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The Scottish independence movement may have just gone all People’s Front of Judea v. Judean People’s

SystemSystem Posts: 12,168
edited March 2021 in General
The Scottish independence movement may have just gone all People’s Front of Judea v. Judean People’s Front – politicalbetting.com

BREAKING: Alex Salmond launching new party to stand at Holyrood election – Alba Party Mr Salmond one of four candidates announced today More now @BBCNews

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  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    1st
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Could Alba get its first Westminster MP today?
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Labour is making decent progress compared to where it was in 2019.

    YouGov had a much smaller gap on the economy than I was expecting.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221
    edited March 2021
    Ground Floor.

    And 3 dungeons holding ne'er do wells.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    "SNPlitters!"
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Paging Germany

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1375429182965043203
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,870
    Alba gu Brath!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,221
    Wondering how this may impact the Greens.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    Carnyx said:

    Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Could Alba get its first Westminster MP today?

    Joanna Cherry?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,990
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Alba gu Brath!

    Alba gu Bath!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    MattW said:

    Wondering how this may impact the Greens.

    Hardly at all. Kids still won't eat them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    edited March 2021
    Looking forward to a Tory/Labour/LD coalition in Scotland after the election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    I'm so excited.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,905
    Are there any policy differences between Alba and the SNP?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    I think Salmond should have called his party the Caledonian Union of Nationalists Trusts Salmond party.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Carnyx said:

    Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Could Alba get its first Westminster MP today?

    Or could she revive her plan of trying to move to Holyrood? If she were near the top of the Alba list, might she not have a good chance?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    A SNP/Alba coalition would be fun.

    Sturgeon as First Minister and Salmond as Deputy First Minister, because 2020 was sooooo boring.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    ClippP said:

    Are there any policy differences between Alba and the SNP?

    Yes, of course. The principal one being whether Alex Salmond should be put in the stocks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,201
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm so excited.

    I know, I know...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS6eUIpwwds
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    This is very funny.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carnyx said:

    Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Could Alba get its first Westminster MP today?

    Joanna Cherry?
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Carnyx said:

    Hmm, that's an interesting thought. Could Alba get its first Westminster MP today?

    Or could she revive her plan of trying to move to Holyrood? If she were near the top of the Alba list, might she not have a good chance?
    Dunno. (Honestly. There's more than one possibility open to JC.) If she did go for Alba it depends which regional list. And AFAIK Craig Murray is already at the top of the Edinburgh one.

  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Sore Alba!
  • TresTres Posts: 2,702
    Going list only must be a smart move, helps the pro-independence movement mop up the 2nd votes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    ClippP said:

    Are there any policy differences between Alba and the SNP?

    Yes, of course. The principal one being whether Alex Salmond should be put in the stocks.
    Or Sturgeon on the gallows.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    How many Sturgeonistas are actually going to vote Alba? Any of their women voters?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,990
    Fpt
    ping said:

    I’ve taken the 5/1 on snp less than 60 seats.

    I expect to lose it, but with war declared in Judea, it seems like a value bet...

    Dunno if that's good value or not but the most recent projections have the SNP gaining a majority on constituency seats alone. Assuming Salmond's party isn't a giant SNP wrecking operation, he'll be explicitly recommending indy voters should vote SNP for the constituency, so...

    Just a thought.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1375069419626446850?s=20

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    The downside, I had spent the better part of the last fortnight doing a deep dive into the Holyrood polling, I had planned to publish it last weekend but two polls were released minutes before I was going to publish, so I decided to hang fire and publish it this weekend.

    Now all that hard work and it has been wasted because of this announcement.

    Grrr @ Alex Salmond.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    is there a GIF of Jo Swinson watching the launch?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Did he say how he came up with the name? Is it perhaps a contraction of Alex and bastard?

    Or perhaps it is a short version of "Albania" which is what will become of the Scottish economy if they get independence?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    One thing I was wondering is if Salmond damages the SNP to the extent it pushes their votes to stay at home/vote elsewhere or just vote in the list for Alba, which would be bad for the SNP/Scottish independence movement.

