Is Sturgeon going to survive? – politicalbetting.com
When the bookies start opening markets on your survival then you know that a political leader is in trouble. Ladbrokes now make it 7/4 that she will be out this year following the latest revelations over the Salmond affair.
Depressingly, I've just worked out how much I've paid in rent for my box room in East London. Accounting for inflation, it's roughly twice the deposit my grandfather paid in 1965 for a suburban 4 bedroom house.
Living in the non-posh bits of London used to be quite cheap until about 1986, from what I've read. That was the year the capital suddenly became fashionable again, after about 15 years on the slide.
It didn't happen suddenly imo, but it really didn't stop for a long time. I think the real boost was the Blair/Brown period.
I was offered a one bed modest 400 sqft flat in a 1870s brick block in the quiet part of the City (just into Hackney) behind Wesley's Chapel for about 100k (70k but would need 15k extend lease + 15k to refurb) in very late 1990s. Called Victoria Chambers - I always thought it was a Victorian slum clearance -> workers flats project. All the streets are named after apostles.
That is a decent rep of London prices with the Financial Crash smoothed out, for a very modest basic flat 5 minutes from Finsbury Square.
By comparison, in a part of the Red Wall I know well, trad terraces were 25-30k ish in 1990, pretty flat until 2000, doubled by 2004-5 with most of that in the 18 months 2003-4, then fell back again by 2/3 of that rise, and are now up to something like 70-90k depending.
Candy Brothers first project was a one bed flat bought in 1995 in Fulham for £122k. Refurbed and sold for £170k.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
You do however need to ensure the scandal is explained in simple enough words that the general public understand it so know why they are calling for your resignation.
And at the moment that doesn't exist - this story is currently too complex and needs some simpler sound bites.
She'll rely on the Lord Advocate to give her cover for ignoring the legal advice. This being the same Lord Advocate/Crown Office which has attempted to stymie the inquiry, of course.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
Agreed it was a stupid, crass, partisan mistake by Ross.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
You do however need to ensure the scandal is explained in simple enough words that the general public understand it so know why they are calling for your resignation.
And at the moment that doesn't exist - this story is currently too complex and needs some simpler sound bites.
Yes, you can frame the significance of what's been done and what it means.. but, you stop short of the obvious conclusion, still less "demanding" anything.
The skill here is to lead the horse to water so it chooses to drink. If you try and force its head underwater with your foot on it then it'll bolt.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
It did occur to me that it might do the Nats more harm to leave her in place. Her claims never held water, and now she has painted herself into a corner. Let the voters decide if Sturgeon is what they want.
Amazing you have just moved to Scotland and you are certain of something that is very uncertain
She may but she is being damaged by all this and is unlikely to have a long term future
I have no skin in the game - I'm a LibDem member. I hope my party take seats off the SNP and other parties in May. So I am looking at this using my political instincts rather than from an openly biased perspective like you are.
I do not believe there is enough of substance to deflect either her or her party from their path to another victory. The supposed conspiracy against Salmond which has a whole load of people lying to the police and in court for internecine gain is laughable - everything else is heat and light generated from that.
Do I think the Scottish Government fucked up the investigation into the initial complaints? Absolutely. Do I think there was political interference in the process to make it happen at an opportune time? Absolutely. Are these sufficient to bring her/them down? No - have worse brought down Tory ministers or their government? No. Or even dented their popularity? No.
I’ve noted that in the US talk of “Herd Immunity” is far more mainstream and prevalent than here where it has almost become a taboo. The NYT ran a feature on how long it would take in various scenarios. I do think Johnson poisoned the well here with the initial talk of achieving this state through natural infection. The messaging over there is that every shot (or jab as we now say) gets them closer to the herd immunity state. I’m not convinced of the science but do think that with the gradual easing the Govt here is going for a similar approach to get there, or close, this year.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
Yes, the best result for unionists is for her to limp on and let the scandal drag the SNP below the majority line and have a unionist majority at Holyrood. It's a high risk strategy but I think it's still the best chance the unionists have, if they see the SNP off this time then that's basically it. The moment of most danger for the union will be gone.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
The smart thing to do is sound very sympathetic to her, sound supportive. Get the SNP thinking "why do all the unionists want her to stay?"
