Not sure why things will speed dramatically when they get to the over 60s. The Times source suggests that is because pharmacies will be involved. Why aren't they involved before then?
Another place that was often reported to have handled the first wave fairly well, with all the big tech bros pushing the lockdowns.
Hang on.
SoCal is Hollywood, not tech,
Northern California is Silicon Valley and big tech and San Francisco. They are doing a lot better than we are.
I was talking about California as a whole.
Fair enough, but it is worth noting that they've done much better in the SF/Bay Area than in Los Angeles. (Which surprises me, because the weather is much worse up there, and people are much more dependent on public transport.)
I just looked at the California dashboard (https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/) and was staggered to discover that 55% of Covid cases in California are Latino, against 20% for Whites.
Another place that was often reported to have handled the first wave fairly well, with all the big tech bros pushing the lockdowns.
Hang on.
SoCal is Hollywood, not tech,
Northern California is Silicon Valley and big tech and San Francisco. They are doing a lot better than we are.
Hollywood seems to have been able to get a lot of exceptions. There was a video a few months ago of a restaurant owner in tears because she had to shut down while a film studio set up huge tents nearby.
For crying out loud, Mike: stop pandering to the loonies
The issue's clear. The country seems to love Johnson: but only like it loved Churchill in Jan 45. So the instant that threat's gone, they'll kick the fuckwit out.
This time's different, though. Johnson's stopped food arriving in Britain because - well, who the fuck knows? He promised the day after the Referendum he'd stay in the Single Market, even though only Commie dickheads supported the EU. And since then, not a single fucking deal he's negotiated gives us any kind of advantage we didn't have before.
So the instant we stop worrying about the thousands of unnecessary deaths his fuckwit chums have dumped on us, he'll be out - like the fuckwits who joined him in the fuckwittery of leaving the Single Market.
That's all anyone needs to know.
Johnson's obsession with never telling the truth if he can invent a lie is all well and good. But only fuckwits leave the Single Market: even the fucking Norwegians want to stay in, in spite of being both the thickest and richest people in Europe.
So we'll be back in the Single Market the moment we're not distracted by the biggest death toll in human memory
Something even the peabrained actuaries who infest this site would realise if they switched their pea brains on for a second.
Not sure why things will speed dramatically when they get to the over 60s. The Times source suggests that is because pharmacies will be involved. Why aren't they involved before then?
Presumably, the younger people are, the easier for them to get there under their own steam.
The Boris paradox for the Sturge is every day he is PM, support for Indy remains, but she won't get an IndyRef whilst he remains.
BoZo can't stop her holding a referendum with the same legal weight as the Brexit vote.
Of course he can, any referendum without UK government and Westminster consent would be illegal and irrelevant as Madrid proved when it ignored the illegal referendum held by the Catalan government
I am not sure you are correct.
Don't forget the Brexit vote was advisory rather than binding.
I would imagine Nippy can do pretty much as she likes regarding plebiscite arrangements. Where she is hamstrung is that she can't legally declare UDI on the result.
s30 of the Scotland Act 1998 specifically reserves matters affecting the Union to be decided by Westminster and Westminster's approval alone is required for such matters.
No one is denying that. If Nippy calls a Referendum and wins, Johnson is perfectly entitled to reject it. However it would look bad!
Boris would not give a shit, it would look far worse for him if he allowed a referendum that risked him being the PM who lost the Union and he only has 6 Scottish MPs anyway.
He will be the PM who lost the Union. No hiding place.
He won't if he refuses a legal indyref as long as he is PM or he will pass the ball to Starmer in 2024 who if he needs SNP support to become PM may have to concede with a devomax offer to try and win it
But that will be one of those spectacular "assists" that are remembered more than the tap in.
He'll be the man who lost the union. No way round this. It's written.
The government are really pushing...it seems like a deliberate strategy to keep introducing these new stretch targets. I like it. If only they did this with other things.
Well sure sometimes it works, but sometimes just escalting your previous promises does not work, just as the South Sea Company.
The Boris paradox for the Sturge is every day he is PM, support for Indy remains, but she won't get an IndyRef whilst he remains.
BoZo can't stop her holding a referendum with the same legal weight as the Brexit vote.
Of course he can, any referendum without UK government and Westminster consent would be illegal and irrelevant as Madrid proved when it ignored the illegal referendum held by the Catalan government
I am not sure you are correct.
Don't forget the Brexit vote was advisory rather than binding.
I would imagine Nippy can do pretty much as she likes regarding plebiscite arrangements. Where she is hamstrung is that she can't legally declare UDI on the result.
s30 of the Scotland Act 1998 specifically reserves matters affecting the Union to be decided by Westminster and Westminster's approval alone is required for such matters.
No one is denying that. If Nippy calls a Referendum and wins, Johnson is perfectly entitled to reject it. However it would look bad!