    Any televised featuring Salmond and Sturgeon has the potential to get very very messy.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,702
    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,990
    Scott_xP said:

    is there a GIF of Jo Swinson watching the launch?

    Far too busy being pm.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    ping said:

    I’ve taken the 5/1 on snp less than 60 seats.

    I expect to lose it, but with war declared in Judea, it seems like a value bet...

    Dunno if that's good value or not but the most recent projections have the SNP gaining a majority on constituency seats alone. Assuming Salmond's party isn't a giant SNP wrecking operation, he'll be explicitly recommending indy voters should vote SNP for the constituency, so...

    Just a thought.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1375069419626446850?s=20

    The other very much germane point is that Mr Salmond has no hope in hell of becoming FM even in a minority government. So there's no fear of voting him into power.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    A SNP/Alba coalition would be fun.

    Sturgeon as First Minister and Salmond as Deputy First Minister, because 2020 was sooooo boring.

    And maybe with Tommy Sheridan as Minister for Social Integration?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,746
    Tres said:

    Going list only must be a smart move, helps the pro-independence movement mop up the 2nd votes.

    Seems to me the entire Salmond-Sturgeon spat is fabricated cover for 'splitting' the SNP and mopping up more list seats. Genius :wink:
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    It's not about flags...

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1375458400352485378
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    My question is, why don't they all vote Green anyway? If they're voting SNP-SNP they really don't understand the system very well. So if anything, this will may just split the Green list vote, which would only reduce the number of pro-independence MSPs.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375458608566112260
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    You're not thinking this through.

    See what Chameleon and I said on the last thread.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    tlg86 said:

    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    My question is, why don't they all vote Green anyway? If they're voting SNP-SNP they really don't understand the system very well. So if anything, this will may just split the Green list vote, which would only reduce the number of pro-independence MSPs.
    Some people won't vote Green - the SGs are very woke and having a transgender war of their own, which has lost them Andy Wightman (one of the best MSPs on the radical side with his land reform work).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,448
    I do like TSE's idea in th header of a Sturgeon vs Salmond debate, though. One could probably sell tickets!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375458608566112260

    Lol. Such an amusingly petulant statement.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    I now believe there is the chance of a Unionist majority at Holyrood in May for the first time.

    If Alba only get say 4-5% on the list and split the Green and SNP list vote that could lead to more Unionists being elected on the list with Alba barely electing any list MSPs themselves
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    Indeed. SNP first vote, Alba second vote, would really maximise the pro-independence majority in Holyrood.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,671
    edited March 2021
    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    Maybe all parties need to split into Constituency and List versions?

    Conservatives and Unionists, Liberals and Democrats, etc etc.

    Or does it not quite work like that?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,702
    Casino_Royale said:

    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    You're not thinking this through.

    See what Chameleon and I said on the last thread.
    The smarter Nats have been thinking through a way of gaming the list vote for years. You couldn't have designed it better.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375458608566112260

    Interesting comment on Salmond's conduct and his appropriateness to return to public office. If Salmond is guiltless he is going to have to sue surely?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,990
    tlg86 said:

    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    My question is, why don't they all vote Green anyway? If they're voting SNP-SNP they really don't understand the system very well. So if anything, this will may just split the Green list vote, which would only reduce the number of pro-independence MSPs.
    Contrary to perceptions, people do have other motives for voting in Scotland. I know several folk who think their Green list vote represents them more closely than their constituency vote for the SNP.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Casino_Royale said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375458608566112260

    Lol. Such an amusingly petulant statement.
    They might as well have just put “Aw fuck”
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    Flatlander said:

    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    Maybe all parties need to split into Constituency and List versions?

    Conservatives and Unionists, Liberals and Democrats, etc etc.
    They already have. See Mr Murray, HYUFD, etc. The Unionist Party has been split into SLAB, ScoTories, SLD from the start, with the parliament voting system specifically designed to take advantage of that back in 1997.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    ping said:

    I’ve taken the 5/1 on snp less than 60 seats.

    I expect to lose it, but with war declared in Judea, it seems like a value bet...

