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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    I've had enough of this. I'm complaining to BBC and suggest that others join me in doing so.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Be fair, as bad as our media can be, there is nobody on British TV as absolutely batshit crazy as Tucker Carlson.

    I'd rather listen to Kay Burley than Tucker Carlson and that says a lot.
    I not so sure about that
    If you're not certain then you haven't listened much to Tucker Carlson. The man is a certifiable lunatic. He makes Piers Corbyn and Toby Young look sane, and he's the face of Fox News.

    He's recently had such hits as saying that Joe and Jill Biden's 44 year marriage is a slick sham cooked up by PR gurus: https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1361846831374884865?s=19

    That white Americans are being "replaced" by the Democrats: https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1380309798957285376?s=19

    And goodness knows what was going through his head with this reaction to the George Floyd murder verdict: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1384688301962141697?s=19

    That's barely scratching the surface. The guy is certifiable. We have nothing like him in this country and he headlines a major show on a major network there.
    Forget about the politics stuff where it's all at least arguable, and there is by necessity a spectrum of views which will always have some outliers at both ends.

    The US is a veritable font of insane conspiracy theories about stuff that is certifiably 100% provably false. Flat Earthers, JFK truthers, Sandy Hook truthers, 9/11 truthers, Birthers, anti-vaxxers, Area 51 believers etc. The guy on here who thinks that NASA is covering up aliens is actually referencing one of the saner, harder-to-disprove "theories" out there. I am as certain as I can be that there is nothing remotely comparable in the UK, and to the extent that we have conspiracy theorists to shout down every now and then, most of it is imported from the US - and it is getting worse precisely because of recent overexposure to social media that makes it easy for American cranks to amplify the message to global audience.

    Take that nonsense about the DNC and the paedophile ring in pizza restaurants, for example. We had an almost directly comparable case in the UK following the accusations from Carl Beech ("Nick") and Operation Midland. Despite quite intensive support from certain senior Opposition MPs, it gained very little traction and the story has basically now disappeared. There is a colossal difference, for whatever reason, in the way the two countries handle stuff like this.
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    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Be fair, as bad as our media can be, there is nobody on British TV as absolutely batshit crazy as Tucker Carlson.

    I'd rather listen to Kay Burley than Tucker Carlson and that says a lot.
    I not so sure about that
    If you're not certain then you haven't listened much to Tucker Carlson. The man is a certifiable lunatic. He makes Piers Corbyn and Toby Young look sane, and he's the face of Fox News.

    He's recently had such hits as saying that Joe and Jill Biden's 44 year marriage is a slick sham cooked up by PR gurus: https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1361846831374884865?s=19

    That white Americans are being "replaced" by the Democrats: https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1380309798957285376?s=19

    And goodness knows what was going through his head with this reaction to the George Floyd murder verdict: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1384688301962141697?s=19

    That's barely scratching the surface. The guy is certifiable. We have nothing like him in this country and he headlines a major show on a major network there.
    To be honest I have no interest in US politics other than it is good Trump has gone
    You think Trumpsky is gone? You are one hell of an optimist, bro!

    Especially since he's still the center of gravity for the Republican Party, their kingmaker in a multitude of gubernatorial & congressional nominations this year and esp. next. AND a potential candidate for POTUS in 2024.

    No defeated ex-President in US history has ever had the political clout now possessed by Donald Trumpsky. Or any NON-defeated ex-President either.
    Well as I said I have no interest in US politics but should he resurrect himself then I will take note
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,173

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    Must be fearing when the bad news ends, their jobs are at risk. "Plane lands safely" does not make a news show.

    I would be curious to know what other causes of death are now higher than Covid?
    Indeed. How many people on average die of something each day in the UK?
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311
    Roger said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    It's very unattractive. That's why I loathed the attitude of many (on here in particular) at the dismissal of Trump. OK he is a lunatic but millions upon millions of Americans voted for him and to dismiss him, and them, was a rather nasty but sadly all too typical trait of the Brits.
    The eat shit two million flies can't be wrong theory......

    It's ridiculous. Half of Americans thought he was batshit crazy. It doesn't make them arrogant just educated.
    It's natshit crazy to ignore millions of votes dismissing their concerns as uneducated. That is exactly how we ended up with Brexit. The city-rati flitting between city breaks in Europe and their appreciating property portfolio cleaned and decorated by eastern Europeans, suppressing wages for the unskilled service sector. A lot of America is broken - what they don't need is the woke police from LA or New York, they want good jobs, homes, lives and prospects where they live. It doesn't sound crazy to me, and I think it is worthwhile trying to understand people's motivations rather than dismissing them.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,678

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    So you'll be voting for the Greens next month? Or will it be Cornish National Socialists?
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    @rcs1000 BTW, tried the Impossible 'meat' in pasta last night. I thought it was perfectly ok, and would be willing to do it, say, once a week in place of meat. My wife, though, said the pasta with the tomato sauces sans Impossible was way better. If she could not have meat, she'd rather not have Impossible. So saying, she picked all the Impossible out of her bowl.

    Wow. She really didn't like it :smile:

    Try with Beyond and see if you like it more.
    LOLs. I think I'd better leave it at least 6 months and then do a blind test on her. Otherwise it'll be the spare bedroom ... :dizzy:
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    You'd think forces could screen for these sort of people before they are hired.

    US police officers are seen mocking a 73-year-old woman with dementia as they watch video of her shoulder going "pop" during her forcible arrest, according to footage released by her lawyer.

    Video from inside Ms Garner's nearby holding cell shows the frail-looking grandmother slumped handcuffed to a bench while the officers joke about the incident, says her lawyer.

    "Ready for the pop? Hear the pop?" one of the officers says at one point, referring to Ms Garner's shoulder.

    As they continue to watch the footage, the same officer says: "I love it."


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56897186

    The US has a police problem.

    It's the same problem that we have (bear me out) with our Muslim minority in the UK.

    Police feel that they are under attack from liberals. Loyalty to the group (policemen) overwhelms their critical thinking and they therefore end up justifying (and even hiding) offences that should shock them.

    It's a really hard problem to solve. But solve it America must.
    Careful - the police aren't a protected group (under the Equality act!)
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    edited April 2021

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    The difference is that our bat-shit crazies don't have automatic weapons. A pretty damned big difference.
    Do the swiss have no crazy people I wonder? They have probably the most liberal gun laws in the world. I guess the difference is they train people how to use them as responsible citizens.
    Swiss gun ownership is far lower than American, and is falling fast. And Switzerland does have rather a large number of gun deaths by European standards - 13x ours by population for example, although only a fifth of the US total.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,064
    Carnyx said:

    DeClare said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    More Britons now want Prince Charles to be the next King than William, 37% favour Charles and 34% favour William.

    The Queen now at +76%, William at +68%, Kate at +67%, Charles at +25%, Harry at -6% and Meghan at -32%.

    No D of E this time for obvious sad reasons
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1387063461188980748?s=20

    Did they ask about the Princess Royal as next sovereign?

    Also - that is a massive anti-monarchy majority as the UK monarchy by definition involves male primogeniture.

    Just Primogeniture.

    The Agnatic Cognatic element was abolished a few years ago.
    Oh, thanks. But obviously not completely yet.
    William's daughter Charlotte is higher in the line of succession than her younger brother Louis, so it has already started to kick in,
    I was thinking of the Princess Royal. In any other walk of life that would be against the law, to exclude her from the line of succession.
    She's ahead of Andy now isn't she?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    Must be fearing when the bad news ends, their jobs are at risk. "Plane lands safely" does not make a news show.