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
Yes, the best result for unionists is for her to limp on and let the scandal drag the SNP below the majority line and have a unionist majority at Holyrood. It's a high risk strategy but I think it's still the best chance the unionists have, if they see the SNP off this time then that's basically it. The moment of most danger for the union will be gone.
It will be interesting just how many covid daily updates continues to be fronted by Sturgeon as journalists will not let this go
I’ve noted that in the US talk of “Herd Immunity” is far more mainstream and prevalent than here where it has almost become a taboo. The NYT ran a feature on how long it would take in various scenarios. I do think Johnson poisoned the well here with the initial talk of achieving this state through natural infection. The messaging over there is that every shot (or jab as we now say) gets them closer to the herd immunity state. I’m not convinced of the science but do think that with the gradual easing the Govt here is going for a similar approach to get there, or close, this year.
I’ve noted that in the US talk of “Herd Immunity” is far more mainstream and prevalent than here where it has almost become a taboo. The NYT ran a feature on how long it would take in various scenarios. I do think Johnson poisoned the well here with the initial talk of achieving this state through natural infection. The messaging over there is that every shot (or jab as we now say) gets them closer to the herd immunity state. I’m not convinced of the science but do think that with the gradual easing the Govt here is going for a similar approach to get there, or close, this year.
witter.com/NYTHealth/status/1366397635217809411
You've got this 100% backwards Johnson has not poisoned the well at all, quite the opposite, Trump poisoned the well and that's what the US is trying to deal with.
The UK understands full well how herd immunity works and according to the polls 90% of the adult public will take their jab. That is genuinely "world leading". We will reach herd immunity, so its a case of ensuring the rollout goes as smoothly as it can while message now are targeting the holdout communities like ethnic minorities that risk being pooled communities without herd immunity otherwise.
The USA is going to really struggle to reach herd immunity if 30% of blacks and a majority of white Republicans are unvaccinated. This is what the USA is trying to deal with that the UK doesn't have to.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
The smart thing to do is sound very sympathetic to her, sound supportive. Get the SNP thinking "why do all the unionists want her to stay?"
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
Yes, the best result for unionists is for her to limp on and let the scandal drag the SNP below the majority line and have a unionist majority at Holyrood. It's a high risk strategy but I think it's still the best chance the unionists have, if they see the SNP off this time then that's basically it. The moment of most danger for the union will be gone.
It will be interesting just how many covid daily updates continues to be fronted by Sturgeon as journalists will not let this go
More to the point, Alex Salmond is not going to let this go.
Sturgeon can easily outwit the Scottish press, and the SLAB and SCON. She has been doing it all her life.
But, Salmond is different & this is now very personal. I can't see Salmond letting this go.
I was surprised when I looked up Salmond's age -- he is only 66. He looks a good deal older.
I am sure Alex thinks he could come roaring back again -- and perhaps he can.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
Amazing you have just moved to Scotland and you are certain of something that is very uncertain
She may but she is being damaged by all this and is unlikely to have a long term future
I have no skin in the game - I'm a LibDem member. I hope my party take seats off the SNP and other parties in May. So I am looking at this using my political instincts rather than from an openly biased perspective like you are.
I do not believe there is enough of substance to deflect either her or her party from their path to another victory. The supposed conspiracy against Salmond which has a whole load of people lying to the police and in court for internecine gain is laughable - everything else is heat and light generated from that.
Do I think the Scottish Government fucked up the investigation into the initial complaints? Absolutely. Do I think there was political interference in the process to make it happen at an opportune time? Absolutely. Are these sufficient to bring her/them down? No - have worse brought down Tory ministers or their government? No. Or even dented their popularity? No.
Rochdale , you must be an improvement on the donkeys that are the LibDems in Scotland currently. Moribund and useless does not begin to describe them, they could not beat a carpet.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
The smart thing to do is sound very sympathetic to her, sound supportive. Get the SNP thinking "why do all the unionists want her to stay?"
Amazing you have just moved to Scotland and you are certain of something that is very uncertain
She may but she is being damaged by all this and is unlikely to have a long term future
I have no skin in the game - I'm a LibDem member. I hope my party take seats off the SNP and other parties in May. So I am looking at this using my political instincts rather than from an openly biased perspective like you are.
I do not believe there is enough of substance to deflect either her or her party from their path to another victory. The supposed conspiracy against Salmond which has a whole load of people lying to the police and in court for internecine gain is laughable - everything else is heat and light generated from that.
