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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    One of life's great mysteries is the level of interest in Eurovision here on PB.

    Yes, it's a betting opportunity, but so is the next race at Sunderland dogs.

    Proof if proof were needed that no-one cares about golf (and the US PGA).
    I am not allowed to bet on golf after the Ryder Cup incident....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Jesus Christ.

    Politics For All
    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Free Palestine protesters smash up car on High Street Kensington


    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1396172830908239877?s=20

    That's really gonna help Palestine, isn't it? Smashing up a fancy car in London. Did the driver look Jewish?

    Kensington and fancy cars... isn't that more likely to be an Arab, although a bit early for summer silly season with their super cars revving night ans day
    I’d have a lot more sympathy with the Free Palestine movement if they were protesting against the murders of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang as well.

    But they don’t care about that any more than Hamas care about the people of Gaza. Because the Chinese aren’t Jews.

    They’re just racist useful idiots for Iran and therefore ultimately Russia.
    I have a sneaking feeling that Putin is pro-Israel and has the same regard for his Muslim population as Xi Jinping. But he isn't as powerful, so he is unable to act in quite the same way

    But remember Chechnya
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Jonathan said:

    Are the rumours true that Boris Johnson is going to enter next year? If he can win in Hartlepool...

    He's still Making His Mind Up.
    ....now have the image of him pulling his velcroed trousers off. Thanks a bunch.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Can we separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    Not all Eurovision members are EU members!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Jesus Christ.

    Politics For All
    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Free Palestine protesters smash up car on High Street Kensington


    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1396172830908239877?s=20

    That's really gonna help Palestine, isn't it? Smashing up a fancy car in London. Did the driver look Jewish?

    Kensington and fancy cars... isn't that more likely to be an Arab, although a bit early for summer silly season with their super cars revving night ans day
    I’d have a lot more sympathy with the Free Palestine movement if they were protesting against the murders of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang as well.

    But they don’t care about that any more than Hamas care about the people of Gaza. Because the Chinese aren’t Jews.

    They’re just racist useful idiots for Iran and therefore ultimately Russia.
    I have a sneaking feeling that Putin is pro-Israel and has the same regard for his Muslim population as Xi Jinping. But he isn't as powerful, so he is unable to act in quite the same way

    But remember Chechnya
    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/4/8/netanyahu-trump-and-putin-a-love-story
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Jonathan said:

    Are the rumours true that Boris Johnson is going to enter next year? If he can win in Hartlepool...

    He's still Making His Mind Up.
    Might be his Waterloo.
    Or yet more Euphoria.
    Or La, La, La, La, La, La.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Yay Ukraine.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    The Ukrainian lady seems to have brutally done in Orville the Duck!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    I can't watch Eurovision, but my expert wife has just texted me to put an outside flutter on Finland - just done at 20/1. She thinks Malta should be favourites.

    The consensus among the pundits was that Malta had a great song but a bad draw. Finland are favourites to be top Nordic country.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    France have drifted slightly but I do not think they've been on yet, in which case France might represent a spot of value.

    France on now
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Jesus Christ.

    Politics For All
    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Free Palestine protesters smash up car on High Street Kensington


    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1396172830908239877?s=20

    That's really gonna help Palestine, isn't it? Smashing up a fancy car in London. Did the driver look Jewish?

    Kensington and fancy cars... isn't that more likely to be an Arab, although a bit early for summer silly season with their super cars revving night ans day
    I’d have a lot more sympathy with the Free Palestine movement if they were protesting against the murders of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang as well.

    But they don’t care about that any more than Hamas care about the people of Gaza. Because the Chinese aren’t Jews.

    They’re just racist useful idiots for Iran and therefore ultimately Russia.
    I have a sneaking feeling that Putin is pro-Israel and has the same regard for his Muslim population as Xi Jinping. But he isn't as powerful, so he is unable to act in quite the same way

    But remember Chechnya
    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/4/8/netanyahu-trump-and-putin-a-love-story
    Quite

    It is a bizarre idea: that Putin would favour Islamists over Jews - Islamists who regularly attack Russians, blowing up bombs on metros. and who foster secessionism and terrorism on Russia's southern fringe.