    I would be curious to know what other causes of death are now higher than Covid?
    Indeed. How many people on average die of something each day in the UK?
    Q) How many people die in the UK?

    A) All of them.
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    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    You'd think forces could screen for these sort of people before they are hired.

    US police officers are seen mocking a 73-year-old woman with dementia as they watch video of her shoulder going "pop" during her forcible arrest, according to footage released by her lawyer.

    Video from inside Ms Garner's nearby holding cell shows the frail-looking grandmother slumped handcuffed to a bench while the officers joke about the incident, says her lawyer.

    "Ready for the pop? Hear the pop?" one of the officers says at one point, referring to Ms Garner's shoulder.

    As they continue to watch the footage, the same officer says: "I love it."


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56897186

    The US has a police problem.

    It's the same problem that we have (bear me out) with our Muslim minority in the UK.

    Police feel that they are under attack from liberals. Loyalty to the group (policemen) overwhelms their critical thinking and they therefore end up justifying (and even hiding) offences that should shock them.

    It's a really hard problem to solve. But solve it America must.
    That is true but there is also a massive attitude problem from certain demographics that results in minor confrontations escalating.
    And dont point a gun or knife at a police officer.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,047
    "Ben Page, Ipsos MORI
    @benatipsosmori

    Despite their internal battles, ratings of government handling of #coronavirus have been trending upwards. 85% of Lab voters and 97% Tory voters say doing good job on #vaccines specifically #covid"

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1386971445683687426
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,120

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    Andy_JS said:

    "Ben Page, Ipsos MORI
    @benatipsosmori

    Despite their internal battles, ratings of government handling of #coronavirus have been trending upwards. 85% of Lab voters and 97% Tory voters say doing good job on #vaccines specifically #covid"

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1386971445683687426

    There is an incredible liberating feeling about getting the jab.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,678

    Carnyx said:

    DeClare said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    More Britons now want Prince Charles to be the next King than William, 37% favour Charles and 34% favour William.

    The Queen now at +76%, William at +68%, Kate at +67%, Charles at +25%, Harry at -6% and Meghan at -32%.

    No D of E this time for obvious sad reasons
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1387063461188980748?s=20

    Did they ask about the Princess Royal as next sovereign?

    Also - that is a massive anti-monarchy majority as the UK monarchy by definition involves male primogeniture.

    Just Primogeniture.

    The Agnatic Cognatic element was abolished a few years ago.
    Oh, thanks. But obviously not completely yet.
    William's daughter Charlotte is higher in the line of succession than her younger brother Louis, so it has already started to kick in,
    I was thinking of the Princess Royal. In any other walk of life that would be against the law, to exclude her from the line of succession.
    She's ahead of Andy now isn't she?
    Believe answer is no, as gender-neutral change was NOT retroactive. So think she's behind all her brothers in line of succession.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    Carnyx said:

    DeClare said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    More Britons now want Prince Charles to be the next King than William, 37% favour Charles and 34% favour William.

    The Queen now at +76%, William at +68%, Kate at +67%, Charles at +25%, Harry at -6% and Meghan at -32%.

    No D of E this time for obvious sad reasons
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1387063461188980748?s=20

    Did they ask about the Princess Royal as next sovereign?

    Also - that is a massive anti-monarchy majority as the UK monarchy by definition involves male primogeniture.

    Just Primogeniture.

    The Agnatic Cognatic element was abolished a few years ago.
    Oh, thanks. But obviously not completely yet.
    William's daughter Charlotte is higher in the line of succession than her younger brother Louis, so it has already started to kick in,
    I was thinking of the Princess Royal. In any other walk of life that would be against the law, to exclude her from the line of succession.
    She's ahead of Andy now isn't she?
    Believe answer is no, as gender-neutral change was NOT retroactive. So think she's behind all her brothers in line of succession.
    That’s my understanding too, fwiw.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    ydoethur said:


    ...

    Tucker Carlson is an arse, and so is Topping, of course. But even arses can sometimes have a point.

    It does make sitting uncomfortable, though.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472
    Endillion said:

    ydoethur said:


    ...

    Tucker Carlson is an arse, and so is Topping, of course. But even arses can sometimes have a point.

    It does make sitting uncomfortable, though.
    You are Lance Corporal Jones and I claim my £5.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Endillion said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Be fair, as bad as our media can be, there is nobody on British TV as absolutely batshit crazy as Tucker Carlson.

    I'd rather listen to Kay Burley than Tucker Carlson and that says a lot.
    I not so sure about that
    If you're not certain then you haven't listened much to Tucker Carlson. The man is a certifiable lunatic. He makes Piers Corbyn and Toby Young look sane, and he's the face of Fox News.

    He's recently had such hits as saying that Joe and Jill Biden's 44 year marriage is a slick sham cooked up by PR gurus: https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1361846831374884865?s=19

    That white Americans are being "replaced" by the Democrats: https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1380309798957285376?s=19

    And goodness knows what was going through his head with this reaction to the George Floyd murder verdict: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1384688301962141697?s=19

    That's barely scratching the surface. The guy is certifiable. We have nothing like him in this country and he headlines a major show on a major network there.
    Forget about the politics stuff where it's all at least arguable, and there is by necessity a spectrum of views which will always have some outliers at both ends.

    The US is a veritable font of insane conspiracy theories about stuff that is certifiably 100% provably false. Flat Earthers, JFK truthers, Sandy Hook truthers, 9/11 truthers, Birthers, anti-vaxxers, Area 51 believers etc. The guy on here who thinks that NASA is covering up aliens is actually referencing one of the saner, harder-to-disprove "theories" out there. I am as certain as I can be that there is nothing remotely comparable in the UK, and to the extent that we have conspiracy theorists to shout down every now and then, most of it is imported from the US - and it is getting worse precisely because of recent overexposure to social media that makes it easy for American cranks to amplify the message to global audience.

    Take that nonsense about the DNC and the paedophile ring in pizza restaurants, for example. We had an almost directly comparable case in the UK following the accusations from Carl Beech ("Nick") and Operation Midland. Despite quite intensive support from certain senior Opposition MPs, it gained very little traction and the story has basically now disappeared. There is a colossal difference, for whatever reason, in the way the two countries handle stuff like this.
    I suspect they must consume a lot of moonshine.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
    There was a long list of debrief instructions, no caffeine, no painkillers (unless in pain), increase your water intake by extra 2l...it went on.

    Checking in as well, loads really detailed questions that people I know who had Pfizer or AZN never got asked. And if you answered with the "wrong" answer, out came more paperwork. Guy infront of me had a whole ring binder of stuff written about him.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,364
    edited April 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    "Ben Page, Ipsos MORI
    @benatipsosmori

    Despite their internal battles, ratings of government handling of #coronavirus have been trending upwards. 85% of Lab voters and 97% Tory voters say doing good job on #vaccines specifically #covid"

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1386971445683687426

    Indeed, and I am within the 85% (vaccine provision only, by the way) but I am still not going to vote for the barstewards.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,784
    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    @rcs1000 BTW, tried the Impossible 'meat' in pasta last night. I thought it was perfectly ok, and would be willing to do it, say, once a week in place of meat. My wife, though, said the pasta with the tomato sauces sans Impossible was way better. If she could not have meat, she'd rather not have Impossible. So saying, she picked all the Impossible out of her bowl.

    Wow. She really didn't like it :smile:

    Try with Beyond and see if you like it more.
    LOLs. I think I'd better leave it at least 6 months and then do a blind test on her. Otherwise it'll be the spare bedroom ... :dizzy:
    I find Quorn OK if I have made a decent source, or just veggies.