Do I think the Scottish Government fucked up the investigation into the initial complaints? Absolutely. Do I think there was political interference in the process to make it happen at an opportune time? Absolutely. Are these sufficient to bring her/them down? No - have worse brought down Tory ministers or their government? No. Or even dented their popularity? No.
Rochdale , you must be an improvement on the donkeys that are the LibDems in Scotland currently. Moribund and useless does not begin to describe them, they could not beat a carpet.
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
I’ve noted that in the US talk of “Herd Immunity” is far more mainstream and prevalent than here where it has almost become a taboo. The NYT ran a feature on how long it would take in various scenarios. I do think Johnson poisoned the well here with the initial talk of achieving this state through natural infection. The messaging over there is that every shot (or jab as we now say) gets them closer to the herd immunity state. I’m not convinced of the science but do think that with the gradual easing the Govt here is going for a similar approach to get there, or close, this year.
witter.com/NYTHealth/status/1366397635217809411
You've got this 100% backwards Johnson has not poisoned the well at all, quite the opposite, Trump poisoned the well and that's what the US is trying to deal with.
The UK understands full well how herd immunity works and according to the polls 90% of the adult public will take their jab. That is genuinely "world leading". We will reach herd immunity, so its a case of ensuring the rollout goes as smoothly as it can while message now are targeting the holdout communities like ethnic minorities that risk being pooled communities without herd immunity otherwise.
The USA is going to really struggle to reach herd immunity if 30% of blacks and a majority of white Republicans are unvaccinated. This is what the USA is trying to deal with that the UK doesn't have to.
It's more the use of the phrase. I actually think large sections of the population have reached such a state, in pockets, already.
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
Of course it is. She's a lefty so all can be explained and justified. Nothing to see here.
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
The key issue in politics. Parties cover up for their own. They shouldn't need to - all parties attract all people. That means that every party will have wrong 'uns in their ranks. It isn't a mark of shame on the party when someone is uncovered doing bad, but the covering up of their continued wrongdoing is. Yet all parties do it.
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
but not exactly plausible. Given the choice of remembering a meeting that occurred x years ago vs making it up as she goes along - the latter is far more likely.
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
I see she forgot about all the other ministerial complaints till it had to be pointed out to her. She is very selective in her memory lapses. Her attempt to be a METOO hero looks ever more dodgy.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
I haven't read the allegations of Johnson trying to get May locked up!
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
Worse than allegedly corrupting the Crown Office, abusing offices of state, seeking to conspire to get a political rival imprisoned and put on the sex offenders register? 🤔
These allegations may or may not be true but I can't think of worse before, this makes all other scandals I can recall pale into insignificance - but its Scotland so it won't get that much attention. Had this been the PM allegedly doing this to a political rival, with the DPP in his Cabinet abusing processes etc - this would rightly be headline if not worldwide news.
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
Of course it is. She's a lefty so all can be explained and justified. Nothing to see here.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
You can try as much as you like to deflect this to Westminster but this is about Scotland and its politics
All politicians and parties suffer malfeasance and to be honest at this moment in time I am content with HMG
I’ve noted that in the US talk of “Herd Immunity” is far more mainstream and prevalent than here where it has almost become a taboo. The NYT ran a feature on how long it would take in various scenarios. I do think Johnson poisoned the well here with the initial talk of achieving this state through natural infection. The messaging over there is that every shot (or jab as we now say) gets them closer to the herd immunity state. I’m not convinced of the science but do think that with the gradual easing the Govt here is going for a similar approach to get there, or close, this year.
witter.com/NYTHealth/status/1366397635217809411
You've got this 100% backwards Johnson has not poisoned the well at all, quite the opposite, Trump poisoned the well and that's what the US is trying to deal with.
The UK understands full well how herd immunity works and according to the polls 90% of the adult public will take their jab. That is genuinely "world leading". We will reach herd immunity, so its a case of ensuring the rollout goes as smoothly as it can while message now are targeting the holdout communities like ethnic minorities that risk being pooled communities without herd immunity otherwise.
The USA is going to really struggle to reach herd immunity if 30% of blacks and a majority of white Republicans are unvaccinated. This is what the USA is trying to deal with that the UK doesn't have to.
It's more the use of the phrase. I actually think large sections of the population have reached such a state, in pockets, already.
