understand...

https://medium.com/the-lisowe/how-to-make-2-2-5-in-python-12c297a99949

suggests it is harder than you think :-)

EDIT - found this on the web... https://github.com/pythonanywhere/dirigible-spreadsheet - long time since I visited your office...

Flatlander

rcs1000 said:

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I meant across the country to draw a wider conclusion, anybody can pick on specific seat. And you need to break it down more than median age. The change in university attendance across age bands has been so dramatic that it needs careful analysis.

Did you know that bald men are more likely to vote Tory than their hairier counterparts? Clearly going bald drives people to the right in politics.

...

What aircraft is used in that illustration? I've always wondered...

Having looked at images of the Bristol Beaufighter, I don't think it is. The Beaufighter had a much stubbier nose which the propellers protruded in front of.

And of course, it's not the Mosquito, because that has a rounded cockpit and no gun turret.

Avro Anson, or derivative thereof?