The US and China have administered the highest number of doses, 107 million and 53 million respectively.
I am surprised China is so low. I fully expected them to rush through as many vaccine candidates as possible and then use their enormous state power to ramp up massive vaccine production and go around compelling whole towns to be vaccinated in a week.
Isn't China's relatively slow roll out down to them being very cautious that mass vaccination sites/rollouts don't become superspreader events?
I can't believe that is the reason, as a) very little covid in China and b) they have been happy to do mass testing of whole cities where millions line up to get tested over the course of a few days.
If you are happy to do that level of testing with all those people standing there for hours, you would be to do the same for vaccinations.
And again China can compel their population to do exactly what it asks i.e. no I would like to book my jab for a week on Tues, can I have 2pm....they can just repeat how they did lockdown, building #67, building #67, you will be jabbed now.
The US and China have administered the highest number of doses, 107 million and 53 million respectively.
I am surprised China is so low. I fully expected them to rush through as many vaccine candidates as possible and then use their enormous state power to ramp up massive vaccine production and go around compelling whole towns to be vaccinated in a week.
China's vaccination program is a story that's hasn't been followed up.
Lack of bio-tech industrial infrastructure? or what?
Glad to see that this has been picked up publicly, it's something that I've been tracking for over a month now, the figures are absolutely amazing and this is with only 3% of adults having had both doses. Two weeks from now that figure goes up to 15% lowering the CFR to zero for vulnerable groups.
Glad to see that this has been picked up publicly, it's something that I've been tracking for over a month now, the figures are absolutely amazing and this is with only 3% of adults having had both doses. Two weeks from now that figure goes up to 15% lowering the CFR to zero for vulnerable groups.
What gap are you using for case number to death numbers?
The US and China have administered the highest number of doses, 107 million and 53 million respectively.
I am surprised China is so low. I fully expected them to rush through as many vaccine candidates as possible and then use their enormous state power to ramp up massive vaccine production and go around compelling whole towns to be vaccinated in a week.
Isn't China's relatively slow roll out down to them being very cautious that mass vaccination sites/rollouts don't become superspreader events?
I can't believe that is the reason, as a) very little covid in China and b) they have been happy to do mass testing of whole cities where millions line up to get tested over the course of a few days.
If you are happy to do that level of testing with all those people standing there for hours, you would be to do the same for vaccinations.
And again China can compel their population to do exactly what it asks i.e. no I would like to book my jab for a week on Tues, can I have 2pm....they can just repeat how they did lockdown, building #67, building #67, you will be jabbed now.
In some ways China’s vaccination programme has been a victim of the success of its containment policies. Rapid interventions last year brought the pandemic under control and saw case numbers tumble, reducing the incentive to get vaccinated.
At the same time, the failure of vaccine manufacturers Sinopharm, Sinovac and CanSino to release comprehensive trial data has damaged confidence among some medical professionals, while many Chinese citizens are choosing to see first whether the vaccinations provoke unwanted side effects for others.
“In China today there is very little upside for anyone to take the vaccine,” said Chen Long, partner at Beijing-based research company Plenum. “What that all means is a very slow opening of borders.”...
...Age restrictions on the use of the Sinopharm and Sinovac shots have also slowed the rollout. Both vaccines are recommended only for people in good health aged 18 to 59, which automatically excludes those who would most want a jab. Instead the government has focused on vaccinating those likely to spread the virus, such as taxi drivers.
At this rate, analysts estimate it will take well into 2022 to vaccinate most of the population.
The result here is going to be genuinely close, a lot will depend on the candidates chosen by the two main contenders, and any high-profile others such as Tice - as opposed to national political swings.
A great opportunity for the government to win a by-election gain, which doesn’t happen very often.
The pressure will be on Starmer if Labour lose the seat though, especially if they also lose control of Wales, overshadowing a successful night at the locals.
A comfortable win for Sadiq Khan could end up looking like the sole shining beacon of hope for Labour.
I think that makes him one to watch for future leader of the Labour Party.
Nah, the King of the North, Andy Burnham, is the one to watch.
I didn’t know he was a Percy?
A friend sent me this as a Christmas present because he thought I'd love wearing a t shirt with the face of an Everton loving socialist on it.
