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And so to Sunak’s budget starting with an announcement that parts of the Treasury are moving to Darl

SystemSystem Posts: 12,168
edited March 2021 in General
And so to Sunak’s budget starting with an announcement that parts of the Treasury are moving to Darlington – politicalbetting.com

? SCOOP: The Treasury is going to Darlington. Rishi Sunak will announce in the Budget the northern town be home to the ministry’s first office outside of London.Officials fought hard for Leeds/Newcastle, but Sunak ultimately sided with red wall Tories.https://t.co/ICmHAjhheG

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    First like the bookies.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    edited March 2021
    According to my analysis, more than 90 per cent of the intubated, most seriously ill patients always had a migrant background,' he said.

    'We agreed among ourselves that we should describe these people as 'patients with communications barriers'. We don't seem to be getting through to them.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320323/Coronavirus-Germany-90-severely-ill-patients-migrant-background.html

    Its a man locally known as Dave again...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    edited March 2021
    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397
    On topic

    Yippee - trouble is people will now know why I like where I live - hint our communication links are better than almost anywhere else.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    What bet Boris immediately references Sturgeon when he gets an SNP question?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    Hah me too, his questioning at the start of the pandemic was far better. Just a poor set of questions today. More difficult job I guess when it's all going a bit better.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    Yemen Questions
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    I always forget, does he respond to Dishy Rishi later or is it the invisible womxn?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    I always forget, does he respond to Dishy Rishi later or is it the invisible womxn?
    Starmer.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    I always forget, does he respond to Dishy Rishi later or is it the invisible womxn?
    Starmer. Dodds will respond to the autumn/spring statements.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,598
    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's been playing big on the BBC.

    'nuff said.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,548
    edited March 2021

    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    I always forget, does he respond to Dishy Rishi later or is it the invisible womxn?
    Starmer.

    I must admit I have never understood why this is the case but traditionally the LotO responds to the Chancellor rather than the Shadow Chancellor
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    I always forget, does he respond to Dishy Rishi later or is it the invisible womxn?
    Starmer. Dodds will respond to the autumn/spring statements.
    The response will be the same....too slow, i called for this already, not enough money being spent....
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's been playing big on the BBC.

    'nuff said.
    Has it? I wouldn't know as since Covid became the only story I've not watched the news in months.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Jesus - Shagger pointing out that Starmer isn't raising "the issues of the hour" but instead is banging on about Yemen.

    Nice dig from Mr Speaker after Boris refers to the budget - "I think we already know most of it"

    I don't like that. PM is there to answer the questions put to him whether he thinks they are the right ones or not.
    That's true, but it's a standard PM dodge unfortunately.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    According to my analysis, more than 90 per cent of the intubated, most seriously ill patients always had a migrant background,' he said.

    'We agreed among ourselves that we should describe these people as 'patients with communications barriers'. We don't seem to be getting through to them.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320323/Coronavirus-Germany-90-severely-ill-patients-migrant-background.html

    Its a man locally known as Dave again...

    90% is an extraordinary statistic
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mane I'm tuning into PMQs for the first time in ages, Starmer really is so awful. He's really giving softball questions to Boris about foreign aid.

    Hah me too, his questioning at the start of the pandemic was far better. Just a poor set of questions today. More difficult job I guess when it's all going a bit better.
    Also when you don't really have a coherent alternative to propose.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this

    Salmond was on the offensive, a wronged man with a grievance. Sturgeon is playing defense, a woman with questions to evade. Her solitary aim is survival
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083

    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this

    She only worked as a solicitor for 3-4 years, before a life in politics, so not really long enough to develop the lawyerly skills that we all hate so much.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    I'm seriously worried about corporate taxes rising. If the chancellor makes this shirt sighted move it's going to hurt the economy in the long term. Ignore the IFS, ignore "economists" and lower it to 15% and introduce gigantic or unlimited R&D and capital investment allowances.

    We need to grow our way out of this, not push up taxes.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this

    She was a solicitor not an advocate. There's a reason people choose one side of the profession or another.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    bad guys in Top Gun?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    edited March 2021
    Leon said:

    According to my analysis, more than 90 per cent of the intubated, most seriously ill patients always had a migrant background,' he said.

    'We agreed among ourselves that we should describe these people as 'patients with communications barriers'. We don't seem to be getting through to them.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320323/Coronavirus-Germany-90-severely-ill-patients-migrant-background.html

    Its a man locally known as Dave again...

