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The screen-grab from the BBC’s LE2017 coverage that sets out the huge challenge for Johnson’s party

SystemSystem Posts: 12,244
edited May 2021 in General
imageThe screen-grab from the BBC’s LE2017 coverage that sets out the huge challenge for Johnson’s party on Thursday – politicalbetting.com

As we know local elections are scheduled for every May with a different set of seats coming up each year on a four year cycle. So this year we have those that were last contested in 2017 as well as 2016 when COVID prevented elections being held,

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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,752
    edited May 2021
    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,261
    Second!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,752
    IanB2 said:

    Second!

    Rate as in LoD finale?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Well, that is at least an original beginning even if it was a shite ending.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    1 Green leaflet and 5 from the Lib Dems. Nothing from the Tories and Labour.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,752
    ydoethur said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Well, that is at least an original beginning even if it was a shite ending.
    You are the 4th man!!

    And I claim my licence fee back
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    On the topic of good or bad TV endings, the best has to be the finale of M*A*S*H
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065

    ydoethur said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Well, that is at least an original beginning even if it was a shite ending.
    You are the 4th man!!

    And I claim my licence fee back
    I always said I was Orson, but it seems I have to pick up Cotten.

    Not going too well for Murphy right now. 3-1 to Selby since the mid-session interval and even when he gets a chance he’s twitchy. He needs a mess up from Selby here.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,733

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Defanately the finale?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    On the plus side, it leaves open the posibility of series 7.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    On the topic of good or bad TV endings, the best has to be the finale of M*A*S*H

    Life on Mars is another cracking finale.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,348
    On topic, forget the change in council seats, look at the national equivalent vote share.

    The media will fixate on the former, but the latter is what shows us the state of the parties.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641
    As I have posted on here previously I don't expect CON to do anything on Thur.

    As Mike has pointed out above we did very well in 2017, and we would be expected to go backwards.

    Also not expecting anything in London, Wales or Scotland.

    But there's 3 years to the GE, we have an 80 Maj and the pressure is all on the other parties. 👍
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,282

    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065
    Wow.

    What a pot that was.

    Not a millimetre to spare either way and it never even brushed the edge.

    Shame about the blue.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021
    Jonathan said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Defanately the finale?
    Definately not.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065
    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,507
    ydoethur said:

    Wow.

    What a pot that was.

    Not a millimetre to spare either way and it never even brushed the edge.

    Shame about the blue.

    Hang on. Thought it was 8 frames tonight.
    I take it they are still playing?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021
    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065
    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    Wow.

    What a pot that was.

    Not a millimetre to spare either way and it never even brushed the edge.

    Shame about the blue.

    Hang on. Thought it was 8 frames tonight.
    I take it they are still playing?
    As of last year (I think) they play nine in the first evening. So 17 on the first day.

    I had forgotten this earlier when I said it might be 10-6.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,695

    IanB2 said:

    Second!

    Rate as in LoD finale?
    Trouble with LoD is they built up H as running the OCG for most of the series but the logic was always that H was just a senior copper being paid by the OCG(s). In dramatic terms, the pacing seemed a bit off. I think someone said the last two episodes were re-edited from a 90-minute finale, which might have something to do with it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,282

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    Most countries have shifted AZ to 12 weeks following clinical advice from AZ showing over 90% efficacy using the 12 week dosing regime vs about 62% with 4 weeks. Most European countries have shifted over for AZ, India are doing 12 weeks for it and Canada are doing 16 weeks.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,029

    As I have posted on here previously I don't expect CON to do anything on Thur.

    As Mike has pointed out above we did very well in 2017, and we would be expected to go backwards.

    Also not expecting anything in London, Wales or Scotland.

    But there's 3 years to the GE, we have an 80 Maj and the pressure is all on the other parties. 👍

    Oh dear, basic downplaying expectation management so if there's a good result, you can say how "surprised" you are that "we" are doing so well.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    Most countries have shifted AZ to 12 weeks following clinical advice from AZ showing over 90% efficacy using the 12 week dosing regime vs about 62% with 4 weeks. Most European countries have shifted over for AZ, India are doing 12 weeks for it and Canada are doing 16 weeks.