    Dunno if that's good value or not but the most recent projections have the SNP gaining a majority on constituency seats alone. Assuming Salmond's party isn't a giant SNP wrecking operation, he'll be explicitly recommending indy voters should vote SNP for the constituency, so...

    Just a thought.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1375069419626446850?s=20

    Not on the poll earlier in the month though and that is more likely with Unionist tactical voting

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1374413276122025987?s=20
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited March 2021
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713

    Yep, that's the idea, and it would work well for one, maybe two elections.. Then what happens when the list party starts getting a bit too big for its' boots and wants some of those constituency seats?

    Salmond has never been a man that's struck me as happy being second fiddle.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    tlg86 said:

    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    My question is, why don't they all vote Green anyway? If they're voting SNP-SNP they really don't understand the system very well. So if anything, this will may just split the Green list vote, which would only reduce the number of pro-independence MSPs.
    The Greens and he SNP are strange bedfellows. The SNP spent decades building their case for independence on "Scottish" oil. Are the Scottish Greens in favour of closing the oil fields down in a post independence utopia?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    I now believe there is the chance of a Unionist majority at Holyrood in May for the first time.

    If Alba only get say 4-5% on the list and split the Green and SNP list vote that could lead to more Unionists being elected on the list with Alba barely electing any list MSPs themselves

    That's cute. 😂

    Only recently you were saying that Galloway's throw your vote away party was going to lead to a Unionist majority.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    Chameleon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713

    Yep, that's the idea, and it would work well for one, maybe two elections.. Then what happens when the list party starts getting a bit too big for its' boots and wants some of those constituency seats?
    Who's worrying? If they win independence it'll all get reorganised anyway.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1375460690161508352
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,990
    edited March 2021
    HYUFD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    ping said:

    I’ve taken the 5/1 on snp less than 60 seats.

    I expect to lose it, but with war declared in Judea, it seems like a value bet...

    Dunno if that's good value or not but the most recent projections have the SNP gaining a majority on constituency seats alone. Assuming Salmond's party isn't a giant SNP wrecking operation, he'll be explicitly recommending indy voters should vote SNP for the constituency, so...

    Just a thought.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1375069419626446850?s=20

    Not on the poll earlier in the month though and that is more likely with Unionist tactical voting

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1374413276122025987?s=20
    Earlier in the month is the important bit in your post. There haven't actually been any polls taken since Sturgeon crushed her enemies into the dust was cleared so I'd wait on them if I were you.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    I'd dearly like to believe this is the moment it starts to crash down around the Sindy cause, but I've been burnt before.

    Greens mostly likely affected?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    edited March 2021
    kle4 said:

    I'd dearly like to believe this is the moment it starts to crash down around the Sindy cause, but I've been burnt before.

    Greens mostly likely affected?

    Yes, the Vegan Branch of the SNP will be most upset by this news.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Theuniondivvie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Fpt

    ping said:

    I’ve taken the 5/1 on snp less than 60 seats.

    I expect to lose it, but with war declared in Judea, it seems like a value bet...

    Dunno if that's good value or not but the most recent projections have the SNP gaining a majority on constituency seats alone. Assuming Salmond's party isn't a giant SNP wrecking operation, he'll be explicitly recommending indy voters should vote SNP for the constituency, so...

    Just a thought.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1375069419626446850?s=20

    Not on the poll earlier in the month though and that is more likely with Unionist tactical voting

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1374413276122025987?s=20
    Earlier in the month is the important bit in your post. There haven't actually been any polls taken since Sturgeon crushed her enemies into the dust was cleared so I'd wait on them if I were you.
    Doesn't look like she didn't crush the fat toady looking bloke. Crushing him may need a lot of dust lol.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    One thing I was wondering is if Salmond damages the SNP to the extent it pushes their votes to stay at home/vote elsewhere or just vote in the list for Alba, which would be bad for the SNP/Scottish independence movement.

    Any televised featuring Salmond and Sturgeon has the potential to get very very messy.

