He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Surely the only way the Saffers and Indians could have had a great deal more natural immunity pre-vaccine is by exposure.
Or sickness and death on a huge scale, as it is otherwise known.
South Africa's excess deaths for the last year dwarf the deaths attributed to COVID-19, running at about 3 times the official numbers. So yes South Africa almost certainly has had death on a huge scale, despite a much younger population than us.
Yet still muppets continue to share "league tables" by attributed deaths as if they're the gospel truth and its appropriate to pointscore.
Thats because they want to say something now when in reality the only thing that matters is excess deaths when we are in a position to look at those figures in a couple of years time.
Not that I suspect even that will work as other sleights of hand may be used (see for example 150,000 fewer pensions being paid in Hubei yet that not being mentioned in other reports).
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
Add in 150,000 dead of the bug, and a knackered economy making people migrate.....
It is quite possible the UK's population will sharply decline from here, at least for a while.
Some still seem to be expecting a baby boom which will start impacting schools in a few years though.
We may get one after this is over. At no time in the past 12 months have I thought this would all be so much easier with a new born baby...
Would it have been much worse tho? The first 12 months of a newborn are a sleepless nightmare when you never go out or see friends, and often sink into depression.
That is to say, identical to Covid. New parents will barely have noticed the plague
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
One thing that's been interesting for us is that our team (research centre) works across two buildings (not far from each other, five minutes' walk, university campus) because we're drawn from two departments. We had monthly meetings that everyone attended, as far as possible, but in the little meetings, cups of tea, corridor chats I mostly only saw the people from our department. Since everyone's been working from home, we've had meetings and virtual coffee etc for everyone, with the result that I now feel much more connected to the people in the other department than I did before.
If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Jesus, Max, I'd hate to see you fillet a fish - that was quite the brutal deboning.
That's what Fortis Green does to a person. They get lively.
This is the same Geoff Aberdein who @sarissa told us was not going to be a witness and whose statement has been objected to by Crown Office (again) and will not officially be before the Committee.
So this is another allegation of lying which the Committee and Mr Hamilton (the independent investigator in respect of the Ministerial code) will simply not be able to reach a view on because the relevant evidence is not before them.
But its ok because Nicola is willing to answer questions on it and that is the most we can apparently hope for. Jeez.
Unless someone wants to claim this reward.... £25,000 Reward Offered for Copy of Geoff Aberdein Testimony This website is offering a reward of £25,000 cash to help a public spirited whistleblower to come forward and reveal a copy of Geoff Aberdein’s evidence to the Sturgeon Inquiry, which the Committee of Crooks has refused to publish, accept or consider, because it categorically proves that Sturgeon lied to Parliament. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/02/25000-reward-offered-for-copy-of-geoff-aberdein-testimony/
Surely the only way the Saffers and Indians could have had a great deal more natural immunity pre-vaccine is by exposure.
Or sickness and death on a huge scale, as it is otherwise known.
South Africa's excess deaths for the last year dwarf the deaths attributed to COVID-19, running at about 3 times the official numbers. So yes South Africa almost certainly has had death on a huge scale, despite a much younger population than us.
Though I don't see (may be missing it) a way to get a cumulative total from those charts instead of a weekly total?
From the text, Russia is now up to 370k excess deaths versus an official death toll of 56k. So their excess deaths per capita are more than double our excess deaths per capita - and their data only goes to December too. 😲😷
If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Jesus, Max, I'd hate to see you fillet a fish - that was quite the brutal deboning.
That's what Fortis Green does to a person. They get lively.
Back in a Tory constituency, it changes one's outlook.
Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?
And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.
Isn't that because couples/husbands & wives now hate each other after living together 24x7 for the past year?
That is, indeed, one of the theories. A few couples I know suggest it might be right
I know of two divorces.
And while we're on Covid stuff - I also know of two suicides over the past two months. Or rather, there have been two suicides in my larger circle of association (ie they weren't friends). One had on and off mental health issues for some time, was around 40yrs old; the other a 23yr old seeming as happy as you could imagine.