    Ok fair enough - I stand corrected.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Cyclefree said:

    I don't know tha

    On the topic of good or bad TV endings, the best has to be the finale of M*A*S*H

    Not seen it. But Blackadder has to be up there, no?
    Yes I'd put that up there too.

    That's probably my second favourite.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,871
    edited May 2021
    Boris needs to end up as a net winner to steady his party’s nerves.

    I think you're taking expectations management to silly levels.

    If we look at the national equivalent vote shares at similar stages then:

    1976 Opposition leads by 10%?
    1981 Opposition leads by 3%
    1985 Opposition leads by 7%
    1989 Opposition leads by 6%
    1994 Opposition leads by 12%
    1999 Government leads by 2%
    2003 Opposition leads by 5%
    2007 Opposition leads by 14%
    2012 Opposition leads by 6%
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021
    The Night Manager had a great finale.

    Though the 1999 Champions League has to be the best ever final finale.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065
    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    Enterprise is worse.

    Albeit most of the series was pretty shit, so it may be not many people noticed.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,759

    Cyclefree said:

    I don't know tha

    On the topic of good or bad TV endings, the best has to be the finale of M*A*S*H

    Not seen it. But Blackadder has to be up there, no?
    Yes I'd put that up there too.

    That's probably my second favourite.
    What about the ending of 'It Ain't Half Hot, Mum'? That brought a tear to my eye!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    ydoethur said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    Enterprise is worse.

    Albeit most of the series was pretty shit, so it may be not many people noticed.
    I never got into Enterprise, so I never saw the ending.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,871
    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    The penultimate season was pretty crap as well.

    The TV series lost its way when it got ahead of the books.

    Though I doubt Martin knows how to end it either.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,759



    Jonathan said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Defanately the finale?
    Definately not.
    One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was learn how to spell 'finite'. Much correct spelling follows.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065
    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    Enterprise is worse.

    Albeit most of the series was pretty shit, so it may be not many people noticed.
    I never got into Enterprise, so I never saw the ending.
    You didn’t miss too much.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    My dose yesterday was AZ, I'm guessing that means second dose won't be possible before 11 weeks from now? So about end of July?

    Side effects wise I've had a splitting headache and sore arm. Hopefully that passes tomorrow.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640

    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    My dose yesterday was AZ, I'm guessing that means second dose won't be possible before 11 weeks from now? So about end of July?

    Side effects wise I've had a splitting headache and sore arm. Hopefully that passes tomorrow.
    Had mine yesterday, second dose booked for 17th July. I feel crappy too!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,693
    edited May 2021

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    The penultimate season was pretty crap as well.

    The TV series lost its way when it got ahead of the books.

    Though I doubt Martin knows how to end it either.
    Presumably why he's essentially stopped writing it. I'd not be surprised if he's trying to rewrite things that were always intended, and so put in the show, but since people didn't like he's trying to work around it.

    I will still defend the later seasons. There were genuine issues particularly with the last season which for some reason they cut down to only 6 episodes when, I'd argue, what they sought to do needed more time, but I still think many of the major elements which some people hated stand up and make sense within the overall arc of things, with admittedly some elements seemingly being more poor attempt at defying expectation. But the big Dany arc which for me is the heart of the show ended up pretty much exactly where I thought it was always setting up for, from the very early seasons. They just rushed the fall from grace which was always coming.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,261

    IanB2 said:

    Second!

    Rate as in LoD finale?
    It could have been worse. There was a major twist and a couple of smaller ones. It got the story mostly wrapped up, and managed to find time for some action/suspense and an interview, even if neither of these were up to the standard of previous ones. It’s main fault was the way in which years of work was supposedly wrapped up in a day or two.

    Endings often seem to happen very quickly, as the writers stop laying the clues and the misdirections and suddenly somebody spills the beans and everything is revealed.

