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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,859
    edited March 2021
    Dura_Ace said:

    kinabalu said:

    A thought on the belief of some (eg Malcolm) that Sturgeon just likes being FM and doesn't care about Sindy -

    It's a fair assumption as she is doing only slightly less than fuck all to put pressure on Johnson to acheive it.
    If she wins the election and then does nothing, sure, that would support the case very strongly. But surely it has to be Holyrood mandate first - then all guns blazing for Sindy.

    I mean, what should she be doing now other than what she is doing - putting Sindy front and centre in the manifesto?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756
    Lol.
    Ol’ Louis is sounding a bit snowflakey himself.

    https://twitter.com/sturgios/status/1375767582268088320?s=21
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,082
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ping said:

    DavidL said:

    So I spent the morning leafleting with a Tory MSP. There is some concern about what Salmond might do. Its not so much the new party, its more him. He is a giant in Scottish politics, a bit battered and tainted but a giant none the less.

    Looking at the list seats it looks to me as if the damage might be spread around a bit with Greens and Labour the most immediately in the firing line but its not long until the Tories start to take damage. Personally, I am a bit concerned.

    Post-Indy, I think there’s a decent chance ALBA absorbs much of the Scon vote. A medium-long term existential threat to the Scons, IMo
    I doubt it, Alba describes itself as supporting 'The promotion of all Scottish interests, and the building of an economically successful and socially-just independent country, through the pursuit of a social democratic programme.'
    https://www.albaparty.org/about_alba

    Conservative voters are not going to vote for a social democratic party even if Scotland went independent and Scottish Conservative voters are overwhelmingly anti independence and pro Union now
    Conservative voters are already voting for a social democratic party. There is nothing SCon politicians are saying that could not have been said by SLab.
    The fact the current Conservative party is not pursuing pure Thatcherism does not change the fact that on economics it is still right of Labour which is even more statist, as indeed are the SNP, the Greens and it seems Alba.

    If Tory voters want a smaller state they might go LD or RefUK, they will not go Alba
    I think the PM is between SKS and Jezza in terms of small state

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ping said:

    DavidL said:

    So I spent the morning leafleting with a Tory MSP. There is some concern about what Salmond might do. Its not so much the new party, its more him. He is a giant in Scottish politics, a bit battered and tainted but a giant none the less.

    Looking at the list seats it looks to me as if the damage might be spread around a bit with Greens and Labour the most immediately in the firing line but its not long until the Tories start to take damage. Personally, I am a bit concerned.

    Post-Indy, I think there’s a decent chance ALBA absorbs much of the Scon vote. A medium-long term existential threat to the Scons, IMo
    I doubt it, Alba describes itself as supporting 'The promotion of all Scottish interests, and the building of an economically successful and socially-just independent country, through the pursuit of a social democratic programme.'
    https://www.albaparty.org/about_alba

    Conservative voters are not going to vote for a social democratic party even if Scotland went independent and Scottish Conservative voters are overwhelmingly anti independence and pro Union now
    Conservative voters are already voting for a social democratic party. There is nothing SCon politicians are saying that could not have been said by SLab.
    The fact the current Conservative party is not pursuing pure Thatcherism does not change the fact that on economics it is still right of Labour which is even more statist, as indeed are the SNP, the Greens and it seems Alba.

    If Tory voters want a smaller state they might go LD or RefUK, they will not go Alba
    I think the PM is between SKS and Jezza in terms of small state
    In terms of economic policy he is well to the Left of Blair.
    Spaffing money everywhere, and expecting others to pay the bill is not so much a policy of Johnson's so much as the way he lives his life.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    If there is a narrow Unionist majority I still expect to see an SNP First Minister. One or both of Labour and Tories would prefer to tolerate a minority SNP administration than to actively provide support for the other.

    But it would mean that any Holyrood vote on a second referendum would fail.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    BBC News - MP Kenny MacAskill quits SNP for new Alba Party
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56550195
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,871
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    So I spent the morning leafleting with a Tory MSP. There is some concern about what Salmond might do. Its not so much the new party, its more him. He is a giant in Scottish politics, a bit battered and tainted but a giant none the less.

    Looking at the list seats it looks to me as if the damage might be spread around a bit with Greens and Labour the most immediately in the firing line but its not long until the Tories start to take damage. Personally, I am a bit concerned.

    Fair play, that's a bit more nuanced than 'hammer blow to the independence cause' type headlines beloved of red top headline writers. Jim Naughtie and Nick Robinson pursuing the same line on R4 this am persuades me that Jim should stick to the Bookclub thing and getting US politics wrong.
    The best hope from the Unionist perspective is that Sturgeon and Salmond start taking lumps out of each other and put a lot of people off both of them. Salmond is much more likely to make effective digs at Sturgeon than the leaders of any of the Unionist parties post Ruth. In fact he will put them even further into the shade. Spontaneity, wit and telling phrases are really not what Ross, Sarwar and Rennie bring to mind, sadly.

    I do not underestimate Salmond. For all his faults he is a remarkable operator.
    I wouldn’t underestimate Sarwar either, especially compared to DRoss.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,780
    Salmond has said he will run a positive campaign. I am absolutely sure that he positively believes that the SNP would do better under new leadership and that people who lie to Parliament and act as Sturgeon's cabal has done are not the best that Scotland can do.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    stodge said:



    In answer to your last question, no. In the unlikely event of a unionist majority, the most likely outcome is simply another SNP minority government, because the SNP would still be the largest party. The second most likely is a Lab/LD minority government, should the SNP decide that it needs a period of renewal in opposition or if the unionist parties determine that they want the SNP removed.

    Either way, no other party is going to make any kind of formal arrangement with the Tories. It'd be electoral kryptonite for them.

    The strange thing is for all the noise if you look at the current polling and compare with 2016, what is interesting is now how much has changed, but how little.
    Yes, I'd not thought of it that way. The numbers are indeed surprisingly similar.

    Guess the new party ought to shake that up a bit. The other open question is whether the Tories or Labour end up second this time, albeit that's very much a bald men fighting over a comb kind of a sideshow.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,871
    DavidL said:

    On TV last night I heard Salmond mention the need for women-only spaces.