If I know of two suicides now, god only knows a) how many are on the edge or have thought about it; and b) how many elsewhere.
Is why I have long been wary of the "lock us up until further notice/why is that person talking to that other person" crowd.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
Add in 150,000 dead of the bug, and a knackered economy making people migrate.....
It is quite possible the UK's population will sharply decline from here, at least for a while.
Some still seem to be expecting a baby boom which will start impacting schools in a few years though.
I've advised my wife to buy stocks for baby product companies on that basis.
I seriously doubt that COVID will have that great an impact on the long term trajectory of the UK population. For all that COVID is bad, it is not the Black Death.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?
And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.
Isn't that because couples/husbands & wives now hate each other after living together 24x7 for the past year?
That is, indeed, one of the theories. A few couples I know suggest it might be right
I am in the fortunate position where my wife has gone to look after a house that some friends have been unable to visit since before Christmas. Alone, she is writing there and bringing it back to life for when they can return.
We have been together 28 years and had lengthy periods during that when we have spent weeks, even months at a time apart with work. This past year we have not spent a night apart. We have survived it surprisingly well, but man alive am I enjoying a few days when I can do exactly as I like, when I like. This is what "normal" was - and I really like it!
Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?
And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.
Isn't that because couples/husbands & wives now hate each other after living together 24x7 for the past year?
That is, indeed, one of the theories. A few couples I know suggest it might be right
I know of two divorces.
And while we're on Covid stuff - I also know of two suicides over the past two months. Or rather, there have been two suicides in my larger circle of association (ie they weren't friends). One had on and off mental health issues for some time, was around 40yrs old; the other a 23yr old seeming as happy as you could imagine.
If I know of two suicides now, god only knows a) how many are on the edge or have thought about it; and b) how many elsewhere.
Is why I have long been wary of the "lock us up until further notice/why is that person talking to that other person" crowd.
That's sad. Sympathies. Suicide is the worst
As I have said before, I know, very well, a 14 year old who made a suicide bid recently. I can well believe there are millions suffering, mentally; I've had a few wobbles myself
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
This is the same Geoff Aberdein who @sarissa told us was not going to be a witness and whose statement has been objected to by Crown Office (again) and will not officially be before the Committee.
So this is another allegation of lying which the Committee and Mr Hamilton (the independent investigator in respect of the Ministerial code) will simply not be able to reach a view on because the relevant evidence is not before them.
But its ok because Nicola is willing to answer questions on it and that is the most we can apparently hope for. Jeez.
Unless someone wants to claim this reward.... £25,000 Reward Offered for Copy of Geoff Aberdein Testimony This website is offering a reward of £25,000 cash to help a public spirited whistleblower to come forward and reveal a copy of Geoff Aberdein’s evidence to the Sturgeon Inquiry, which the Committee of Crooks has refused to publish, accept or consider, because it categorically proves that Sturgeon lied to Parliament. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/02/25000-reward-offered-for-copy-of-geoff-aberdein-testimony/
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
Yup, every night of the week bar Mondays.
Tuesday was always my favourite night for post-work pints.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Probably. But I don’t want to see any airbrushing of Johnson's many unsavoury characteristics. If they're going to portray him it ought to be authentic not a load of old caricatured "oh er missus" tosh. So long as they do that I'll be happy. Then it's up to the public.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I'm sure they think well of you also.
Actually at my office they did go out for team drinks, the youngsters, quite regularly. I always declined to go unless it was a leaving do. They soon got used to the fact that I was the grumpy, ahem, old git.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
Yes there'll be people commuting 1-2 to get to Manchester and other cities, especially if travelling at rush hour. 30 minutes doesn't get you very far at rush hour.
Plus not everyone will have their work and home as close to each other as possible.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.
Try an evening or ten on it, as a designated driver....
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
I knew somebody who commuted from Coventry to Gloucester.
Also from Stroud to Cannock.
