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After a disappointing set of results for LAB one figure appears to have bucked the trend – political

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  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    PCC Cheshire (currently held by Lab)

    1 prefs

    Con 44%
    Lab 37%
    LD 14%
    Reform 3%

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,452
    edited May 2021

    Evening all! Still feeling zonked by the Pfizer flu, so after watching the best Formula E race ever from Monaco I had a sleep.

    It can take a while for it to properly sync with SkyNet and have you hooked into Bill Gates network...Took me 3 days or so to get over it.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2021
    Labour held Merton and Wandsworth constituency for the London Assembly

    Leonie Cooper 41.7 (=)
    Con 33.7 (-5.7)

    For Mayor Merton and Wandsworth is

    Khan -0.6
    Bailey -6.1
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,793
    edited May 2021
    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    John Curtice on the BBC "The first law of politics is the law of unintended consequences and that has certainly played out with respect to devolution."
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2021
    Stocky said:

    So Andy Burnham has been reelected and therefore committed to another term of mayor, is not an MP and yet is 4/1 clear favourite with the bookies for next LP leader and can be laid at 5.4 at the exchanges.

    Clear lay surely?

    Yes
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    Such a rubbish performance!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    SNP + Green combined = 65 already!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,268
    The Tories lose control of Tunbridge Wells district council for the first time since 1998 after LD, Independent and Labour gains, though they remain largest party

    https://www.timeslocalnews.co.uk/tunbridge-wells-news/conservatives-lose-control-of-tunbridge-wells-after-two-decades-in-power
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113
    ping said:

    Stocky said:

    So Andy Burnham has been reelected and therefore committed to another term of mayor, is not an MP and yet is 4/1 clear favourite with the bookies for next LP leader and can be laid at 5.4 at the exchanges.

    Clear lay surely?

    Yes
    I've just managed to lay a bit at 4.7!
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    Such a rubbish performance!
    Garbage in, garbage out...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    I think Sir Keir will have to go. It's not just his politics that is underwhelming (that can be forgiven), it's that he's letting Boris and minions off Scott free - the sense of bitter frustration from the Left over that is palpable.
    Boris as Gru...getting up to all manner of mischief with his Minions, but still coming out of it all loveable in the end.

    You've nailed it.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    No, no, he's just lucky. Everyone says so.
    It is amazing that people still underestimate him and/or have moved on to the “he will get found out eventually” strategy. Sounds just like how people used to talk about Blair.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    Acually "constituencies", not Boroughs. There are 32 Boroughs, plus the City of London.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,982

    SNP + Green combined = 65 already!

    You must have missed the memo - only absolute majorities count, apparently.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,871

    Just musing - when a working class area becomes gentrified, politically it moves to the left.

    That's fecking mad.

    Few working people can afford to be socialists.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Just musing - when a working class area becomes gentrified, politically it moves to the left.

    That's fecking mad.

    Wales is gentrified?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,452

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    I think Sir Keir will have to go. It's not just his politics that is underwhelming (that can be forgiven), it's that he's letting Boris and minions off Scott free - the sense of bitter frustration from the Left over that is palpable.
    Boris as Gru...getting up to all manner of mischief with his Minions, but still coming out of it all loveable in the end.

    You've nailed it.
    But he has lost his dr nefario...
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    edited May 2021

    Just musing - when a working class area becomes gentrified, politically it moves to the left.

    That's fecking mad.

    Bear in mind that as part of the process, the people originally living there are usually forced out.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    sarissa said:

    SNP + Green combined = 65 already!

    You must have missed the memo - only absolute majorities count, apparently.
    I said "already" - list seats yet to declare!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Glasgow

    4 Labour
    Pauline McNeill
    Anas Sarwar
    Paul Sweeney
    Pam Duncan-Glancy

    2 Con
    Annie Wells
    Sandesh Gulhane

    1 Green
    Patrick Harvey

    Same as 2016
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,793
    Binface now 17784 with 4 out of 15 boroughs to go - He is going to walk it (get 20K to trigger the ladbrokes bet )
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    It feels like a “neo-Boris” candidate could/should have won.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,050

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    Such a rubbish performance!
    Lord Sutch would be proud.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Count Binface deserves every vote, just for this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktVvO2SafAY
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    sarissa said:

    SNP + Green combined = 65 already!