    Sounds to me like there will soon be a Cherry on the top of his cake.


    On a totally different topic, Tories round here going big on the 4.9% rise in council tax. Easy stick to beat Labour with.

    I think, very sadly, that Joanna Cherry is seriously ill.
    I wouldn’t be surprised, given the threats, including death threats, she has had to suffer. I hope she’s ok. Scotland hasn’t produced many good politicians recently - of any party.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited March 2021
    RobD said:
    I think we've all had that realisation at some point.

    Edit: About ourselves I mean.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,082

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    So I spent the morning leafleting with a Tory MSP. There is some concern about what Salmond might do. Its not so much the new party, its more him. He is a giant in Scottish politics, a bit battered and tainted but a giant none the less.

    Looking at the list seats it looks to me as if the damage might be spread around a bit with Greens and Labour the most immediately in the firing line but its not long until the Tories start to take damage. Personally, I am a bit concerned.

    Fair play, that's a bit more nuanced than 'hammer blow to the independence cause' type headlines beloved of red top headline writers. Jim Naughtie and Nick Robinson pursuing the same line on R4 this am persuades me that Jim should stick to the Bookclub thing and getting US politics wrong.
    The best hope from the Unionist perspective is that Sturgeon and Salmond start taking lumps out of each other and put a lot of people off both of them. Salmond is much more likely to make effective digs at Sturgeon than the leaders of any of the Unionist parties post Ruth. In fact he will put them even further into the shade. Spontaneity, wit and telling phrases are really not what Ross, Sarwar and Rennie bring to mind, sadly.

    I do not underestimate Salmond. For all his faults he is a remarkable operator.
    I wouldn’t underestimate Sarwar either, especially compared to DRoss.
    Yes, I think some SNP voters may go to ALBA, but those not so keen on immediate independence are more likely to back SLAB than SCon. I have put a little wager on SLAB as second largest party.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Saw my first 'Winning Here' banner for some time, it's like seeing the return of an old friend.

    Also saw a 'Life is Fleeting' banner outside the local church, but that was less nostalgic.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,157
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Completely off thread (sorry) but I'd welcome any legal insights into this one.

    I live in England and am the owner of a residential property in another country which I let out. However, due to recent relaxations in applicable Covid rules, I am once again able to let it out in that country and wish to do so in early April.

    The rules in England with regard to international travel explicitly give an exemption for travel “in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property”. Due to Covid restrictions I haven't visited the property in six months, as a result of which the buildings insurance can't apply. It needs at the very least a thorough inspection and probable action to deal with several problems, plus routine maintenance to get on top of all the usual jobs normally done over the winter. I am praying that there isn't months of internal water damage arising from a lost tile or the like, let alone a break in. I won't know until I get there. Clearly I can't let it out to visitors until all this is sorted out.

    So I am going to complete the required form "Coronavirus (COVID-19): declaration form for international travel from England from 29 March 2021" and having met all the criteria expect to be allowed out of England. I think I'm also acting reasonably, as well as within the law on international travel. The property is self-contained, and isolated, and I won't interact with a soul while I'm there. Frankly I'm worried sick about what might have happened to it.

    One other thing. The other country is Wales. And that's the legal point. If someone has a valid reason within the law to travel from England to outside of the UK, does the Welsh Government have any powers stop them using the same reasons to travel from England to Wales?

    If you travel by car from England to Wales, you will likely be stopped.

    There are police stationed on the main roads that are the entry points to Wales, stopping cars (probably ones registered in England) & finding out what their purpose of travel is. You will get a fine.

    Drakeford has a slate curtain along the border. You will have to wait till Drakeford makes it a woolly curtain.
    Thanks. I have a £200,000 asset wasting away, will not be using main roads, and so am prepared to risk a fine of dubious legality. The question is whether Drakeford really has legal powers to impose one. His statements so far suggest that he is justifying legal sanctions on tourists travelling into Wales on the grounds that they wouldn't have a valid reason to travel in England either until 12th April. But I will not be a tourist and will have a valid reason to travel within England, so what are the legal powers?
    From my other link. Yes, should be OK to maintain it.

    "I do not live in Wales, can I travel to Wales, or from within the UK, for a holiday or to visit family and friends?

    In general no. Travel into Wales is not allowed without a reasonable excuse, for example, travelling for work purposes. Visiting family and friends or having a holiday is not currently considered a reasonable excuse.

    If you are considering travelling to Wales from within the UK, you will need to ensure that you follow the rules where you live."
    Yes, if the cottage is a business, then the journey is work related. I would take documentation showing that it is a commercial let, that you are the owner, take no recreational things, tools and maintenance equipment, be discreet and not socialise with other people.
    That WG link I posted earlier specifixcally considers the case in discussion - the rules may have changed very recently.,
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,871
    edited March 2021
    kle4 said:

    Saw my first 'Winning Here' banner for some time, it's like seeing the return of an old friend.

    Also saw a 'Life is Fleeting' banner outside the local church, but that was less nostalgic.

    Could they not pool their resources and have a joint “Winning here is fleeting” banner?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    kle4 said:

    Saw my first 'Winning Here' banner for some time, it's like seeing the return of an old friend.

    Also saw a 'Life is Fleeting' banner outside the local church, but that was less nostalgic.

    That's like the old Parish newsletter review. "Miss Frossard sang "We Pass This Way But Once" which was much appreciated..."
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    Re header: I'm sure that he's boosted Independence chances, but he may slightly have delayed it.

    What does Salmond want? An independent and strong Scotland.

    The SNP were on track to deliver a weak and marginal Scottish independence.

    I have no idea if Alba can improve matters eventually, but broadening the platform seems likely to be helpful. I'll be really interested to see if they face up to the almost impossible economic background for independence currently. It'll be interesting to see where they go.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:
    I think we've all had that realisation at some point.

    Edit: About ourselves I mean.
    Was going to say that was a bit harsh, until I read your edit
  • I think a couple of key questions for Holyrood 2021 is what is the turnout going to look like and who turns out?