    Chopped up sweet potato is good in a topping, or squash, or sometimes beetroot.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,325

    Carnyx said:

    DeClare said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    More Britons now want Prince Charles to be the next King than William, 37% favour Charles and 34% favour William.

    The Queen now at +76%, William at +68%, Kate at +67%, Charles at +25%, Harry at -6% and Meghan at -32%.

    No D of E this time for obvious sad reasons
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1387063461188980748?s=20

    Did they ask about the Princess Royal as next sovereign?

    Also - that is a massive anti-monarchy majority as the UK monarchy by definition involves male primogeniture.

    Just Primogeniture.

    The Agnatic Cognatic element was abolished a few years ago.
    Oh, thanks. But obviously not completely yet.
    William's daughter Charlotte is higher in the line of succession than her younger brother Louis, so it has already started to kick in,
    I was thinking of the Princess Royal. In any other walk of life that would be against the law, to exclude her from the line of succession.
    She's ahead of Andy now isn't she?
    James Hewitt's probably ahead of Andrew now...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,171

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ben Page, Ipsos MORI
    @benatipsosmori

    Despite their internal battles, ratings of government handling of #coronavirus have been trending upwards. 85% of Lab voters and 97% Tory voters say doing good job on #vaccines specifically #covid"

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/1386971445683687426

    There is an incredible liberating feeling about getting the jab.
    Lockdown goes by... so slowly...
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
    There was a long list of debrief instructions, no caffeine, no painkillers (unless in pain), increase your water intake by extra 2l...it went on.

    Checking in as well, loads really detailed questions that people I know who had Pfizer or AZN never got asked. And if you answered with the "wrong" answer, out came more paperwork. Guy infront of me had a whole ring binder of stuff written about him.
    Didn't realise Moderna was being used yet.

    Given coffee and paracetamol were how I was planning on getting through the side effects of the vaccine, hope I get another one...
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    pingping Posts: 3,733
    edited April 2021
    Just bet on Chelsea to win the CL @ 5.8

    Anyone else taking a view on the CL betting markets?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,047
    This figure is dropping by about a thousand every day.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    "18,506 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID in the UK"
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
    There was a long list of debrief instructions, no caffeine, no painkillers (unless in pain), increase your water intake by extra 2l...it went on.

    Checking in as well, loads really detailed questions that people I know who had Pfizer or AZN never got asked. And if you answered with the "wrong" answer, out came more paperwork. Guy infront of me had a whole ring binder of stuff written about him.
    No caffeine for a day?

    Think I'd rather take my chances with Covid19.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    You'd think forces could screen for these sort of people before they are hired.

    US police officers are seen mocking a 73-year-old woman with dementia as they watch video of her shoulder going "pop" during her forcible arrest, according to footage released by her lawyer.

    Video from inside Ms Garner's nearby holding cell shows the frail-looking grandmother slumped handcuffed to a bench while the officers joke about the incident, says her lawyer.

    "Ready for the pop? Hear the pop?" one of the officers says at one point, referring to Ms Garner's shoulder.

    As they continue to watch the footage, the same officer says: "I love it."


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56897186

    The US has a police problem.

    It's the same problem that we have (bear me out) with our Muslim minority in the UK.

    Police feel that they are under attack from liberals. Loyalty to the group (policemen) overwhelms their critical thinking and they therefore end up justifying (and even hiding) offences that should shock them.

    It's a really hard problem to solve. But solve it America must.
    That is true but there is also a massive attitude problem from certain demographics that results in minor confrontations escalating.
    And dont point a gun or knife at a police officer.
    You don't think the long history of police on black (and now latino) interactions is a prior with regards to those attitudes and reactions?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,364

    It's not Tony Blair it is Tony Hair.

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1387077917444825094

    He looks like a rock star.

    He looks like David Icke!

    Apologies to the former Coventry City and Hereford United keeper.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    The media classes are all a bunch of fools in the extreme zero COVID camp while simultaneously bitching about not being able to go on overseas trips. Whatever the bad news is, they will report it, if it's good news they'll minimise it or twist it like this. As I've said time and again, 24h news channels need to be regulated out of existence.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    ping said:

    Just bet on Chelsea to win the CL @ 5.8

    Anyone else taking a view on the CL betting markets?

    One thing I will say is Man City are far too short. Their peak form was in Jan/Feb and PSG reached last year’s final as did Poch a couple of years back. City have never done so, and Pep hasn’t in what? Nearly a decade?

    Chelsea Madrid is 50/50 but you’d think it’ll be low on goals. If Chelsea had a top drawer striker they’d be favourites, which they should add for next season.

    I would not be surprised if Chelsea made the final and City did not, but hopefully both English Super 6 sides make it through.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
    There was a long list of debrief instructions, no caffeine, no painkillers (unless in pain), increase your water intake by extra 2l...it went on.

    Checking in as well, loads really detailed questions that people I know who had Pfizer or AZN never got asked. And if you answered with the "wrong" answer, out came more paperwork. Guy infront of me had a whole ring binder of stuff written about him.
    Didn't realise Moderna was being used yet.

    Given coffee and paracetamol were how I was planning on getting through the side effects of the vaccine, hope I get another one...
    I knew it had been rolled out on a limited basis, but I presumed it was now being earmarked for the 20 year olds, who won't be given AZN.

    I was expecting to be given AZN. Only downside is my 2nd dose is currently booked for a different centre 2hrs drive away from my home, but I am not going to grumble.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Endillion said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Be fair, as bad as our media can be, there is nobody on British TV as absolutely batshit crazy as Tucker Carlson.

    I'd rather listen to Kay Burley than Tucker Carlson and that says a lot.
    I not so sure about that
    If you're not certain then you haven't listened much to Tucker Carlson. The man is a certifiable lunatic. He makes Piers Corbyn and Toby Young look sane, and he's the face of Fox News.

    He's recently had such hits as saying that Joe and Jill Biden's 44 year marriage is a slick sham cooked up by PR gurus: https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1361846831374884865?s=19

    That white Americans are being "replaced" by the Democrats: https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1380309798957285376?s=19

    And goodness knows what was going through his head with this reaction to the George Floyd murder verdict: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1384688301962141697?s=19

    That's barely scratching the surface. The guy is certifiable. We have nothing like him in this country and he headlines a major show on a major network there.
    The guy on here who thinks that NASA is covering up aliens is actually referencing one of the saner, harder-to-disprove "theories" out there.
    I never said anything about a cover up or nasa. And anyway, it’s of no interest to anyone what I think or what you think or what Philip thinks. What’s interesting is what a number of America’s most senior policy makers apparently think, and how dramatically the US media narrative has shifted in a mere 12 months. But pointing this out seems to upset a few of you.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634
    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    About a week here, though the average gap for Pfizer is about 9 weeks and AZ 12 weeks. Moderna may end up at 9 weeks as well depending on supply.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,171
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/27/sputnik-vaccine-brazil-russia-coronavirus/

    Brazilian health regulators have issued a scathing rebuke of Russia’s Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine, rejecting the shot’s approval in a decision late Monday that could impact its use elsewhere in the world.

    The ruling from Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency, or Anvisa, cited a range of concerns with the vaccine’s development and production, including what it said was a lack of quality control and efficacy data, as well as little if any information on the shot’s adverse effects.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,526

    TOPPING said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    There is a balance between reward (a child not infecting another person [another 4ft 2in person]) and risk (the psychological damage done to a child by wearing a mask).
    My experience of children is they love wearing masks.
    Way too much information.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245
    Andy_JS said:

    This figure is dropping by about a thousand every day.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    "18,506 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID in the UK"

    Do we know how many of the UK cases are now being sequenced? I know at one point when cases were very high it was about 10%. Presumably it would be relatively trivial to sequence them all right now?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/27/sputnik-vaccine-brazil-russia-coronavirus/

    Brazilian health regulators have issued a scathing rebuke of Russia’s Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine, rejecting the shot’s approval in a decision late Monday that could impact its use elsewhere in the world.