It is very wise not to use the phrase in the UK because we're well past the point of it being viable nationwide, but they're trying to get as many refuseniks as possible to sign up. Talk too much about herd immunity here and you'll start to get people thinking "I don't need to get mine done, there's herd immunity from others anyway".
In the US they're struggling to get to that point so its like a carrot being put out "get yours and protect yourself and help build herd immunity".
The fact we're at 90% and rising wanting the vaccine is incredible. No need to rock the boat, just keep jabbing on, while convincing as many refuseniks as possible.
Personally I have stuck £50 in her seeing this out. Either the SNP loses one of its most effective communicators, or I win enough for a decent bottle of whiskey.
Personally I have stuck £50 in her seeing this out. Either the SNP loses one of its most effective communicators, or I win enough for a decent bottle of whiskey.
The key issue in politics. Parties cover up for their own. They shouldn't need to - all parties attract all people. That means that every party will have wrong 'uns in their ranks. It isn't a mark of shame on the party when someone is uncovered doing bad, but the covering up of their continued wrongdoing is. Yet all parties do it.
For all his many faults, that was something that Nigel Farage was really good at. Any cranks that turned up were immediately expelled. None of the lengthy suspensions and investigations that characterised Corbyn’s Labour Party, but straight out.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
Worse than allegedly corrupting the Crown Office, abusing offices of state, seeking to conspire to get a political rival imprisoned and put on the sex offenders register? 🤔
These allegations may or may not be true but I can't think of worse before, this makes all other scandals I can recall pale into insignificance - but its Scotland so it won't get that much attention. Had this been the PM allegedly doing this to a political rival, with the DPP in his Cabinet abusing processes etc - this would rightly be headline if not worldwide news.
These allegations are extremely serious and I think it is doubtful that the committee or Mr Hamilton will found them to have been made out but they will find that she lied repeatedly to Parliament and that she persisted in the judical review wasting public money having been advised in October that there were no prospects of success. Will that be enough? I remain doubtful but the whiff of fish is rank and that might make even her little green helpers hesitate.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
Worse than allegedly corrupting the Crown Office, abusing offices of state, seeking to conspire to get a political rival imprisoned and put on the sex offenders register? 🤔
These allegations may or may not be true but I can't think of worse before, this makes all other scandals I can recall pale into insignificance - but its Scotland so it won't get that much attention. Had this been the PM allegedly doing this to a political rival, with the DPP in his Cabinet abusing processes etc - this would rightly be headline if not worldwide news.
Yes, it’s Putin-esque
Sturgeon clearly intends to waffle her way to survival, using her gender to deflect and justify, and by attacking Salmond continuously, in an inquiry which is meant to be about her government, not Alex Salmond. Who has been acquitted.
It’s fairly ghastly but I can see it working. But she will be significantly damaged. I cannot see her striding the Scottish stage in the same way ever again, and the election campaign will be grueling as this is brought up time and again.
What’s more, she’s further antagonizing Salmond, who is not going away and is a lethal foe
Do you have anything to support that position against all the known evidence that she is as bent as a three bob bit.
It's mainly instinct. A combination of how she comes over to me and how Salmond does. I'm watching her being cross-examined now, in fact, and finding it very interesting.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
Worse than allegedly corrupting the Crown Office, abusing offices of state, seeking to conspire to get a political rival imprisoned and put on the sex offenders register? 🤔
These allegations may or may not be true but I can't think of worse before, this makes all other scandals I can recall pale into insignificance - but its Scotland so it won't get that much attention. Had this been the PM allegedly doing this to a political rival, with the DPP in his Cabinet abusing processes etc - this would rightly be headline if not worldwide news.
Hardly. The Tory plot dragged The Queen into it and had her illegally prorogue parliament. She was lied to by her Lord President of the Council - nobody resigned. The Attorney General attacking the Judiciary - nobody resigned. Health Secretary breaks the law - nobody resigned. The government in Westminster has made the Rule of Law a political enemy that can be swept aside, so you can't then demand it is applied elsewhere.
As for the alleged conspiracy, its a joke. Her government fucked up an investigation, used political considerations to mess with timings and process and That's Bad. But hardly unique.