Both of those paled in comparison to the lecturer at Aber who commuted in from Worcester.
In all those cases, family ties were in one place and the job in another.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.
Try an evening or ten on it, as a designated driver....
Prof Devi Sridhar seems absolutely obsessed with elimination idea.
But I don't understand either how it could work with an open economy with lots of movement, or why it would even be desired in a post vaccination world given the isolation, costs and risks associated with such a policy.
New Zealand going isolationist and closing to the world until they get vaccinated makes sense.
Scotland going isolationist and closing to the world after they get vaccinated makes no sense whatsoever.
This is the final, hilariously self-unaware tweet of her rant response:
This goes to what I said, buying time with no tolerance can make sense to get to the point of vaccines being available. But she's still advocating post vaccination zero tolerance. That's madness.
PS it's possible the UK and Israel being first nations vaccinated will begin economic recovery quicker than other nations staying shut down.
Its almost like Sridhar, and Michie, and a few others, have another agenda.
In one company I worked at, IT security had a mandate to *anything* to prevent data breaches. Awesome, right?
Well, it turned out that one of their policies would mean (effectively) shutting down external access. All external access. In a customer facing web based company. Yes, their policy/mandate meant that the company couldn't do business.....
The mandate was amended....
LOL. That’s a great way to be fired as an IT director. You’re supposed to work *with* the business, not against it.
Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?
And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.
Isn't that because couples/husbands & wives now hate each other after living together 24x7 for the past year?
That is, indeed, one of the theories. A few couples I know suggest it might be right
I am in the fortunate position where my wife has gone to look after a house that some friends have been unable to visit since before Christmas. Alone, she is writing there and bringing it back to life for when they can return.
We have been together 28 years and had lengthy periods during that when we have spent weeks, even months at a time apart with work. This past year we have not spent a night apart. We have survived it surprisingly well, but man alive am I enjoying a few days when I can do exactly as I like, when I like. This is what "normal" was - and I really like it!
Yes.
A happily married friend of mine (in his 40s) was going slowly insane, locked in a two bed flat with his wife and teen daughter, 24/7. Wife lost her job early on in the Rona, so was at home all the time, for the first time ever, he is a freelancer so works from home anyway.
He was inches from divorce... when she at last got a new job, meaning she's out of the house most of the day, 5 days a week. Marriage saved. But it was close
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
Could be worse. Could be commuting from Moscow to Salisbury.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
Clearly the road system in the UK is too good if people are doing that. Dig up some of the lanes and plant them with meadow flowers.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I knew I guy who commuted from Scotland to London and another who commuted in his own plane to Chatham
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
Yes there'll be people commuting 1-2 to get to Manchester and other cities, especially if travelling at rush hour. 30 minutes doesn't get you very far at rush hour.
Plus not everyone will have their work and home as close to each other as possible.
Driving four hours a day to work in..... Manchester.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.
A lot of people rapidly lose interest if they cannot have an alcoholic drink.
Prof Devi Sridhar seems absolutely obsessed with elimination idea.
But I don't understand either how it could work with an open economy with lots of movement, or why it would even be desired in a post vaccination world given the isolation, costs and risks associated with such a policy.
New Zealand going isolationist and closing to the world until they get vaccinated makes sense.
Scotland going isolationist and closing to the world after they get vaccinated makes no sense whatsoever.
This is the final, hilariously self-unaware tweet of her rant response:
This goes to what I said, buying time with no tolerance can make sense to get to the point of vaccines being available. But she's still advocating post vaccination zero tolerance. That's madness.
PS it's possible the UK and Israel being first nations vaccinated will begin economic recovery quicker than other nations staying shut down.
Its almost like Sridhar, and Michie, and a few others, have another agenda.
In one company I worked at, IT security had a mandate to *anything* to prevent data breaches. Awesome, right?
Well, it turned out that one of their policies would mean (effectively) shutting down external access. All external access. In a customer facing web based company. Yes, their policy/mandate meant that the company couldn't do business.....