    Holyrood 2016 had 56% turnout, while Westminster 2019 had 68% turnout in Scotland so there is still a fair chunk of voters who up to now have only turned out for Westminster elections.

    Does the Sturgeon/Salmond drama look like party splits and turn off the voters or does it galvanise the electorate?

    Then there is the COVID factor - we know the oldies are the most likely to vote and they should all have had 1 jab by then (many will have had 2), but many young people will be unprotected. We know people will be rushing back to the pub but will they be desperate to head for the ballot box? It looks like just under a fifth of Scots currently vote by post but this could increase.

    Certainly it should boost interest in these elections with London being a done deal.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    DavidL said:

    Salmond has said he will run a positive campaign.
    A surefire indicator of someone intending to run a brutally negative campaign, via the 'doth protest too much' principle.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,883

    Lol.
    Ol’ Louis is sounding a bit snowflakey himself.

    https://twitter.com/sturgios/status/1375767582268088320?s=21

    He was a leaver so fuck him and his feelings with a plywood mandolin.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296

    US has gone bonkers....women makes crazy statement that Piers Morgan is a definitely racist, not because he said anything racist, but because she felt his tone was racist. Another woman says hold on there, that's crazy, I know this person, he isn't racist..... klaxon goes off, your fired.

    BBC News - The Talk: Sharon Osbourne leaves US show after racism row
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56547718

    Yes, you are racist if you say that someone else who isn't racist, isn't racist. It is a sackable defence to deny the existence of racism even when racism doesn't exist
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Confirmation bias at work with the respective posters?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973
    Presumably Alba want to head down the UDI route.. or push for Indy swiftly.

    Isn’t that.. risky? Surely independence is also partly about having a sane and competent leader pushing for it, to win over some of those softer yes voters.

    Likewise - isn’t that just going to end in untold turmoil, not only in terms of division in the population but turmoil in the markets
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Omnium said:

    Re header: I'm sure that he's boosted Independence chances, but he may slightly have delayed it.

    What does Salmond want? An independent and strong Scotland.

    The SNP were on track to deliver a weak and marginal Scottish independence.

    I have no idea if Alba can improve matters eventually, but broadening the platform seems likely to be helpful. I'll be really interested to see if they face up to the almost impossible economic background for independence currently. It'll be interesting to see where they go.

    I'm curious, why should Salmond's presence or lack thereof make a substantial difference to the nature of Scottish independence? It either happens or it doesn't, and if it does then the challenges that this presents have nothing to do with the personalities involved.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Laurie Flynn doesn’t steal Diane James’s record, but it’s a solid second.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    Where are they going, the people going there when there's no there there?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,883

    Presumably Alba want to head down the UDI route.. or push for Indy swiftly.

    Isn’t that.. risky? Surely independence is also partly about having a sane and competent leader pushing for it, to win over some of those softer yes voters.

    Likewise - isn’t that just going to end in untold turmoil, not only in terms of division in the population but turmoil in the markets

    Oh no! Not the markets!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    Omnium said:

    Re header: I'm sure that he's boosted Independence chances, but he may slightly have delayed it.

    What does Salmond want? An independent and strong Scotland.

    The SNP were on track to deliver a weak and marginal Scottish independence.

    I have no idea if Alba can improve matters eventually, but broadening the platform seems likely to be helpful. I'll be really interested to see if they face up to the almost impossible economic background for independence currently. It'll be interesting to see where they go.

    I'm curious, why should Salmond's presence or lack thereof make a substantial difference to the nature of Scottish independence? It either happens or it doesn't, and if it does then the challenges that this presents have nothing to do with the personalities involved.
    Oh I just think that having a pluracy of view helps. The SNP are pretty narrow, and independence would be a very hard thing to get right.

    I don't think this is a substantial change - just a small one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Leon said:

    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway

    Isn’t it just typical that the SeanT alias club went ahead with their annual meet despite the lockdown?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,973
    Dura_Ace said:

    Presumably Alba want to head down the UDI route.. or push for Indy swiftly.

    Isn’t that.. risky? Surely independence is also partly about having a sane and competent leader pushing for it, to win over some of those softer yes voters.

    Likewise - isn’t that just going to end in untold turmoil, not only in terms of division in the population but turmoil in the markets

    Oh no! Not the markets!
    Well, they would be quite important in the event of a UDI situation.

    Or we can pretend it’ll all be fine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    I think I can see my Nvidia 3090 from here.....

    BBC News - Suez Canal: Fresh effort to refloat wedged container ship
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56550350
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway

    Isn’t it just typical that the SeanT alias club went ahead with their annual meet despite the lockdown?
    It's not him, I sometimes see him on the streets of Camden, always dashing in a fine Huntsman suit, bespoke shirt, Lobbs brogues, with the inevitable young beauty on his arm, laughing girlishly at his endless wit. Sometimes two or three of them.

    Occasionally he waves at me, when I call out, but I wonder if he even recognises me. He is surrounded by admirers and he always has people coming up to him. When he's not giving money to poor blind orphans, begging on Parkway. He often does that, too; his generosity is insane.

    No these are other people, scruffier, dimmer. Nothing like him at all.

    They wander around aimlessly, and then they wander again.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Leon said:

    Where are they going, the people going there when there's no there there?

    1. Bored to tears of sitting at home waiting to die of old age, decided to go out for the sake of it (walking round in circles, buying a newspaper, whatever)
    2. Going to see friends and family, in contravention of rules that most people are sick of and many have now elected to disregard

    The difference relative to the first lockdown is dramatic and obvious, especially with regard to the amount of traffic on the roads
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296

    Dura_Ace said:

    Presumably Alba want to head down the UDI route.. or push for Indy swiftly.

    Isn’t that.. risky? Surely independence is also partly about having a sane and competent leader pushing for it, to win over some of those softer yes voters.

    Likewise - isn’t that just going to end in untold turmoil, not only in terms of division in the population but turmoil in the markets

    Oh no! Not the markets!
    Well, they would be quite important in the event of a UDI situation.

    Or we can pretend it’ll all be fine.
    It's not the markets that are the problem with UDI, at least, they are not the immediate issue.