It may be best for the Union if CON, LAB and LD MSPs allow her to stay in place but allow this to continue up to election day. I'm sure GRN can be relied on to change sides for a little bit of power if the numbers justify it.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
You can try as much as you like to deflect this to Westminster but this is about Scotland and its politics
All politicians and parties suffer malfeasance and to be honest at this moment in time I am content with HMG
Thanks for accepting that you are "content" with Westminster politicians dragged through the courts for their wrongdoing.
Personally I have stuck £50 in her seeing this out. Either the SNP loses one of its most effective communicators, or I win enough for a decent bottle of whiskey.
I am really not sure that these gratuitous and irrelevant digs at Salmond are helpful to her. She is obviously furious and having trouble controlling it. She needs to be wound up a bit more.
I thought she might be in trouble but she became safe last night the moment Douglas Ross wanted her to resign.
Yep. Too partisan. Just like Pelosi over Trump.
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
This thread actually makes me wonder if Dougie is playing the long game.
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
The last poll gave the SNP an absolute majority!
Time will tell
Indeed. It is odd though that you consider the allegations of malfeasance against Sturgeon and the SNP to be resignation offences but do not consider actual findings of acting illegally to be resignation offences for Tory ministers and their government.
I have a deep family interest in Scotland and its politics having married a Scot, lived and worked in Edinburgh, and have many family relatives in the North East
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Oh she's in trouble alright! I don't think she'll go though. I continue to note the hypocrisy in attacking SNP alleged malfeasance but utter disregard for worse from your own party.
Worse than allegedly corrupting the Crown Office, abusing offices of state, seeking to conspire to get a political rival imprisoned and put on the sex offenders register? 🤔
These allegations may or may not be true but I can't think of worse before, this makes all other scandals I can recall pale into insignificance - but its Scotland so it won't get that much attention. Had this been the PM allegedly doing this to a political rival, with the DPP in his Cabinet abusing processes etc - this would rightly be headline if not worldwide news.
Hardly. The Tory plot dragged The Queen into it and had her illegally prorogue parliament. She was lied to by her Lord President of the Council - nobody resigned. The Attorney General attacking the Judiciary - nobody resigned. Health Secretary breaks the law - nobody resigned. The government in Westminster has made the Rule of Law a political enemy that can be swept aside, so you can't then demand it is applied elsewhere.
As for the alleged conspiracy, its a joke. Her government fucked up an investigation, used political considerations to mess with timings and process and That's Bad. But hardly unique.
You think proroguing Parliament for a few weeks, over what would have been Party Conference season anyway and bringing Parliament back before Article 50 expired, which was found to be entirely lawful by the English High Court and reversed the moment the Supreme Court invented a new law to make it unlawful is worse than allegedly corrupting the Crown Office, abusing prosecutions led by a member of your own Cabinet to seek to imprison a political rival despite your own lawyers telling you this is messed up and the judicial review has no hope of succeeding - then abusing the Crown Office to try and hide that evidence from Parliament?
She says her general awareness and suspicion became specific knowledge when presented with specific allegations. Whether true or not, this is a perfectly possible evolution of a situation.
Of course it is. She's a lefty so all can be explained and justified. Nothing to see here.
Think about the point rather than who is making it.
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Godless woman.....
https://www.scottishparliament.tv/
I was offered a one bed modest 400 sqft flat in a 1870s brick block in the quiet part of the City (just into Hackney) behind Wesley's Chapel for about 100k (70k but would need 15k extend lease + 15k to refurb) in very late 1990s. Called Victoria Chambers - I always thought it was a Victorian slum clearance -> workers flats project. All the streets are named after apostles.
Prices for a similar sold 4 times have gone:
1998 99,950
2001 160,000
2006 220,000
2017 450,000
Another similar sold 4 times has gone:
2000 130,000
2005 220,000
2008 250,000
2013 345,000
Sales in 2019/2020 are back around 345-350k.
That is a decent rep of London prices with the Financial Crash smoothed out, for a very modest basic flat 5 minutes from Finsbury Square.
By comparison, in a part of the Red Wall I know well, trad terraces were 25-30k ish in 1990, pretty flat until 2000, doubled by 2004-5 with most of that in the 18 months 2003-4, then fell back again by 2/3 of that rise, and are now up to something like 70-90k depending.
Candy Brothers first project was a one bed flat bought in 1995 in Fulham for £122k. Refurbed and sold for £170k.