    As someone said above, there are few good endings. With US series this doesn’t matter as anyone who has stuck it through to the end of series eleven will clearly put up with anything. For European series I thought The Bureau ending was very good. And bravely created as well.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    https://twitter.com/donie/status/1388604679517573121

    70% of Republicans don't think Biden won the election....

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,695

    Cyclefree said:

    I don't know tha

    On the topic of good or bad TV endings, the best has to be the finale of M*A*S*H

    Not seen it. But Blackadder has to be up there, no?
    Yes I'd put that up there too.

    That's probably my second favourite.
    What about the ending of 'It Ain't Half Hot, Mum'? That brought a tear to my eye!
    Problems with a vaccine shortage?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I was teasing.

    I am rather surprised Hancock spoke to Blair about the idea though. I would not have expected any contact at all between any member of the current cabinet and Blair.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,507
    edited May 2021

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    That was me too. Good news for you and @Philip_Thompson. I was all better in the morning.
    However, was fatigued for a week. Everything 50% more tiring. Though nowt impossible.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I was teasing.

    I am rather surprised Hancock spoke to Blair about the idea though. I would not have expected any contact at all between any member of the current cabinet and Blair.
    All former PMs are entitled to briefing on Privy Counsellor terms & are expected to offer their advice
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849

    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    My dose yesterday was AZ, I'm guessing that means second dose won't be possible before 11 weeks from now? So about end of July?

    Side effects wise I've had a splitting headache and sore arm. Hopefully that passes tomorrow.
    Had mine yesterday, second dose booked for 17th July. I feel crappy too!

    Well done both. Hopefully you'll both be feeling better tomorrow. Mrs P felt ill for 36 hours, then right as rain. I had no ill effects at all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,693
    Of course, most tv shows, like political careers, don't end when the creators plan, so it makes sense they end up being crap. If someone, show or leader, does choose the end endpoint and it still is crap, that's so much worse.

    Babylon 5 had the opposite problem of course - it thought it was ending and so rushed what would have been a brilliant ending to the major plotlines, but then kept going.

    Person of Interest ended pretty well
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849



    Jonathan said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Defanately the finale?
    Definately not.
    One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was learn how to spell 'finite'. Much correct spelling follows.

    It's not the spelling of definite that's the issue, it's the pronounciation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,693
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Second!

    Rate as in LoD finale?
    It could have been worse. There was a major twist and a couple of smaller ones. It got the story mostly wrapped up, and managed to find time for some action/suspense and an interview.
    Reminds me a bit of the game LA Noire, a large focus of which was interrogating suspects and presenting clues. I recall a criticism being the game ended with ridiculous shootout action when for the type of game it was it should have ended with a really difficult interrogation sequence.

    Feels like a proper LoD ending would have been an hour long interview scene

    Granted, that is essentially what the Netflix show Criminal is (and is quite good).

    And of course the best episode of The Thick of It was the public inquiry episode.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Second!

    Rate as in LoD finale?
    It could have been worse. There was a major twist and a couple of smaller ones. It got the story mostly wrapped up, and managed to find time for some action/suspense and an interview, even if neither of these were up to the standard of previous ones. It’s main fault was the way in which years of work was supposedly wrapped up in a day or two.

    Endings often seem to happen very quickly, as the writers stop laying the clues and the misdirections and suddenly somebody spills the beans and everything is revealed.

    As someone said above, there are few good endings. With US series this doesn’t matter as anyone who has stuck it through to the end of series eleven will clearly put up with anything. For European series I thought The Bureau ending was very good. And bravely created as well.
    The problem is multi-threaded stories, because in real life stories usually end one at a time. Successful plays are about one person, Agamemnon or Hamlet or whoever, not about multiple dynasties.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,693



    Jonathan said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Defanately the finale?
    Definately not.
    One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was learn how to spell 'finite'. Much correct spelling follows.

    It's not the spelling of definite that's the issue, it's the pronounciation.
    I think it's more that the English language is the problem, the these are just consequences.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,765
    kle4 said:

    Of course, most tv shows, like political careers, don't end when the creators plan, so it makes sense they end up being crap. If someone, show or leader, does choose the end endpoint and it still is crap, that's so much worse.