    The ruling from Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency, or Anvisa, cited a range of concerns with the vaccine’s development and production, including what it said was a lack of quality control and efficacy data, as well as little if any information on the shot’s adverse effects.

    That's very unfortunate. I thought it was being used elsewhere and considered decent?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    About a week here, though the average gap for Pfizer is about 9 weeks and AZ 12 weeks. Moderna may end up at 9 weeks as well depending on supply.
    Interestingly the lady who jabbed me said they have been using it on an irregular basis since Easter at the centre I went to. I presume trialling it and probably why the 100 questions beforehand.

    I believe my 2nd dose is booked for.9-10 weeks from now.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,171
    kle4 said:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/27/sputnik-vaccine-brazil-russia-coronavirus/

    Brazilian health regulators have issued a scathing rebuke of Russia’s Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine, rejecting the shot’s approval in a decision late Monday that could impact its use elsewhere in the world.

    The ruling from Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency, or Anvisa, cited a range of concerns with the vaccine’s development and production, including what it said was a lack of quality control and efficacy data, as well as little if any information on the shot’s adverse effects.

    That's very unfortunate. I thought it was being used elsewhere and considered decent?
    I'm sure it's a good vaccine on paper, but the manufacturing and quality control seems to be unreliable. Slovakia rejected theirs after it was delivered because it didn't match the samples that had been tested.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
    There was a long list of debrief instructions, no caffeine, no painkillers (unless in pain), increase your water intake by extra 2l...it went on.

    Checking in as well, loads really detailed questions that people I know who had Pfizer or AZN never got asked. And if you answered with the "wrong" answer, out came more paperwork. Guy infront of me had a whole ring binder of stuff written about him.
    Didn't realise Moderna was being used yet.

    Given coffee and paracetamol were how I was planning on getting through the side effects of the vaccine, hope I get another one...
    I knew it had been rolled out on a limited basis, but I presumed it was now being earmarked for the 20 year olds, who won't be given AZN.

    I was expecting to be given AZN. Only downside is my 2nd dose is currently booked for a different centre 2hrs drive away from my home, but I am not going to grumble.
    That’s a bit weird. Is there any particular reason for that?

    They shouldn’t really be making it difficult for people to get the vaccine, especially not a second dose.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/04/27/sputnik-vaccine-brazil-russia-coronavirus/

    Brazilian health regulators have issued a scathing rebuke of Russia’s Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine, rejecting the shot’s approval in a decision late Monday that could impact its use elsewhere in the world.

    The ruling from Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency, or Anvisa, cited a range of concerns with the vaccine’s development and production, including what it said was a lack of quality control and efficacy data, as well as little if any information on the shot’s adverse effects.

    Yes, this seems quite comming now. Other countries have also said what they receive from Russia is nothing like what has been advertised. There is a big gap in world supply that Biden would do well to fill with US spare supply.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,463
    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    Millions of Americans are skipping the second dose of their Covid vaccines. State officials are rushing to keep that number from growing even more.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,526
    London (CNN Business) UK media outlets from across the political spectrum are engaged in an unusually direct confrontation with Prime Minister Boris Johnson over incendiary comments he allegedly made about the coronavirus pandemic.

    The right-leaning tabloid The Daily Mail was first to report that the prime minister said last October that he would rather see "bodies pile high in their thousands" than put the country into another lockdown.

    Johnson flatly denied the story on Monday, with news agencies quoting him dismissing it as "total rubbish." But several more outlets — including The Guardian newspaper, which leans to the left, and broadcaster ITV — have confirmed versions of the story, citing anonymous sources. Even the typically cautious BBC has attributed the phrase to Johnson, quoting sources familiar with the comments. CNN has not verified the reported remark.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,454
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Oh, I agree completely.

    I just find it so astonishing that something like this has become so politicised. It's a frickin' mask. It prevents you from passing - if you have it - Covid to someone else. If you or your kids wear a mask (as people with even mild colds will do in Japan), it's not child abuse, it's not offensive, it's a common courtesy.
    It could be psychologically damaging to a child. How much? Who knows. But it is saying you are a threat to other people and must take action to prevent this.
    Have you ever been to Tokyo? If you're on the subway, there will often be gaggles of seven or eight year old kids travelling by themselves - and guess what - some of them will be wearing masks. Because they've been taught from an early age that if you have a cold or cough that it's impolite to spread it to other people.

    Are they all being abused?
    I've been to Tokyo many times. It is part of the culture as a courtesy to other people which is great (my favourite such courtesy is the lift attendants in the department stores who, as you walk into the lift, say "please thank you I'm sorry").

    But this is different. It is alien to us and could have a damaging effect on a child if misused as in as you say wearing one outside in the fresh air.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    edited April 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Well i got the surprise call for the old jabbie jab....now fully micro chipped up with Bill Gates backed Moderna...beep beep bop beep.

    I got Moderna.

    Prepare for an unpleasant 24 hours after jab number two. But look on the bright side - your protection kicks in quite a bit quicker than those people who get AZ.
    The debrief instructions were a little odd e.g. no caffeine for 24hrs.

    Then they said likely to have a banging headache and I thought I definitely will if I can't have my triple espresso....
    We didn't get any instructions like that. Presumably caffeine has a (tiny) impact on the likelihood of anaphylaxis shock.

    My wife got quite a bit of red swelling around the injection site for both the first and second shot.
    There was a long list of debrief instructions, no caffeine, no painkillers (unless in pain), increase your water intake by extra 2l...it went on.

    Checking in as well, loads really detailed questions that people I know who had Pfizer or AZN never got asked. And if you answered with the "wrong" answer, out came more paperwork. Guy infront of me had a whole ring binder of stuff written about him.
    Didn't realise Moderna was being used yet.

    Given coffee and paracetamol were how I was planning on getting through the side effects of the vaccine, hope I get another one...
    I knew it had been rolled out on a limited basis, but I presumed it was now being earmarked for the 20 year olds, who won't be given AZN.

    I was expecting to be given AZN. Only downside is my 2nd dose is currently booked for a different centre 2hrs drive away from my home, but I am not going to grumble.
    That’s a bit weird. Is there any particular reason for that?

    They shouldn’t really be making it difficult for people to get the vaccine, especially not a second dose.
    I presume anticipated future supply. I was given I think 5 options for 2nd dose, all 90mins minimum drive away. I picked one a bit further away as I have friends near there and thought good opportunity to catch up afterwards.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,245

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    Millions of Americans are skipping the second dose of their Covid vaccines. State officials are rushing to keep that number from growing even more.

    Thats odd. In the UK isn’t the number something like 99% uptake of second doses?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,526
    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472
    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,454
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I think masks are pretty ineffective outside, and I certainly wouldn't impose any kind of outdoor mask mandate.

    But that doesn't make people who wear them, or who ask their children to wear them, in some way offensive, or aggressors, or child abusers.

    Making teenage children wear masks for several hours at a stretch is rather different from asking them to wear it for short periods on public transport.

    The general suspicion is it has nothing to do with health reasons - after all, if you’re sitting in the same room as someone with Covid for hours on end, they’re going to be no use - and were a device to ensure that people thought schools were safe.

    Which, particularly given the myriad of other problems they cause - difficulties communicating, discomfort, the alarming deterioration in behaviour teachers are observing and having to deal with - simply isn’t a good enough reason for them.