The US and China have administered the highest number of doses, 107 million and 53 million respectively.
I am surprised China is so low. I fully expected them to rush through as many vaccine candidates as possible and then use their enormous state power to ramp up massive vaccine production and go around compelling whole towns to be vaccinated in a week.
Isn't China's relatively slow roll out down to them being very cautious that mass vaccination sites/rollouts don't become superspreader events?
I can't believe that is the reason, as a) very little covid in China and b) they have been happy to do mass testing of whole cities where millions line up to get tested over the course of a few days.
If you are happy to do that level of testing with all those people standing there for hours, you would be to do the same for vaccinations.
And again China can compel their population to do exactly what it asks i.e. no I would like to book my jab for a week on Tues, can I have 2pm....they can just repeat how they did lockdown, building #67, building #67, you will be jabbed now.
In some ways China’s vaccination programme has been a victim of the success of its containment policies. Rapid interventions last year brought the pandemic under control and saw case numbers tumble, reducing the incentive to get vaccinated.
At the same time, the failure of vaccine manufacturers Sinopharm, Sinovac and CanSino to release comprehensive trial data has damaged confidence among some medical professionals, while many Chinese citizens are choosing to see first whether the vaccinations provoke unwanted side effects for others.
“In China today there is very little upside for anyone to take the vaccine,” said Chen Long, partner at Beijing-based research company Plenum. “What that all means is a very slow opening of borders.”...
...Age restrictions on the use of the Sinopharm and Sinovac shots have also slowed the rollout. Both vaccines are recommended only for people in good health aged 18 to 59, which automatically excludes those who would most want a jab. Instead the government has focused on vaccinating those likely to spread the virus, such as taxi drivers.
At this rate, analysts estimate it will take well into 2022 to vaccinate most of the population.
But that suggest they have lack of supply...otherwise they wouldn't need to do that. And the only good for up to 59 year olds, a) didn't they use any oldies in their trials and b) i fully expected China to say greater good is deems we need to give it to those most at risk.
Their reaction to everything covid so far as been extreme and "for the greater good"...from welding people in their own homes to siezing how production facilities thay produced medical supplies that were bound for export.
Presumably just wind given last time they threatened us, they were quitely reminded they need us to send them the raw materials to keep the Pfizer factory going.
So we can send them to Italy to have them chucked in the bin ?
What are the death/hospitalisation rates there? This morning on the radio someone from Italy was bemoaning the fact that Italy was about to go into lockdown ie shops and bars shut only open for takeaway. Like us for the past and next three months.
I think that might shock all the twatterati who seem to think the Boris is akin to Mussolini.
What is interesting is we are seeing quite a big variation in Labour's number across recent polls, anywhere from low to high 30s. Where as Tories are firmly 42-45 range.
The Greens have been polling high in recent polls. Wonder whether there is a small but sizeable chunk of Labour's left who are disappointed with Starmer and have decamped over there. Long-term, that might be troublesome (thinking Greens-SPD in Germany)
Nonsense. Would Boris and the team around him allow them to make nationalistic hay from it and shore themselves up (labour in Wales) politically if that was the truth?
The EU isn't producing any vaccines. Companies based in the EU are, and are fulfilling their legal contracts.
Perhaps the US and UK "will reflect on whether exports of raw materials to countries that have blocked the export of vaccines to us is still proportionate"
I think that might shock all the twatterati who seem to think the Boris is akin to Mussolini.
What is interesting is we are seeing quite a big variation in Labour's number across recent polls, anywhere from low to high 30s. Where as Tories are firmly 42-45 range.
The Greens have been polling high in recent polls. Wonder whether there is a small but sizeable chunk of Labour's left who are disappointed with Starmer and have decamped over there. Long-term, that might be troublesome (thinking Greens-SPD in Germany)
And that it is the Greens who eventually become (long term) the party of the left. If Labour's voters are increasingly urban, middle-class professionals (as well as minorities who might be less open to the message), that should be favourable territory for the Greens.
I think that might shock all the twatterati who seem to think the Boris is akin to Mussolini.
