I think it's great that the British public in general can enjoy Eurovision without being too hung up over whether the British entry does well at all. Makes a contrast with the anguish over the performance of the England football team.
“I think every year we should forgo the contest and simply hand out points to the countries that were most courageous and successful at standing up against Hitler.”
Not really my cup of tea, but won by summat different which stood out for good or ill. Indeed the top 5 were all arguably like that. We always go for the blandest MOR. And duly get run over.
Jesus, the winning song was TERRIBLE. Mediocre soft-rock metal. The passionate French chick was better
Yeah, but that is Metal. Hated by the elites, loved by the people.
I have always loved Metal. Other music too, but a very soft spot for it.
Amanda Holden is getting a lot of abuse on Twitter.
For making a joke about the whole thing being really camp?
For her cringy “I don’t know what these foreign languages are lolololol”.
And we wonder why we get zero votes.
I have heard fantastic sexual gossip about Ms Holden. Send me a postal order for £10 and it’s yours forever. A precious heirloom of OMFG-she-likes-what???? which you can hand on to your children, and grandchildren
I didn’t watch the ESC and am listening to Miss Misery by Elliott Smith instead
I didn't watch it either. Never do. The last decent tune to come out of Eurovision was from Abba nearly 50 years ago. Instead we introduced my 13 year old son to The Blues Brothers.
Not really my cup of tea, but won by summat different which stood out for good or ill. Indeed the top 5 were all arguably like that. We always go for the blandest MOR. And duly get run over.
Jesus, the winning song was TERRIBLE. Mediocre soft-rock metal. The passionate French chick was better
Yeah, but that is Metal. Hated by the elites, loved by the people.
I have always loved Metal. Other music too, but a very soft spot for it.
Whuh? I love metal. At its best it is pure orgasmic release via music. The mosh pit!
One of my favourite ever gigs EVER was Monsters of Rock at Castle Donington in 1994
The earlier part of that sequence was probably down to Blair taking us into the Iraq war.
The latter part of that sequence was more likely to have resulted in Brexit. Gotta love the irony of the Beeb picking the songs that soured our relations with Europe to the point we left the EU.....
Hanging Brexit around the Beeb's neck would really cap their fine week.
The earlier part of that sequence was probably down to Blair taking us into the Iraq war.
The latter part of that sequence was more likely to have resulted in Brexit. Gotta love the irony of the Beeb picking the songs that soured our relations with Europe to the point we left the EU.....
Hanging Brexit around the Beeb's neck would really cap their fine week.
Not really my cup of tea, but won by summat different which stood out for good or ill. Indeed the top 5 were all arguably like that. We always go for the blandest MOR. And duly get run over.
Jesus, the winning song was TERRIBLE. Mediocre soft-rock metal. The passionate French chick was better
Yeah, but that is Metal. Hated by the elites, loved by the people.
I have always loved Metal. Other music too, but a very soft spot for it.
Whuh? I love metal. At its best it is pure orgasmic release via music. The mosh pit!
One of my favourite ever gigs EVER was Monsters of Rock at Castle Donington in 1994
The earlier part of that sequence was probably down to Blair taking us into the Iraq war.
The latter part of that sequence was more likely to have resulted in Brexit. Gotta love the irony of the Beeb picking the songs that soured our relations with Europe to the point we left the EU.....
Hanging Brexit around the Beeb's neck would really cap their fine week.
I really don’t think it’s Brexit or Iraq. The plunge in the British score coincides neatly with the rise and supremacy of the English Language at Eurovision. Remember Eurovision is a continental invention: Italian at first then firmed up by France.
For a long time it was multilingual, then at least bilingual between French and English (‘nul points!’).
Then English finally took over about 20 years ago. The English have not been forgiven
“The language rule was abolished once again in 1999, resulting in 14 of that year's 23 competing entries featuring English lyrics.[26][27]”
Since the abolition of the language rule, the large majority of entries at each year's contest are now performed in English, given its status as a lingua franca”
Its soooooo unfair I went for a course that most candidates have 27 A*s and there is really limited places / incredible competition and I was only predicted 2 A* and an A and I didn't get on.
Amanda Holden is getting a lot of abuse on Twitter.
For making a joke about the whole thing being really camp?
For her cringy “I don’t know what these foreign languages are lolololol”.
And we wonder why we get zero votes.
I have heard fantastic sexual gossip about Ms Holden. Send me a postal order for £10 and it’s yours forever. A precious heirloom of OMFG-she-likes-what???? which you can hand on to your children, and grandchildren
She's an Everton season ticket holder. I warm to her. Good girl. Or yes Misstress.
Amanda Holden is getting a lot of abuse on Twitter.
For making a joke about the whole thing being really camp?
For her cringy “I don’t know what these foreign languages are lolololol”.
And we wonder why we get zero votes.