    Babylon 5 had the opposite problem of course - it thought it was ending and so rushed what would have been a brilliant ending to the major plotlines, but then kept going.

    Person of Interest ended pretty well

    The worst ones are the US ones where you can't tell if it was definitely intended as a cliffhanger for the next new series, or a rush salvage job to try and tie up some threads when they've realised they've been cancelled and they aren't coming back.

    Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, I'm looking at you.
    Also Jericho, although they did eventually bring it back for a second (short) season, if I remember rightly.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,507
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    Extraordinarily naive behaviour to confide in Blair and expect him not to use it to his advantage.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    The penultimate season was pretty crap as well.

    The TV series lost its way when it got ahead of the books.

    Though I doubt Martin knows how to end it either.
    Perhaps great series should be like those pieces of Greek art where bits were deliberately left out so that the viewer creates the perfect whole with their own imagination.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited May 2021
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I was teasing.

    I am rather surprised Hancock spoke to Blair about the idea though. I would not have expected any contact at all between any member of the current cabinet and Blair.
    All former PMs are entitled to briefing on Privy Counsellor terms & are expected to offer their advice
    'Briefing on Privy Counsellor terms' would surely not cover such a detailed point of implementation?
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/donie/status/1388604679517573121

    70% of Republicans don't think Biden won the election....

    And I know people who still think Arsenal are a serious football club...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,348

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    Shows that your body is doing its thing in response to the pseudo infection. Most folk seem to have side effects for around a day - longest I've heard is 3 days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,693

    kle4 said:

    Of course, most tv shows, like political careers, don't end when the creators plan, so it makes sense they end up being crap. If someone, show or leader, does choose the end endpoint and it still is crap, that's so much worse.

    Babylon 5 had the opposite problem of course - it thought it was ending and so rushed what would have been a brilliant ending to the major plotlines, but then kept going.

    Person of Interest ended pretty well

    The worst ones are the US ones where you can't tell if it was definitely intended as a cliffhanger for the next new series, or a rush salvage job to try and tie up some threads when they've realised they've been cancelled and they aren't coming back.

    Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, I'm looking at you.
    Also Jericho, although they did eventually bring it back for a second (short) season, if I remember rightly.
    They did, after fans sent thousands of nuts to the studio in protest. It was a pretty darn good short second season actually.

    The actual worse as The 4400, which I quite liked, which was renewed for a final season, but then there was a writer's strike, and it got cancelled. I even bought the novelisations that were released to tie things up (which they didn't really).
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,759
    dixiedean said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    Extraordinarily naive behaviour to confide in Blair and expect him not to use it to his advantage.
    Why was Blair involved to begin with? I know Michael Gove refers to him as 'The Master'. Is he now some kind of guru for the whole government?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    The extended second dose was a brilliant idea by Tony Blair
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,985
    edited May 2021

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    Hi Northern, you aren't a physics teacher are you?

    Just asking.
    :smiley:
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    I see the winner of the Tamil Nadu state elections is called Stalin - apparently named thus in honour of the Russian leader before the Cold War started after WW2. Like Germans called Adolf by enthusiastic 1940s parents, he must have had embarassing moments, though he is apparently grew up to be a mild-mannered regionalist social democrat. i think I'd have changed my name in his shoes, but perhaps voters there aren't that bothered.

    Incidentally, I reently changed computers, and before getting my new one used to finding politicalbetting.com, it persistently offered me what looks like a spam site, telling me I've won something or other. Do the moderators know about it?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I was teasing.

    I am rather surprised Hancock spoke to Blair about the idea though. I would not have expected any contact at all between any member of the current cabinet and Blair.
    All former PMs are entitled to briefing on Privy Counsellor terms & are expected to offer their advice
    Interesting, and on the whole positive.

    Wonder IF they could have a seance to brief and consult Sir Robert Walpole, Pitt Elder & Younger, Disraeli, Gladstone, Lloyd George, Churchill, Atlee, Macmillan, Wilson, Thatcher?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,182
    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    I think the American version of House of Cards was even worse.

    Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy on the other hand - great endings.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I see the winner of the Tamil Nadu state elections is called Stalin - apparently named thus in honour of the Russian leader before the Cold War started after WW2. Like Germans called Adolf by enthusiastic 1940s parents, he must have had embarassing moments, though he is apparently grew up to be a mild-mannered regionalist social democrat. i think I'd have changed my name in his shoes, but perhaps voters there aren't that bothered.

    Incidentally, I reently changed computers, and before getting my new one used to finding politicalbetting.com, it persistently offered me what looks like a spam site, telling me I've won something or other. Do the moderators know about it?

    Maybe he retained Stalin because the lady's like it? Does convey sense of strength!
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,182
    On topic, I think the Conservatives are more sophisticated than OGH gives them credit for - most know that 2016 was an amazing result, and the NEV is what counts for predicting national elections. So I don't think it will make much difference, especially as we're three years out.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    Hi Northern, you aren't a physics teacher are you?

    Just asking.
    :smiley:
    No mate.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Re: ends of TV shows - if you do NOT like the ones that got produced WHY NOT try your hand at something better? If not as actual production, at least as thought experiment.

    Personally have my own final episode for Frasier, where the protagonist wakes up screaming in his bed, and realizes that the last few seasons that actually got made and aired were all a horrible bad dream (which they were).

    And that he and his brother have been confined for the entire time in the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla. Which turns out to be a MUCH more pleasant existence than either staring in the final years of Frasier. Or watching them for that matter.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,507

    I see the winner of the Tamil Nadu state elections is called Stalin - apparently named thus in honour of the Russian leader before the Cold War started after WW2. Like Germans called Adolf by enthusiastic 1940s parents, he must have had embarassing moments, though he is apparently grew up to be a mild-mannered regionalist social democrat. i think I'd have changed my name in his shoes, but perhaps voters there aren't that bothered.

    Incidentally, I reently changed computers, and before getting my new one used to finding politicalbetting.com, it persistently offered me what looks like a spam site, telling me I've won something or other. Do the moderators know about it?

    Poor outcome for Modi. In many ways.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,457

    I see the winner of the Tamil Nadu state elections is called Stalin - apparently named thus in honour of the Russian leader before the Cold War started after WW2. Like Germans called Adolf by enthusiastic 1940s parents, he must have had embarassing moments, though he is apparently grew up to be a mild-mannered regionalist social democrat. i think I'd have changed my name in his shoes, but perhaps voters there aren't that bothered.

    Incidentally, I reently changed computers, and before getting my new one used to finding politicalbetting.com, it persistently offered me what looks like a spam site, telling me I've won something or other. Do the moderators know about it?

    In Namibia last year Adolf Hitler was elected. There once was a Zimbabwean General called Hitler too.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55173605
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Fishing said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    I think the American version of House of Cards was even worse.

    Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy on the other hand - great endings.
    The American version of House of Cards was total craaaaaaaap. An extraordinarily slooooooow moving piece of crap. From beginning to end (did it, or did they just pull the plug when what's his name went splat?)

    Another copy-cat piece of crap was American version of The Office. Some decent actors (not Steve Carrel obviously) wasted (and not in a good way) by lousy writing.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    dixiedean said:

    I see the winner of the Tamil Nadu state elections is called Stalin - apparently named thus in honour of the Russian leader before the Cold War started after WW2. Like Germans called Adolf by enthusiastic 1940s parents, he must have had embarassing moments, though he is apparently grew up to be a mild-mannered regionalist social democrat. i think I'd have changed my name in his shoes, but perhaps voters there aren't that bothered.

    Incidentally, I reently changed computers, and before getting my new one used to finding politicalbetting.com, it persistently offered me what looks like a spam site, telling me I've won something or other. Do the moderators know about it?

    Poor outcome for Modi. In many ways.
    Do NOT vote for Putinists! Even when you THINK you've got a good excuse.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Believe this thread is losing it's way . . . we MUST return to the burning question of Heligoland!

    My own theory is that extreme pro-Cornish independence elements burrowing in the bowls of the Foreign Office were responsible for Lord Stanley's treachery (likely unconscious but still unconscionable!)
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,182

    Fishing said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    I think the American version of House of Cards was even worse.

    Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy on the other hand - great endings.
    The American version of House of Cards was total craaaaaaaap. An extraordinarily slooooooow moving piece of crap. From beginning to end (did it, or did they just pull the plug when what's his name went splat?)

    Another copy-cat piece of crap was American version of The Office. Some decent actors (not Steve Carrel obviously) wasted (and not in a good way) by lousy writing.
    I don't agree about the US House of Cards. Seasons 1, 4 and 5 were pretty action-packed. 2 and 3 were too slow though. And yes there was way too much pointless padding and above all much too much of his wife. But when they fired Spacey, there was no reason to watch the rest of it

    I never liked the English version of the Office so have never watched the American one.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited May 2021
    Fishing said:

    Fishing said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    I think the American version of House of Cards was even worse.

    Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy on the other hand - great endings.
    The American version of House of Cards was total craaaaaaaap. An extraordinarily slooooooow moving piece of crap. From beginning to end (did it, or did they just pull the plug when what's his name went splat?)

    Another copy-cat piece of crap was American version of The Office. Some decent actors (not Steve Carrel obviously) wasted (and not in a good way) by lousy writing.
    I don't agree about the US House of Cards. Seasons 1, 4 and 5 were pretty action-packed. 2 and 3 were too slow though. And yes there was way too much pointless padding and above all much too much of his wife. But when they fired Spacey, there was no reason to watch the rest of it

    I never liked the English version of the Office so have never watched the American one.
    The American version of HoC was highly derivative. So much so, that part of it made no sense, because they were really about British politics. The producers apparently did NOT grasp the differences.

    Compared to West Wing, it was like a carthorse next to a Cadillac.

    At least what I saw and heard of it. Could be wrong. But that was my strong impression, and also of at least some others I know in US politics.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,650

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    The penultimate season was pretty crap as well.

    The TV series lost its way when it got ahead of the books.

    Though I doubt Martin knows how to end it either.
    I thought the first four seasons were complex and interesting. The next two were at least cheesy fun, if riddled with plot holes. The last two were a mess, bad fanfiction. Characters became plot devices, and things established in canon were changed at whim, to serve the needs of the plot.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Sean_F said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    The penultimate season was pretty crap as well.

    The TV series lost its way when it got ahead of the books.

    Though I doubt Martin knows how to end it either.
    I thought the first four seasons were complex and interesting. The next two were at least cheesy fun, if riddled with plot holes. The last two were a mess, bad fanfiction. Characters became plot devices, and things established in canon were changed at whim, to serve the needs of the plot.
    Not really sure when I saw what I saw, or my friends either. Am glad you liked it, what you liked. And like fact we do NOT have to like the same thing to like chatting about what we do and don't like.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,735

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    A bad, or very bad 24 hours seems to be quite common - but also common to have little reaction.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,735
    edited May 2021

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    I don’t really agree - and in some ways a bathetic ending works quite well.
    The problem was more the quality of this season compared to earlier ones, well expressed in this Guardian review (which uncharacteristically, and refreshingly criticises agitprop):
    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/may/02/line-of-duty-review-an-audacious-deranged-reverse-ferreting-finale
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,061
    "Limits on international leisure travel should continue even after 17 May, a cross-party group of MPs has warned.

    The All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on coronavirus has told the government to "discourage all international leisure travel" to protect the UK from COVID-19 variants. The group said that airport arrival halls are a "breeding ground for infection" and the importation of variants could lead to "further lockdowns and inevitably further loss of life".

    Lib Dem MP Layla Moran, who chairs the APPG, said: "It is staggering that the government is even contemplating encouraging overseas holidays when airports are already struggling to keep the virus and new variants at bay. "Urgent measures are needed to better detect fake COVID test certificates, reduce overcrowding in arrival halls and separate those arriving from red and amber list countries. "The country's biosecurity cannot rely on border staff spotting a spelling error.""