    It's voters, the Unionists won't vote in a wildcat referendum, and all the polls show most Scots hate the idea of a simple declaration of Indy. For good reasons: it would roil the nation and stoke civil strife. Madness.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    I think I can see my Nvidia 3090 from here.....

    BBC News - Suez Canal: Fresh effort to refloat wedged container ship
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56550350

    Did you not get my message yesterday?
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    Leon said:

    Where are they going, the people going there when there's no there there?

    There there. It doesn't matter.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway

    Isn’t it just typical that the SeanT alias club went ahead with their annual meet despite the lockdown?
    It's not him, I sometimes see him on the streets of Camden, always dashing in a fine Huntsman suit, bespoke shirt, Lobbs brogues, with the inevitable young beauty on his arm, laughing girlishly at his endless wit. Sometimes two or three of them.

    Occasionally he waves at me, when I call out, but I wonder if he even recognises me. He is surrounded by admirers and he always has people coming up to him. When he's not giving money to poor blind orphans, begging on Parkway. He often does that, too; his generosity is insane.

    No these are other people, scruffier, dimmer. Nothing like him at all.

    They wander around aimlessly, and then they wander again.
    Fitting that St Sean is the patron saint of painters, printers and art dealers. Does that extend to flint knappers?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296

    Leon said:

    Where are they going, the people going there when there's no there there?

    1. Bored to tears of sitting at home waiting to die of old age, decided to go out for the sake of it (walking round in circles, buying a newspaper, whatever)
    2. Going to see friends and family, in contravention of rules that most people are sick of and many have now elected to disregard

    The difference relative to the first lockdown is dramatic and obvious, especially with regard to the amount of traffic on the roads
    I've got my first social engagement in about nine decades on Easter Saturday. A bbq in someone's back garden.

    Is that legal now? I don't care if it is or not.

    It will be three weeks since my jab next Friday, so I have immunity. Everyone there will either be jabbed or extremely young. Enough now.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,859
    Moving off the Scotland, it's the start of the proper flat season today. Always a landmark in the year and a sign the winter is over. The Lincoln Handicap is off at 3.10. My first choice was an outsider picked because of the name - Born To Be Alive - but it's been withdrawn (perhaps because connections heard I was tipping it).

    So I've had no choice but to go trawling painstakingly through the form to find an alternative. This being DANYAH at 8/1. The owner has just died (I think) so there's a possible "human interest" story there too.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Leon said:

    Where are they going, the people going there when there's no there there?

    They’re on their way home.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    At least half of Scotland would be likely to ignore UDI by continuing to follow Westminster.

    East Lothian should be a good prospect for Labour next time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway

    Isn’t it just typical that the SeanT alias club went ahead with their annual meet despite the lockdown?
    It's not him, I sometimes see him on the streets of Camden, always dashing in a fine Huntsman suit, bespoke shirt, Lobbs brogues, with the inevitable young beauty on his arm, laughing girlishly at his endless wit. Sometimes two or three of them.

    Occasionally he waves at me, when I call out, but I wonder if he even recognises me. He is surrounded by admirers and he always has people coming up to him. When he's not giving money to poor blind orphans, begging on Parkway. He often does that, too; his generosity is insane.

    No these are other people, scruffier, dimmer. Nothing like him at all.

    They wander around aimlessly, and then they wander again.
    Fitting that St Sean is the patron saint of painters, printers and art dealers. Does that extend to flint knappers?
    Is SeanT an actual saint as well? A proper living saint?

    To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. He has a spiritual radiance which can be quite stirring. Like someone attuned to the Divine.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,572
    MattW said:

    Completely off thread (sorry) but I'd welcome any legal insights into this one.

    I live in England and am the owner of a residential property in another country which I let out. However, due to recent relaxations in applicable Covid rules, I am once again able to let it out in that country and wish to do so in early April.

    The rules in England with regard to international travel explicitly give an exemption for travel “in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property”. Due to Covid restrictions I haven't visited the property in six months, as a result of which the buildings insurance can't apply. It needs at the very least a thorough inspection and probable action to deal with several problems, plus routine maintenance to get on top of all the usual jobs normally done over the winter. I am praying that there isn't months of internal water damage arising from a lost tile or the like, let alone a break in. I won't know until I get there. Clearly I can't let it out to visitors until all this is sorted out.

    So I am going to complete the required form "Coronavirus (COVID-19): declaration form for international travel from England from 29 March 2021" and having met all the criteria expect to be allowed out of England. I think I'm also acting reasonably, as well as within the law on international travel. The property is self-contained, and isolated, and I won't interact with a soul while I'm there. Frankly I'm worried sick about what might have happened to it.

    One other thing. The other country is Wales. And that's the legal point. If someone has a valid reason within the law to travel from England to outside of the UK, does the Welsh Government have any powers stop them using the same reasons to travel from England to Wales?

    The Welsh regulations relax this weekend for people taking self-catering hols in Wales, but still seem rather limited for foreigners holiday-ing in Wales,

    Regs here:
    https://gov.wales/frequently-asked-questions-restrictions-27-march#section-67239

    My punt would be probably OK but go via a back-rout, and check first if possible.
    Thanks, that's helpful.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,627
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:
    They should be careful what they wish for. If all the eejits leave the SNP its going to be a much quieter place, bordering on deserted.
    As if on cue from my earlier comment about the party leadership coming to hate the party members.

    "We must get rid of all our most fervent supporters. Because they are evil scum who... don't support us."
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Where are they going, the people going there when there's no there there?

    They’re on their way home.
    There is no way of discovering their destiny because they're not saying.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Leon said:

    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway

    Isn’t it just typical that the SeanT alias club went ahead with their annual meet despite the lockdown?
    It's not him, I sometimes see him on the streets of Camden, always dashing in a fine Huntsman suit, bespoke shirt, Lobbs brogues, with the inevitable young beauty on his arm, laughing girlishly at his endless wit. Sometimes two or three of them.