From 2015.
https://twitter.com/dj_forrester/status/1366538694245687300
Discretion is the better part of valour here: you need the scandal to do all the talking, and the public to call for the resignation once its magnitude dawns on them.
https://twitter.com/ianjamesparsley/status/1367037294516068352?s=20
https://twitter.com/ianjamesparsley/status/1367037655809196037?s=20
And at the moment that doesn't exist - this story is currently too complex and needs some simpler sound bites.
She may but she is being damaged by all this and is unlikely to have a long term future
https://twitter.com/RossPolitics/status/1366877487700062210
The skill here is to lead the horse to water so it chooses to drink. If you try and force its head underwater with your foot on it then it'll bolt.
I do not believe there is enough of substance to deflect either her or her party from their path to another victory. The supposed conspiracy against Salmond which has a whole load of people lying to the police and in court for internecine gain is laughable - everything else is heat and light generated from that.
Do I think the Scottish Government fucked up the investigation into the initial complaints? Absolutely. Do I think there was political interference in the process to make it happen at an opportune time? Absolutely. Are these sufficient to bring her/them down? No - have worse brought down Tory ministers or their government? No. Or even dented their popularity? No.
https://twitter.com/NYTHealth/status/1366397635217809411
The only game in town at the moment is the short one: stopping an SNP-Green majority in May.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/30298288/multi-market?marketIds=1.179554856
Needs to be for the money!
Spanish royals letting the side down.
It makes it sounds chaotic.
I don't believe it for a team of 20 nurses and umpteen support staff including the army doing 1700 vaccines over an entire day.
"it wisnae me!"
The UK understands full well how herd immunity works and according to the polls 90% of the adult public will take their jab. That is genuinely "world leading". We will reach herd immunity, so its a case of ensuring the rollout goes as smoothly as it can while message now are targeting the holdout communities like ethnic minorities that risk being pooled communities without herd immunity otherwise.
The USA is going to really struggle to reach herd immunity if 30% of blacks and a majority of white Republicans are unvaccinated. This is what the USA is trying to deal with that the UK doesn't have to.
Sturgeon can easily outwit the Scottish press, and the SLAB and SCON. She has been doing it all her life.
But, Salmond is different & this is now very personal. I can't see Salmond letting this go.
I was surprised when I looked up Salmond's age -- he is only 66. He looks a good deal older.
I am sure Alex thinks he could come roaring back again -- and perhaps he can.
What about "lie"?
Winning here !
My wife and I support the union and obviously oppose Sturgeon and it is clear that she is in considerable trouble
Blair survived Iraq, though he was mortally wounded. He hopped around like a sparrow with a wounded wing for a few year more, but the magic was gone.
That is the real question. If Sturgeon survives ... has the magic gone ?
Because once the magic has gone, it never comes back.
That's been well hushed up!
These allegations may or may not be true but I can't think of worse before, this makes all other scandals I can recall pale into insignificance - but its Scotland so it won't get that much attention. Had this been the PM allegedly doing this to a political rival, with the DPP in his Cabinet abusing processes etc - this would rightly be headline if not worldwide news.
All politicians and parties suffer malfeasance and to be honest at this moment in time I am content with HMG
In the US they're struggling to get to that point so its like a carrot being put out "get yours and protect yourself and help build herd immunity".
The fact we're at 90% and rising wanting the vaccine is incredible. No need to rock the boat, just keep jabbing on, while convincing as many refuseniks as possible.
Sturgeon clearly intends to waffle her way to survival, using her gender to deflect and justify, and by attacking Salmond continuously, in an inquiry which is meant to be about her government, not Alex Salmond. Who has been acquitted.
It’s fairly ghastly but I can see it working. But she will be significantly damaged. I cannot see her striding the Scottish stage in the same way ever again, and the election campaign will be grueling as this is brought up time and again.
What’s more, she’s further antagonizing Salmond, who is not going away and is a lethal foe
Hopefully Rishi doesn't back down when some small section of ultra low risk investors moan about it.
As for the alleged conspiracy, its a joke. Her government fucked up an investigation, used political considerations to mess with timings and process and That's Bad. But hardly unique.
It may be best for the Union if CON, LAB and LD MSPs allow her to stay in place but allow this to continue up to election day. I'm sure GRN can be relied on to change sides for a little bit of power if the numbers justify it.
But she shouldn't.