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Total UK vaccinations heading for 10m – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,168
edited February 2021 in General
Total UK vaccinations heading for 10m – politicalbetting.com

#COVID19 VACCINE UPDATE: Daily figures on the number of people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine in the UK.As of 1 February, 9,296,367 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination.Visit the @PHE_uk dashboard for more info:???https://t.co/cQkuLQglz1 pic.twitter.com/SsBb6G0t0s

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    Gotta focus on the important things.
  • Vaccinations: good news all round. Keep on it!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,207
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
  • If the UK vaccination rollout was a football match it would Liverpool 4 - 0 Barcelona, in the 2018/19 Champions League.
  • It's a bit weird being in a public statistic like this.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,421

    It's a bit weird being in a public statistic like this.

    Aren't you in the "top 1% of income tax payers pay 28% of income tax" statistic (on one side or the other) - and loads more besides?
  • Judging by that press conference that South African variant might be the worst thing to come out of South Africa since the vuvuzela.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    FPT

    I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist.

    But f*ck it I'm going to say this anyway. In both the UK and South Africa significantly more trasmissible variants have smashed their way through the population and now, in both countries, the rate of new cases is dropping at the same rate as they went up - in fact in SA the average number of cases has dropped by an eyewatering 44% compared to a week ago. Deaths in both countries are, so far as I can see, levelling off or dropping. In South Africa they only got their first vaccine deliveries yesterday. So why? Here's one answer -

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-africas-covid-lockdown-may-have-created-herd-immunity-12116494
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
  • It's a bit weird being in a public statistic like this.

    Aren't you in the "top 1% of income tax payers pay 28% of income tax" statistic (on one side or the other) - and loads more besides?
    Perhaps I should have been clearer.

    A literally life and death statistic like this that is in the media every day, nearly every hour.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,397
    edited February 2021

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
  • "by the end of February, vaccination should reduce deaths by two-thirds; by the end of March, they should be reduced by about 85 per cent, relative to a no-vaccine scenario."

    Plus the deaths would be coming down fast even without the vaccines, as a result of the current lockdown already reducing infection numbers. So, unless something goes wrong (always possible in this matter, especially with mutant variants popping up), we should be seeing a really quite dramatic fall in deaths over the next four weeks or so. Fingers crossed.

    Hospitalisations should also fall, but somewhat less quickly because we won't have vaccinated the younger cohorts yet (50-65, and even younger). They account for quite a lot of the hospitalisations but fewer of the deaths.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    No, your contract to be first isn't with the parent so it's unenforceable. You should have read the small print properly.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,932
    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
  • RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    Sorry - we gave your first to someone in the EU - it was the fair thing to do
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,234
    edited February 2021
    Thanks for the header.

    FPT and Off-topic (Not letting all this work go)

    Who pays for flat insulation repairs?
    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Off topic.
    I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
    The costs to them are eye-watering.
    Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.

    I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.

    But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.

    At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.
    It's a scandal. Loads of people (many in straitened circumstances) losing more money than they can afford and/or trapped and unable to move. If we weren't in a time where Covid and Brexit eat all the pies it would be all over the media and a very hot political potato.

    (Sorry about pies AND potatoes there. You can tell I've got dinner on the brain.)
    Don't get me into Dinner On The Brain - I have to learn how to fillet a (small, but whole) Tilapia some time this week. Bought on a whim at Morrisons. Several of its former friends have tried to eat Jeremy Wade !

    Agree on the cost, but what of the remedy? Who to pay, and how? At the moment it is being driven by a group of populist (?) MPs trying to save their constituents from paying.

    UK Govt as some sort of 'community' cover?

    Why socialise the cost - we others have done nothing wrong. And many of us paid the extra for a house, as we know flats are risky.

    Insulation Product companies?

    AIUI there are 2 groups of manufacturers who make this stuff - Celotex (now part of St Gobain - roots back to 1665, French and a conglomerate owning eg Jewson, Benchmark, International Timber etc - turnover 180bn, 180k employees), and Kingspan (Irish, entrpreneurial, 15k empoyees, £5bn turnover).