    90% is an extraordinary statistic
    I am not sure it really is 90%, it sounds more finger in the air counting. More that again, Germany can't call a spade a spade (hope that isnt racist), even when it is causing them trouble.

    Where as here, it does seem the overt recording and push on targeting ethnic minority groups for extra push during the vaccine roll out is seeing results of increasing the uptake.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,598

    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this

    Sturgeon having to wade through the treacle of her past actions and pronouncements.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,921
    Has Boris really just discovered what the N in SNP stands for?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Oh she is on the ropes here
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    Leon said:

    According to my analysis, more than 90 per cent of the intubated, most seriously ill patients always had a migrant background,' he said.

    'We agreed among ourselves that we should describe these people as 'patients with communications barriers'. We don't seem to be getting through to them.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320323/Coronavirus-Germany-90-severely-ill-patients-migrant-background.html

    Its a man locally known as Dave again...

    90% is an extraordinary statistic
    I am not sure it really is 90%, it sounds more finger in the air counting. More that again, Germany can't call a spade a spade (hope that isnt racist), even when it is causing them trouble.
    If it is 90% I would seriously wonder if there is some genetic explanation.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Ode to the Chancellor this pre-Budget afternoon:

    His name is Sunak
    Oh, Rishi Sunak
    Please make me happy
    This Budget Day.

    Your coke addiction:
    A sad affliction
    Please don't take
    My higher-rate pension tax relief
    Away.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,822
    Leon said:

    According to my analysis, more than 90 per cent of the intubated, most seriously ill patients always had a migrant background,' he said.

    'We agreed among ourselves that we should describe these people as 'patients with communications barriers'. We don't seem to be getting through to them.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320323/Coronavirus-Germany-90-severely-ill-patients-migrant-background.html

    Its a man locally known as Dave again...

    90% is an extraordinary statistic
    I just clicked on that. What a horrible website. Things flashing, adverts coming in from the side, little videos you need to swap away like persistent wasps. Horrible.

    Anyway, the story - I wonder what the equivalent figure is here? Certainly last summer it appeared that the geography of positive tests were highly correlated with percentages of South Asian communities. Can't be anything like 90%, though?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,921
    Harry Dunn -- tragic but HMG would do better to take concrete measures like stopping US personnel importing left-hand-drive cars.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    He is right though. It might be the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world but most people have got more pressing matters to worry about at home.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,598

    Harry Dunn -- tragic but HMG would do better to take concrete measures like stopping US personnel importing left-hand-drive cars.

    Or at least, never drive them off base.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    No it isn't. The greatest humanitarian crisis in in China where the state is exterminating Uighur people in concentration camps by forcible insemination of women by rape.

    Honestly, everything else pales in comparison.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    DougSeal said:

    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this

    She was a solicitor not an advocate. There's a reason people choose one side of the profession or another.
    They didn't go to public school?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    No it isn't. The greatest humanitarian crisis in in China where the state is exterminating Uighur people in concentration camps by forcible insemination of women by rape.

    Honestly, everything else pales in comparison.
    This one is impacted directly by a UK government decision. Some conservatives have been against that, I think it was probably worth raising, but it sounds like he devoted too many questions to it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,476

    Harry Dunn -- tragic but HMG would do better to take concrete measures like stopping US personnel importing left-hand-drive cars.

    Or at least, never drive them off base.
    Do all military bases in foreign lands drive on 'their own' side? Do British bases in Germany drive on the left?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,921
    Endillion said:

    Ode to the Chancellor this pre-Budget afternoon:

    His name is Sunak
    Oh, Rishi Sunak
    Please make me happy
    This Budget Day.

    Your coke addiction:
    A sad affliction
    Please don't take
    My higher-rate pension tax relief
    Away.

    As an unemployed six litres a week man, I'd rather have Rishi exempt Coke from the sugar tax, a bit like the way budgets traditionally exempted Scotch when they ramped up duties on fags and booze.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Sturgeon struggling here
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Deputy Convenor is nailing Sturgeon
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    There's also the war in the Congo, which you never hear about in the West, but has killed millions over the last couple of decades.

    But Mike is right that Yemen is a huge humanitarian tragedy, even if there are arguably bigger ones out there.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    No it isn't. The greatest humanitarian crisis in in China where the state is exterminating Uighur people in concentration camps by forcible insemination of women by rape.

    Honestly, everything else pales in comparison.
    You seem an uncaring very selfish person.
    Other people do care about the terrible situation there.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    There's also the war in the Congo, which you never hear about in the West, but has killed millions over the last couple of decades.