The mandate was amended....
LOL. That’s a great way to be fired as an IT director. You’re supposed to work *with* the business, not against it.
Same with safety. The object is to make the product/deliver the service safely and securely, not to be as safe and secure as possible, because the safest and securest is generally to do no business.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
Clearly the road system in the UK is too good if people are doing that. Dig up some of the lanes and plant them with meadow flowers.
Alas, it was by train. Given the roads you'll make it in an hour within Wiltshire if you're lucky, trying for peak work times.
If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Jesus, Max, I'd hate to see you fillet a fish - that was quite the brutal deboning.
That's what Fortis Green does to a person. They get lively.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You sometimes risk a shandy, though, as I recall. A shandy and then you get behind the wheel.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
Yes there'll be people commuting 1-2 to get to Manchester and other cities, especially if travelling at rush hour. 30 minutes doesn't get you very far at rush hour.
Plus not everyone will have their work and home as close to each other as possible.
Driving four hours a day to work in..... Manchester.
There is no limit to human suffering.
Could be worse. Imagine commuting four hours a day to work in London.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I knew I guy who commuted from Scotland to London and another who commuted in his own plane to Chatham
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
That is just your londophilia talks personally you couldn't pay me enough to work there. Plus these nice villages you talk of are expensive to live in and those earning less get pushed out further.
In addition as its quite common to change jobs these days most people still don't want to move every few years so for example since the 90's I have worked in epsom,slough,reading,wantage,aylesbury,swindon all without moving many of those were over an hour away
Prof Devi Sridhar seems absolutely obsessed with elimination idea.
But I don't understand either how it could work with an open economy with lots of movement, or why it would even be desired in a post vaccination world given the isolation, costs and risks associated with such a policy.
New Zealand going isolationist and closing to the world until they get vaccinated makes sense.
Scotland going isolationist and closing to the world after they get vaccinated makes no sense whatsoever.
This is the final, hilariously self-unaware tweet of her rant response:
This goes to what I said, buying time with no tolerance can make sense to get to the point of vaccines being available. But she's still advocating post vaccination zero tolerance. That's madness.
PS it's possible the UK and Israel being first nations vaccinated will begin economic recovery quicker than other nations staying shut down.
Its almost like Sridhar, and Michie, and a few others, have another agenda.
In one company I worked at, IT security had a mandate to *anything* to prevent data breaches. Awesome, right?
Well, it turned out that one of their policies would mean (effectively) shutting down external access. All external access. In a customer facing web based company. Yes, their policy/mandate meant that the company couldn't do business.....
The mandate was amended....
LOL. That’s a great way to be fired as an IT director. You’re supposed to work *with* the business, not against it.
Same with safety. The object is to make the product/deliver the service safely and securely, not to be as safe and secure as possible, because the safest and securest is generally to do no business.
Indeed. If changes are needed to increase security, then you have to come up with the solution not just the problem, that’s what they’re paying you to do. If something is so urgent that it will cause disruption, you’d better have had the big bosses sign off on it beforehand!
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I can name two commuters to Wales from Wiltshire straight off the bat.
There is Rhiannon Passmore, Labour's Senedd Cymru Member for Islwyn -- who lives in Wiltshire
Or Neil Hamilton, UKIP's Senedd Cymru member for Mid and West Wales -- who lives in Wiltshire.
If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Jesus, Max, I'd hate to see you fillet a fish - that was quite the brutal deboning.
That's what Fortis Green does to a person. They get lively.
Fortis by name, fortis by nature.
He'd never have torn me off a strip like that when we lived next door to each other.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You sometimes risk a shandy, though, as I recall. A shandy and then you get behind the wheel.
Not very often, but yes a single shandy especially over a meal, is well within the limits and not a risk.
I won't drink more than that though, so I won't have even a single pint.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
I knew somebody who commuted from Coventry to Gloucester.
Also from Stroud to Cannock.
Both of those paled in comparison to the lecturer at Aber who commuted in from Worcester.