    Kingspan could be taken down by it. St Gobain hurt.

    Freehold owners?

    Unlikely to be enough money in it, as these are worth a few k per flat. Say 12x ground rent on a 8.5%. yield. £500 ground rent -> £6k ish.

    Why should freeholders be any more liable than owner, as they aere no more insulation material experts.

    Leaseholders?

    Currently the law seems to leave them holding the baby.

    Building Regulators?

    They and companies (depending on verdict - to cover OGH's backside) are perhaps the obvious ones who may have done something wrong - certified it and allowed others to use it. Subject to possible deception by insulation companies.

    Some sort of insurance?

    Developers?

    Are they not covered by using approved materials - if they have. Though arguably they should know better than most.

    Perhaps the way is for Govt to cover, then go after whoever the enquiry fingers afterwards.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Was thinking about how young Osborne still is, and then saw Hancock is also only 42 and many of the Cabinet are only in their 40s or early 50s. Feels quite young for a party 11 years in power, but I don't know if it is actually unusual.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    That’s right, along with an acceptance that it will never be exorcised entirely. There will be a battle with the Zero Covid brigade, who will lobby for neverending infractions on civil liberties, but liberty will ultimately prevail.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    The reduction in cases in SA is incredible.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
  • RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Nice one, Chuuk!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,875
    MattW said:

    Thanks for the header.

    FPT and Off-topic (Not letting all this work go)

    Who pays for flat insulation repairs?

    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Off topic.
    I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
    The costs to them are eye-watering.
    Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.

    I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.

    But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.

    At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.
    It's a scandal. Loads of people (many in straitened circumstances) losing more money than they can afford and/or trapped and unable to move. If we weren't in a time where Covid and Brexit eat all the pies it would be all over the media and a very hot political potato.

    (Sorry about pies AND potatoes there. You can tell I've got dinner on the brain.)
    Don't get me into Dinner On The Brain - I have to learn how to fillet a (small, but whole) Tilapia some time this week. Bought on a whim at Morrisons. Several of its former friends have tried to eat Jeremy Wade !

    Agree on the cost, but what of the remedy? Who to pay, and how? At the moment it is being driven by a group of populist (?) MPs trying to save their constituents from paying.

    UK Govt as some sort of 'community' cover?

    Why socialise the cost - we others have done nothing wrong. And many of us paid the extra for a house, as we know flats are risky.

    Insulation Product companies?

    AIUI there are 2 groups of manufacturers who make this stuff - Celotex (now part of St Gobain - roots back to 1665, French and a conglomerate owning eg Jewson, Benchmark, International Timber etc - turnover 180bn, 180k employees), and Kingspan (Irish, entrpreneurial, 15k empoyees, £5bn turnover).

    Kingspan could be taken down by it. St Gobain hurt.

    Freehold owners?

    Unlikely to be enough money in it, as these are worth a few k per flat. Say 12x ground rent on a 8.5%. yield. £500 ground rent -> £6k ish.

    Why should freeholders be any more liable than owner, as they aere no more insulation material experts.

    Leaseholders?

    Currently the law seems to leave them holding the baby.

    Building Regulators?

    They and companies (depending on verdict - to cover OGH's backside) are perhaps the obvious ones who may have done something wrong - certified it and allowed others to use it. Subject to possible deception by insulation companies.

    Some sort of insurance?

    Developers?

    Are they not covered by using approved materials - if they have. Though arguably they should know better than most.

    Perhaps the way is for Govt to cover, then go after whoever the enquiry fingers afterwards.

    Re the fish - just run a sharp knife along the side of the backbone, though one can use a power knife ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu3LIulwaw

    A lot of cooking is just trying it for the first or second time till you cotton on. And you eat thje evidence anyway.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    Minimalist doesn't do it justice.
  • How many on here have now had a jab? I've got an appointment for one next week.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Judging by that press conference that South African variant might be the worst thing to come out of South Africa since the vuvuzela.