    Occasionally he waves at me, when I call out, but I wonder if he even recognises me. He is surrounded by admirers and he always has people coming up to him. When he's not giving money to poor blind orphans, begging on Parkway. He often does that, too; his generosity is insane.

    No these are other people, scruffier, dimmer. Nothing like him at all.

    They wander around aimlessly, and then they wander again.
    Fitting that St Sean is the patron saint of painters, printers and art dealers. Does that extend to flint knappers?
    Is SeanT an actual saint as well? A proper living saint?

    To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. He has a spiritual radiance which can be quite stirring. Like someone attuned to the Divine.
    Saints are supposed to spread hope, not despair.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    Editor of Teen Vogue, 27, sacked for racist tweets she did when was.... 17. For which she has already apologised

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/america-has-lost-ability-forgive/618336/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=2021-03-19T21:56:30&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_campaign=the-atlantic

    They weren't violently racist, just crude and silly


    Are we really going to destroy people for social media they did in their TEENS? Ten years later?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,627
    TimT said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Streets absolutely rammed here in north London. There's still nowhere to go but people seem to be going there anyway

    Isn’t it just typical that the SeanT alias club went ahead with their annual meet despite the lockdown?
    It's not him, I sometimes see him on the streets of Camden, always dashing in a fine Huntsman suit, bespoke shirt, Lobbs brogues, with the inevitable young beauty on his arm, laughing girlishly at his endless wit. Sometimes two or three of them.

    Occasionally he waves at me, when I call out, but I wonder if he even recognises me. He is surrounded by admirers and he always has people coming up to him. When he's not giving money to poor blind orphans, begging on Parkway. He often does that, too; his generosity is insane.

    No these are other people, scruffier, dimmer. Nothing like him at all.

    They wander around aimlessly, and then they wander again.
    Fitting that St Sean is the patron saint of painters, printers and art dealers. Does that extend to flint knappers?
    The problem with trying to get anywhere near SeanT is the clones.

    It's like dinner time on Kamino

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jB80XZN-nM
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    That's a bit churlish. We've just done more than 1% of the population in a day. Again. Today.

    And you're complaining?

    We are approaching the Israel Moment when the virus is in headlong retreat, fleeing over the hills. Be hopeful. Be grateful.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,627
    Leon said:

    Editor of Teen Vogue, 27, sacked for racist tweets she did when was.... 17. For which she has already apologised

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/america-has-lost-ability-forgive/618336/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=2021-03-19T21:56:30&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_campaign=the-atlantic

    They weren't violently racist, just crude and silly


    Are we really going to destroy people for social media they did in their TEENS? Ten years later?

    The first against the wall, when the revolution comes, are always revolutionaries.

    Only through strength and purity will we achieve victory! IKAAAAAAAARRRRAA!!!!!!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    That's a bit churlish. We've just done more than 1% of the population in a day. Again. Today.

    And you're complaining?

    We are approaching the Israel Moment when the virus is in headlong retreat, fleeing over the hills. Be hopeful. Be grateful.
    Only complaining at the over promising.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    Leon said:

    Editor of Teen Vogue, 27, sacked for racist tweets she did when was.... 17. For which she has already apologised

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/america-has-lost-ability-forgive/618336/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=2021-03-19T21:56:30&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_campaign=the-atlantic

    They weren't violently racist, just crude and silly


    Are we really going to destroy people for social media they did in their TEENS? Ten years later?

    If you’re editor of ‘Teen Vogue’, not unreasonable.

    The internet makes it so much easier for people to reveal character traits that, in olden times, they would have been able to keep under wraps until long after they got the job. It isn’t necessarily a bad thing that those with a dark side can get rumbled before they get given responsibility, rather than after.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,627
    Floater said:
    Wonder how long before the screeching handbrake turn in progressive circles concerning the benefits of censoring bullshit?
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,346
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    That's a bit churlish. We've just done more than 1% of the population in a day. Again. Today.

    And you're complaining?

    We are approaching the Israel Moment when the virus is in headlong retreat, fleeing over the hills. Be hopeful. Be grateful.
    Only complaining at the over promising.
    Compare us to France!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    That's a bit churlish. We've just done more than 1% of the population in a day. Again. Today.

    And you're complaining?

    We are approaching the Israel Moment when the virus is in headlong retreat, fleeing over the hills. Be hopeful. Be grateful.
    Only complaining at the over promising.
    They didn't over promise. They told us to expect two great weeks at the back end of March. We have had them. Often topping half a million a day, sometimes nearing a million.

    They warned a while ago that April could be a lot slower.

    I'm not sure it matters that much now (as long as the people awaiting the 2nd jab, get their 2nd jab)

    All the most vulnerable have been done, practically. Now it is more of a mopping up operation.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited March 2021
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    'Seems' being the operative word in your myopic view. In point of fact, our vaccination rate increased from 0.49 doses per 100 per day on March 12 to a high of 0.88 on March 21 and 0.85 as of March 25.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094
    This time tomorrow it’ll be 4.15pm, the most appropriate time for a cup of tea.

    Summertime is coming. Are you ready?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756
    edited March 2021
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Gaelic v. Scottish pronunciation, there's already a cultural appropriation micro storm in a quaich.

    Fwiw I think the Gaelic would be closer to Allipa but willing to be corrected.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,094

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    'Seems' being the operative word in your myopic view. In point of fact, our vaccination rate increased from 0.49 doses per 100 per day on March 12 to a high of 0.88 on March 21 and 0.85 as of March 25.
    Skipping over the steady decline from late Jan to mid March
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    justin124 said:

    At least half of Scotland would be likely to ignore UDI by continuing to follow Westminster.

    East Lothian should be a good prospect for Labour next time.

    Even assuming that I wanted to, how would I continue to follow Westminster?

    Whether my PAYE taxes would be paid to Holyrood would be a matter for my employer, potentially the courts and the police. I've no idea what would happen with my savings and bank account if a newly independent Scotland decided they had to be converted to Scottish Pounds, but presumably this becomes another issue determined by the courts and the banks, and with no regard to my wishes, if I was going to decide to somehow pledge my allegiance to Westminster instead.