    You must have missed the memo - only absolute majorities count, apparently.
    I said "already" - list seats yet to declare!
    A minority of lists have come throiugh - so you can add 3 to that as a running count.

    https://news.stv.tv/politics/election-2021-seat-by-seat-results-as-they-happen
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Binface now 17784 with 4 out of 15 boroughs to go - He is going to walk it (get 20K to trigger the ladbrokes bet )

    At the very least, the pub in his manifesto should now move the hand dryer for him.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Binface now 17784 with 4 out of 15 boroughs to go - He is going to walk it (get 20K to trigger the ladbrokes bet )

    "Waste" of time :lol:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    So which loons are trying to oust Rayner?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    It looked like another Boris, didn't it? Becker. Now there was a muscly guy.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,470

    Just musing - when a working class area becomes gentrified, politically it moves to the left.

    That's fecking mad.

    Middle class replacing the working class without a change in the housing stock is a very urban thing.

    And the urban middle classes are increasingly left wing.

    The likes of Fulham and Battersea a generation ago saw gentrification favouring the Conservatives but that was very much a financial services caused effect.

    When an area becomes more middle class because of new housing being built then that is more likely to favour the Conservatives.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,452
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    It looked like another Boris, didn't it? Becker. Now there was a muscly guy.
    Another serial shagger.....and out of money.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Binface now 17784 with 4 out of 15 boroughs to go - He is going to walk it (get 20K to trigger the ladbrokes bet )


    BINFACE!!!!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637

    Evening all! Still feeling zonked by the Pfizer flu, so after watching the best Formula E race ever from Monaco I had a sleep.

    It was a brilliant race. Saving sufficient energy for the last lap is key
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113

    Count Binface deserves every vote, just for this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktVvO2SafAY

    He could do well on second prefs couldn't he?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    No, no, he's just lucky. Everyone says so.
    Not just. Not by a long chalk. But he is.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,851

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,793

    Binface now 17784 with 4 out of 15 boroughs to go - He is going to walk it (get 20K to trigger the ladbrokes bet )


    BINFACE!!!!!
    Did you get around the 8/1 on him?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637

    So which loons are trying to oust Rayner?

    What do you mean?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    edited May 2021
    Stocky said:

    So Andy Burnham has been reelected and therefore committed to another term of mayor, is not an MP and yet is 4/1 clear favourite with the bookies for next LP leader and can be laid at 5.4 at the exchanges.

    Clear lay surely?

    Yes, I think so.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2021
    Durham PCC (it includes Darlington)

    second round

    Labour 80,520
    Conservative 77,352

    Lab hold
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Binface now 17784 with 4 out of 15 boroughs to go - He is going to walk it (get 20K to trigger the ladbrokes bet )


    BINFACE!!!!!
    Did you get around the 8/1 on him?
    I got 15/2
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
    He only needs 1 in 50 of those to come off, and he wins bigtime.
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 220

    Conservative GAIN Southampton City Council

    Wow.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,793
    edited May 2021
    Still vert tight between Fox and Omilano for best minnow .Fox ahead but City and East to come
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    It looked like another Boris, didn't it? Becker. Now there was a muscly guy.
    Another serial shagger.....and out of money.
    Yep - much in common.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    There is one wild card I suppose. If enough left of centre LibDems and greens went Binface as second preference for a joke because they assumed Khan was a shoe in, I guess the second preference framework COULD look different than expected for Bailey.

    Doubt it though.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
    I bloody love them.

    Then again Leave was a clear loser at around midnight on that heady day in June and that was a five figure win for me...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    Such a rubbish performance!
    Garbage in, garbage out...
    All that litters isn't gold...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
    He only needs 1 in 50 of those to come off, and he wins bigtime.
    Absolutely! Plus I'm greedy...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
    He only needs 1 in 50 of those to come off, and he wins bigtime.
    I may have to give up political betting if Bailey wins.

    I'll still make money on the race overall because of my laying of Gammons et al but I have been so uncomplimentary about Shaun Bailey for ages.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Victor


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,268
    edited May 2021

    Just musing - when a working class area becomes gentrified, politically it moves to the left.

    That's fecking mad.

    Middle class replacing the working class without a change in the housing stock is a very urban thing.

    And the urban middle classes are increasingly left wing.

    The likes of Fulham and Battersea a generation ago saw gentrification favouring the Conservatives but that was very much a financial services caused effect.

    When an area becomes more middle class because of new housing being built then that is more likely to favour the Conservatives.
    Not if they already own property as it means they will vote LD or Green locally to protect the fields and countryside.

    The main factor of course is Brexit, this is now the poshest Labour party ever under Sir Keir, gaining seats in Remain voting upper middle class Surrey and Tunbridge Wells and a swing from the Tories in West London and winning the West of England Mayoralty thanks to Bristol and increasing its vote in posh Edinburgh while losing seats and votes in working class Leave voting areas from Harlow and Basildon, to Hartlepool, Nuneaton, Cannock Chase and Rotherham, the West Midlands and Havering and Bexley as Boris' Tories are the most working class Tory party ever and failing to make any gains from the SNP in its old Glasgow working class heartland.