    Probably more hysteria from you.

    I mean, how could anything be worse than that?
  • I guess Philip is off the SNP Christmas card list:

    https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1356266539931095046?s=20
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,875
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Thanks for the header.

    FPT and Off-topic (Not letting all this work go)

    Who pays for flat insulation repairs?

    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Off topic.
    I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
    The costs to them are eye-watering.
    Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.

    I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.

    But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.

    At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.
    It's a scandal. Loads of people (many in straitened circumstances) losing more money than they can afford and/or trapped and unable to move. If we weren't in a time where Covid and Brexit eat all the pies it would be all over the media and a very hot political potato.

    (Sorry about pies AND potatoes there. You can tell I've got dinner on the brain.)
    Don't get me into Dinner On The Brain - I have to learn how to fillet a (small, but whole) Tilapia some time this week. Bought on a whim at Morrisons. Several of its former friends have tried to eat Jeremy Wade !

    Agree on the cost, but what of the remedy? Who to pay, and how? At the moment it is being driven by a group of populist (?) MPs trying to save their constituents from paying.

    UK Govt as some sort of 'community' cover?

    Why socialise the cost - we others have done nothing wrong. And many of us paid the extra for a house, as we know flats are risky.

    Insulation Product companies?

    AIUI there are 2 groups of manufacturers who make this stuff - Celotex (now part of St Gobain - roots back to 1665, French and a conglomerate owning eg Jewson, Benchmark, International Timber etc - turnover 180bn, 180k employees), and Kingspan (Irish, entrpreneurial, 15k empoyees, £5bn turnover).

    Kingspan could be taken down by it. St Gobain hurt.

    Freehold owners?

    Unlikely to be enough money in it, as these are worth a few k per flat. Say 12x ground rent on a 8.5%. yield. £500 ground rent -> £6k ish.

    Why should freeholders be any more liable than owner, as they aere no more insulation material experts.

    Leaseholders?

    Currently the law seems to leave them holding the baby.

    Building Regulators?

    They and companies (depending on verdict - to cover OGH's backside) are perhaps the obvious ones who may have done something wrong - certified it and allowed others to use it. Subject to possible deception by insulation companies.

    Some sort of insurance?

    Developers?

    Are they not covered by using approved materials - if they have. Though arguably they should know better than most.

    Perhaps the way is for Govt to cover, then go after whoever the enquiry fingers afterwards.

    Re the fish - just run a sharp knife along the side of the backbone, though one can use a power knife ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu3LIulwaw

    A lot of cooking is just trying it for the first or second time till you cotton on. And you eat thje evidence anyway.
    PS I'm not sure filleting is always a good idea as one may l;ose some meat, unless you cook it for the stock and bits for soup tomorrow. Often easier to cook the thing whole, but it can be tricky not to overcook the thin bits and undercook the bit near the bone, though slashing deeply into the thick bits helps. Others on PB may differ.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2021
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
    It's the 2021 version of a discreet brass nameplate on a smart door in Mayfair.
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
    It's more that they make a big thing about ensuring deals aren't leaked before everything is done.

    Discretion is key in that sector.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    DougSeal said:

    FPT

    I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist.

    But f*ck it I'm going to say this anyway. In both the UK and South Africa significantly more trasmissible variants have smashed their way through the population and now, in both countries, the rate of new cases is dropping at the same rate as they went up - in fact in SA the average number of cases has dropped by an eyewatering 44% compared to a week ago. Deaths in both countries are, so far as I can see, levelling off or dropping. In South Africa they only got their first vaccine deliveries yesterday. So why? Here's one answer -

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-africas-covid-lockdown-may-have-created-herd-immunity-12116494

    The virus curve is very striking, it looks like a arrowhead, the dramatic increase and the dramatic decline must be how the new variant works.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    DougSeal said:

    FPT

    I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist.