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mps-urge-ministers-to-maintain-ban-on-foreign-holidays-after-17-may-amid-variant-fears-12293772
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    A bad, or very bad 24 hours seems to be quite common - but also common to have little reaction.
    My own sainted mother used to tell me, that if medicine tasted / felt / smelled bad, then it MUST be working!

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,735

    Nigelb said:

    Apropos of nothing, I’m just having a moan, after my first jab yesterday, AZ, I’ve felt like crap all day today. Light-headed, fuzzy brained, niggling headache. Been absolutely useless all day. My parents, in their 60s, both had AZ and they were fine apart from a bit of a sore arm so I thought I’d fly through it. But not so. Hopefully I’ll feel better tomorrow.

    A bad, or very bad 24 hours seems to be quite common - but also common to have little reaction.
    My own sainted mother used to tell me, that if medicine tasted / felt / smelled bad, then it MUST be working!

    Onetime chancellor of the exchequer John Major was perhaps echoing his mother, then ?
    If it isn't hurting, it isn't working.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,735
    What do you make of the US Republican version of “fuck business”, @SeaShantyIrish2 ?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/551331-gop-wrestles-with-role-of-culture-wars-in-partys-future
    ...” Starting today, I no longer accept money from any corporate PAC. I urge my GOP colleagues to do the same. For too long, Republicans have allowed the left & their big-business allies to attack our values & ship jobs overseas with no response. No more,” Cruz tweeted on Wednesday.

    That prompted an enthusiastic response from Hawley, who retweeted Cruz the following day.

    “Yes! Corporate America has put Americans last. They ship our jobs to China, mock middle America’s way of life, try to control our speech and run our lives,” Hawley wrote. “It’s time we stood up to them. I won’t take corporate PAC donations & I’ll fight to break up their monopoly power.”

    The bashing of corporations is striking a discordant tone with other Republicans at a time when they’re trying to marshal a unified defense against Biden’s plan to raise the corporate tax rate to 28 percent, from 21 percent, to pay for his infrastructure agenda.

    “It’s repudiating a segment of the American economy and the American electorate that has traditionally been very loyal to the Republicans. It’s an amazing example of ideological shapeshifting to wage war along cultural lines,” said Ross K. Baker, professor of political science at Rutgers University and a former Senate fellow....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,802
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    Who could possibly have expected it of Blair?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,344
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    Who could possibly have expected it of Blair?
    Tony Blair, a two-faced snake. Really? ;)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,047
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I'm not sure about that. According to my new guru Alan Duncan there is no one on the Tory benches more duplicitous than Hancock. He said explicitly you can't believe a word he says. He will do anything for advancement. Tony Blair by contrast is a politician of great skill and distinction. The fact Hancock is prepared to concern himself with glory hunting in the middle of the pandemic rather bears out Duncan's judgement. Blair wouldn't need to bother.
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  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,881
    ydoethur said:

    Ist of all. Lets agree that ending was shite

    Well, that is at least an original beginning even if it was a shite ending.
    Its the reason I never watch series week by week. I have not wasted hours watching a crap series ty all.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,881
    Roger said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I'm not sure about that. According to my new guru Alan Duncan there is no one on the Tory benches more duplicitous than Hancock. He said explicitly you can't believe a word he says. He will do anything for advancement. Tony Blair by contrast is a politician of great skill and distinction. The fact Hancock is prepared to concern himself with glory hunting in the middle of the pandemic rather bears out Duncan's judgement. Blair wouldn't need to bother.
    We all know how infallible your opinion on political matters is.....
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,484
    Fishing said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    I think the American version of House of Cards was even worse.

    Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy on the other hand - great endings.
    For terrible endings Seinfeld is pretty much up,there. Although Larry David redeemed it somewhat with the Seinfeld reunion season of Curb your Enthusiam it was a colossal let down.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065
    Taz said:

    Fishing said:

    TimT said:

    ydoethur said:

    Can we all agree the worst ending ever was the one to Enterprise?

    If this LoD ending was worse than that, it must have been bad.

    I thought GoT was the worst ending (last entire season) ever.
    I think the American version of House of Cards was even worse.