    But Mike is right that Yemen is a huge humanitarian tragedy, even if there are arguably bigger ones out there.
    And yet if you ask the voters they'll say "where's Yemen?". Labour is completely out of touch.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    Turns on Sky, two ladies arguing among selves for 5 minutes, not questioning Sturgeon.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    And the convenor saves Sturgeon .... for now
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,476

    Endillion said:

    Ode to the Chancellor this pre-Budget afternoon:

    His name is Sunak
    Oh, Rishi Sunak
    Please make me happy
    This Budget Day.

    Your coke addiction:
    A sad affliction
    Please don't take
    My higher-rate pension tax relief
    Away.

    As an unemployed six litres a week man, I'd rather have Rishi exempt Coke from the sugar tax, a bit like the way budgets traditionally exempted Scotch when they ramped up duties on fags and booze.
    I'd do your body a favour and come off it. It's weakening your bones from the inside. Have a piece of fruit every time you get a sugar craving - that's actually what your body is asking for.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Floater said:

    And the convenor saves Sturgeon .... for now

    That was quite a moment. Very bad for Sturgeon
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    Will be interesting to see how many civil servants, and to what level, this Northern Treasury will consist of.
    I suspect a number of relatively junior positions with their managers shuttling back and forth to take their orders from Whitehall.
    And living and spending in Northallerton or even Barnard Castle.
    Hope not. But expect so.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    edited March 2021
    Which side are we on in Yemen, the Hadis or the Houthis ?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    The war in Yemen has killed a quarter of a million. The pandemic has killed ten times that but globally. The difference is the fact that the war has a concentrated death toll in one country that is also suffering the pandemic's effects. It is, therefore, appropriate to ask questions about reducing aid there.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,083
    So how much more of the magic money forest gets cut down....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Pulpstar said:

    Which side are we on in Yemen, the Haddis or the Houthis ?

    Whichever side wants to pay more money for our weapons, at a guess.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,598
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    There's also the war in the Congo, which you never hear about in the West, but has killed millions over the last couple of decades.

    But Mike is right that Yemen is a huge humanitarian tragedy, even if there are arguably bigger ones out there.
    Yemen is a terrible war in a fascinating country. Its misfortune is to be the Belgium of our times, the battleground for two strands of Islam fighting it out through Saudi and Iran and their proxies.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,429
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    There's also the war in the Congo, which you never hear about in the West, but has killed millions over the last couple of decades.

    But Mike is right that Yemen is a huge humanitarian tragedy, even if there are arguably bigger ones out there.
    I’m not minimizing Yemen, it’s hideous. But Covid-19 dwarfs everything by an order of magnitude
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    I'm seriously worried about corporate taxes rising. If the chancellor makes this shirt sighted move it's going to hurt the economy in the long term. Ignore the IFS, ignore "economists" and lower it to 15% and introduce gigantic or unlimited R&D and capital investment allowances.

    We need to grow our way out of this, not push up taxes.

    100% agreed.

    Tax cuts not tax rises please Rishi!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,532
    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    You're mistaken. Loads of people care about impending mass starvation and a long-running war that we continue to support with weapon exports after even the US has withdrawn its backing. It was, after all, one of the earliest actions taken by Biden. You shouldn't assume that everyone is preoccupied with BTL landlords or whatever, just because you mau be.

    Are most people worried about it? No, not least as it gets little media coverage. But objectively it's much more important than, say, whether Sunak extends the stamp duty holiday, because hundreds of thousands of lives are at risk.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Pulpstar said:

    Which side are we on in Yemen, the Hadis or the Houthis ?

    Whichever side is backed by the Saudis rather than the Iranians, I think?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    Don't be honest lol, last thing we need :D
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    So how much more of the magic money forest gets cut down....

    Covid19 is the biggest crisis in the entire world since World War Two.

    Imagine if people were talking about the "magic money forest" in World War Two.

    We need to grow back from this. A year or two is the time to think about tax rises, not now, tax cuts now.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    The war in Yemen has killed a quarter of a million. The pandemic has killed ten times that but globally. The difference is the fact that the war has a concentrated death toll in one country that is also suffering the pandemic's effects. It is, therefore, appropriate to ask questions about reducing aid there.
    Why should the UK be the only country supplying aid there?