    But f*ck it I'm going to say this anyway. In both the UK and South Africa significantly more trasmissible variants have smashed their way through the population and now, in both countries, the rate of new cases is dropping at the same rate as they went up - in fact in SA the average number of cases has dropped by an eyewatering 44% compared to a week ago. Deaths in both countries are, so far as I can see, levelling off or dropping. In South Africa they only got their first vaccine deliveries yesterday. So why? Here's one answer -

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-africas-covid-lockdown-may-have-created-herd-immunity-12116494

    The virus curve is very striking, it looks like a arrowhead, the dramatic increase and the dramatic decline must be how the new variant works.
    Suggests quick herd immunity - or something else?

    It’s all very strange.
  • I guess Philip is off the SNP Christmas card list:

    https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1356266539931095046?s=20

    Very prescient of OGH last night to do a thread on Sturgeon's exit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
    It's more that they make a big thing about ensuring deals aren't leaked before everything is done.

    Discretion is key in that sector.
    Gotcha - they work with dodgy people

    (Dear RobeyWarshaw, the preceding statement was made in jest, and in no way should be construed as an accusation of legal or financial impropriety on behalf of RobeyWarshaw, its employees or any of its clients)
  • DougSeal said:

    FPT

    I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist.

    But f*ck it I'm going to say this anyway. In both the UK and South Africa significantly more trasmissible variants have smashed their way through the population and now, in both countries, the rate of new cases is dropping at the same rate as they went up - in fact in SA the average number of cases has dropped by an eyewatering 44% compared to a week ago. Deaths in both countries are, so far as I can see, levelling off or dropping. In South Africa they only got their first vaccine deliveries yesterday. So why? Here's one answer -

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-africas-covid-lockdown-may-have-created-herd-immunity-12116494

    The virus curve is very striking, it looks like a arrowhead, the dramatic increase and the dramatic decline must be how the new variant works.
    Suggests quick herd immunity - or something else?

    It’s all very strange.
    Part of it is fear. Was pretty low in early in December so people ignored social distancing. By January fear was real and high, people followed the rules more closely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    I guess Philip is off the SNP Christmas card list:

    https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1356266539931095046?s=20

    Very prescient of OGH last night to do a thread on Sturgeon's exit.
    Wasn't the conclusion 'not tempted'?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
    It's the 2021 version of a discreet brass nameplate on a smart door in Mayfair.
    So what do they do? I assume not 'banking' in the traditional sense.
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
    It's more that they make a big thing about ensuring deals aren't leaked before everything is done.

    Discretion is key in that sector.
    Gotcha - they work with dodgy people

    (Dear RobeyWarshaw, the preceding statement was made in jest, and in no way should be construed as an accusation of legal or financial impropriety on behalf of RobeyWarshaw, its employees or any of its clients)
    Hah.

    They do work in mergers and acquisitions, if any of that leaked, it would move markets, and probably trigger all sorts of insider trader investigations.

    What do Anheuser-Busch InBev £79 billion ($104.3 billion) takeover of SABMiller, Royal Dutch Shell’s £35 billion ($46.2 billion) merger with BG Group, and Softbank’s £24.3 billion ($32 billion) acquisition of Arm Holdings all have in common? The boutique London M&A firm Robey Warshaw had a hand in all of them.

    https://www.firmex.com/resources/blog/meet-boutique-london-firm-besting-goldman-sachs-bank-america-deutsche-bank-uk-ma-market/
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    DougSeal said:

    FPT

    I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist.

    But f*ck it I'm going to say this anyway. In both the UK and South Africa significantly more trasmissible variants have smashed their way through the population and now, in both countries, the rate of new cases is dropping at the same rate as they went up - in fact in SA the average number of cases has dropped by an eyewatering 44% compared to a week ago. Deaths in both countries are, so far as I can see, levelling off or dropping. In South Africa they only got their first vaccine deliveries yesterday. So why? Here's one answer -

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-africas-covid-lockdown-may-have-created-herd-immunity-12116494

    The virus curve is very striking, it looks like a arrowhead, the dramatic increase and the dramatic decline must be how the new variant works.
    Suggests quick herd immunity - or something else?