    Breaking Bad and Sons of Anarchy on the other hand - great endings.
    For terrible endings Seinfeld is pretty much up,there. Although Larry David redeemed it somewhat with the Seinfeld reunion season of Curb your Enthusiam it was a colossal let down.
    What about Only Fools and Horses which ended about 16 times?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,695
    Roger said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I'm not sure about that. According to my new guru Alan Duncan there is no one on the Tory benches more duplicitous than Hancock. He said explicitly you can't believe a word he says. He will do anything for advancement. Tony Blair by contrast is a politician of great skill and distinction. The fact Hancock is prepared to concern himself with glory hunting in the middle of the pandemic rather bears out Duncan's judgement. Blair wouldn't need to bother.
    Even by @Charles's account, Hancock briefed Blair on a range of options being considered, and Blair advocated one of them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,065

    Roger said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    I'm not sure about that. According to my new guru Alan Duncan there is no one on the Tory benches more duplicitous than Hancock. He said explicitly you can't believe a word he says. He will do anything for advancement. Tony Blair by contrast is a politician of great skill and distinction. The fact Hancock is prepared to concern himself with glory hunting in the middle of the pandemic rather bears out Duncan's judgement. Blair wouldn't need to bother.
    Even by @Charles's account, Hancock briefed Blair on a range of options being considered, and Blair advocated one of them.
    I trust Hancock had the sense to immediately rule that option out and do something else?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,484

    Cyclefree said:

    I don't know tha

    On the topic of good or bad TV endings, the best has to be the finale of M*A*S*H

    Not seen it. But Blackadder has to be up there, no?
    Yes I'd put that up there too.

    That's probably my second favourite.
    What about the ending of 'It Ain't Half Hot, Mum'? That brought a tear to my eye!
    Yes, an excellent ending. Sgt Major Williams cut a rather pathetic figure stripped of all of his power over the men who couldn’t even be bothered to tell him what they thought of him athough they’d rehearsed it.

    You Rang My Lord had a really good ending as well.

    The ending of Blake’s Seven was a belter.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,484

    dixiedean said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:



    MaxPB said:

    Just done a quick vaccine count calculation - by the end of May we'll reach 81-83% of adults with one dose and 50% of adults with two doses, that's with no increase in vaccine supply. Assuming the MHRA ever get around to approving Novavax that 81-83% becomes more like 87-89% leaving just 7-8% needing first doses (around one week of supply in June). By the time we hit June 21st everyone who wants a vaccine will have had a first dose and by the end of July every single person will have had both doses except a few unlucky people who get AZ in the next two to three weeks.

    Surely those who get AZ in the next few weeks could have their 2nd dose early (though not really early versus the original plan) once there are no more first doses to give?
    There are clinical reasons to delay the second AZ dose to 12 weeks. Someone who gets AZ at the end of May will need to wait until the middle of August for their second dose. However, it does seem like the MHRA are about to remove that option by limiting AZ for under 40s as well, I assume we will get Novavax approved around the same time which only needs a minimum 3 week gap for 96% efficacy.
    Other countries are not using a 12 week gap for AZ. I entirely support the UK's decision to do so, but I think the primary driver was the laudible desire to get as many 1st doses given as quickly as possible*.

    (*Tony Blair's idea, I believe https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tony-blair-suggests-using-up-uk-vaccine-stock-on-first-doses-and-prioritising-spreading-students-12171116)
    It absolutely *wasn’t* Tony Blair’s idea

    Hancock briefed him on it as an idea his department had come up with and he was considering. He asked Blair’s opinion.

    Blair then ran and brief the media about his wonderful idea.

    Hancock was so pissed off that he ceased all briefing of Blair

    It was extraordinary poor behaviour by a former PM
    Extraordinarily naive behaviour to confide in Blair and expect him not to use it to his advantage.
    Why was Blair involved to begin with? I know Michael Gove refers to him as 'The Master'. Is he now some kind of guru for the whole government?
    Why not seek his advice. He held power for a long time. In his day he used to seek Mrs Thatchers views, as did Brown after him.

    Makes sense.
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