    We'll still be the leading aid donor there. Other countries need to step up to the plate too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    Like all this use of "percent", saves on mentions of million and billion
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Ridiculously pessimistic OBR forecast growth figures. Don't believe them for a second.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    For someone who used to be a lawyer Sturgeon sounds surprisingly heavy footed

    Salmond was much slicker than this

    It's obviously in the eye of the beholder. Salmond to me looked and sounded grubby. If Gannex raincoats still existed I'd suggest he modelled them. Nicola by contrast seemed sharp and to me believable. I say that as someone who used to be a fan of Salmond
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    If you're on furlough in August, time to look for another job tbh
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    The war in Yemen has killed a quarter of a million. The pandemic has killed ten times that but globally. The difference is the fact that the war has a concentrated death toll in one country that is also suffering the pandemic's effects. It is, therefore, appropriate to ask questions about reducing aid there.
    Why should the UK be the only country supplying aid there?

    We'll still be the leading aid donor there. Other countries need to step up to the plate too.
    That's a legitimate question to ask. Another legitimate question is why we shouldn't step up to the plate to make up for said deficiency elsewhere.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    The war in Yemen has killed a quarter of a million. The pandemic has killed ten times that but globally. The difference is the fact that the war has a concentrated death toll in one country that is also suffering the pandemic's effects. It is, therefore, appropriate to ask questions about reducing aid there.
    Why should the UK be the only country supplying aid there?

    We'll still be the leading aid donor there. Other countries need to step up to the plate too.
    That's a legitimate question to ask. Another legitimate question is why we shouldn't step up to the plate to make up for said deficiency elsewhere.
    Because we're already at the plate. Alone.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    The war in Yemen has killed a quarter of a million. The pandemic has killed ten times that but globally. The difference is the fact that the war has a concentrated death toll in one country that is also suffering the pandemic's effects. It is, therefore, appropriate to ask questions about reducing aid there.
    Why should the UK be the only country supplying aid there?

    We'll still be the leading aid donor there. Other countries need to step up to the plate too.
    That's a legitimate question to ask. Another legitimate question is why we shouldn't step up to the plate to make up for said deficiency elsewhere.
    Simply, why should we?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    It's the greatest humanitarian crisis in our world! As PM putdowns of Opposition Leaders at #PMQs go, this is among the worst.

    It also shows what a shallow person you are
    Er, no offense Mike, but I think COVID, which has killed millions, and caused the greatest global economic and social emergency since World War 2, is a bigger humanitarian crisis than Yemen.
    The war in Yemen has killed a quarter of a million. The pandemic has killed ten times that but globally. The difference is the fact that the war has a concentrated death toll in one country that is also suffering the pandemic's effects. It is, therefore, appropriate to ask questions about reducing aid there.
    Why should the UK be the only country supplying aid there?

    We'll still be the leading aid donor there. Other countries need to step up to the plate too.
    That's a legitimate question to ask. Another legitimate question is why we shouldn't step up to the plate to make up for said deficiency elsewhere.
    Because we're already at the plate. Alone.
    That's not true. We may be one of (perhaps the) biggest donor but other countries and the EU have made contributions. You have a point but you weaken it by over-egging it.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397

    Ridiculously pessimistic OBR forecast growth figures. Don't believe them for a second.

    Plan for the best, prepare for the worst.

    Twas always the best idea.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    Endillion said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Which side are we on in Yemen, the Hadis or the Houthis ?

    Whichever side is backed by the Saudis rather than the Iranians, I think?
    Don't take sides. Just pull a sadface and say " ... but suffering"
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    Floater said:
    Someone watched that Danish submarine murder doc.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    The Houthis slogan appears to be "God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam"

    Oh. I get it now!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    eek said:

    Ridiculously pessimistic OBR forecast growth figures. Don't believe them for a second.

    Plan for the best, prepare for the worst.

    Twas always the best idea.
    4% growth this year and 1.6% in 2023 is really the worst possible.

    Setting the floor low to clear it easily in future years it seems.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397
    dixiedean said:

    Will be interesting to see how many civil servants, and to what level, this Northern Treasury will consist of.
    I suspect a number of relatively junior positions with their managers shuttling back and forth to take their orders from Whitehall.
    And living and spending in Northallerton or even Barnard Castle.
    Hope not. But expect so.

    Plenty of nice places on the way to Northallerton but far fewer heading west towards Barnie.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Hmm, not sure about increasing the minimum wage in this environment. Hospitality is going to struggle as it is, higher wages will make that tougher.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Won't make major headlines but lifetime thalidomide commitment is good, incredible no Chancellor had done that sooner. It was never realistic it would be pulled so be honest and sign it off.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    The Treasury in Darlington? Great choice.