    It’s all very strange.
    Part of it is fear. Was pretty low in early in December so people ignored social distancing. By January fear was real and high, people followed the rules more closely.
    I agree with that, as an example Supermarkets are always very quiet now, but the rate of increase when you really couldn't do much and now the rate of decrease when you are doing slightly less then you were in December must have another explanation.
  • kle4 said:

    I guess Philip is off the SNP Christmas card list:

    https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1356266539931095046?s=20

    Very prescient of OGH last night to do a thread on Sturgeon's exit.
    Wasn't the conclusion 'not tempted'?
    Yup, but Mike has a good nose for news.

    (Obviously because he's a former journalist.)
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    Let's hope so. Robey Warshaw is a hell of a place to do a spot of cash-topping-up.
    Fun fact, I was once at the same dinner table as Lady Robey.

    Christ on a bike, the champagnes they were ordering cost more than a week in a cottage in The Cotswolds.
    Their website is a masterpiece:

    http://www.robeywarshaw.com/
    One of those 'if you need to ask who we are and what we do, you can't afford us' situations, or just trying to beat website squatters?
    It's the 2021 version of a discreet brass nameplate on a smart door in Mayfair.
    So what do they do? I assume not 'banking' in the traditional sense.
    Traditional corporate finance - advising on (very big) takeovers and mergers.
  • MattW said:

    Thanks for the header.

    FPT and Off-topic (Not letting all this work go)

    Who pays for flat insulation repairs?

    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Off topic.
    I would hate to be a leaseholder with a flat , with cladding that is now classed as dangerous.
    The costs to them are eye-watering.
    Many will face bankruptcy for no fault of ther own.

    I think it is a good call by Lab to chase this. Govt very much need to have a way out of this now.

    But I have yet to see any real proposals for going after the insulation companies.

    At the moment it all seems to be about narratives for victims with votes.
    It's a scandal. Loads of people (many in straitened circumstances) losing more money than they can afford and/or trapped and unable to move. If we weren't in a time where Covid and Brexit eat all the pies it would be all over the media and a very hot political potato.

    (Sorry about pies AND potatoes there. You can tell I've got dinner on the brain.)
    Don't get me into Dinner On The Brain - I have to learn how to fillet a (small, but whole) Tilapia some time this week. Bought on a whim at Morrisons. Several of its former friends have tried to eat Jeremy Wade !

    Agree on the cost, but what of the remedy? Who to pay, and how? At the moment it is being driven by a group of populist (?) MPs trying to save their constituents from paying.

    UK Govt as some sort of 'community' cover?

    Why socialise the cost - we others have done nothing wrong. And many of us paid the extra for a house, as we know flats are risky.

    Insulation Product companies?

    AIUI there are 2 groups of manufacturers who make this stuff - Celotex (now part of St Gobain - roots back to 1665, French and a conglomerate owning eg Jewson, Benchmark, International Timber etc - turnover 180bn, 180k employees), and Kingspan (Irish, entrpreneurial, 15k empoyees, £5bn turnover).

    Kingspan could be taken down by it. St Gobain hurt.

    Freehold owners?

    Unlikely to be enough money in it, as these are worth a few k per flat. Say 12x ground rent on a 8.5%. yield. £500 ground rent -> £6k ish.

    Why should freeholders be any more liable than owner, as they aere no more insulation material experts.

    Leaseholders?

    Currently the law seems to leave them holding the baby.

    Building Regulators?

    They and companies (depending on verdict - to cover OGH's backside) are perhaps the obvious ones who may have done something wrong - certified it and allowed others to use it. Subject to possible deception by insulation companies.

    Some sort of insurance?

    Developers?

    Are they not covered by using approved materials - if they have. Though arguably they should know better than most.

    Perhaps the way is for Govt to cover, then go after whoever the enquiry fingers afterwards.

    Good post explaining the problems but it is not acceptable for the govt to say its difficult and leave it there.