What is interesting is we are seeing quite a big variation in Labour's number across recent polls, anywhere from low to high 30s. Where as Tories are firmly 42-45 range.
The Greens have been polling high in recent polls. Wonder whether there is a small but sizeable chunk of Labour's left who are disappointed with Starmer and have decamped over there. Long-term, that might be troublesome (thinking Greens-SPD in Germany)
And that it is the Greens who eventually become (long term) the party of the left. If Labour's voters are increasingly urban, middle-class professionals (as well as minorities who might be less open to the message), that should be favourable territory for the Greens.
Quite. Labour is an analogue party in a digital world
Nonsense. Would Boris and the team around him allow them to make nationalistic hay from it and shore themselves up (labour in Wales) politically if that was the truth?
You really cannot identify a 'tongue in cheek' comment can you
Everyone criticises Labour for taking their "heartlands" for granted however the same could very well happen to the Conservatives. All this attention on the "red wall" could very well lead, in the long run, to traditional Conservative seats thinking that the Party is now for urban town dwellers and not for them. Especially if Brexit ends up being a negative for agriculture etc.
Not something likely to happen in the near future but it's certainly a possibility in the long run. It's difficult juggling multiple competing priorities.
Absolutely. The LibDems will come back...
Because they forgot their coat on the way out?
The Tories have been losing their heartlands too. The suburban middle class have been drifting away from them for years. 40 years ago seats like Sheffield Hallam, Leeds North West, Birmingham Edgbaston would have been safely in the blue column.
A point which has been disguised by them being in the ascendancy. Former heartlands further out such as Altrincham, Macclesfield, Wycombe, etc would be competitive on an even national vote share. Part of the ebb and flow.
The Tory heartlands are in reasonable shape, as instanced by the fact that you can drive fairly easily from Land's End to the outskirts of Edinburgh without leaving Tory held seats. (The possible routes are an interesting tour of the country). You can't do this when Labour's heartlands are in reasonable shape!
But that's just a function of Labour seats being much smaller than Tory ones.
And you might not be able do that in the event of a hypothetical election which leaves Tory and Labour even in terms of votes and seats. Such an election might leave an unbroken chain of Labour seats from the Humber to the Mersey. (Actually, on second thoughts, Brigg and Goole would probably be the winning chink in the Tories chain there.) Maybe we should abandon FPTP and move to a Blockbusters-style approach to determining a winner.
Of course it is, but it also shows how Labour have lost the entire rural country (and there is a lot of it - much more than urbanites think) and have shrunk in scale and ambition.
Suspend IP...they are f##king insane...that full fat Corbyn....the pharmaceutical companies must be wondering if the EU have been drinking the China koolaid.
He added: "It's not coincidental that the vaccine programme worked the way it did.
"It's not coincidental that to do that we had to take it out of the Department of Health," he added.
It is no coincidence that the vaccine programme worked well because it didn't go to Dom's mates like some of the Covid contracts did?
Is that what he means?
Whilst the PPE contracts went to Hancock’s mates? You are missing the point here, Dom’s mates are more competent at delivering than Hancock’s mates - that’s what the country needs, that’s what the fight against COVID needed, not nepotism, competent nepotism.
Suspend IP...they are f##king insane...that full fat Corbyn....the pharmaceutical companies must be wondering if the EU have been drinking the China koolaid.
I suspect a lot of pharma companies will be looking at this and seriously considering relocation if they go ahead and do this.
My god, just imagine for a minute the UK was still in the EU and having to.go along with dictator VDL threatening IP rights.
Remember all that screeching about the UK could breach international law over the NI protocol as if the UK was proposing mass murder, that is like been caught speeding compared to what VDL has openly just proposed.
O/T thanks for the heads up on the over-50s being able to book their vaccines now, can't remember who posted it. My missus has booked hers this morning.
She's a few years older than me, so I have to wait a bit longer...
Everyone criticises Labour for taking their "heartlands" for granted however the same could very well happen to the Conservatives. All this attention on the "red wall" could very well lead, in the long run, to traditional Conservative seats thinking that the Party is now for urban town dwellers and not for them. Especially if Brexit ends up being a negative for agriculture etc.
Not something likely to happen in the near future but it's certainly a possibility in the long run. It's difficult juggling multiple competing priorities.