    For all its many flaws, Israel is not going to do that to Russia. Besides, a huge number of Israelis are from Russia. And note how Putin has gone to the extremes for a secular Arab: Assad. Who beats up Islamists

    However, Putin has to play the hand he has in terms of Realpolitik. He is not quasi-omnipotent like Xi
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Why are all French songs basically a reworking of Ne Me Quitte Pas?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Energetic performance from the French contestant.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    Why are all French songs basically a reworking of Ne Me Quitte Pas?

    My fave French lingo song of all time is Voyage, Voyage. But that's just me :)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Iceland still my favourite so far. Ukraine second.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Andy_JS said:

    Energetic performance from the French contestant.

    Norton said it's one of the favourites.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Norway ripping off the X-Men :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
    This is the terrible logic Israel must face

    Either it allows Palestinians sovereignty, or it goes the whole hog and becomes an apartheid state, in a single state with lower class Arab citizens (it is already horribly close).

    Or it expels all the Palestinians from Palestine, and maybe Israeli Arabs as well

    It is hideous choice, but they have made it this way, by insisting on a Jewish state allowing only Jewish immigration and a lesser status for Arabs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    This is reassuringly shit and Woke from Holland
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2021

    isam said:

    isam said:

    David Herdson on Boris’s 16 point best PM lead in today’s YouGov

    “These are dreadful results for Starmer, much worse than last time the gap was this big.

    Then, he had much more scope to create an impression with the public. Now, the impression has already been formed and will be much harder to shift - not least because it's probably right.”

    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1396059844474458112?s=21

    Just wait until he does Piers Moron....20 point poll bounce incoming.
    That will be a proper bit of ‘can’t watch tv’
    Will be interesting to see what ratings it gets. That show has been losing viewership for quite a while now.
    Who will watch, other than some of the 24% who like him? If they all did the ratings would be pretty good I suppose, without changing his levels

    Political journalists will too. I can’t see what’s so interesting about his life that you’d want to make a show about it. Private School, Uni, more uni, Lawyer, knighthood, unpopular, boring politician. Hardly a rollercoaster.

    I was about to say I’m surprised Farage hadn’t done it, but of course he has!

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/24/piers-morgans-life-stories-review-not-a-bad-interview-if-you-can-stomach-it
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Italy goes up to 11.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    If it is Italy or France, then I'd have thought France win.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    tlg86 said:

    If it is Italy or France, then I'd have thought France win.

    Italy is pub metal from the the 80s, with eyeliner. France was chanson from the 60s

    Neither will win. Said it!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    I liked the Swedish song when he sang it in the Semi-final.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,432
    tlg86 said:

    If it is Italy or France, then I'd have thought France win.

    It probably will be Italy.

    People forget that the judges have 50% of the votes and they'll already have been cast, and they'll heavily favour the shortlisted favourites.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Oh god, is the Swede trans AND black?

    lol
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited May 2021

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    edited May 2021
    tlg86 said:

    One of life's great mysteries is the level of interest in Eurovision here on PB.

    Yes, it's a betting opportunity, but so is the next race at Sunderland dogs.

    Proof if proof were needed that no-one cares about golf (and the US PGA).
    Got that on the laptop. I've got £2 on Bezuidenhout @ 160-1. But Phil the Thrill is rolling back the years.
    It's a real story. Not a hard choice for me to go with the golf over Eurovision. Usually watch it though and end up quite liking a few of the songs.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    Oh god, is the Swede trans AND black?

    lol

    No, he's a guy!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Sweden: terrible
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Leon said:

    Oh god, is the Swede trans AND black?

    lol

    Are they a good singer?

    Come back to me when it is a black welsh woman disabled trade unionist.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835

    alex_ said:

    Can’t fault the Guardian for putting in a Sterling shift to try to convince us that the India variant is going to kill us all. Day after day, every one a new angle.

    This evening - “Govt coverup to justify ending of masks in schools”.

    The Guardian are zero covid in school zealots, but will be the first to moan about how closure of schools is widening the gap for the poorest / BAME kids.
    Will the Guardian die first..they must be losing money at an alamming rate...
    According to Alan Rusbridger, celebrating their bicentennial in the New York Review of Books, the Grauniad has $1.4 billion in the bank.

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/05/27/two-centuries-of-the-guardian/
    Of which how much tax have they paid?
    Well ... there was a fourpenny stamp charge on each copy until 1836.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Acts
    Surely there were taxes (per copy, albeit including free postage in return, as well as taxes on ads and paper) after that till the 1850s or so.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    Oh god, is the Swede trans AND black?

    lol

    No, an African refugee.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,242
    kle4 said:

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
    The problem with the UK entry is the BBC picks it every year.