    They need to decide who is paying and make it happen. Perhaps it should be split several ways across the different groups, including the government, leaseholders, freeholders, builders and insurers. Suddenly each is dealing with 20% of the cost and it starts to be more achievable.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
  • If the UK vaccination rollout was a football match it would Liverpool 4 - 0 Barcelona, in the 2018/19 Champions League.

    According to Sky it is only appearing to go ok....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,204
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    Yep. That's the dream.
  • They really are a bunch of 'dunces'

    They make Boris and Hancock look like statesmen
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    DougSeal said:

    FPT

    I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a scientist.

    But f*ck it I'm going to say this anyway. In both the UK and South Africa significantly more trasmissible variants have smashed their way through the population and now, in both countries, the rate of new cases is dropping at the same rate as they went up - in fact in SA the average number of cases has dropped by an eyewatering 44% compared to a week ago. Deaths in both countries are, so far as I can see, levelling off or dropping. In South Africa they only got their first vaccine deliveries yesterday. So why? Here's one answer -

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-south-africas-covid-lockdown-may-have-created-herd-immunity-12116494

    The virus curve is very striking, it looks like a arrowhead, the dramatic increase and the dramatic decline must be how the new variant works.
    Suggests quick herd immunity - or something else?

    It’s all very strange.
    Part of it is fear. Was pretty low in early in December so people ignored social distancing. By January fear was real and high, people followed the rules more closely.
    Hmm. Not sure about that TBH.
  • If the UK vaccination rollout was a football match it would Liverpool 4 - 0 Barcelona, in the 2018/19 Champions League.

    According to Sky it is only appearing to go ok....
    Well Liverpool only led 1 nil at half time.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
  • Hancock was actually mildly impressive in that presser earlier. That's a turn up.

    Great to hear about new vaccine manufacturing facilities opening up across the U.K.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,204
    Scott_xP said:
    He'll thrive there, I would imagine.

    Well done George.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    Only if your surname was Sainsbury.

    Allegedly.
  • So the police are getting less violent?
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited February 2021
    The crips induct people early thesedays, you have to be cautious.

    I wonder what these coppers used to do before they wore bodycameras if this is what they do with them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,598
    edited February 2021
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    A twofer Covid and flu jab would have a far greater uptake than flu alone. Because - well, who'd want to take the risk of Covid. So, the long-term impact of Covid 19 might be to greatly reduce flu deaths - which has always been a big (and sometimes huge) number.

    Let's hear it for Covid 19....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,204
    @MattW

    Surcharge on developers?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    A twofer Covid and flu jab would have a far greater uptake than flu alone. Because - well, who'd want to take the risk of Covid. So, the long-term impact of Covid 19 might be to greatly reduce flu deaths - which has always been a big (and sometimes huge) number.

    Let's hear it for Covid 19....
    Dear bought shall those songs be, and yet well bought. Good shall come of that evil, and evil yet good to have been.

    (Can anyone place that quotation? It is quite an obscure one.)
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    Probably doesn't cheer them up, though.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    Probably doesn't cheer them up, though.
    B)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    Many thanks for the advice yesterday. Partner is now on the group 2 priority list at our GP, and has been told she will hear within a week.
    A reminder to others. GP's don't necessarily, magically know your occupation. If you are a designated priority worker they want to know.
    Even if their website asks you not to contact them about your vaccine.
    Tell your friends to call or email them with proof.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    If the UK vaccination rollout was a football match it would Liverpool 4 - 0 Barcelona, in the 2018/19 Champions League.

    According to Sky it is only appearing to go ok....
    Hopefully it is not like the Milan 3 Liverpool 0 half time.
  • I'm confident/hopeful that the vaccination drive will reduce deaths ultimately by more than the amount quoted - albeit with the a few weeks lag due to the gap between vaccination to protection. Regrettably lots of current infections and hospitalisations need to wind out to a conclusion one way or another.

    But going forwards yes vaccinations should help protect the vaccinated individual against death, but they should also help build an element of herd immunity towards reducing the spread of the virus.