In all those cases, family ties were in one place and the job in another.
There's also the couple with jobs in different cities 2 or more hours apart scenario. Certainly not that unusual in academia, particularly if both of the couple are academics - there will be a limited number of places to do the research you want to do (until you get high enough to take the research with you).
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
That is just your londophilia talks personally you couldn't pay me enough to work there. Plus these nice villages you talk of are expensive to live in and those earning less get pushed out further.
In addition as its quite common to change jobs these days most people still don't want to move every few years so for example since the 90's I have worked in epsom,slough,reading,wantage,aylesbury,swindon all without moving many of those were over an hour away
I know plenty of people who work in Manchester and have a 2 hour commute, because: - they really like the Yorkshire Dales or the Lake District or the North Wales seaside - they grew up in somewhere (Staffordshire, York) where their family are and they don't want to move away from. - they have a spouse with a job somewhere else, so one of them is going to be living beyond the commuter belt of their own workplace - they have moved from somewhere but their families are settled.
Apparently the army in Armenia told its PM to resign, but he has, surprisingly, not done so. Silly boys, that's not how you do a coup - you make them resign, then tell people they chose to do it.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
That is just your londophilia talks personally you couldn't pay me enough to work there. Plus these nice villages you talk of are expensive to live in and those earning less get pushed out further.
In addition as its quite common to change jobs these days most people still don't want to move every few years so for example since the 90's I have worked in epsom,slough,reading,wantage,aylesbury,swindon all without moving many of those were over an hour away
If you're driving four hours a day to work anywhere you should move house, or change job. That is inhuman.
Relatedly, right now I am suffering from insomnia (not sure if it is plague-related). So I spent nearly all of last night awake and reading Why We Sleep, a brilliant explanation of the latest sleep science
It argues, most convincingly, that much of the western world is chronically sleep deprived, because of the pressures of work and commuting (as you illustrate). This in turn has caused, in part, the explosion in Alzheimer's, obesity, drug abuse, depression, and so on.
The science on exactly how important good sleep is, to us, is fascinating, and hugely persuasive. eg I had no idea that every animal that has ever been closely studied has been found to sleep: in some form.
eg it is commonly thought that sharks don't sleep, because they never close their eyes. Not true, they sleep like all animals, they just don't have eyelids.
Birds sleep as they fly. Insects take a nap. Sleep is a fundamental part of all life. Get More Kip.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I can name two commuters to Wales from Wiltshire straight off the bat.
There is Rhiannon Passmore, Labour's Senedd Cymru Member for Islwyn -- who lives in Wiltshire
Or Neil Hamilton, UKIP's Senedd Cymru member for Mid and West Wales -- who lives in Wiltshire.
It's a fine county. And with Stonehenge, the links with Wales go way back.
Being totally fair, it looks like they are at least close to the northern railline, so it won't take that long to get to Wales. Still amusing though.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Mass executions of Tories
At a time so many lives are being lost due to a pandemic you introduce executions
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Mass executions of Tories
At a time so many lives are being lost due to a pandemic you introduce executions
What a nasty specimen you are
And far lefties wonder why people don't want them anywhere near power?
On this commuting malarkey, there is also the factor of companies relocating or 'rationalising' their offices.
When my previous office closed, I benefited as I moved to an office closer to home. No such luck for my colleague who used to walk to work and now has a 45+ minute drive each way. She isn't in a hurry to get back to the office post-Covid.
I got the shitty end of the stick when our team moved office in London. Ealing Broadway to Tower Hill is a loooong time on the District Line.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
I think you need to learn the meaning of the word liberal. 🤔
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Mass executions of Tories
At a time so many lives are being lost due to a pandemic you introduce executions
What a nasty specimen you are
He is forgetting the main characteristic of violent revolution -
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Lol, you're funny.
Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Lol, you're funny.
Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.
I'd react more strongly, but I think it's cruel to mock a man for impotence.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I can name two commuters to Wales from Wiltshire straight off the bat.