    Only Wales it seems is still seeing the working class vote Labour

  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
    That's a polite way of putting it.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    North East Scotland

    4 Con
    2 Lab
    1 Green

    Green gain.
    LD lost seat
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,470

    They

    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that the thread header is a little harsh on Drakeford who has done exceptionally well in Wales and of course the new Labour Mayor of the West of England.

    Its SKS that has been a complete failure. Difficult circumstances, Covid and all that, but a poor performance with no policies, no vision, no obvious direction other than hoping that the juggernaut that has just rolled over the top of him might veer off course at some point.

    He is SO BORING. I have just realised what is wrong with the taking the knee photograph, whatever your views on knee taking: it's in an empty characterless badly furnished boardroom. Could they not have popped out to the Mandela statue in Parliament Square?
    Yesterdays we must connect with the public interview from his Westminster office with a shelf full of boring books the only other thing in shot....cut to Boris in Hartlepool with his blimp.
    Boris and his Blimp was on the front of most every paper today. Just fucking genius.

    I would hate to have him as an opponent.
    No, no, he's just lucky. Everyone says so.
    It is amazing that people still underestimate him and/or have moved on to the “he will get found out eventually” strategy. Sounds just like how people used to talk about Blair.
    Boris is able to make many of his enemies so angry and bitter that they are unable to consider him rationally, claim his success is all down to luck and so continually underestimate him.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Victor


    Have you seen his Independent interview on YouTube? I hope he sticks around for a while to brighten up our elections.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    Just musing - when a working class area becomes gentrified, politically it moves to the left.

    That's fecking mad.

    Middle class replacing the working class without a change in the housing stock is a very urban thing.

    And the urban middle classes are increasingly left wing.

    The likes of Fulham and Battersea a generation ago saw gentrification favouring the Conservatives but that was very much a financial services caused effect.

    When an area becomes more middle class because of new housing being built then that is more likely to favour the Conservatives.
    The urban middle class need a stiff dose off socialism - to see how much they will be the milch cow....
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113

    Victor


    What a star! Can certainly picture him at the door of No 10. Next LP leader? Now that would make the Tories quake.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
    Annoyingly the Tory list vote looks likely to have held up despite going backwards in constituencies. So the Greens will pick seats up in regions like mine in the NE, but from us not the Tories.

    Odd that people are still trying to argue that a leap into the 70s of independence MSPs and a record haul in constituency seats and votes for the SNP after 3 terms in government is somehow a defeat for them and for independence. I'm a federalist (so neither a unionist nor a secessionist) but you can't deny how the votes have stacked up both to give nippy a 4th term and to give a thumping majority for a new referendum.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    edited May 2021

    North East Scotland

    4 Con
    2 Lab
    1 Green

    Green gain.
    LD lost seat

    Bollocks. Though on the bright side, Handy Alex didn't get a seat!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    Count Binface up to 15919 with 5 boroughs to declare - going to be close with the 20K jackpot!

    I've not been following the count - will Khan win on first prefs?
    No only on 39.7 % so far after 9 of 14 boroughs . City and East still to declare which is strong Kham land so think he will get 41-42 in end
    That's a good result for the Tories isn't it (given it's London)?
    Just put a few more quid on Bailey...
    You are the master of the good value loser.
    He only needs 1 in 50 of those to come off, and he wins bigtime.
    I may have to give up political betting if Bailey wins.

    I'll still make money on the race overall because of my laying of Gammons et al but I have been so uncomplimentary about Shaun Bailey for ages.
    He is undoubtedly rough around the edges. Ask @MaxPB. And I absolutely respect people who vehemently dislike some of his comments. I do also.

    But I have worked with him previously and I think there's more good than bad in him.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
    Annoyingly the Tory list vote looks likely to have held up despite going backwards in constituencies. So the Greens will pick seats up in regions like mine in the NE, but from us not the Tories.

    Odd that people are still trying to argue that a leap into the 70s of independence MSPs and a record haul in constituency seats and votes for the SNP after 3 terms in government is somehow a defeat for them and for independence. I'm a federalist (so neither a unionist nor a secessionist) but you can't deny how the votes have stacked up both to give nippy a 4th term and to give a thumping majority for a new referendum.
    Hmm. I think part of the issue was the narrative hyping up an SNP majority, the “both votes snp” strategy. I didn’t expect pro unionist parties to get a higher % of vote share overall.

    Hence the the stalemate..
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    On the downside, my career is probably FUBAR'ed as Labour won CPCA and will now sh*t on my parade.