    I suspect we're already seeing a factor of that with the vaccination of care and NHS workers who were unwitting superspreaders of the virus.

    If the vaccine protects the vaccinated against death and protects others against spread then R should come down sustainably below 1.

    So long as everyone gets their vaccine - and so long as we don't import a vaccine-resistant variant, which is why it should be mandatory hotel quarantines from now until when we can declare the pandemic over. Once lifted, never again for this pandemic should we have domestic restrictions as opposed to international ones.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,598
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    And I'm going nowhere.

    I have right on my side.
  • dixiedean said:

    Many thanks for the advice yesterday. Partner is now on the group 2 priority list at our GP, and has been told she will hear within a week.
    A reminder to others. GP's don't necessarily, magically know your occupation. If you are a designated priority worker they want to know.
    Even if their website asks you not to contact them about your vaccine.
    Tell your friends to call or email them with proof.

    Glad the advice helped.
  • dixiedean said:

    If the UK vaccination rollout was a football match it would Liverpool 4 - 0 Barcelona, in the 2018/19 Champions League.

    According to Sky it is only appearing to go ok....
    Hopefully it is not like the Milan 3 Liverpool 0 half time.
    Or it is, but the vaccination drive is the second-half onwards.

    2020 was the first half.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
    What sort of accountant did your father have? My father bought a tractor or two a bit early, hey presto full grant.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited February 2021

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
    Weirdly, due to the Coalition's reforms, I got more in grants for my PGCE year than I got in loans for the whole of my BA.

    Despite that, if I had taken out a tuition fee loan it would have doubled my liability to the SLC (which is why I didn't, given Kevin O'Connor and I were in an increasingly acrimonious correspondence over his inability to read a calendar, do basic maths or write simple sentences).
  • Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, Husband was tested and does not have blood clot or pneumonia, as feared, but does have fibrosis on his lungs caused, I imagine, by this blasted virus. His O2 levels are at the low end of what is normal but he is back home.

    Feels rough and sleeping a great deal. So we hang on for better days.

    Brother is getting his first jab next week.

    He's younger than me!

    But am pleased for him.

    Good news! Fingers still crossed for him.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
    What sort of accountant did your father have? My father bought a tractor or two a bit early, hey presto full grant.
    It is very hard to describe yourself as poor when your father was an NHS Doctor.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    A twofer Covid and flu jab would have a far greater uptake than flu alone. Because - well, who'd want to take the risk of Covid. So, the long-term impact of Covid 19 might be to greatly reduce flu deaths - which has always been a big (and sometimes huge) number.

    Let's hear it for Covid 19....
    Dear bought shall those songs be, and yet well bought. Good shall come of that evil, and evil yet good to have been.

    (Can anyone place that quotation? It is quite an obscure one.)
    My first guess was confirmed by Google.
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    A twofer Covid and flu jab would have a far greater uptake than flu alone. Because - well, who'd want to take the risk of Covid. So, the long-term impact of Covid 19 might be to greatly reduce flu deaths - which has always been a big (and sometimes huge) number.

    Let's hear it for Covid 19....
    Dear bought shall those songs be, and yet well bought. Good shall come of that evil, and evil yet good to have been.

    (Can anyone place that quotation? It is quite an obscure one.)
    JRRT?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,380
    kle4 said:

    Heinz Brandenburg sounds like the fake name I would choose as an undercover spy in Germany if given only 2 seconds to think of one.
    I think when the time comes, Heinz's relative will probably be getting the Sputnik vaccine.
  • If you work in the EU Commission and your first reaction on seeing the words “Northern Ireland Protocol” isn’t “I need to check whether the lawyers and Barnier’s team are involved” then you shouldn’t be working in the Cion.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,204

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
    A working class hero is something to be.
    No grant for you but a full one for ME.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    A twofer Covid and flu jab would have a far greater uptake than flu alone. Because - well, who'd want to take the risk of Covid. So, the long-term impact of Covid 19 might be to greatly reduce flu deaths - which has always been a big (and sometimes huge) number.