There is Rhiannon Passmore, Labour's Senedd Cymru Member for Islwyn -- who lives in Wiltshire
Or Neil Hamilton, UKIP's Senedd Cymru member for Mid and West Wales -- who lives in Wiltshire.
Why is that depressing? Sinn Fein - until quite recently the political wing of a violently murderous revolutionary movement - are in power in Ulster and in parliament in Dublin.
It makes sense to talk to these people rather than ignore them.
The issue with the loyalist groups is that they ended up in Prison and spent their time body building.
Sinn Fein and the IRA spent their time studying and worked out how the future could be played out to their advantage.
Brutally speaking: the loyalists won. They amped up the violence in Ulster to such an extent, in the end more Catholic civilians were dying than Protestants. It is one of the key reasons the IRA sued for peace. They were losing.
Ulster remains in the UK.
2/3rds of Ulster. Three of the nine counties remain unoccupied.
ULSTER SAYS NO!!
Ulster consists of Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan and Tyrone.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I can name two commuters to Wales from Wiltshire straight off the bat.
There is Rhiannon Passmore, Labour's Senedd Cymru Member for Islwyn -- who lives in Wiltshire
Or Neil Hamilton, UKIP's Senedd Cymru member for Mid and West Wales -- who lives in Wiltshire.
They could car share.
I wouldn’t want to car share with Hamilton given his whole career has been one long car crash.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
You've been working for the wrong companies.
Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?
I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
You sometimes risk a shandy, though, as I recall. A shandy and then you get behind the wheel.
Not very often, but yes a single shandy especially over a meal, is well within the limits and not a risk.
I won't drink more than that though, so I won't have even a single pint.
Fair enough. A shandy is alcoholic though. Many people consider it a soft drink but it isn't. Depending how it's made it can have quite a kick.
A happily married friend of mine (in his 40s) was going slowly insane, locked in a two bed flat with his wife and teen daughter, 24/7. Wife lost her job early on in the Rona, so was at home all the time, for the first time ever, he is a freelancer so works from home anyway.
He was inches from divorce... when she at last got a new job, meaning she's out of the house most of the day, 5 days a week. Marriage saved. But it was close
The old saying is 'Marriage should be for life, but not for lunch.'
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Lol, you're funny.
Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.
He's talking about the danger of a break to extremism unless we wise up.
He is forgetting the main characteristic of violent revolution -
"But, I *am* loyal to the party..."
{sound of rifle bolts}....
Oh, I have no doubt they'd haul my liberal middle class ass off to the Isle of Wight gulag. But it beats waiting for electoral reform, or a free press, or any of that make-your-society-function-fairly nonsense.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 18-22 Feb. Changes w/ 21-25 Jan.
SKS fans please explain
DBMIVN (Don't blame me I voted Nandy)
Baxtered, just for fun, gives Con Maj 20 on current boundaries, 48 on 2018 proposed boundaries.
The former I'd say is barely a working majority, despite the SFers not bothering to represent their constituents. The latter is obviously a comfortable one, especially as it's in a Parliament of 600 seats.
He is forgetting the main characteristic of violent revolution -
"But, I *am* loyal to the party..."
{sound of rifle bolts}....
Oh, I have no doubt they'd haul my liberal middle class ass off to the Isle of Wight gulag. But it beats waiting for electoral reform, or a free press, or any of that make-your-society-function-fairly nonsense.
Ah, so a blood and iron revolution will deliver a free press. Pravda editors would agree, I'm sure.
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
I knew I guy who commuted from Scotland to London and another who commuted in his own plane to Chatham
I think there is a simple explanation as to why the College's wine cellar might be exhausted.
There is, as was noted in 2014.
Proof: booze brings top grades
A clear correlation has been found between the amount of money colleges spend on alcohol and the percentage of firsts they receive.
A genius Cambridge grad has found a link between the money colleges spend on booze and the number of firsts their students achieve.
Churchill grad Grayden Reece-Smith has made a chart that appears to show a relationship between the amount of wine supplied by colleges and academic performance.