    It is instructive that there is so far no sign of a report on mask wearing and its impact on Scottish schools, even though they should have three months’ worth of data to work with.

    It is also instructive to realise they cannot be made mandatory - for disability discrimination reasons - and so are being imposed through guidelines that make it clear they are officially optional but in practice almost impossible to avoid, leaving the schools not the DfE to carry the can for any lawsuits.

    Finally, to give you some idea of how ridiculous and stupid the whole thing is, the original plan was to have children wear them at all times. Until somebody pointed out that meant they would be unable to eat lunch. So they are permitted to take them off to eat indoors. Thereby rendering the whole exercise more useless than an administrator’s brain cell.

    My children all hate them. And I don’t blame them. They are a stupid idea conjured up for stupid reasons by stupid people. And those stupid people are utterly despicable.

    Tucker Carlson is an arse, and so is Topping, of course. But even arses can sometimes have a point.
    The good news for you of course is that as you are about to stop being a teacher you will leave all that behind you.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,382
    MaxPB said:

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    The media classes are all a bunch of fools in the extreme zero COVID camp while simultaneously bitching about not being able to go on overseas trips. Whatever the bad news is, they will report it, if it's good news they'll minimise it or twist it like this. As I've said time and again, 24h news channels need to be regulated out of existence.
    BBC to fearful of incorrect reporting, even though it does.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,736
    @Anabobazina did you hear the poor BBC stats reporting on the Radio or TV? Which programme was it?

    Thanks
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,171
    If we pick up the pace next week we should overtake the US again.

    image
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,806
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Oh, I agree completely.

    I just find it so astonishing that something like this has become so politicised. It's a frickin' mask. It prevents you from passing - if you have it - Covid to someone else. If you or your kids wear a mask (as people with even mild colds will do in Japan), it's not child abuse, it's not offensive, it's a common courtesy.
    It could be psychologically damaging to a child. How much? Who knows. But it is saying you are a threat to other people and must take action to prevent this.
    Have you ever been to Tokyo? If you're on the subway, there will often be gaggles of seven or eight year old kids travelling by themselves - and guess what - some of them will be wearing masks. Because they've been taught from an early age that if you have a cold or cough that it's impolite to spread it to other people.

    Are they all being abused?
    I've been to Tokyo many times. It is part of the culture as a courtesy to other people which is great (my favourite such courtesy is the lift attendants in the department stores who, as you walk into the lift, say "please thank you I'm sorry").

    But this is different. It is alien to us and could have a damaging effect on a child if misused as in as you say wearing one outside in the fresh air.
    We can of course change our view and see this as a common courtesy too.

    The idea that something is 'alien to us' and thus could never be is clearly a bit thin. I think of 'us' as rather flexible anyway, and happy to adopt the most foreign of notions if it suits.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,234
    For @OldKingCole (fpt) on Calabrian Mafia money in London, you might be interested in this from last year -https://barry-walsh.co.uk/spiders-webs/.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    If we pick up the pace next week we should overtake the US again.

    image

    Any more possible pinch points in vaccine supply?

    I hope not. I don’t know how others felt but getting this close seems to make me more and more anxious and nervous about all the things that could go wrong.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,454
    edited April 2021
    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Oh, I agree completely.

    I just find it so astonishing that something like this has become so politicised. It's a frickin' mask. It prevents you from passing - if you have it - Covid to someone else. If you or your kids wear a mask (as people with even mild colds will do in Japan), it's not child abuse, it's not offensive, it's a common courtesy.
    It could be psychologically damaging to a child. How much? Who knows. But it is saying you are a threat to other people and must take action to prevent this.
    Have you ever been to Tokyo? If you're on the subway, there will often be gaggles of seven or eight year old kids travelling by themselves - and guess what - some of them will be wearing masks. Because they've been taught from an early age that if you have a cold or cough that it's impolite to spread it to other people.

    Are they all being abused?
    I've been to Tokyo many times. It is part of the culture as a courtesy to other people which is great (my favourite such courtesy is the lift attendants in the department stores who, as you walk into the lift, say "please thank you I'm sorry").

    But this is different. It is alien to us and could have a damaging effect on a child if misused as in as you say wearing one outside in the fresh air.
    We can of course change our view and see this as a common courtesy too.

    The idea that something is 'alien to us' and thus could never be is clearly a bit thin. I think of 'us' as rather flexible anyway, and happy to adopt the most foreign of notions if it suits.
    Er you do remember what happened here in 2016 don't you?

    Oh and I think that ship has sailed. You can't terrify people for over a year and then say oh it's just being polite.
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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    moonshine said:

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    Millions of Americans are skipping the second dose of their Covid vaccines. State officials are rushing to keep that number from growing even more.

    Thats odd. In the UK isn’t the number something like 99% uptake of second doses?
    We are British. We see things like this as either our duty or in our own interest. Americans are smart aleck or smart arses who think there is a short cut around anything. If there is a rule they think it shouldn't apply to them.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,806
    TOPPING said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Oh, I agree completely.

    I just find it so astonishing that something like this has become so politicised. It's a frickin' mask. It prevents you from passing - if you have it - Covid to someone else. If you or your kids wear a mask (as people with even mild colds will do in Japan), it's not child abuse, it's not offensive, it's a common courtesy.
    It could be psychologically damaging to a child. How much? Who knows. But it is saying you are a threat to other people and must take action to prevent this.
    Have you ever been to Tokyo? If you're on the subway, there will often be gaggles of seven or eight year old kids travelling by themselves - and guess what - some of them will be wearing masks. Because they've been taught from an early age that if you have a cold or cough that it's impolite to spread it to other people.

    Are they all being abused?
    I've been to Tokyo many times. It is part of the culture as a courtesy to other people which is great (my favourite such courtesy is the lift attendants in the department stores who, as you walk into the lift, say "please thank you I'm sorry").

    But this is different. It is alien to us and could have a damaging effect on a child if misused as in as you say wearing one outside in the fresh air.
    We can of course change our view and see this as a common courtesy too.

    The idea that something is 'alien to us' and thus could never be is clearly a bit thin. I think of 'us' as rather flexible anyway, and happy to adopt the most foreign of notions if it suits.
    Er you do remember what happened here in 2016 don't you?
    An entirely different kettle of fish. (They're the things we used to sell)

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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,899
    Evening all :)

    The problems with masks isn't or aren't the masks but the legislation mandating their use which is not only unenforceable but isn't even being enforced.

    The journey from a good law to a bad law is often enforcement - the notion of wearing masks on public transport isn't that bad but it's flouted and increasingly so and for all the visual and verbal exhortations on the tube network, the fact is a growing number aren't bothering and, if they aren't bothering, why should anyone else as the prospect of being caught, as with fare evasion, seems to be about zero.

    As others have said, the point of masks is to try to reduce transmission of a virus and that, combined with a more thorough cleaning regimen in public places and some improvements in personal health awareness, could well be a positive outcome from all this at least in the short term.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,171
    ydoethur said:

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    Must be fearing when the bad news ends, their jobs are at risk. "Plane lands safely" does not make a news show.

    I would be curious to know what other causes of death are now higher than Covid?
    Indeed. How many people on average die of something each day in the UK?
    Q) How many people die in the UK?

    A) All of them.
    That's not true. Cilla Black died in Spain.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,899

    MaxPB said:

    One for the conspiracy theorists: BBC News has just prefaced the 17 deaths by solemnly warning the audience that “these numbers are often lower on a Monday”.