    You could try and get a good artist doing a good song OR you could do something off beat and memorable but every year we pick a middle of the road song by a mediocre artist that is instantly forgettable.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Jonathan said:

    Are the rumours true that Boris Johnson is going to enter next year? If he can win in Hartlepool...

    I think he would do better than SKS...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    kle4 said:

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
    The problem with the UK entry is the BBC picks it every year.

    You could try and get a good artist doing a good song OR you could do something off beat and memorable but every year we pick a middle of the road song by a mediocre artist that is instantly forgettable.
    Its called doing a SKS...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Oh god, is the Swede trans AND black?

    lol

    No, an African refugee.
    In high heels and feminine flares?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    David Herdson on Boris’s 16 point best PM lead in today’s YouGov

    “These are dreadful results for Starmer, much worse than last time the gap was this big.

    Then, he had much more scope to create an impression with the public. Now, the impression has already been formed and will be much harder to shift - not least because it's probably right.”

    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1396059844474458112?s=21

    Just wait until he does Piers Moron....20 point poll bounce incoming.
    That will be a proper bit of ‘can’t watch tv’
    Will be interesting to see what ratings it gets. That show has been losing viewership for quite a while now.
    Who will watch, other than some of the 24% who like him? If they all did the ratings would be pretty good I suppose, without changing his levels

    Political journalists will too. I can’t see what’s so interesting about his life that you’d want to make a show about it. Private School, Uni, more uni, Lawyer, knighthood, unpopular, boring politician. Hardly a rollercoaster.

    I was about to say I’m surprised Farage hadn’t done it, but of course he has!

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/24/piers-morgans-life-stories-review-not-a-bad-interview-if-you-can-stomach-it
    Let go of the hate. If he bounces back you'll need hospital treatment. Don't risk it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    That Humza Yousaf petition is very poor - even for a political petition where everyone signing will know you have to explain why you think the action should be taken. I'd be none the wiser from that one.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,432
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    If it is Italy or France, then I'd have thought France win.

    Italy is pub metal from the the 80s, with eyeliner. France was chanson from the 60s

    Neither will win. Said it!
    It's people like Wodger that have the votes in this.

    You've gotta think like he would.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Oh god, is the Swede trans AND black?

    lol

    No, an African refugee.
    In high heels and feminine flares?
    You must have missed Bowie in the 70s :lol:
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,661
    My lovely horse would not come last.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
    This is the terrible logic Israel must face

    Either it allows Palestinians sovereignty, or it goes the whole hog and becomes an apartheid state, in a single state with lower class Arab citizens (it is already horribly close).

    Or it expels all the Palestinians from Palestine, and maybe Israeli Arabs as well

    It is hideous choice, but they have made it this way, by insisting on a Jewish state allowing only Jewish immigration and a lesser status for Arabs
    Don't see what's hideous about that choice. It's only one of the options - continued oppression - that's hideous.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Most entertaining part of Eurovision?

    The scoring!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited May 2021

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    If it is Italy or France, then I'd have thought France win.

    Italy is pub metal from the the 80s, with eyeliner. France was chanson from the 60s

    Neither will win. Said it!
    It's people like Wodger that have the votes in this.

    You've gotta think like he would.
    So what you are saying is the UK needs to enter a French Refugee Trans Rights Activist, who is a well known Remain campaigner and in their spare time makes really arty films that nobody watches.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Jesus Christ.

    Politics For All
    @PoliticsForAlI
    NEW: Free Palestine protesters smash up car on High Street Kensington


    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1396172830908239877?s=20

    That's really gonna help Palestine, isn't it? Smashing up a fancy car in London. Did the driver look Jewish?

    Kensington and fancy cars... isn't that more likely to be an Arab, although a bit early for summer silly season with their super cars revving night ans day
    I’d have a lot more sympathy with the Free Palestine movement if they were protesting against the murders of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang as well.

    But they don’t care about that any more than Hamas care about the people of Gaza. Because the Chinese aren’t Jews.