Students have widely accepted that this chart is the best excuse for bad behaviour since telling your mum you only read Playboy for the articles.
Speaking to The Tab, Land Economy grad Grayden said he decided to make the chart after reading about college spending on wine.
“I noticed that the colleges with the highest wine budgets were traditionally those that were also high in the Tompkins Table. I knew there would be a correlation before I made the chart.”
He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.
The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.
As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs
FOMO tho.
You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.
They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.
This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).
In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.
Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.
Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.
Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.
London = no need to drive.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.
On a nice summer evening I have been known to stretch out my commute to over an hour by walking home via a nearby National Trust property, but I'm not sure that counts...
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Lol, you're funny.
Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.
He's talking about the danger of a break to extremism unless we wise up.
Yes, we always say we hope that something will happen when we don't want it to happen...
A really important thread on the global drop in cases I have been commenting upon. That drop has slowed, indeed started to reverse, because of the countries (largely in Europe) that have loose restrictions AND little in the way of antibody/T-Cell immunity. You can have either (to an extent) but you can't do neither. In the UK we have the a very strict lockdown and the benefit of an increasing amount of antibodies through vaccination. In South Africa the fall can at least in part be explained by the fact that in Eastern Cape (by way of example) peak antibody levels exceeded 60%. Those will decrease but T-Cell immunity will remain.
Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.
Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
Lol, you're funny.
Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.
He's talking about the danger of a break to extremism unless we wise up.
Bollocks. It's right there in the post "I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes, it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories"
Nothing about how that would be a bad thing and should be avoided.
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At no time in the past 12 months have I thought this would all be so much easier with a new born baby...
Not that I suspect even that will work as other sleights of hand may be used (see for example 150,000 fewer pensions being paid in Hubei yet that not being mentioned in other reports).
That is to say, identical to Covid. New parents will barely have noticed the plague
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https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Though I don't see (may be missing it) a way to get a cumulative total from those charts instead of a weekly total?
From the text, Russia is now up to 370k excess deaths versus an official death toll of 56k. So their excess deaths per capita are more than double our excess deaths per capita - and their data only goes to December too. 😲😷
And while we're on Covid stuff - I also know of two suicides over the past two months. Or rather, there have been two suicides in my larger circle of association (ie they weren't friends). One had on and off mental health issues for some time, was around 40yrs old; the other a 23yr old seeming as happy as you could imagine.
If I know of two suicides now, god only knows a) how many are on the edge or have thought about it; and b) how many elsewhere.
Is why I have long been wary of the "lock us up until further notice/why is that person talking to that other person" crowd.
Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly
I seriously doubt that COVID will have that great an impact on the long term trajectory of the UK population. For all that COVID is bad, it is not the Black Death.
We have been together 28 years and had lengthy periods during that when we have spent weeks, even months at a time apart with work. This past year we have not spent a night apart. We have survived it surprisingly well, but man alive am I enjoying a few days when I can do exactly as I like, when I like. This is what "normal" was - and I really like it!
As I have said before, I know, very well, a 14 year old who made a suicide bid recently. I can well believe there are millions suffering, mentally; I've had a few wobbles myself
If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.
If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.
Tuesday was always my favourite night for post-work pints.
Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...
Actually at my office they did go out for team drinks, the youngsters, quite regularly. I always declined to go unless it was a leaving do. They soon got used to the fact that I was the grumpy, ahem, old git.
Plus not everyone will have their work and home as close to each other as possible.
Also from Stroud to Cannock.
Both of those paled in comparison to the lecturer at Aber who commuted in from Worcester.
In all those cases, family ties were in one place and the job in another.
A happily married friend of mine (in his 40s) was going slowly insane, locked in a two bed flat with his wife and teen daughter, 24/7. Wife lost her job early on in the Rona, so was at home all the time, for the first time ever, he is a freelancer so works from home anyway.
He was inches from divorce... when she at last got a new job, meaning she's out of the house most of the day, 5 days a week. Marriage saved. But it was close
There is no limit to human suffering.