    It's a damn long drive to the nearest English hospital if I decide to follow Westminster and avoid using the healthcare system of a unilaterally independent Scotland. I'm not going to get far if I try to insist that the local supermarket starts to follow Westminster licensing laws to sell me alcohol early in the morning, instead of the Scottish laws, etc.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    IanB2 said:

    This time tomorrow it’ll be 4.15pm, the most appropriate time for a cup of tea.

    Summertime is coming. Are you ready?

    I think we've a long way to go before Summer. A repeat of last year's Spring is not, sadly. coming to help us.

    Forecast for next two weeks: cold, warm, warm, warm-ish, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold.

    The best that can be said is it looks dry. I imagine cold AND pissing with rain will start on April 12th.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:
    They should be careful what they wish for. If all the eejits leave the SNP its going to be a much quieter place, bordering on deserted.
    I still can't get over Blackford describing somebody else as an embarrassment, apparently without irony.

    That's as grotesque as the famous time Himmler described Reinhold Feix, Commandant of Budzyn Labour Camp, as 'unusually brutal.'
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    justin124 said:

    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.

    You position that you wish to receive a £1000 fine for being stupid - yep that seems fair.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    At least half of Scotland would be likely to ignore UDI by continuing to follow Westminster.

    East Lothian should be a good prospect for Labour next time.

    Even assuming that I wanted to, how would I continue to follow Westminster?

    Whether my PAYE taxes would be paid to Holyrood would be a matter for my employer, potentially the courts and the police. I've no idea what would happen with my savings and bank account if a newly independent Scotland decided they had to be converted to Scottish Pounds, but presumably this becomes another issue determined by the courts and the banks, and with no regard to my wishes, if I was going to decide to somehow pledge my allegiance to Westminster instead.

    It's a damn long drive to the nearest English hospital if I decide to follow Westminster and avoid using the healthcare system of a unilaterally independent Scotland. I'm not going to get far if I try to insist that the local supermarket starts to follow Westminster licensing laws to sell me alcohol early in the morning, instead of the Scottish laws, etc.
    But many of those employed by public organisations - Healthcare, Police, Schools etc - would be likely to ignore additional rules and regulations deemed by Westminster to be unlawful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Gaelic v. Scottish pronunciation, there's already a cultural appropriation micro storm in a quaich.

    Fwiw I think the Gaelic would be closer to Allipa but willing to be corrected.
    The word has mixed origins, however. Albus is Latin for white (see "albumen"). England was always Albion (and perfidious) - the term probably from the white cliffs?

    Britain is Albany.

    It seems that the Romans MAY have got the term FROM the Celts or Gauls, but its application to the UK (or any part of it) again relates, probably, to the white cliffs of Dover.

    So Salmond has set up a Scotch nationalist party whose name celebrates the glorious coast of southern England.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    edited March 2021
    .
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Maybe they're trying to do the Gaelic pronunciation?

    "Alba (English: /ˈælbə/) is the Scottish Gaelic name (pronounced [ˈal̪ˠapə]) for Scotland."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba
  • Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Completely off thread (sorry) but I'd welcome any legal insights into this one.

    I live in England and am the owner of a residential property in another country which I let out. However, due to recent relaxations in applicable Covid rules, I am once again able to let it out in that country and wish to do so in early April.

    The rules in England with regard to international travel explicitly give an exemption for travel “in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property”. Due to Covid restrictions I haven't visited the property in six months, as a result of which the buildings insurance can't apply. It needs at the very least a thorough inspection and probable action to deal with several problems, plus routine maintenance to get on top of all the usual jobs normally done over the winter. I am praying that there isn't months of internal water damage arising from a lost tile or the like, let alone a break in. I won't know until I get there. Clearly I can't let it out to visitors until all this is sorted out.

    So I am going to complete the required form "Coronavirus (COVID-19): declaration form for international travel from England from 29 March 2021" and having met all the criteria expect to be allowed out of England. I think I'm also acting reasonably, as well as within the law on international travel. The property is self-contained, and isolated, and I won't interact with a soul while I'm there. Frankly I'm worried sick about what might have happened to it.

    One other thing. The other country is Wales. And that's the legal point. If someone has a valid reason within the law to travel from England to outside of the UK, does the Welsh Government have any powers stop them using the same reasons to travel from England to Wales?

    If you travel by car from England to Wales, you will likely be stopped.

    There are police stationed on the main roads that are the entry points to Wales, stopping cars (probably ones registered in England) & finding out what their purpose of travel is. You will get a fine.

    Drakeford has a slate curtain along the border. You will have to wait till Drakeford makes it a woolly curtain.
    Thanks. I have a £200,000 asset wasting away, will not be using main roads, and so am prepared to risk a fine of dubious legality. The question is whether Drakeford really has legal powers to impose one. His statements so far suggest that he is justifying legal sanctions on tourists travelling into Wales on the grounds that they wouldn't have a valid reason to travel in England either until 12th April. But I will not be a tourist and will have a valid reason to travel within England, so what are the legal powers?
    From my other link. Yes, should be OK to maintain it.

    "I do not live in Wales, can I travel to Wales, or from within the UK, for a holiday or to visit family and friends?

    In general no. Travel into Wales is not allowed without a reasonable excuse, for example, travelling for work purposes. Visiting family and friends or having a holiday is not currently considered a reasonable excuse.

    If you are considering travelling to Wales from within the UK, you will need to ensure that you follow the rules where you live."
    Yes, if the cottage is a business, then the journey is work related. I would take documentation showing that it is a commercial let, that you are the owner, take no recreational things, tools and maintenance equipment, be discreet and not socialise with other people.
    That WG link I posted earlier specifixcally considers the case in discussion - the rules may have changed very recently.,
    There is considerable resentmento holiday home owners in parts of Wales, and as said previosly, the locals are quite ready to have a word in these circumstances
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Top ten days for total vaccinations:

    20/03 846k
    19/03 743k
    26/03 695k
    18/03 661k
    30/01 604k
    17/03 583k
    24/03 580k
    13/03 565k
    25/03 559k
    06/02 552k
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    eek said:

    justin124 said:

    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.