    They’re just racist useful idiots for Iran and therefore ultimately Russia.
    I have a sneaking feeling that Putin is pro-Israel and has the same regard for his Muslim population as Xi Jinping. But he isn't as powerful, so he is unable to act in quite the same way

    But remember Chechnya
    Putin cares about his own powerbase. But he is, on the quiet, the key reason for the Ayatollahs are holding on to power. He does it probably mostly to annoy the Yanks.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
    This is the terrible logic Israel must face

    Either it allows Palestinians sovereignty, or it goes the whole hog and becomes an apartheid state, in a single state with lower class Arab citizens (it is already horribly close).

    Or it expels all the Palestinians from Palestine, and maybe Israeli Arabs as well

    It is hideous choice, but they have made it this way, by insisting on a Jewish state allowing only Jewish immigration and a lesser status for Arabs
    Yes. It's an ugly choice.

    And expelling millions of people from lands where they were born, who have no other nationality, is nothing less than ethnic cleansing on a massive scale.

    Israel's best option was always to have a Palestinian state that was dependent on it. But the settler movement has made a viable Palestinian state a near impossibility.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    kle4 said:

    That Humza Yousaf petition is very poor - even for a political petition where everyone signing will know you have to explain why you think the action should be taken. I'd be none the wiser from that one.

    I was just amused at how the comments could have applied to just about any politician in Scotland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    While we're talking of gayness and music, can I recommend Elton John's "Me", possibly one of the best celebrity autobiographies I have ever read. Up there with William Goldman, David Niven - but better than them

    Mind-boggling gossip, and extremely funny. It is also explains why he is possibly the most successful solo star of all time, and his bravery in being Out and gay so early.

    He's a dude, the book is superb
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    Isn't it supposed to be crap?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,247

    kle4 said:

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
    The problem with the UK entry is the BBC picks it every year.

    You could try and get a good artist doing a good song OR you could do something off beat and memorable but every year we pick a middle of the road song by a mediocre artist that is instantly forgettable.
    Oh for the glory days of Boom-Bang-a-bang-On-A-String.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    kle4 said:

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
    Perhaps, but a lot of what people take to be politics is often just regional musical trends, and on that note, keep an eye on where there are large ex-pat communities.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,432

    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    If it is Italy or France, then I'd have thought France win.

    Italy is pub metal from the the 80s, with eyeliner. France was chanson from the 60s

    Neither will win. Said it!
    It's people like Wodger that have the votes in this.

    You've gotta think like he would.
    So what you are saying is the UK needs to enter a French Refugee Trans Rights Activist, who is a well known Remain campaigner and in their spare time makes really arty films that nobody watches.
    You've got it
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
    This is the terrible logic Israel must face

    Either it allows Palestinians sovereignty, or it goes the whole hog and becomes an apartheid state, in a single state with lower class Arab citizens (it is already horribly close).

    Or it expels all the Palestinians from Palestine, and maybe Israeli Arabs as well

    It is hideous choice, but they have made it this way, by insisting on a Jewish state allowing only Jewish immigration and a lesser status for Arabs
    Yes. It's an ugly choice.

    And expelling millions of people from lands where they were born, who have no other nationality, is nothing less than ethnic cleansing on a massive scale.

    Israel's best option was always to have a Palestinian state that was dependent on it. But the settler movement has made a viable Palestinian state a near impossibility.
    Yes, somehow Israel took the wrong fork in the road, in the 1970s or 80s, when it still had massive international sympathy, as the plucky little country. Now it is the Evil Oppressor, and that generally doesn't end well
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    I was unfortunate enough to overhear the UK entry. Crap doesn't satisfactorily describe it....it deserves a drubbing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    I was unfortunate enough to overhear the UK entry. Crap doesn't satisfactorily describe it....it deserves a drubbing.

    We peaked with Bucks Fizz in 1981.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,242

    I was unfortunate enough to overhear the UK entry. Crap doesn't satisfactorily describe it....it deserves a drubbing.

    It's just beige. You could combine it with all the UK entries for the last 10 years into one super gloopy ball of mediocrity.

    As I see the Beeb are to blame. I someone like Simon Cowell was in charge of our entry, we would get something so much better.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    The in-between song from Rotterdam is better than all of them
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Andy_JS said:

    I was unfortunate enough to overhear the UK entry. Crap doesn't satisfactorily describe it....it deserves a drubbing.

    We peaked with Bucks Fizz in 1981.
    Katrina and the Waves in 1997!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
    This is the terrible logic Israel must face

    Either it allows Palestinians sovereignty, or it goes the whole hog and becomes an apartheid state, in a single state with lower class Arab citizens (it is already horribly close).