    Presumably this is one thing that won't happen? The Salmond vehicle is brand new, therefore a minor party. It won't be invited to debates.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    The problem for Nippy is that Eck will be a much less reliable supplicant than Patrick Harvie
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375458608566112260

    Interesting comment on Salmond's conduct and his appropriateness to return to public office. If Salmond is guiltless he is going to have to sue surely?
    People say politician X is unsuitable for public office all the time, I doubt that's actionable.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,671
    Carnyx said:

    Flatlander said:

    Tres said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    I'd have just loved to have secretly bugged Nicola Sturgeon's room to hear all the swear words over the last 30 minutes.

    Why would she swear? All those pro-Union top up seats are now in danger.
    Maybe all parties need to split into Constituency and List versions?

    Conservatives and Unionists, Liberals and Democrats, etc etc.
    They already have. See Mr Murray, HYUFD, etc. The Unionist Party has been split into SLAB, ScoTories, SLD from the start, with the parliament voting system specifically designed to take advantage of that back in 1997.
    Well, yes, if you see them as the same party, but they aren't. Does Alba actually have different policies?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375461498357743622
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1375460162136342532
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    Did he say how he came up with the name? Is it perhaps a contraction of Alex and bastard?

    Or perhaps it is a short version of "Albania" which is what will become of the Scottish economy if they get independence?

    Tsk. Everyone knows it's an allusion to the ancient citadel of Alba Longa founded by Aeneas' son Ascanius.

    Alternatively it could just be Gaelic. But that hardly seems likely...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375460964481568774
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375461498357743622

    Seems fair enough, though he may have left it a bit late.

    Farage was able to get BXP onto the European Parliament debates.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375461498357743622

    Called it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd dearly like to believe this is the moment it starts to crash down around the Sindy cause, but I've been burnt before.

    Greens mostly likely affected?

    Yes, the Vegan Branch of the SNP will be most upset by this news.
    Shame. I see Guido (yes yes, I know) speculates it could mean even more Sindy MSPs.

    Would be typical - SNP finally rupture (well, a little) and it could still help them!

    No justice in this world sometimes.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1375460162136342532

    Is that reverse psychology from Ross? If they SCons say don't vote for him, will that ensure a proper SNP split?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Incredible batting right now. 🏏

    Three sixes on the bounce by Stokes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    https://twitter.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/1375461286901915660
  • PoodleInASlipstreamPoodleInASlipstream Posts: 253
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713

    Yes, there is the possibility this is bad news for unionists. Anyone who changes their vote from SNP/SNP to SNP/Alba effectively adds an extra vote to the separatist cause and may increase the number of indy supporting MSPs - which seems to be what Salmond is aiming for. How many will do that is open to question; my firm belief is that most Scots voters don't really understand the voting system and will just vote twice for their preferred party unless that party is list-only.

    But it may also be good news, in the long term. The shit-slinging between the Salmond and Sturgeon factions is not going to stop any time soon, it'll probably get worse as SNP people defect to Alba and become 'traitors'. And there's the interesting prospect of Salmond demanding Sturgeon's head as the price for supporting the SNP in parliament if he holds the balance of power.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    It seems to me that you shouldn't be allowed to only stand for list seats.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    One thing I was wondering is if Salmond damages the SNP to the extent it pushes their votes to stay at home/vote elsewhere or just vote in the list for Alba, which would be bad for the SNP/Scottish independence movement.

    Any televised featuring Salmond and Sturgeon has the potential to get very very messy.

    Surely this idea of a super majority means people who vote SNP will need to vote Alba on the list.

    And they already hate Salmond.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    kle4 said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375458608566112260

    Interesting comment on Salmond's conduct and his appropriateness to return to public office. If Salmond is guiltless he is going to have to sue surely?
    People say politician X is unsuitable for public office all the time, I doubt that's actionable.
    I think it might be. The inference is there from that statement. The only reason why he might be considered unsuitable would be if the "conduct" is unethical in some way. Nicola has also apologised to the women who made the accusations. Why would one apologise to people if you believed Salmond's version that they were conspirators?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,533
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375461498357743622

    WWE might broadcast it?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    https://twitter.com/bnhw_/status/1375461477834973184

    That's a pretty wild set of potential effects, and I'd have thought 6% isn't too high a bar.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd dearly like to believe this is the moment it starts to crash down around the Sindy cause, but I've been burnt before.