    Hartlepool 's holding out for the Home Office. Pritti can bring back hanging in a historical setting.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, not sure about increasing the minimum wage in this environment. Hospitality is going to struggle as it is, higher wages will make that tougher.

    Indeed, we're almost certainly in the opposite of the situation where I think it should go up (high immigration and low unemployment).
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397
    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, not sure about increasing the minimum wage in this environment. Hospitality is going to struggle as it is, higher wages will make that tougher.

    I think that's a smaller change than was supposed to be made.

    The plan was to hit £10 sooner rather than latter but I'll need to hunt for the details.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,702
    MaxPB said:

    Fucking hell just shut the fuck about Yemen. No one gives a flying fuck about it.

    Won't someone not think of the children.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, not sure about increasing the minimum wage in this environment. Hospitality is going to struggle as it is, higher wages will make that tougher.

    The environment is 2 months before an unusually high number of elections. Probably played a part.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, not sure about increasing the minimum wage in this environment. Hospitality is going to struggle as it is, higher wages will make that tougher.

    Presumably the calculation is that the benefit to the great mass of people subsisting on minimum wage crapjobs outweighs the negative consequences for the smaller number who end up being laid off as a consequence?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397
    Roger said:

    The Treasury in Darlington? Great choice.

    Hartlepool 's holding out for the Home Office. Pritti can bring back hanging in a historical setting.

    That's it for the Tees Valley. Nowhere else has the communication links required.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    Remember those election campaigns when the question was
    "How will you pay for it all?"
    Nah. Me neither.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    eek said:

    Ridiculously pessimistic OBR forecast growth figures. Don't believe them for a second.

    Plan for the best, prepare for the worst.

    Twas always the best idea.
    4% growth this year and 1.6% in 2023 is really the worst possible.

    Setting the floor low to clear it easily in future years it seems.
    Lockdown supporter in 'refusal to believe the shattering effects of lockdown' shock.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397

    MaxPB said:

    Hmm, not sure about increasing the minimum wage in this environment. Hospitality is going to struggle as it is, higher wages will make that tougher.

    Presumably the calculation is that the benefit to the great mass of people subsisting on minimum wage crapjobs outweighs the negative consequences for the smaller number who end up being laid off as a consequence?
    Also if 20p an hour or £7 a week is significantly important to a business - it's not that profitable anyway...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,203
    Help to pump up the housing market even more lol
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    And the tax rises?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    Mortgage guarantee scheme. I'd like to see the detail of it.

    Now we get to the tax rises. Feel like this is going to be horrific.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    eek said:

    Ridiculously pessimistic OBR forecast growth figures. Don't believe them for a second.

    Plan for the best, prepare for the worst.

    Twas always the best idea.
    4% growth this year and 1.6% in 2023 is really the worst possible.

    Setting the floor low to clear it easily in future years it seems.
    Lockdown supporter in 'refusal to believe the shattering effects of lockdown' shock.
    Lockdown is ending. We're not going to be in lockdown in 2023.

    So its being out of lockdown we're talking about, not being in lockdown. 🙄
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,421
    dixiedean said:

    Will be interesting to see how many civil servants, and to what level, this Northern Treasury will consist of.
    I suspect a number of relatively junior positions with their managers shuttling back and forth to take their orders from Whitehall.
    And living and spending in Northallerton or even Barnard Castle.
    Hope not. But expect so.

    I once worked for a civil service organisation that was relocated out of the South East.

    The senior managers were moved first, so that they could buy the best houses before prices had increased too much. Then everyone else was moved, and so plenty of them had to buy the houses they could afford now that they were doing so after the market had closed the gap with where they were relocating from.

    It did at least have the advantage of minimising the loss of senior managers, so the organisation didn't suffer from the move - as I've heard of happening with other relocations.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    How does a mortgage guarantee work? If house prices fall and the bank dips out on a repossession, the tax payer makes up the difference?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    Roger said:

    The Treasury in Darlington? Great choice.

    Hartlepool 's holding out for the Home Office. Pritti can bring back hanging in a historical setting.

    If only he'd announce Street is being turned in to a big Poundland just for you
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    MaxPB said:

    Mortgage guarantee scheme. I'd like to see the detail of it.

    Now we get to the tax rises. Feel like this is going to be horrific.

    Agreed. Its been rather generous so far.....
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