Absolutely. The LibDems will come back...
Because they forgot their coat on the way out?
The Tories have been losing their heartlands too. The suburban middle class have been drifting away from them for years. 40 years ago seats like Sheffield Hallam, Leeds North West, Birmingham Edgbaston would have been safely in the blue column.
A point which has been disguised by them being in the ascendancy. Former heartlands further out such as Altrincham, Macclesfield, Wycombe, etc would be competitive on an even national vote share. Part of the ebb and flow.
The Tory heartlands are in reasonable shape, as instanced by the fact that you can drive fairly easily from Land's End to the outskirts of Edinburgh without leaving Tory held seats. (The possible routes are an interesting tour of the country). You can't do this when Labour's heartlands are in reasonable shape!
But that's just a function of Labour seats being much smaller than Tory ones.
And you might not be able do that in the event of a hypothetical election which leaves Tory and Labour even in terms of votes and seats. Such an election might leave an unbroken chain of Labour seats from the Humber to the Mersey. (Actually, on second thoughts, Brigg and Goole would probably be the winning chink in the Tories chain there.) Maybe we should abandon FPTP and move to a Blockbusters-style approach to determining a winner.
Of course it is, but it also shows how Labour have lost the entire rural country (and there is a lot of it - much more than urbanites think) and have shrunk in scale and ambition.
Your point about 'much more than urbanites think' is a salient one.
My god, just imagine for a minute the UK was still in the EU and having to.go along with dictator VDL threatening IP rights.
Remember all that screeching about the UK could breach international law over the NI protocol as if the UK was proposing mass murder, that is like been caught speeding compared to what VDL has openly just proposed.
Did anyone really think that in the months following Brexit the UK would appear to be the calm and competent one?
The reality is much closer to the Richard Feynman line that no-one is that much smarter.
Feynman said that? Really? Where?
Every single story that Feynman ever told in his popular books made Feynman look a great genius and everyone else an idiot.
Like SeanT stories.
Feynman is SeanT for scientists.
I came across the line in James Gleick's biography of RPF, "Genius". It's in a section musing on the link between genius and discovery- someone had written to Feynman asking a "what if X hadn't lived and Y hadn't been discovered?" question. Feynman's reply was that that was an odd question; the individual isn't the key unit of scientific advance. When something becomes needed, someone from the largeish pool of sufficiently bright people will be on the case. His work on the atom bomb may have helped form that view. I guess the development of mRNA vaccines into something useful over the last year is a bit like that.
Complex character though- whoever came up with "all genius all buffoon" seems (to me) to have nailed it. Incredible integrity about the scientific process, even if it didn't spread much further.
Ah, thanks. I read someone else's copy of "Genius" twenty years ago, but I did not like it much so don't have a personal copy.
I really recommend "Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track: The Letters of Richard P. Feynman".
It has many wonderful letters to Feynman and his response; heartbreaking letters to Arlene, enthusiastic ones to young students, perceptive ones to colleagues.
And funny ones like Feynman responding to letters like:
Raymond Rogers, Dec 17th, 1965
Dear Richard Feyman,
I watched and listened to you on TV tonight and was amazed at your colossal ignorance and smugness ...
My god, just imagine for a minute the UK was still in the EU and having to.go along with dictator VDL threatening IP rights.
Remember all that screeching about the UK could breach international law over the NI protocol as if the UK was proposing mass murder, that is like been caught speeding compared to what VDL has openly just proposed.
Did anyone really think that in the months following Brexit the UK would appear to be the calm and competent one?
I didn't. I have to confess. The europeans seem to have collectively lost their minds.
Looks like a sensible solution to the nurse pay row - a flat bonus is progressive as it's larger for the lower paid and doesn't creep up year on year as a pay rise would. Reckon NHS England might go for this.
Nonsense. Would Boris and the team around him allow them to make nationalistic hay from it and shore themselves up (labour in Wales) politically if that was the truth?
You really cannot identify a 'tongue in cheek' comment can you
Being outside for work or "recreation" is now allowed whilst maintaining social distancing. It's probably arguable that what they're doing is within the Covid laws...