    Let's hear it for Covid 19....
    Dear bought shall those songs be, and yet well bought. Good shall come of that evil, and evil yet good to have been.

    (Can anyone place that quotation? It is quite an obscure one.)
    My first guess was confirmed by Google.
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Saffers variant found in different areas of London....game over...its already everywhere.

    Are you suggesting we are all going to die? It all depends how the Safferbug responds to the vaccine
    Moderna and Pfizer have said they expect only a small impact on efficacy.

    J&J's vaccine has actual data, and showed efficacy was at 52% for the South African version vs 72% for the US version of Covid.
    Novovax did too, 95% against normal COVID, 85% against Kent COVID and around 60% against SA COVID. Crucially it still has 100% efficacy for hospitalisation and death against SA COVID.
    This is the really key thing: can we drop hospitalisations and deaths down sharply?

    Because if we can, we turn CV19 into the flu.
    Yes totally agree, of we can turn it into an annual booster shot for the over 50s we've beaten it,at least in the UK where we could probably roll it into the flu jab scheme after a while.
    A twofer Covid and flu jab would have a far greater uptake than flu alone. Because - well, who'd want to take the risk of Covid. So, the long-term impact of Covid 19 might be to greatly reduce flu deaths - which has always been a big (and sometimes huge) number.

    Let's hear it for Covid 19....
    Dear bought shall those songs be, and yet well bought. Good shall come of that evil, and evil yet good to have been.

    (Can anyone place that quotation? It is quite an obscure one.)
    JRRT?
    It is indeed from JRR Tolkien's The Silmarillion.
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
    What sort of accountant did your father have? My father bought a tractor or two a bit early, hey presto full grant.
    It is very hard to describe yourself as poor when your father was an NHS Doctor.
    I can see it's harder to argue the poor weather that year has reduced his income substantially...
  • ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Fantastic news. That I'm first.

    I just struck an agreement to be first, I’d like to take your place from you because contracts.
    I signed an agreement 2 seconds ago (yes I know that's 14 minutes / 3 months later than MarqueeMark's post) with Philip_Thompson (random poster that isn't OGH) that my post would be first.

    How dare you not give me my rightful first post.
    I think we're going to have to have implement a "First" export notification system, just to ensure I get fair dibs on the current production quotas.
    I am prepared to enter a contract with you (or others) to allow you to be first on threads in exchange for a fee.

    This contract will be governed by the laws of The Federated States of Micronesia.
    Don't do it anyone - others may have agreement with OGH, a separate legal entity, and you won't be entitled to jack.
    Hush.
    What about guaranteed first places to those who make the biggest donation to site funds. A bit like Oxford/Cambridge college admissions were said to be.
    No donations in my time.

    I was the last year to get my university fees paid for by the taxpayer.

    My father said me going to university saved him so much money because he was no longer paying private school fees.
    Some of us are old enough to have had a grant.

    Explaining that concept to my sixth-form students is something I reserve for moments when I need cheering up.
    They had grants in my day, I just wasn't eligible for them, I think I got a £100 allowance by accident.
    Weirdly, due to the Coalition's reforms, I got more in grants for my PGCE year than I got in loans for the whole of my BA.

    Despite that, if I had taken out a tuition fee loan it would have doubled my liability to the SLC (which is why I didn't, given Kevin O'Connor and I were in an increasingly acrimonious correspondence over his inability to read a calendar, do basic maths or write simple sentences).
    £0 for undergraduate years (no fees, though), then a whopping £6,000 bursary for PGCE (didn't need a student loan, as I'd been working for years prior to retraining). Thanks, early 00s teacher shortage!

    I also got some kind of travel grant to cover my placement travel costs from the council. And a tax rebate. Great days.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,234

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Finally found the limit on number of jobs to have at any one time I guess.
    I still think Lord Osborne will be in the Cabinet by 2024. He’s topping up his cash in advance.
    But a private vineyard in the garden is as good as a duckhouse on the moat.
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