    Or it expels all the Palestinians from Palestine, and maybe Israeli Arabs as well

    It is hideous choice, but they have made it this way, by insisting on a Jewish state allowing only Jewish immigration and a lesser status for Arabs
    Yes. It's an ugly choice.

    And expelling millions of people from lands where they were born, who have no other nationality, is nothing less than ethnic cleansing on a massive scale.

    Israel's best option was always to have a Palestinian state that was dependent on it. But the settler movement has made a viable Palestinian state a near impossibility.
    Yes, somehow Israel took the wrong fork in the road, in the 1970s or 80s, when it still had massive international sympathy, as the plucky little country. Now it is the Evil Oppressor, and that generally doesn't end well
    Be careful, You’ll have some of the more strident pro Israelis accusing you of Jew hatred for daring to criticise the Israeli govts actions.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited May 2021
    Times - Hitler placards at the Free Palestine Demo...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1396212960167698432?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    I hope Iceland win or Ukraine.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Ukraine for me. Iceland and Azerbaijan next.
    But I am not the median.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited May 2021
    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited May 2021

    Andy_JS said:

    I was unfortunate enough to overhear the UK entry. Crap doesn't satisfactorily describe it....it deserves a drubbing.

    We peaked with Bucks Fizz in 1981.
    Katrina and the Waves in 1997!
    The song "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves is known as the "million dollar song" because it earns at least that every year, and has done so for decades after its release

    Even now it is extremely valuable:


    "In August 2015, which marked the 30th anniversary of the song's release, the song was acquired by BMG Rights Management for £10 million, along with all the other songs written by Kimberley Rew and Katrina and the Waves.[9]"

    Imagine writing a 3 minute pop song which earns £40m

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_on_Sunshine_(Katrina_and_the_Waves_song)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Times - Hitler placards at the Free Palestine Demo...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1396212960167698432?s=20

    Ironically, Hitler was quite favorable to the idea of Israel...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    David Herdson on Boris’s 16 point best PM lead in today’s YouGov

    “These are dreadful results for Starmer, much worse than last time the gap was this big.

    Then, he had much more scope to create an impression with the public. Now, the impression has already been formed and will be much harder to shift - not least because it's probably right.”

    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1396059844474458112?s=21

    Just wait until he does Piers Moron....20 point poll bounce incoming.
    That will be a proper bit of ‘can’t watch tv’
    Will be interesting to see what ratings it gets. That show has been losing viewership for quite a while now.
    Who will watch, other than some of the 24% who like him? If they all did the ratings would be pretty good I suppose, without changing his levels

    Political journalists will too. I can’t see what’s so interesting about his life that you’d want to make a show about it. Private School, Uni, more uni, Lawyer, knighthood, unpopular, boring politician. Hardly a rollercoaster.

    I was about to say I’m surprised Farage hadn’t done it, but of course he has!

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/24/piers-morgans-life-stories-review-not-a-bad-interview-if-you-can-stomach-it
    Let go of the hate. If he bounces back you'll need hospital treatment. Don't risk it.
    I hadn't thought of the relentless attacks on Starmer that way.

    Anyway, I have money on France.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    David Herdson on Boris’s 16 point best PM lead in today’s YouGov

    “These are dreadful results for Starmer, much worse than last time the gap was this big.

    Then, he had much more scope to create an impression with the public. Now, the impression has already been formed and will be much harder to shift - not least because it's probably right.”

    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1396059844474458112?s=21

    Just wait until he does Piers Moron....20 point poll bounce incoming.
    That will be a proper bit of ‘can’t watch tv’
    Will be interesting to see what ratings it gets. That show has been losing viewership for quite a while now.
    Who will watch, other than some of the 24% who like him? If they all did the ratings would be pretty good I suppose, without changing his levels

    Political journalists will too. I can’t see what’s so interesting about his life that you’d want to make a show about it. Private School, Uni, more uni, Lawyer, knighthood, unpopular, boring politician. Hardly a rollercoaster.

    I was about to say I’m surprised Farage hadn’t done it, but of course he has!