I think that might shock all the twatterati who seem to think the Boris is akin to Mussolini.
What is interesting is we are seeing quite a big variation in Labour's number across recent polls, anywhere from low to high 30s. Where as Tories are firmly 42-45 range.
The Greens have been polling high in recent polls. Wonder whether there is a small but sizeable chunk of Labour's left who are disappointed with Starmer and have decamped over there. Long-term, that might be troublesome (thinking Greens-SPD in Germany)
Anecdotally, when I was actually allowed into my university to talk to students and the like (e.g. 2015, 2017 and 2019 elections) the students and some of the post-docs had more enthusiasm for the Greens than for Labour. They would have mostly voted Green if the Greens had had a serious chance of winning the seat. FPTP makes it pretty unlikely that will happen though - the Greens would need to pick up some more seats to show it's possible and build momentum, then several university seats could potentially come into play.
Almost wonder whether it's worth bumping Caroline Lucas over to target number two (wherever that is) and getting someone else to run in and hopefully* hold Brighton Pavilion.
My god, just imagine for a minute the UK was still in the EU and having to.go along with dictator VDL threatening IP rights.
Remember all that screeching about the UK could breach international law over the NI protocol as if the UK was proposing mass murder, that is like been caught speeding compared to what VDL has openly just proposed.
You could argue that, if the UK was still in the EU, that it would be able to have a positive impact and prevent things like this, and the deal with China, from happening.
My god, just imagine for a minute the UK was still in the EU and having to.go along with dictator VDL threatening IP rights.
Remember all that screeching about the UK could breach international law over the NI protocol as if the UK was proposing mass murder, that is like been caught speeding compared to what VDL has openly just proposed.
You could argue that, if the UK was still in the EU, that it would be able to have a positive impact and prevent things like this, and the deal with China, from happening.
Looks like a sensible solution to the nurse pay row - a flat bonus is progressive as it's larger for the lower paid and doesn't creep up year on year as a pay rise would. Reckon NHS England might go for this.
Where to start on this historically illiterate comment? Who funded Einstein's early work? The Patent Office?
Hmm, I think he's probably right. There is definitely an unnecessary safety first approach, especially in the public sector.
Newton would be governor of the Bank of England, Einstein would be at Imperial or Cambridge, and Turing CTO of a startup recently acquired by Softbank.
Yes, and their discoveries and advancements would be lost to the UK economy and everything offshored.
Newton wouldn't be governor of the Bank of England - too much a techie. He'd be some kind of tame quant, probably heading their Research Dept.
Newton did have a job as Master of the Royal Mint...
Being outside for work or "recreation" is now allowed whilst maintaining social distancing. It's probably arguable that what they're doing is within the Covid laws...
From what I've read legal observers have no special status whatsoever. To the law they are just members of the public, in this case engaging in a proscribed activity.
Glad to see that this has been picked up publicly, it's something that I've been tracking for over a month now, the figures are absolutely amazing and this is with only 3% of adults having had both doses. Two weeks from now that figure goes up to 15% lowering the CFR to zero for vulnerable groups.
What gap are you using for case number to death numbers?
We decided on 23 days for everyone over 60 and 31 days for everyone under. It's crude but works for us to look at the trend.
Being outside for work or "recreation" is now allowed whilst maintaining social distancing. It's probably arguable that what they're doing is within the Covid laws...
From what I've read legal observers have no special status whatsoever. To the law they are just members of the public, in this case engaging in a proscribed activity.
What's the proscribed activity? Protesting?
They're not protesting.
They're allowed to be outside for recreation. You could probably argue what they are doing is "recreation", perhaps.
The UK must have received the majority of its Pfizer order at this point, so less dependent on that one supplier.
Given the relatively small number of second doses we've done I'd have thought we would still have a lot of Pfizer second doses to do - but some of them will be in the country.
Being outside for work or "recreation" is now allowed whilst maintaining social distancing. It's probably arguable that what they're doing is within the Covid laws...
From what I've read legal observers have no special status whatsoever. To the law they are just members of the public, in this case engaging in a proscribed activity.
What's the proscribed activity? Protesting?
They're not protesting.
They're allowed to be outside for recreation. You could probably argue what they are doing is "recreation", perhaps.