    You position that you wish to receive a £1000 fine for being stupid - yep that seems fair.
    No I will complete a form when presented - as received by residents in Wales.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Floater said:
    Jezza will be leading the charge to free the Facebook One.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772

    IanB2 said:

    This time tomorrow it’ll be 4.15pm, the most appropriate time for a cup of tea.

    Summertime is coming. Are you ready?

    I think we've a long way to go before Summer. A repeat of last year's Spring is not, sadly. coming to help us.

    Forecast for next two weeks: cold, warm, warm, warm-ish, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold, cold.

    The best that can be said is it looks dry. I imagine cold AND pissing with rain will start on April 12th.
    I sometimes get annoyed* at the explicit value judgements that are often in a typical weather forecast, where a forecaster often talks about the weather "improving", or "good" weather. Your comment makes me realise that there is scope to provide two different forecasts for the same weather. One which is relentlessly upbeat, determined to wring the most optimistic interpretation, and one delivered by a determined Eeyore, able to make the most out of the slightest hint of cloud.

    * Rarely these days, with so many better things to be annoyed about.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    justin124 said:

    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.

    You're unlikely to get a visit. There are numerous indications that the recruitment agency - which left everything to the last minute - has fucked up sending out contracts and at the moment there are very few field staff.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    eek said:

    I think I can see my Nvidia 3090 from here.....

    BBC News - Suez Canal: Fresh effort to refloat wedged container ship
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56550350

    Did you not get my message yesterday?
    I didn't. Thanks for letting me know. I need a 3090 or when it comes 3080Ti (presuming rumoured specs are true).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    At least half of Scotland would be likely to ignore UDI by continuing to follow Westminster.

    East Lothian should be a good prospect for Labour next time.

    Even assuming that I wanted to, how would I continue to follow Westminster?

    Whether my PAYE taxes would be paid to Holyrood would be a matter for my employer, potentially the courts and the police. I've no idea what would happen with my savings and bank account if a newly independent Scotland decided they had to be converted to Scottish Pounds, but presumably this becomes another issue determined by the courts and the banks, and with no regard to my wishes, if I was going to decide to somehow pledge my allegiance to Westminster instead.

    It's a damn long drive to the nearest English hospital if I decide to follow Westminster and avoid using the healthcare system of a unilaterally independent Scotland. I'm not going to get far if I try to insist that the local supermarket starts to follow Westminster licensing laws to sell me alcohol early in the morning, instead of the Scottish laws, etc.
    But many of those employed by public organisations - Healthcare, Police, Schools etc - would be likely to ignore additional rules and regulations deemed by Westminster to be unlawful.
    Would they, with their jobs on the line?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,859
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:
    I think we've all had that realisation at some point.

    Edit: About ourselves I mean.
    Spoilt a terrific comment with that edit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2021
    Leon said:

    Editor of Teen Vogue, 27, sacked for racist tweets she did when was.... 17. For which she has already apologised

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/america-has-lost-ability-forgive/618336/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=2021-03-19T21:56:30&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_campaign=the-atlantic

    They weren't violently racist, just crude and silly


    Are we really going to destroy people for social media they did in their TEENS? Ten years later?

    All those progressives saying, cancel culture, what cancel culture....is this lady now effectively banned from her chosen field for life, despite being now having a reputation for being about as woke as possible.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    Gadfly said:

    .

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Maybe they're trying to do the Gaelic pronunciation?

    "Alba (English: /ˈælbə/) is the Scottish Gaelic name (pronounced [ˈal̪ˠapə]) for Scotland."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba
    Which would be logical, given it's a Gaelic word.

    Nothing annoys me more than people who mispronounce words in Welsh using English phonetics (apart from teenagers who chew gum in lessons, obviously).
  • I hope Lawrence Stroll put an early break clause into Vettel's contract...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    1st / 2nd / total
    Dec 1216679 12516 1229195
    Jan 8079688 481693 8561381
    Feb 10979084 321607 11300691
    Mar 9451984 2477701 11929685 (So far)

    2nd doses due to the end of April : 11263310
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    At least half of Scotland would be likely to ignore UDI by continuing to follow Westminster.

    East Lothian should be a good prospect for Labour next time.

    Even assuming that I wanted to, how would I continue to follow Westminster?

    Whether my PAYE taxes would be paid to Holyrood would be a matter for my employer, potentially the courts and the police. I've no idea what would happen with my savings and bank account if a newly independent Scotland decided they had to be converted to Scottish Pounds, but presumably this becomes another issue determined by the courts and the banks, and with no regard to my wishes, if I was going to decide to somehow pledge my allegiance to Westminster instead.

    It's a damn long drive to the nearest English hospital if I decide to follow Westminster and avoid using the healthcare system of a unilaterally independent Scotland. I'm not going to get far if I try to insist that the local supermarket starts to follow Westminster licensing laws to sell me alcohol early in the morning, instead of the Scottish laws, etc.
    But many of those employed by public organisations - Healthcare, Police, Schools etc - would be likely to ignore additional rules and regulations deemed by Westminster to be unlawful.
    Would they, with their jobs on the line?
    But some of their employers would refuse to follow Holyrood. In essence, it would lead to administrative chaos and civil strife!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    At least half of Scotland would be likely to ignore UDI by continuing to follow Westminster.

    East Lothian should be a good prospect for Labour next time.

    Even assuming that I wanted to, how would I continue to follow Westminster?

    Whether my PAYE taxes would be paid to Holyrood would be a matter for my employer, potentially the courts and the police. I've no idea what would happen with my savings and bank account if a newly independent Scotland decided they had to be converted to Scottish Pounds, but presumably this becomes another issue determined by the courts and the banks, and with no regard to my wishes, if I was going to decide to somehow pledge my allegiance to Westminster instead.

    It's a damn long drive to the nearest English hospital if I decide to follow Westminster and avoid using the healthcare system of a unilaterally independent Scotland. I'm not going to get far if I try to insist that the local supermarket starts to follow Westminster licensing laws to sell me alcohol early in the morning, instead of the Scottish laws, etc.
    But many of those employed by public organisations - Healthcare, Police, Schools etc - would be likely to ignore additional rules and regulations deemed by Westminster to be unlawful.
    Would they, with their jobs on the line?
    I would have thought the more pertinent question is, 'would they, after 14 years of recruitment policy driven by the SNP's criteria?'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296
    ydoethur said:

    Gadfly said:

    .