    That’s the most misleading framing ever. In fact, the reported deaths when reported on a Tuesday (which notionally relate to Monday) are usually the highest of any day of the week.

    Are they actually incapable of reporting good news?

    The media classes are all a bunch of fools in the extreme zero COVID camp while simultaneously bitching about not being able to go on overseas trips. Whatever the bad news is, they will report it, if it's good news they'll minimise it or twist it like this. As I've said time and again, 24h news channels need to be regulated out of existence.
    BBC to fearful of incorrect reporting, even though it does.
    Don't worry - GB News will be along soon to provide all the "truth" you could ever want.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013
    edited April 2021
    TOPPING said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I think masks are pretty ineffective outside, and I certainly wouldn't impose any kind of outdoor mask mandate.

    But that doesn't make people who wear them, or who ask their children to wear them, in some way offensive, or aggressors, or child abusers.

    Making teenage children wear masks for several hours at a stretch is rather different from asking them to wear it for short periods on public transport.

    The general suspicion is it has nothing to do with health reasons - after all, if you’re sitting in the same room as someone with Covid for hours on end, they’re going to be no use - and were a device to ensure that people thought schools were safe.

    Which, particularly given the myriad of other problems they cause - difficulties communicating, discomfort, the alarming deterioration in behaviour teachers are observing and having to deal with - simply isn’t a good enough reason for them.

    It is instructive that there is so far no sign of a report on mask wearing and its impact on Scottish schools, even though they should have three months’ worth of data to work with.

    It is also instructive to realise they cannot be made mandatory - for disability discrimination reasons - and so are being imposed through guidelines that make it clear they are officially optional but in practice almost impossible to avoid, leaving the schools not the DfE to carry the can for any lawsuits.

    Finally, to give you some idea of how ridiculous and stupid the whole thing is, the original plan was to have children wear them at all times. Until somebody pointed out that meant they would be unable to eat lunch. So they are permitted to take them off to eat indoors. Thereby rendering the whole exercise more useless than an administrator’s brain cell.

    My children all hate them. And I don’t blame them. They are a stupid idea conjured up for stupid reasons by stupid people. And those stupid people are utterly despicable.

    Tucker Carlson is an arse, and so is Topping, of course. But even arses can sometimes have a point.
    The good news for you of course is that as you are about to stop being a teacher you will leave all that behind you.
    I was just reading this Oscars report of a film about teachers!

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/apr/26/another-round-starring-mads-mikkelsen-wins-best-international-feature-oscar
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,047
    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Allowing ordinary people to own guns has something to do with it.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,047
    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This figure is dropping by about a thousand every day.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    "18,506 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID in the UK"

    Do we know how many of the UK cases are now being sequenced? I know at one point when cases were very high it was about 10%. Presumably it would be relatively trivial to sequence them all right now?
    No but I'd be interested to know.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,678
    Fenman said:

    moonshine said:

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    Millions of Americans are skipping the second dose of their Covid vaccines. State officials are rushing to keep that number from growing even more.

    Thats odd. In the UK isn’t the number something like 99% uptake of second doses?
    We are British. We see things like this as either our duty or in our own interest. Americans are smart aleck or smart arses who think there is a short cut around anything. If there is a rule they think it shouldn't apply to them.
    You know us so well - NOT.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,392
    Just checking out this Douglas Ross chap. First impression - not keen.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,454
    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, I think masks are pretty ineffective outside, and I certainly wouldn't impose any kind of outdoor mask mandate.

    But that doesn't make people who wear them, or who ask their children to wear them, in some way offensive, or aggressors, or child abusers.

    Making teenage children wear masks for several hours at a stretch is rather different from asking them to wear it for short periods on public transport.

    The general suspicion is it has nothing to do with health reasons - after all, if you’re sitting in the same room as someone with Covid for hours on end, they’re going to be no use - and were a device to ensure that people thought schools were safe.

    Which, particularly given the myriad of other problems they cause - difficulties communicating, discomfort, the alarming deterioration in behaviour teachers are observing and having to deal with - simply isn’t a good enough reason for them.

    It is instructive that there is so far no sign of a report on mask wearing and its impact on Scottish schools, even though they should have three months’ worth of data to work with.

    It is also instructive to realise they cannot be made mandatory - for disability discrimination reasons - and so are being imposed through guidelines that make it clear they are officially optional but in practice almost impossible to avoid, leaving the schools not the DfE to carry the can for any lawsuits.

    Finally, to give you some idea of how ridiculous and stupid the whole thing is, the original plan was to have children wear them at all times. Until somebody pointed out that meant they would be unable to eat lunch. So they are permitted to take them off to eat indoors. Thereby rendering the whole exercise more useless than an administrator’s brain cell.

    My children all hate them. And I don’t blame them. They are a stupid idea conjured up for stupid reasons by stupid people. And those stupid people are utterly despicable.

    Tucker Carlson is an arse, and so is Topping, of course. But even arses can sometimes have a point.
    The good news for you of course is that as you are about to stop being a teacher you will leave all that behind you.
    I was just reading this Oscars report of a film about teachers!

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/apr/26/another-round-starring-mads-mikkelsen-wins-best-international-feature-oscar
    Looks interesting.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Andy_JS said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Allowing ordinary people to own guns has something to do with it.
    The US has 4.2% of the world's population yet owns something like 48% of all the World's guns. Potty
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,605
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
    Question- because I don't have a clue about NI;

    Is the problem with Arlene Foster that she's too terrible, or not terrible enough?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,678

    Andy_JS said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Allowing ordinary people to own guns has something to do with it.
    The US has 4.2% of the world's population yet owns something like 48% of all the World's guns. Potty
    So you would NOT wish to be Lord Smith(and)wesson?

    Agree with you re: gun proliferation in USA. Even though most are in hands of responsible individuals, still crazy. Especially considering lack of regulation, let alone "well-regulated Militia" as per 2nd Amendment.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,246
    EXC: Alistair Darling, Lord Darling was approached by No10 officials last year to sit on a Trust to handle Downing Street refurbishment. He is understood to have turned it down, fearing it could give donors seeking favours a way in

    On Sky now

    Why does this matter?
    - Cos he is understood to have turned it down warning donors to the trust would want favours in return
    - Shows scale of work going on in civil service at height of pandemic to deal with flat overspend
    - Confirms Lord Brownlow was intended to be trust chair
    https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1387092071316692996

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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,784

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    Millions of Americans are skipping the second dose of their Covid vaccines. State officials are rushing to keep that number from growing even more.

    I think the actual numbers of skippers is only 8% or so.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,246
    "Interior decorators were in shock after Boris said 'Let the scatter cushions pile high'"

    My latest cartoon for tomorrow's @Telegraph


    https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1387095093455302667/photo/1
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634
    ydoethur said:

    If we pick up the pace next week we should overtake the US again.

    image

    Any more possible pinch points in vaccine supply?

    I hope not. I don’t know how others felt but getting this close seems to make me more and more anxious and nervous about all the things that could go wrong.
    Not really.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,678

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
    Question- because I don't have a clue about NI;

    Is the problem with Arlene Foster that she's too terrible, or not terrible enough?
    Methinks the latter. Sorta like Mike Pence.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    edited April 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Just checking out this Douglas Ross chap. First impression - not keen.

    The whole Scottish election line-up is one of the least appetising elections I can remember.