I have heard fantastic sexual gossip about Ms Holden. Send me a postal order for £10 and it’s yours forever. A precious heirloom of OMFG-she-likes-what???? which you can hand on to your children, and grandchildren
The earlier part of that sequence was probably down to Blair taking us into the Iraq war.
The latter part of that sequence was more likely to have resulted in Brexit. Gotta love the irony of the Beeb picking the songs that soured our relations with Europe to the point we left the EU.....
Hanging Brexit around the Beeb's neck would really cap their fine week.
For those blaming Brexit for us getting shite scores at Eurovision:
for the ten years before we voted to leave, our results were:
Yes, we get shit scores at Eurovision because the BBC sends shit acts and has been for years. This year Embers was a boring song, the staging was amateurish, and James Newman can't sing a frigging note and has the stage presence of a tailors dummy. Which is a bit of a handicap at a televised song contest.
What most people don't see about Eurovision is the quality of songs that some countries reject. When Italy, France, Sweden, Finland, etc, hold their national finals they discard songs that are far, far better than anything the BBC has sent in the past decade. It's a brutal and unforgiving process.
The UK isn't alone in screwing up Eurovison. Germany, Spain and and Ireland are all guilty of sending a stream of dreadful acts in recent years.
The earlier part of that sequence was probably down to Blair taking us into the Iraq war.
The latter part of that sequence was more likely to have resulted in Brexit. Gotta love the irony of the Beeb picking the songs that soured our relations with Europe to the point we left the EU.....
Hanging Brexit around the Beeb's neck would really cap their fine week.
Also, we had a succession of truly awful songs.
That is the bigger point. The system doesn't really allow you to vote against countries you dislike. There isn't a way to vote tactically to keep country Y out. It doesn't matter if lots of people in country X dislike country Y if at least some people in country X also like country Y - and the polities are big enough that there will always be some pro-Brits in every country, even France. But this only helps if we send a song worth voting for. People watching and voting for Eurovision tend to quite like Eurovision. If we send terrible, bland songs that will enthuse no-one, no one will vote for us.
Not really my cup of tea, but won by summat different which stood out for good or ill. Indeed the top 5 were all arguably like that. We always go for the blandest MOR. And duly get run over.
Jesus, the winning song was TERRIBLE. Mediocre soft-rock metal. The passionate French chick was better
That said, I thought they were all pretty bad. First time I've watched eurovision in a big way for many years. So not much has changed. When was the last time a eurovision winner went on to a stellar career like Abba? or Celine Dion?
As far as I can see, never. Abba is it. They all, basically, disappear
There's a debunker called Mick West who quite plausibly shows that one of the crucial "alien" videos is actually..... a goose
Literally, a goose
It will be incredible if it turns out the American political and journalistic elite, up to and including President Obama, got all excited, and created the headlines of the century, by misidentifying a goose as ET
I think these sightings are a US Government hoax. I believe the US military is pretty adept at using holograms. In fact, a few years back during the Arab Spring, 'the four horsemen of the apocalypse' were seen riding around during a riot somewhere, and there was a 'dove of peace' that appeared as a miracle in (I think) Egypt around the same time. These are on YouTube. Both look like very obvious holograms. They've obviously progressed from wanting to play God to wanting to play Mars Attacks.
If the US Government didn't want there to be an 'underground buzz' about aliens, let's face it there wouldn't be one. These people are not subtle. One thing is certain, if they do try to proceed with this even more, it is going to result in a national humiliation on a scale never before seen, as it is going to be pretty obviously a risible hoax, and pretty much the entire US Government will be implicated.
David Herdson on Boris’s 16 point best PM lead in today’s YouGov
“These are dreadful results for Starmer, much worse than last time the gap was this big.
Then, he had much more scope to create an impression with the public. Now, the impression has already been formed and will be much harder to shift - not least because it's probably right.”
Just wait until he does Piers Moron....20 point poll bounce incoming.
That will be a proper bit of ‘can’t watch tv’
Will be interesting to see what ratings it gets. That show has been losing viewership for quite a while now.
Who will watch, other than some of the 24% who like him? If they all did the ratings would be pretty good I suppose, without changing his levels
Political journalists will too. I can’t see what’s so interesting about his life that you’d want to make a show about it. Private School, Uni, more uni, Lawyer, knighthood, unpopular, boring politician. Hardly a rollercoaster.
I was about to say I’m surprised Farage hadn’t done it, but of course he has!
Let go of the hate. If he bounces back you'll need hospital treatment. Don't risk it.
No hate here for man like Sir Keir! If he bounces back, good for him
You fool no-one. Well you probably do, but not me. You have really taken against the guy. He epitomises something for you. Something that gets your goat. It's to do with upward mobility and moral rectitude.
I just don’t think he has what it takes to beat Boris. That’s all I’ve said from the start, nothing malicious. He seems an upright, decent person.
I don’t like him because he was one of the leading voices in trying to stop Brexit, and I think he comes across as really dull. But that goes for lots of people!