Protesting isn't the illegal activity. Gathering is.
Looks like a sensible solution to the nurse pay row - a flat bonus is progressive as it's larger for the lower paid and doesn't creep up year on year as a pay rise would. Reckon NHS England might go for this.
It’s not progressive is it? It’s sneaky electioneering. It’s heavily taxed so they won’t get what everyone thinks they are getting, it’s a one off so poor substitute for pay rise. It should be rightly rejected as taking the p***
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If you are happy to do that level of testing with all those people standing there for hours, you would be to do the same for vaccinations.
And again China can compel their population to do exactly what it asks i.e. no I would like to book my jab for a week on Tues, can I have 2pm....they can just repeat how they did lockdown, building #67, building #67, you will be jabbed now.
Still makes me chuckle she tried to pull that over on the voters.
1st dose 2nd dose
17,385 16,202
700k UK equivalent
Lack of bio-tech industrial infrastructure? or what?
No blood clot yet.
At the same time, the failure of vaccine manufacturers Sinopharm, Sinovac and CanSino to release comprehensive trial data has damaged confidence among some medical professionals, while many Chinese citizens are choosing to see first whether the vaccinations provoke unwanted side effects for others.
“In China today there is very little upside for anyone to take the vaccine,” said Chen Long, partner at Beijing-based research company Plenum. “What that all means is a very slow opening of borders.”...
...Age restrictions on the use of the Sinopharm and Sinovac shots have also slowed the rollout. Both vaccines are recommended only for people in good health aged 18 to 59, which automatically excludes those who would most want a jab. Instead the government has focused on vaccinating those likely to spread the virus, such as taxi drivers.
At this rate, analysts estimate it will take well into 2022 to vaccinate most of the population.
https://www.ft.com/content/58ca570e-38ee-404f-90f5-57c21c458058
He added: "It's not coincidental that the vaccine programme worked the way it did.
"It's not coincidental that to do that we had to take it out of the Department of Health," he added.
Or even a Lannister.....
Is that what he means?
Have I said that before?
Their reaction to everything covid so far as been extreme and "for the greater good"...from welding people in their own homes to siezing how production facilities thay produced medical supplies that were bound for export.
Something doesn't quite add up. Perhaps issues scaling production?
Perhaps the US and UK "will reflect on whether exports of raw materials to countries that have blocked the export of vaccines to us is still proportionate"
Did the EU just threaten to nuke the US???
Go on say it - "you will not flinch from....."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY&ab_channel=Jmagunda
Remember all that screeching about the UK could breach international law over the NI protocol as if the UK was proposing mass murder, that is like been caught speeding compared to what VDL has openly just proposed.
She's a few years older than me, so I have to wait a bit longer...
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1372162203604901898?s=20
Law and order could be Labour's winner IMHO
I really recommend "Perfectly Reasonable Deviations from the Beaten Track: The Letters of Richard P. Feynman".
It has many wonderful letters to Feynman and his response; heartbreaking letters to Arlene, enthusiastic ones to young students, perceptive ones to colleagues.
And funny ones like Feynman responding to letters like:
Raymond Rogers, Dec 17th, 1965
Dear Richard Feyman,
I watched and listened to you on TV tonight and was amazed at your colossal ignorance and smugness ...
Looks like a sensible solution to the nurse pay row - a flat bonus is progressive as it's larger for the lower paid and doesn't creep up year on year as a pay rise would.
Reckon NHS England might go for this.
It is getting production up to capacity at existing plants. Starting production at other plants would take a non-trivial amount of time.
https://twitter.com/petemuntean/status/1372155789259984899?s=20
Almost wonder whether it's worth bumping Caroline Lucas over to target number two (wherever that is) and getting someone else to run in and hopefully* hold Brighton Pavilion.
*losing that being, of course, the big risk
Instead, we've lost our influence.
https://www.royalmint.com/discover/uk-coins/sir-isaac-newton/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW-ScmGRMA
They're not protesting.
They're allowed to be outside for recreation. You could probably argue what they are doing is "recreation", perhaps.
PB Tories: Drakeford must not be praised for the vaccine rollout in Wales!