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/24/piers-morgans-life-stories-review-not-a-bad-interview-if-you-can-stomach-it
    Let go of the hate. If he bounces back you'll need hospital treatment. Don't risk it.
    No hate here for man like Sir Keir! If he bounces back, good for him
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    Iceland for me.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    Really good Netherlands intermission in the Song Contest.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Israel going ultra-woke with a lady of colour :lol:

    UK is favourite to come last but based on Oddschecker, the money for the wooden spoon is pouring on Germany and Israel.
    I actually thought the Israel entry was half-decent. But I guess they won't be getting many votes from the public.
    Nah, Palestine doesn't get a lot of sympathy outside of a the Anglo Saxon lefty world.
    You sure? 138 of 193 UN members recognise a Palestinian state. None of them Anglo-Saxon...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg

    100+ member of FIFA have just voted to consider holding the World Cup biennially. That doesn’t make it right.
    So, are you saying Palestine shouldn't exist as a state?

    Ok. In which case, the people who live there must be Israelis, and therefore should be accorded the same rights as other Israeli citizens.
    This is the terrible logic Israel must face

    Either it allows Palestinians sovereignty, or it goes the whole hog and becomes an apartheid state, in a single state with lower class Arab citizens (it is already horribly close).

    Or it expels all the Palestinians from Palestine, and maybe Israeli Arabs as well

    It is hideous choice, but they have made it this way, by insisting on a Jewish state allowing only Jewish immigration and a lesser status for Arabs
    Don't see what's hideous about that choice. It's only one of the options - continued oppression - that's hideous.
    It’s a sinister development this week, Israel losing one of these skirmishes leaving the terrorists dancing in their tunnels tonight. Far cry from whipping surprise attack from the whole of the Middle East in just six days.

    Ben goes into history books as his watch strutting tough whilst delivering weakness?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    While we're talking of gayness and music, can I recommend Elton John's "Me", possibly one of the best celebrity autobiographies I have ever read. Up there with William Goldman, David Niven - but better than them

    Mind-boggling gossip, and extremely funny. It is also explains why he is possibly the most successful solo star of all time, and his bravery in being Out and gay so early.

    He's a dude, the book is superb

    That’s been sitting behind my tv cabinet unread, along with Andrew Ridgey’s book, for about 18 months!

    Along with every other book I’ve bought in the last three years other than ‘The Great Betrayal’ by Ian Smith, and ‘Treasure Island’

    *and ‘The Friends of Eddie Coyle’ which I lent to my Dad
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    How do "a series of devastating family tragedies" shape him into the boring man he is today?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    All very interesting but unlikely to shift many votes.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,661
    Italy, for the heroic trousers.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited May 2021
    Duplicate.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Jonathan said:

    Italy, for the heroic trousers.

    Italy have just drifted badly on Betfair: out to 3.5 from 2.7-ish.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    All very interesting but unlikely to shift many votes.
    I presume it is going to be part of a wider push to reboot his image.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    rcs1000 said:

    Times - Hitler placards at the Free Palestine Demo...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1396212960167698432?s=20

    Ironically, Hitler was quite favorable to the idea of Israel...
    You are Ken Livingston and I claim my £10. 😆
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited May 2021
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    While we're talking of gayness and music, can I recommend Elton John's "Me", possibly one of the best celebrity autobiographies I have ever read. Up there with William Goldman, David Niven - but better than them

    Mind-boggling gossip, and extremely funny. It is also explains why he is possibly the most successful solo star of all time, and his bravery in being Out and gay so early.

    He's a dude, the book is superb

    That’s been sitting behind my tv cabinet unread, along with Andrew Ridgey’s book, for about 18 months!

    Along with every other book I’ve bought in the last three years other than ‘The Great Betrayal’ by Ian Smith, and ‘Treasure Island’

    *and ‘The Friends of Eddie Coyle’ which I lent to my Dad
    I entreat you to read it. I bet you will be laughing out loud within 10 pages. It is dazzling, and OMFG the stories. Why is it so entertaining to read of someone fucking up everything in a haze of cocaine, booze, and rent boys, possibly involving the Queen Mother? I dunno, but it is. I guess we all love gossip

    To be fair it does decline once he goes sober (sober people are just a bit more boring) but even then it is excellent - as against brilliant

    It's a world class autobiography, and he has led a life unmatched by any

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    How do "a series of devastating family tragedies" shape him into the boring man he is today?
    Sounds a right laugh
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    kle4 said:

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
    Perhaps, but a lot of what people take to be politics is often just regional musical trends, and on that note, keep an eye on where there are large ex-pat communities.
    On which note, keep an eye on whether Eastern European support for Ukraine materialises.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Iceland for me.