    Handily though covid means that it is also the most low-key election campaign ever. It's actually become hard to work out if there is even an election on if you avoid the odd TV debate.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,806
    Andy_JS said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Allowing ordinary people to own guns has something to do with it.
    It's all immaterial now anyway. The Royal family have successfully infiltrated Harry into their midst. He'll hoist his flag, get all to swear allegience and then bow the knee to the British throne once again. Fantastic experiment the old USA, but really it's gone on a bit far.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
    Question- because I don't have a clue about NI;

    Is the problem with Arlene Foster that she's too terrible, or not terrible enough?
    I would have said my chief concern is she makes Johnson look honest.

    https://www.ft.com/content/a1602f08-30b4-11ea-9703-eea0cae3f0de
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311

    Andy_JS said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Allowing ordinary people to own guns has something to do with it.
    The US has 4.2% of the world's population yet owns something like 48% of all the World's guns. Potty
    There is a psychological toll on the police from this. Every interaction has a clear fatal endpoint. That is not the case here. This is the reason that so many unarmed people get shot - I think most people would err on the side of shooting someone if they perceive their life is in peril. And those policeman are a picture on the wall,a tragic news story. It's complete madness.
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    Scott_xP said:

    EXC: Alistair Darling, Lord Darling was approached by No10 officials last year to sit on a Trust to handle Downing Street refurbishment. He is understood to have turned it down, fearing it could give donors seeking favours a way in

    On Sky now

    Why does this matter?
    - Cos he is understood to have turned it down warning donors to the trust would want favours in return
    - Shows scale of work going on in civil service at height of pandemic to deal with flat overspend
    - Confirms Lord Brownlow was intended to be trust chair
    https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1387092071316692996

    Here is the full version from Sky not Scott's cut and paste

    'The government engaged with the leader of the opposition office on proposals for Downing Street over the summer through e mails and telephone enquiries in July

    And labour knew nothing about it

    Really

    http://news.sky.com/story/downing-st-approached-ex-labour-chancellor-for-help-setting-up-trust-to-oversee-pms-flat-refurbishment-12288748
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
    Question- because I don't have a clue about NI;

    Is the problem with Arlene Foster that she's too terrible, or not terrible enough?
    Methinks the latter. Sorta like Mike Pence.
    I can't spot any very obvious replacement for her. But then, my knowledge of current Northern Irish politics isn't extensive.

    It occurs to me that if there is a coup against her it isn't going to make negotiations on power sharing any easier. But since they were probably a dead letter anyway, that may not be important.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    edited April 2021

    Andy_JS said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Allowing ordinary people to own guns has something to do with it.
    The US has 4.2% of the world's population yet owns something like 48% of all the World's guns. Potty
    Every interaction has a clear fatal endpoint.
    This mentality is a very big part of the problem. Training in situational awareness, deescalation, and when to walk away rather than confront are elements of resetting the police's mindset so that 'the public is the enemy' is not the default.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited April 2021

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
    Question- because I don't have a clue about NI;

    Is the problem with Arlene Foster that she's too terrible, or not terrible enough?
    Methinks the latter. Sorta like Mike Pence.
    Exactly, for DUP hardliners Foster is not hardline enough.

    She is ex UUP and comes from Enniskillen which is in a rural Catholic majority county close to the Irish border, in DUP terms she is a relative moderate.

    Her problem is the DUP has been leaking votes to the Traditional Unionist Voice, an ultra hardline Unionist party over the Irish Sea Border and being too soft with Sinn Fein. The TUV, set up by Jim McAllister who left the DUP as he saw it as too weak, is on 10% in the latest NI Assembly poll, mainly at the DUP's expense.

    McAllister is a Trumpite to Foster's Pence
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Scott_xP said:

    "Interior decorators were in shock after Boris said 'Let the scatter cushions pile high'"

    My latest cartoon for tomorrow's @Telegraph


    https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1387095093455302667/photo/1

    I misread that as 'inferior decorators'. Presumably the type who use John Lewis furnishings
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,605
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Arlene in trouble:


    Arlene Foster is facing a revolt from Democratic Unionist party politicians that threatens to topple her as party leader and first minister of Northern Ireland.

    Multiple DUP members of the Northern Ireland assembly signed a letter on Tuesday calling for an unprecedented leadership contest, according to party sources.

    Party members are angry at Foster’s handling of Brexit, the Northern Ireland protocol, gay rights and other issues, and worry about the party’s poll ratings.

    In a brief statement the DUP declined to comment on the leadership challenge and said party officers organised its “internal democratic electoral processes”.

    Sturgeon is bad. Johnson is worse.

    But Foster is biscuit.

    She should never have been leader in the first place. I hope the DUP finally have grown a backbone and eject her.
    Question- because I don't have a clue about NI;

    Is the problem with Arlene Foster that she's too terrible, or not terrible enough?
    Methinks the latter. Sorta like Mike Pence.
    Exactly, for DUP hardliners Foster is not hardline enough.

    She is ex UUP and comes from Enniskillen which is in a rural Catholic majority county close to the Irish border, in DUP terms she is a relative moderate.

    Her problem is the DUP has been leaking votes to the Traditional Unionist Voice, an ultra hardline Unionist party over the Irish Sea Border and being too soft with Sinn Fein. The TUV, set up by Jim McAllister who left the DUP as he saw it as too weak, is on 10% in the latest NI Assembly poll, mainly at the DUP's expense.

    McAllister is a Trumpite to Foster's Pence
    Thanks. That's kinda what worries me...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    FPT - Philip
    “In decreasing order of plausibility:

    1: They said something innocent that is misconstrued by loons to be aliens.
    2: They said something dishonest for a political agenda, eg to get more money to Defence.
    3: Some other explanation.
    98: They are loons.
    99: Mulder was right, the truth is out there”

    It’s a nice sunny day and it’s always good fun to sit and chat about the Great Filter, the Drake Equation, the Dark Forest etc... even better with a cider in hand.

    There’s a more immediate question that I was hoping this forum of political experts could help me with? Why in the last year have a quite unusual collection of senior US political figures gone on the record to make quite extraordinary claims about UFOs? And started a very major congressional study into the topic, that has now squarely caught the attention of the US mainstream media?

    The statements include there being A LOT of multi point evidence (including satellite visuals, radar, sonar, close range videos) of them being tangible intelligently controlled, high tech objects (rather than glitches or misidentified balloons). That they can break the sound barrier without causing sonic booms? Can pull G force in the many hundreds. Leave no visible infrared signature from a propulsion system? Can traverse easily between air and water. That they interfere quite regularly with US military assets. That the US does not have air superiority over its own landmass AND UFO’S HAVE EVEN REMOTELY DEACTIVATED US NUKES.

    Philip prefers to not engage his brain with this topic rather than look carefully at what is being said by whom. Fair enough. It’s a hard topic.

    As for the rest of you, if this is all made up, what possible reason is there for such a conspiracy between political adversaries? Because that conspiracy itself would be the story of our time too.

    If mainstream media are reporting that UFOs have deactivated nukes then please provide a mainstream source like CNN etc saying that.

    Not some batshit crazy lunatic on YouTube.
    The interview I sent was with the NY Times and NBC with the person formerly charged by the DOD and Congress to impartially assess the evidence. Since he made that statement, Harry Reid has in writing confirmed his credentials.

    You can keep throwing around mental health slurs on this topic if it makes you sleep soundly but it doesn’t answer my question, why so many senior individuals in the US are suddenly going on the record about this.
    Until it's reported somewhere other than YouTube I think the simple answer is: they're not.

    It's exceedingly easy on YouTube to take things people have said and twist them into giving a completely different picture. Total mendacious crap.
    This is being discussed on a daily basis on mainstream news channels in America and the reputable print press there.
    Great. Should be possible to link to a New York Times reputable article then rather than crazy conspiracies on YouTube. Do you have such a link?