    Oh well. There is beer.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Can people talk me through why everyone is asusming the SNP will lose all 3 South of Scotland List seats?

    Am I missing something. I've run the numbers and no matter what the scenario the SNP get the last List seat. Which would take them to 64 seat overall.

    But everyone is saying they will get 63 seats.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Enfield & Haringey

    Khan -7.1
    Bailey +2.4

    Assembly constituency

    Labour 48.3 (-5.7)
    Con 25.8 (+2.2)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
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    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

    What about Jess Phillips, quite a few on the labour right seem to think the Tories would quake in their boots at the thought of facing her.
    Burnham would be an infinitely better choice for Labour than Phillips. Labour Party would probably split if she became leader.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
    Annoyingly the Tory list vote looks likely to have held up despite going backwards in constituencies. So the Greens will pick seats up in regions like mine in the NE, but from us not the Tories.

    Odd that people are still trying to argue that a leap into the 70s of independence MSPs and a record haul in constituency seats and votes for the SNP after 3 terms in government is somehow a defeat for them and for independence. I'm a federalist (so neither a unionist nor a secessionist) but you can't deny how the votes have stacked up both to give nippy a 4th term and to give a thumping majority for a new referendum.
    Hmm. I think part of the issue was the narrative hyping up an SNP majority, the “both votes snp” strategy. I didn’t expect pro unionist parties to get a higher % of vote share overall.

    Hence the the stalemate..
    There is no stalemate. Various parties have a manifesto pledge to independence, and for the first time since the 2011 parliament we have a majority of MSPs for it. And a record number of MSPs for independence.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Incidentally, it's obvious Count Binface is centre-left (the anti-Boris/Priti, monarchy-sceptic and pro-EU stars etc.) but I don't care.

    He's fun and funny - our politics needs much more of that.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
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    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    Whenever Mrs. Kissel breaks wind, we beat the dog.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795
    edited May 2021

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
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    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    ITS ON! "Like Fat Pat's thong"
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Anyone see this?

    BBC have comprehensively bust the embargo on Boris Johnson letter to Nicola Sturgeon, which is supposed to be 10.30pm

    https://twitter.com/ChrisGreenNews/status/1391082838125162501?s=20
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
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    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    Erm...... Does he want her as an enemy looking to dethrone him?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Stocky said:

    Victor


    What a star! Can certainly picture him at the door of No 10. Next LP leader? Now that would make the Tories quake.
    Count at the count
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
    ·
    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    Even I as a Tory think that's totally f-ing stupid. She's not the problem.

    What's wrong with him?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Once David Miliband was defeated by his brother in 2010, Burnham was the only potential Labour leadership contender as a Tory I really feared and still do.

    Centrist in Labour terms, not fanatically anti Brexit and respecting the Leave vote despite having backed Remain, charismatic and Northern rather than London he ticks all the boxes Labour need

    What about Jess Phillips, quite a few on the labour right seem to think the Tories would quake in their boots at the thought of facing her.
    Burnham would be an infinitely better choice for Labour than Phillips. Labour Party would probably split if she became leader.
    Given that Labour needs to rid itself of the left wing elements with their own agendas where is the problem in encouraging them to leave earlier?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706

    North East Scotland

    4 Con
    2 Lab
    1 Green

    Green gain.
    LD lost seat

    Bollocks. Though on the bright side, Handy Alex didn't get a seat!
    Yeah, Maurice is there. Met him several times for leafleting Nice chap.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Owen Jones 🌹
    @OwenJones84
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    8m
    Keir Starmer is sacking Angela Rayner as party chair as part of his new strategy, Operation Scapegoat Working Class Women For The Abject Failures Of Keir Starmer
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    tlg86 said:
    Starmer.

    He doesn't have the power to sack her as depute.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,050
    edited May 2021

    Incidentally, it's obvious Count Binface is centre-left (the anti-Boris/Priti, monarchy-sceptic and pro-EU stars etc.) but I don't care.

    He's fun and funny - our politics needs much more of that.

    He's really in the tradition of Lord Sutch, which is not either progressive or conservative, and yes I definitely agree a good thing. 1960s British pantomime.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    On the downside, my career is probably FUBAR'ed as Labour won CPCA and will now sh*t on my parade.

    Oh well. There is beer.

    I thought you were still working on HS2? Did you move to the Cambridgeshire Metro?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,268
    edited May 2021
    Alistair said:

    Can people talk me through why everyone is asusming the SNP will lose all 3 South of Scotland List seats?

    Am I missing something. I've run the numbers and no matter what the scenario the SNP get the last List seat. Which would take them to 64 seat overall.