*Grabs tinfoil hat and ducks*
In addition as its quite common to change jobs these days most people still don't want to move every few years so for example since the 90's I have worked in epsom,slough,reading,wantage,aylesbury,swindon all without moving many of those were over an hour away
There is Rhiannon Passmore, Labour's Senedd Cymru Member for Islwyn -- who lives in Wiltshire
Or Neil Hamilton, UKIP's Senedd Cymru member for Mid and West Wales -- who lives in Wiltshire.
I won't drink more than that though, so I won't have even a single pint.
- they really like the Yorkshire Dales or the Lake District or the North Wales seaside
- they grew up in somewhere (Staffordshire, York) where their family are and they don't want to move away from.
- they have a spouse with a job somewhere else, so one of them is going to be living beyond the commuter belt of their own workplace
- they have moved from somewhere but their families are settled.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56194421
Relatedly, right now I am suffering from insomnia (not sure if it is plague-related). So I spent nearly all of last night awake and reading Why We Sleep, a brilliant explanation of the latest sleep science
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Sleep-Science-Dreams/dp/0141983760
It argues, most convincingly, that much of the western world is chronically sleep deprived, because of the pressures of work and commuting (as you illustrate). This in turn has caused, in part, the explosion in Alzheimer's, obesity, drug abuse, depression, and so on.
The science on exactly how important good sleep is, to us, is fascinating, and hugely persuasive. eg I had no idea that every animal that has ever been closely studied has been found to sleep: in some form.
eg it is commonly thought that sharks don't sleep, because they never close their eyes. Not true, they sleep like all animals, they just don't have eyelids.
Birds sleep as they fly. Insects take a nap. Sleep is a fundamental part of all life. Get More Kip.
Being totally fair, it looks like they are at least close to the northern railline, so it won't take that long to get to Wales. Still amusing though.
Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.
Back to the cricket now.
Oh, bugger.
From cases data
from hospitalisations
At a time so many lives are being lost due to a pandemic you introduce executions
What a nasty specimen you are
CON: 40% (=)
LAB: 33% (-4)
LDM: 11% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
RFM: 3% (+1)
UKIP: 2% (+1)
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Changes w/ 21-25 Jan.
SKS fans please explain
DBMIVN (Don't blame me I voted Nandy)
When my previous office closed, I benefited as I moved to an office closer to home. No such luck for my colleague who used to walk to work and now has a 45+ minute drive each way. She isn't in a hurry to get back to the office post-Covid.
I got the shitty end of the stick when our team moved office in London. Ealing Broadway to Tower Hill is a loooong time on the District Line.
"But, I *am* loyal to the party..."
{sound of rifle bolts}....
HTH.
The first time Labour mentioned this was 30 mins after it started I think
By steam train and tram. This century.
The former I'd say is barely a working majority, despite the SFers not bothering to represent their constituents. The latter is obviously a comfortable one, especially as it's in a Parliament of 600 seats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czjS9h4Fpg&pbjreload=101
Proof: booze brings top grades
A clear correlation has been found between the amount of money colleges spend on alcohol and the percentage of firsts they receive.
A genius Cambridge grad has found a link between the money colleges spend on booze and the number of firsts their students achieve.
Churchill grad Grayden Reece-Smith has made a chart that appears to show a relationship between the amount of wine supplied by colleges and academic performance.
Students have widely accepted that this chart is the best excuse for bad behaviour since telling your mum you only read Playboy for the articles.
Speaking to The Tab, Land Economy grad Grayden said he decided to make the chart after reading about college spending on wine.
“I noticed that the colleges with the highest wine budgets were traditionally those that were also high in the Tompkins Table. I knew there would be a correlation before I made the chart.”
https://thetab.com/uk/cambridge/2014/02/04/proof-booze-brings-top-grades-33080
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1364963301835370497
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1364963342129971202
Nothing about how that would be a bad thing and should be avoided.