If he bounces back I’ll owe you £300 though
That too. Mental anguish PLUS money down. Odds still on your side though. Very much so. But time is on mine.
Kinnock wasn't boring btw. Don't know why you say that. He was Mr Personality vs Grey John Major. And he lost.
But these are different times. Reality TV and social media times. Your pet theory does have some merit. It's not obvious and total bollocks.
So reality TV and social media somehow makes it different than was? These days personality traits matter more than character references?
Well Johnson has a big personality and a bad character and keeps winning elections. So something's going awry.
I tried to advocate a proper political discussion on PB Eurovision nite. Utter waste of my time that was.
But to answer your question, Character traits always Trump personality traits, it’s important for polling firms and political bettors to understand the difference.
Other things play a part in elections, I can bung you more lolly than they will as I have better magic money trees and a magic wand to make globalisation go away and turn back time, and it takes a while for such lies to unravel.
Not really my cup of tea, but won by summat different which stood out for good or ill. Indeed the top 5 were all arguably like that. We always go for the blandest MOR. And duly get run over.
Jesus, the winning song was TERRIBLE. Mediocre soft-rock metal. The passionate French chick was better
Yeah, but that is Metal. Hated by the elites, loved by the people.
I have always loved Metal. Other music too, but a very soft spot for it.
Whuh? I love metal. At its best it is pure orgasmic release via music. The mosh pit!
One of my favourite ever gigs EVER was Monsters of Rock at Castle Donington in 1994
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But I might have misheard!
And we wonder why we get zero votes.
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1396224204081664001?s=21
“I think every year we should forgo the contest and simply hand out points to the countries that were most courageous and successful at standing up against Hitler.”
I have always loved Metal. Other music too, but a very soft spot for it.
Now that is proper music.
One of my favourite ever gigs EVER was Monsters of Rock at Castle Donington in 1994
Look at this.
https://youtu.be/Yyipk3lC9Og
It’s Therapy? A good metal band. A great song. Terrible singing In this performance.
But if you go to 9:22 on that video I’m in the heart of that mosh pit, off my tits on speed
for the ten years before we voted to leave, our results were:
22nd
25th (last)
5th
25th (last)
11th
25th
19th
17th
24th
24th
The earlier part of that sequence was probably down to Blair taking us into the Iraq war.
The latter part of that sequence was more likely to have resulted in Brexit. Gotta love the irony of the Beeb picking the songs that soured our relations with Europe to the point we left the EU.....
Hanging Brexit around the Beeb's neck would really cap their fine week.
Of course for the kids that metal is too mainstream, you have metalcore.
For a long time it was multilingual, then at least bilingual between French and English (‘nul points!’).
Then English finally took over about 20 years ago. The English have not been forgiven
“The language rule was abolished once again in 1999, resulting in 14 of that year's 23 competing entries featuring English lyrics.[26][27]”
Since the abolition of the language rule, the large majority of entries at each year's contest are now performed in English, given its status as a lingua franca”
Our last win was 1997
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest
Its soooooo unfair I went for a course that most candidates have 27 A*s and there is really limited places / incredible competition and I was only predicted 2 A* and an A and I didn't get on.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/may/22/top-pupils-rejected-by-universities-in-a-levels-fiasco-fallout
People take part in a BLM protest to commemorate the death of George Floyd nearly a year after his death
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/anti-racism-protesters-gather-in-london
The way Sky Sports push BLM you would think there was millions on the street every week.
I warm to her. Good girl.
Or yes Misstress.
What most people don't see about Eurovision is the quality of songs that some countries reject. When Italy, France, Sweden, Finland, etc, hold their national finals they discard songs that are far, far better than anything the BBC has sent in the past decade. It's a brutal and unforgiving process.
The UK isn't alone in screwing up Eurovison. Germany, Spain and and Ireland are all guilty of sending a stream of dreadful acts in recent years.
The system doesn't really allow you to vote against countries you dislike. There isn't a way to vote tactically to keep country Y out. It doesn't matter if lots of people in country X dislike country Y if at least some people in country X also like country Y - and the polities are big enough that there will always be some pro-Brits in every country, even France.
But this only helps if we send a song worth voting for.
People watching and voting for Eurovision tend to quite like Eurovision. If we send terrible, bland songs that will enthuse no-one, no one will vote for us.
If the US Government didn't want there to be an 'underground buzz' about aliens, let's face it there wouldn't be one. These people are not subtle. One thing is certain, if they do try to proceed with this even more, it is going to result in a national humiliation on a scale never before seen, as it is going to be pretty obviously a risible hoax, and pretty much the entire US Government will be implicated.
But to answer your question, Character traits always Trump personality traits, it’s important for polling firms and political bettors to understand the difference.
Other things play a part in elections, I can bung you more lolly than they will as I have better magic money trees and a magic wand to make globalisation go away and turn back time, and it takes a while for such lies to unravel.