    Just for the green jumpers!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,661

    Jonathan said:

    Italy, for the heroic trousers.

    Italy have just drifted badly on Betfair: out to 3.5 from 2.7-ish.
    Pants
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Leon said:

    While we're talking of gayness and music, can I recommend Elton John's "Me", possibly one of the best celebrity autobiographies I have ever read. Up there with William Goldman, David Niven - but better than them

    Mind-boggling gossip, and extremely funny. It is also explains why he is possibly the most successful solo star of all time, and his bravery in being Out and gay so early.

    He's a dude, the book is superb

    Rupert Everett's is also a classic of the genre imo.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    While we're talking of gayness and music, can I recommend Elton John's "Me", possibly one of the best celebrity autobiographies I have ever read. Up there with William Goldman, David Niven - but better than them

    Mind-boggling gossip, and extremely funny. It is also explains why he is possibly the most successful solo star of all time, and his bravery in being Out and gay so early.

    He's a dude, the book is superb

    That’s been sitting behind my tv cabinet unread, along with Andrew Ridgey’s book, for about 18 months!

    Along with every other book I’ve bought in the last three years other than ‘The Great Betrayal’ by Ian Smith, and ‘Treasure Island’

    *and ‘The Friends of Eddie Coyle’ which I lent to my Dad
    I entreat you to read it. I bet you will be laughing out loud within 10 pages. It is dazzling, and OMFG the stories. Why is it to entertaining to read of someone fucking up everything in a haze of cocaine, booze, and rent boys, possibly involving the Queen Mother? I dunno, but it is. I guess we all love gossip

    To be fair it does decline once he goes sober (sober people are just a bit more boring) but even then it is excellent - as against brilliant

    It's a world class autobiography, and he has led a life unmatched by any

    I will read it... just no time!

    Funny you type this just as a wild mate of mine who has been in AA for about ten years is what’s apping that he is struggling

    In his mad days he once went into a Romford brass house, off his head on gear and booze, and shagged every one of them, then left his Oyster card, work tools and wallet behind and his long suffering dad had to go pick them up the next day!

    As another mate said ‘how I wish I had that lack of self control’!!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    isam said:

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    How do "a series of devastating family tragedies" shape him into the boring man he is today?
    Sounds a right laugh
    No he can't channel Benny Hill like Johnson.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    All very interesting but unlikely to shift many votes.
    I presume it is going to be part of a wider push to reboot his image.
    Starmer's image isn't the problem.

    He is a dull speaker, for which he should seek coaching. He needs to nail Boris to the wall. It is no good collecting evidence at PMQs if he never uses it: the electorate is not the Supreme Court bench who will have noted each answer; it is a jury waiting for the summing-up. Some policies would be nice too, though it is hard to create clear blue water against a backdrop of the covid pandemic.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    rcs1000 said:

    Times - Hitler placards at the Free Palestine Demo...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1396212960167698432?s=20

    Ironically, Hitler was quite favorable to the idea of Israel...
    You are Ken Livingstone and I claim my £5!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    gealbhan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Times - Hitler placards at the Free Palestine Demo...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1396212960167698432?s=20

    Ironically, Hitler was quite favorable to the idea of Israel...
    You are Ken Livingston and I claim my £10. 😆
    You beat me!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,432
    I'm going to the poor house if it's Malta.

    Please don't be Malta.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I was unfortunate enough to overhear the UK entry. Crap doesn't satisfactorily describe it....it deserves a drubbing.

    We peaked with Bucks Fizz in 1981.
    Katrina and the Waves in 1997!
    The song "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves is known as the "million dollar song" because it earns at least that every year, and has done so for decades after its release

    Even now it is extremely valuable:


    "In August 2015, which marked the 30th anniversary of the song's release, the song was acquired by BMG Rights Management for £10 million, along with all the other songs written by Kimberley Rew and Katrina and the Waves.[9]"

    Imagine writing a 3 minute pop song which earns £40m

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_on_Sunshine_(Katrina_and_the_Waves_song)
    A useless fact is that I think Walking On Sunshine by Rockers Revenge (a big disco hit in 1982) is a better track than the Katrina and the Waves song. There's also the excellent Walking Into Sunshine by Central Line from 1981.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    FFS, 18 more minutes of voting! :angry:
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    kle4 said:

    Can I separate the sheep from the goats by asking all those who think the UK’s Eurovision entry will do badly because the nasssty EUssssr hatessss ussss rather than it being crap to put their hands up?