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Maybe they're trying to do the Gaelic pronunciation?

    "Alba (English: /ˈælbə/) is the Scottish Gaelic name (pronounced [ˈal̪ˠapə]) for Scotland."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba
    Which would be logical, given it's a Gaelic word.

    Nothing annoys me more than people who mispronounce words in Welsh using English phonetics (apart from teenagers who chew gum in lessons, obviously).
    It may be a Gaelic word, but it is also a Latin word, which became an English word, and it seems to refer to England
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    eek said:

    I think I can see my Nvidia 3090 from here.....

    BBC News - Suez Canal: Fresh effort to refloat wedged container ship
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56550350

    Did you not get my message yesterday?
    I didn't. Thanks for letting me know. I need a 3090 or when it comes 3080Ti (presuming rumoured specs are true).
    Would still ring them to see what they have in stock. Not sure why you would want the 3080ti as supposedly it's only getting 12gb.
  • justin124 said:

    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.

    You are just being silly and looking at £1,000 fine
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,859

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Gaelic v. Scottish pronunciation, there's already a cultural appropriation micro storm in a quaich.

    Fwiw I think the Gaelic would be closer to Allipa but willing to be corrected.
    I watched his CH4 interview yesterday and Alex kept doing both pronunciations one after the other. I think he might be better deciding which to major on because to my ear it rather got in the way of his flow.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited March 2021
    justin124 said:

    eek said:

    justin124 said:

    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.

    You position that you wish to receive a £1000 fine for being stupid - yep that seems fair.
    No I will complete a form when presented - as received by residents in Wales.

    Personally I would fine you first. All you had to do was ring up and ask for one.

    And all you are doing by being awkward is cost people time and effort.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    'Seems' being the operative word in your myopic view. In point of fact, our vaccination rate increased from 0.49 doses per 100 per day on March 12 to a high of 0.88 on March 21 and 0.85 as of March 25.
    Skipping over the steady decline from late Jan to mid March
    "The long promised March ramping"

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited March 2021
    eek said:

    eek said:

    I think I can see my Nvidia 3090 from here.....

    BBC News - Suez Canal: Fresh effort to refloat wedged container ship
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56550350

    Did you not get my message yesterday?
    I didn't. Thanks for letting me know. I need a 3090 or when it comes 3080Ti (presuming rumoured specs are true).
    Would still ring them to see what they have in stock. Not sure why you would want the 3080ti as supposedly it's only getting 12gb.
    I don't really, I need 24gb of RAM, but I could just about manage with 12gb at a push. <10gb isn't enough.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,296

    Leon said:

    Editor of Teen Vogue, 27, sacked for racist tweets she did when was.... 17. For which she has already apologised

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/america-has-lost-ability-forgive/618336/?utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_term=2021-03-19T21:56:30&amp;utm_content=edit-promo&amp;utm_campaign=the-atlantic

    They weren't violently racist, just crude and silly


    Are we really going to destroy people for social media they did in their TEENS? Ten years later?

    All those progressives saying, cancel culture, what cancel culture....is this lady now effectively banned from her chosen field for life, despite being now having a reputation for being about as woke as possible.
    Revolutions devouring their own. Apparently she was a bit of a canceller herself.

    And now it seems one of the people cancelling HER has used the N word on social media many years ago, so the canceller who cancelled the canceller who cancelled someone else, is now getting cancelled.


    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1373617405843361792?s=20
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,627

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Top ten days for total vaccinations:

    20/03 846k
    19/03 743k
    26/03 695k
    18/03 661k
    30/01 604k
    17/03 583k
    24/03 580k
    13/03 565k
    25/03 559k
    06/02 552k
    Given the weekly cycle, looking at weeks for vaccinations might be more useful

    Vaccinations Week
    1,675,046 4
    2,322,399 5
    2,461,518 6
    2,666,189 7
    2,680,378 8
    2,227,174 9
    2,535,549 10
    2,197,988 11
    2,294,163 12
    3,762,075 13
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Gadfly said:

    .

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    There's a 2nd jabs crunch coming up in the second half of April where we'll need 450k a day to stay within 12 weeks.

    From now till then is 250k/day. The reality is we'll probably do more quicker as we're running at a 70 day gap, not 84 day gap

    Gap time is as follows right now

    Scotland 67 days
    N Ireland 70 days
    England 73 days
    Wales 56 days !

    I’ve been flagging this for ages. The long promised March ramping up seems to have consisted of a single day that topped January’s record vaccination total.

    Meanwhile, on topic, is there a mysterious pronunciation of Alba that is passing us English Brits by? The BBC seems to be pronouncing it ‘Allaba’ on the news.
    Maybe they're trying to do the Gaelic pronunciation?

    "Alba (English: /ˈælbə/) is the Scottish Gaelic name (pronounced [ˈal̪ˠapə]) for Scotland."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alba
    Which would be logical, given it's a Gaelic word.

    Nothing annoys me more than people who mispronounce words in Welsh using English phonetics (apart from teenagers who chew gum in lessons, obviously).
    It may be a Gaelic word, but it is also a Latin word, which became an English word, and it seems to refer to England
    No, it's a Celtic word adopted by the Romans.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    IanB2 said:

    This time tomorrow it’ll be 4.15pm, the most appropriate time for a cup of tea.

    Summertime is coming. Are you ready?

    Tea works well at most other times. In fact tea works at all times.

    Cucumber sandwiches are the thing that only work at 4:15 in the afternoon. By 4:16 the crust have gone a bit.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Today I have received a reminder letter from the Census Office! It repeats the information given earlier whilst adding that someone from ONS may visit me. My position remains unchanged.

    You are just being silly and looking at £1,000 fine
    Very unlikely unless presented with a form which I refuse to fill in. Happy to go to Court - were it to get that far!
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