    But everyone is saying they will get 63 seats.

    Regardless, that will still be short of the 65 needed for a majority
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
    Annoyingly the Tory list vote looks likely to have held up despite going backwards in constituencies. So the Greens will pick seats up in regions like mine in the NE, but from us not the Tories.

    Odd that people are still trying to argue that a leap into the 70s of independence MSPs and a record haul in constituency seats and votes for the SNP after 3 terms in government is somehow a defeat for them and for independence. I'm a federalist (so neither a unionist nor a secessionist) but you can't deny how the votes have stacked up both to give nippy a 4th term and to give a thumping majority for a new referendum.
    Hmm. I think part of the issue was the narrative hyping up an SNP majority, the “both votes snp” strategy. I didn’t expect pro unionist parties to get a higher % of vote share overall.

    Hence the the stalemate..
    There is no stalemate. Various parties have a manifesto pledge to independence, and for the first time since the 2011 parliament we have a majority of MSPs for it. And a record number of MSPs for independence.
    We’re pretty much where we were in 2016.

    How is Sturgeon going to get the vote?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
    Annoyingly the Tory list vote looks likely to have held up despite going backwards in constituencies. So the Greens will pick seats up in regions like mine in the NE, but from us not the Tories.

    Odd that people are still trying to argue that a leap into the 70s of independence MSPs and a record haul in constituency seats and votes for the SNP after 3 terms in government is somehow a defeat for them and for independence. I'm a federalist (so neither a unionist nor a secessionist) but you can't deny how the votes have stacked up both to give nippy a 4th term and to give a thumping majority for a new referendum.
    I don't want Scotland to be under SNP control a minute longer than necessary, but I have felt for a while that it was necessary from a Unionist standpoint that Sturgeon's necrotic Government be returned to power. There's a lot coming down the line for them to own. People 'going off them a bit' and returning a Unionist party to power, then going off that party, and returning the SNP to power, isn't going to happen - this isn't politics as usual. This is about a movement, and how that plays out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    Anyone see this?

    BBC have comprehensively bust the embargo on Boris Johnson letter to Nicola Sturgeon, which is supposed to be 10.30pm

    https://twitter.com/ChrisGreenNews/status/1391082838125162501?s=20

    Yes.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
    ·
    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    ITS ON! "Like Fat Pat's thong"
    Can you please tell me what it all means.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    Can people talk me through why everyone is asusming the SNP will lose all 3 South of Scotland List seats?

    Am I missing something. I've run the numbers and no matter what the scenario the SNP get the last List seat. Which would take them to 64 seat overall.

    But everyone is saying they will get 63 seats.

    Regardless, that will still be short of the 65 needed for a majority
    Yes - but hardly regardless if you are betting on the number of seats they win!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,795

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
    ·
    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    Even I as a Tory think that's totally f-ing stupid. She's not the problem.

    What's wrong with him?
    I reported a few days ago my Labour sources from up very high that Rayner was on manuevers. On what planet does it make sense to sack the deputy leader? If she's launched a putsch against you!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    7th seat in North East was Labour's second seat (the Momentum's woman)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,268

    Not looking like a good result for us LibDems in Scotland - kept our constituency seats but going to struggle on the list. We do get a change around thanks to the SNP winning more constituency seats and votes cast than ever before, so list seats allocated will be different. Had hoped to pick seats up off the Tories, but the big winners on the list seats will be pro-indy Greens.

    I agree, not looking good. I seem to have been continuously depressed for 11 years from the Orange/Yellow viewpoint.
    Annoyingly the Tory list vote looks likely to have held up despite going backwards in constituencies. So the Greens will pick seats up in regions like mine in the NE, but from us not the Tories.

    Odd that people are still trying to argue that a leap into the 70s of independence MSPs and a record haul in constituency seats and votes for the SNP after 3 terms in government is somehow a defeat for them and for independence. I'm a federalist (so neither a unionist nor a secessionist) but you can't deny how the votes have stacked up both to give nippy a 4th term and to give a thumping majority for a new referendum.
    52% of Scots have voted against indyref2 and for Unionist parties, only 48% for, even before the 2016 EU referendum the Tories and UKIP won 50% of the vote in 2015
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027

    Patrick Maguire
    @patrickkmaguire
    ·
    4m
    Angela Rayner has been sacked as chairman of the Labour Party, source confirms

    Even I as a Tory think that's totally f-ing stupid. She's not the problem.

    What's wrong with him?
    This does seem totally tone death

    Unless she’s on manoeuvres and it’s a preemptive move..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    If anyone asks, my account was hacked for the next ten minutes.
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