    Or is this all pie in the sky YouTube bullshit?
    I have done many times. The NY Times ran a front page about this last year. You didn’t notice because you were too busy pissing your pants about covid. I sent several NBC articles and segments only last week and a WashPo article about a week earlier. When you are ready to engage your brain in this, I’m sure you’ll be able to use the wondrous powers of the internet to find them.
    Less effusive that you think. Unless you are an “enthusiast”

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/us/pentagon-ufo-videos.amp.html?0p19G=0232
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimT said:

    OT - Personally hope that Mike loses his bet!

    BTW, the American abbreviation for "Joseph" is NOT "Jo" but instead good old "Joe".

    As in Uncle Joe. Why you Brits are dropping the "e" is a mystery to me.

    Note that the most famous Joseph in British political history, Joseph Chamberlain, was known to his contemporaries, in the UK and out, as "Pushful Joe". NOT Jo.

    I always, as a Brit, considered Joe the male abbreviation, and Jo the female version. Has that changed?
    It has not.
    Although it’s consider polite these days to use the neutral form Jo/e unless you have been informed otherwise in writing
    What?
    I was winding up @kinabalu

    You’re assuming you know someone’s gender... hence Jo/e rather than s/he
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1387103660958683139

    India reports 362,757 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase so far, and a record 3,285 new deaths
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimT said:

    OT - Personally hope that Mike loses his bet!

    BTW, the American abbreviation for "Joseph" is NOT "Jo" but instead good old "Joe".

    As in Uncle Joe. Why you Brits are dropping the "e" is a mystery to me.

    Note that the most famous Joseph in British political history, Joseph Chamberlain, was known to his contemporaries, in the UK and out, as "Pushful Joe". NOT Jo.

    I always, as a Brit, considered Joe the male abbreviation, and Jo the female version. Has that changed?
    It has not.
    Although it’s consider polite these days to use the neutral form Jo/e unless you have been informed otherwise in writing
    Wouldn't it make more sense IF you're worried about giving offense, to NOT use ANY nickname, unless the person uses it themselves (as in case of Joe Biden) OR you are otherwise 100% sure it's ok?

    For example, somehow get the feeling that you - Charles - MIGHT be offended if someone you didn't know called you "Charlie" or "Chuck"?
    Why would I take offence? I’ve answered to far worse in the past
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,604
    Floater said:

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1387103660958683139

    India reports 362,757 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase so far, and a record 3,285 new deaths

    India will record the world’s highest ever daily death rate in the next fortnight
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,604
    Incidentally I’ve been breezing around the sunny West Country for a week, meeting friends and fam when not knapping flints, and basically having a high old time. Actual beers in the sun. Lunch on restaurant terraces! Superb

    However one thing I have noticed is Wow we Brits have put on lockdown weight. You can SEE IT

    I read somewhere that 50% of Americans have put on 25 pounds or more during Covid

    These are huge numbers, and both countries were already obese. Big health problems coming down the line
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimT said:

    OT - Personally hope that Mike loses his bet!

    BTW, the American abbreviation for "Joseph" is NOT "Jo" but instead good old "Joe".

    As in Uncle Joe. Why you Brits are dropping the "e" is a mystery to me.

    Note that the most famous Joseph in British political history, Joseph Chamberlain, was known to his contemporaries, in the UK and out, as "Pushful Joe". NOT Jo.

    I always, as a Brit, considered Joe the male abbreviation, and Jo the female version. Has that changed?
    It has not.
    Although it’s consider polite these days to use the neutral form Jo/e unless you have been informed otherwise in writing
    Wouldn't it make more sense IF you're worried about giving offense, to NOT use ANY nickname, unless the person uses it themselves (as in case of Joe Biden) OR you are otherwise 100% sure it's ok?

    For example, somehow get the feeling that you - Charles - MIGHT be offended if someone you didn't know called you "Charlie" or "Chuck"?
    I'm sure they all instinctively call him "Mr Charles" or "Sir" :)

    Not really of course, Charles is a down to earth chap.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,454
    edited April 2021
    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    TimT said:

    OT - Personally hope that Mike loses his bet!

    BTW, the American abbreviation for "Joseph" is NOT "Jo" but instead good old "Joe".

    As in Uncle Joe. Why you Brits are dropping the "e" is a mystery to me.

    Note that the most famous Joseph in British political history, Joseph Chamberlain, was known to his contemporaries, in the UK and out, as "Pushful Joe". NOT Jo.

    I always, as a Brit, considered Joe the male abbreviation, and Jo the female version. Has that changed?
    It has not.
    Although it’s consider polite these days to use the neutral form Jo/e unless you have been informed otherwise in writing
    What?
    I was winding up @kinabalu

    You’re assuming you know someone’s gender... hence Jo/e rather than s/he
    D'oh my bad.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,604
    edited April 2021
    https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2566465/even-gwyneth-paltrow-wasnt-immune-to-covid-weight-gain-apple-martin-goop

    ‘A recent poll showed 42% of respondents gained weight during the pandemic. The average weight gain in the group was 29 pounds, according to the American Psychological Association.’


    29 pounds??! That’s a TON of WOBBLE
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    Leon said:

    Incidentally I’ve been breezing around the sunny West Country for a week, meeting friends and fam when not knapping flints, and basically having a high old time. Actual beers in the sun. Lunch on restaurant terraces! Superb

    However one thing I have noticed is Wow we Brits have put on lockdown weight. You can SEE IT

    I read somewhere that 50% of Americans have put on 25 pounds or more during Covid

    These are huge numbers, and both countries were already obese. Big health problems coming down the line

    25 pounds?! Christ, I've put on about 8, being one of the West Country fatties you may have observed, but 25 would be impressive.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079

    kinabalu said:

    Just checking out this Douglas Ross chap. First impression - not keen.

    The whole Scottish election line-up is one of the least appetising elections I can remember.
    I feel like I've heard that at every Scottish election, or indeed every election.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,079
    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tucker Carlson is now telling his audience to harass people who wear face masks outside.

    If they see children wearing masks, Tucker says the response should be no different than when you see a kid being abused -- "call the police immediately, contact child protective services"


    https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1386837979453399049

    The video is worth a watch just to demonstrate how batshit crazy some people have become.

    By people, you mean americans. No one that idiotic over here, afaik.
    I never understand this British sense of superiority over Americans. Like the UK has no-one as batshit crazy as the worst Americans. Or that the UK does not have its own set of batshit crazy issues.

    Oh! Now I remember. They are not batshit crazy if they are British, they are just fun eccentrics. Or right wing scumbags. Or left-wing Corbynistas. Or ...
    Oh, I agree completely.

    I just find it so astonishing that something like this has become so politicised. It's a frickin' mask. It prevents you from passing - if you have it - Covid to someone else. If you or your kids wear a mask (as people with even mild colds will do in Japan), it's not child abuse, it's not offensive, it's a common courtesy.
    It could be psychologically damaging to a child. How much? Who knows. But it is saying you are a threat to other people and must take action to prevent this.
    Have you ever been to Tokyo? If you're on the subway, there will often be gaggles of seven or eight year old kids travelling by themselves - and guess what - some of them will be wearing masks. Because they've been taught from an early age that if you have a cold or cough that it's impolite to spread it to other people.

    Are they all being abused?
    I've been to Tokyo many times. It is part of the culture as a courtesy to other people which is great (my favourite such courtesy is the lift attendants in the department stores who, as you walk into the lift, say "please thank you I'm sorry").

    But this is different. It is alien to us and could have a damaging effect on a child if misused as in as you say wearing one outside in the fresh air.
    We can of course change our view
    That approach is definitely alien to us on a political site.
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