    Greens mostly likely affected?

    Yes, the Vegan Branch of the SNP will be most upset by this news.
    Shame. I see Guido (yes yes, I know) speculates it could mean even more Sindy MSPs.

    Would be typical - SNP finally rupture (well, a little) and it could still help them!

    No justice in this world sometimes.
    But we might get the comedy of FM Sturgeon and Deputy First Minister Salmond, that could screw up the independence movement.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392
    Scott_xP said:

    The problem for Nippy is that Eck will be a much less reliable supplicant than Patrick Harvie

    The problem for Nippy is that she won't be able to procrastinate when it comes to asking for a referendum. She won't have anywhere to head as Alec and co sing "why are we waiting"
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,990
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713

    Isn't that just a case in point that predictions of extremely efficient tactical voting are always overdone?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1375460162136342532

    Also probably the right message as it does set the tone for potential infighting well beyond the election
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713

    Isn't that just a case in point that predictions of extremely efficient tactical voting are always overdone?
    If they got roughly 1 in 8 of the yes list votes it would be 8 list seats , 1 in 2 would give them 24 list seats
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/bnhw_/status/1375461477834973184

    That's a pretty wild set of potential effects, and I'd have thought 6% isn't too high a bar.

    Almost exclusively from the Unionist parties.

    And again why Galloway's rabble are hurting the Unionist cause too, because they haven't the slighest chance of getting 6%
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,200
    My snap reaction to this is it was surely expected and it boosts the Sindy cause. The new party standing only for the PR section means the election will probably return more Indy supporting MSPs than would otherwise be the case. So a pro-Indy majority seems nailed on.

    Then there's the view held by some that Sturgeon is not serious about Indy and just likes being 1st Minister. Ok, so if that's true, having Salmond back with some bite will force her to really focus on it. And if it's not true, which I kind of think it isn't, she'll be going for it anyway and having Salmond on board ought to add not detract from the effort.

    The one caveat to this is if Salmond is acting out of pure desire to "get" Sturgeon. If he is, and he does well and becomes influential, we could see these 2 formidable politicians consumed in a battle with each other whilst Sindy sits around and whistles.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd dearly like to believe this is the moment it starts to crash down around the Sindy cause, but I've been burnt before.

    Greens mostly likely affected?

    Yes, the Vegan Branch of the SNP will be most upset by this news.
    Shame. I see Guido (yes yes, I know) speculates it could mean even more Sindy MSPs.

    Would be typical - SNP finally rupture (well, a little) and it could still help them!

    No justice in this world sometimes.
    Has it taken Guido until now to understand how the system worked.

    The Scottish Greens have thrived on the design of this electoral system and if Alba can explain why people need to split their votes (which will be difficult to do without tacit SNP support) then I do think the independence parties will have 60% + of the seats.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,201
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375461498357743622

    What, like.. "Think of the ratings" ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,657
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/bnhw_/status/1375461477834973184

    That's a pretty wild set of potential effects, and I'd have thought 6% isn't too high a bar.

    https://twitter.com/bnhw_/status/1375462924144275458
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,533
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Very interesting thread why this announcement is excellent news for the independence movement.

    https://twitter.com/George_Simkin/status/1375453412372979713

    Isn't that just a case in point that predictions of extremely efficient tactical voting are always overdone?
    It also doesn't look great to be advocating a vote for the party so tainted that you have just set up a new party to oppose it. We English will never understand Scottish politics.

    Are there any independence supporters on PB who support both parties?

  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1375461498357743622

    Called it.
    No doubt he would like it broadcast on RT.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Any Cricket fan put the Cricket on if you can. This is ridiculously good batting from Stokes.

    England almost 100 runs ahead of India at this stage. 😲🏏
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Stokes is a monster, I love it. Hes gotten 45 from 10 balls.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    I'm not sure chaos helps the Indy cause given who is currently in charge at Holyrood. This appears to be chaos.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    @malcolmg - will you be voting SNP-Alba or just Alba on the list?
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