    Get well soon JohnO.

    A good or bad song can break free of things a bit, as it is hardly a universal rule, but I don't think it is controversial or partisan that people have historically noted some pretty obvious geopolitical points scoring in Eurovision over the years. As an attempt at trolling goes it is a bit below standard. But you can fall back on saying the answer is obsessed with you or something (as you simultaneously seek out idiot unionists online for us all to laugh at)
    The problem with the UK entry is the BBC picks it every year.

    You could try and get a good artist doing a good song OR you could do something off beat and memorable but every year we pick a middle of the road song by a mediocre artist that is instantly forgettable.
    Yet another reason to abolish the BBC.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    Be interesting to see how this does in the ratings compared to the more Showbiz types. I only watched the Chris Eubank one which was okay. Can’t see it doing anything to shift votes. It just smacks of desperation.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    edited May 2021
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Italy, for the heroic trousers.

    Italy have just drifted badly on Betfair: out to 3.5 from 2.7-ish.
    Pants
    It is a thin market so it could just be one or two punters laying off. If you can't see a reason for the drift, it might be a good time to press up.

    ETA in some ways that is bad advice: better is when you can see the reason for a drift but you disagree.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died weeks before he was sworn in as an MP.

    Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has given the most 'searingly honest and intensely emotional' interview of his life, in which he reveals how a series of devastating family tragedies shaped him into the man he is today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608419/Keir-Starmer-breaks-tears-Piers-Morgans-TV-show.html

    How do "a series of devastating family tragedies" shape him into the boring man he is today?
    Sounds a right laugh
    No he can't channel Benny Hill like Johnson.
    “Right Sir Keir, we are in the shit. People think you’re earnest but dull, & Boris puts a smile on their face, even though they don’t trust him. We’ve had 15 months of pandemic misery & the nation needs a lift, a sunny disposition, a bit of levity, a break from the constant doom and depressing talk of death and disease...”

    ‘ Keir Starmer's tears for his father: Labour leader breaks down in tears on Piers Morgan's Life Stories as he talks for first time about three shattering family tragedies - including how his mother died’
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    While we're talking of gayness and music, can I recommend Elton John's "Me", possibly one of the best celebrity autobiographies I have ever read. Up there with William Goldman, David Niven - but better than them

    Mind-boggling gossip, and extremely funny. It is also explains why he is possibly the most successful solo star of all time, and his bravery in being Out and gay so early.

    He's a dude, the book is superb

    That’s been sitting behind my tv cabinet unread, along with Andrew Ridgey’s book, for about 18 months!

    Along with every other book I’ve bought in the last three years other than ‘The Great Betrayal’ by Ian Smith, and ‘Treasure Island’

    *and ‘The Friends of Eddie Coyle’ which I lent to my Dad
    I entreat you to read it. I bet you will be laughing out loud within 10 pages. It is dazzling, and OMFG the stories. Why is it to entertaining to read of someone fucking up everything in a haze of cocaine, booze, and rent boys, possibly involving the Queen Mother? I dunno, but it is. I guess we all love gossip

    To be fair it does decline once he goes sober (sober people are just a bit more boring) but even then it is excellent - as against brilliant

    It's a world class autobiography, and he has led a life unmatched by any

    I will read it... just no time!

    Funny you type this just as a wild mate of mine who has been in AA for about ten years is what’s apping that he is struggling

    In his mad days he once went into a Romford brass house, off his head on gear and booze, and shagged every one of them, then left his Oyster card, work tools and wallet behind and his long suffering dad had to go pick them up the next day!

    As another mate said ‘how I wish I had that lack of self control’!!
    As a prodigious musical genius, Elton John is up there with Mozart. He is basically the gay-clown-shoes-wearing Mozart of our time. I never realised the scale of his achievement until I read his book

    AND he had sex with 10,000 people and sniffed metric tonnes of coke, and then got properly serious with the booze and strippers, while buying entire villages and chateaux

    I salute him
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    The Sunday Times story.

    Does Boris end up in the history books as initially wanting herd immunity when the pandemic began, hence the high number of deaths?
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