Boris would not give a shit, it would look far worse for him if he allowed a referendum that risked him being the PM who lost the Union and he only has 6 Scottish MPs anyway.
He will be the PM who lost the Union. No hiding place.
He won't if he refuses a legal indyref as long as he is PM or he will pass the ball to Starmer in 2024 who if he needs SNP support to become PM may have to concede with a devomax offer to try and win it
But that will be one of those spectacular "assists" that are remembered more than the tap in.
He'll be the man who lost the union. No way round this. It's written.
No sorry. History doesn't work like that. Cameron is now remembered for Brexit, even though most of the problems and errors that led to it were not his doing,
Major is remembered for the ERM debacle, even tho, etc
If it happens on your watch, you get the blame.
Boris will be remembered for Covid and Actual Brexit. We have yet to see how history will judge him, so far the auguries are not great but he has time, maybe, to redeem.
He will fend off indyref2 and give to his successor, who will, very probably, have to grasp the thistle. He or she will live or die thereby
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Except that there was an explicit pledge in the 2019 Conservative manifesto to "raise standards in areas like workers' rights", and "we will legislate to ensure high standards of workers' rights".
So is the point to overturn manifesto commitments? Surely not?
We Brexiteers are being blamed for the problems we warned about
As problems mount for UK businesses, both in dealing with mainland Europe and regarding Northern Ireland, don’t be surprised if Brexit and Brexiteers get the blame for what is a failure of Government, as the possibility of reintegration via the backdoor looms.
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Was it in the Tory manifesto? If not, what mandate do they have? Personally I'd rather governments didn't have the opportunity to take away my rights with no democratic mandate.
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
I feel obliged to bring Dazza up after one former PB poster described him as the intelligent young face of the right.
I respect Steve Baker standing up for his views, much as I disagree with them I'm sure they are sincerely held, but this is political madness. Even if he has the votes from MPs to trigger a VoNC there's no way he has the numbers to win one. This issue, as OGH says, isn't one in which he'll have the public on his side or even the membership I strongly suspect. He's sticking his head way above the parapet on perhaps the weakest issue he could find. It's just not going to work.
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Was it in the Tory manifesto? If not, what mandate do they have? Personally I'd rather governments didn't have the opportunity to take away my rights with no democratic mandate.
Manifestoes don't give a mandate anyway - when a government wants to do something in it which people really don't like they don't stop opposing it because it was in there, and they do things like point out that people don't agree with everything in a manifesto so you cannot assume everyone who voted for you supports it and provides a mandate for it.
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
I feel obliged to bring Dazza up after one former PB poster described him as the intelligent young face of the right.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
One would expect, assuming other vaccines are approved and supply continues to ramp up, that the pace of vaccinations will keep rising. One would also expect R to fall as more people are vaccinated - even if the protection is only partial.
I don't know about you, @Foxy, but I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the world.
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
I feel obliged to bring Dazza up after one former PB poster described him as the intelligent young face of the right.
"Dazza"?
You can do better than that. It only elicits a minor *Ugh*.
After all , you're the guy who warned us about "PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS" so I feel a similar level of scrotum-tighteningly cringeworthy "I like Drill even tho I'm 80" fake matey yoof creole is required here.
279k first jabs, 288k total jabs done yesterday. That's a reasonably good figure, another 70-80k on top and we'll smash through that target and if we do get to 500k per day next week as they are planning the we'll be down to group six or seven by the middle of Feb.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
To get that figure, the first 2 weeks after the first injection are ignored, and the week after the second injection added in, so based on very small numbers. The Confidence Intervals are high, and we do not know yet how long the immunity lasts. The AZN vaccine is noticeably lower protection after the first dose.
We should know by the end of Feb how reliable a single dose is, particularly in the elderly, who do mount a more feeble response to vaccines in general.
If the gamble comes off, plaudits all round, but if it doesn't...
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Was it in the Tory manifesto? If not, what mandate do they have? Personally I'd rather governments didn't have the opportunity to take away my rights with no democratic mandate.
Just something about a red tape challenge. Nothing more.
I don't think it will be tinkered with except at the margins. And I think it's irrelevant anyway.
Firstly we already had a WTD opt-out anyway (and most professional people sign that waiver upon signing a contract) and social pressures on mental health and competitive market pressures on work/life balance for employees is doing more for reasonable working hours than regulation ever would.
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Was it in the Tory manifesto? If not, what mandate do they have? Personally I'd rather governments didn't have the opportunity to take away my rights with no democratic mandate.
Manifestoes don't give a mandate anyway - when a government wants to do something in it which people really don't like they don't stop opposing it because it was in there, and they do things like point out that people don't agree with everything in a manifesto so you cannot assume everyone who voted for you supports it and provides a mandate for it.
Better than nothing, but awfully limited.
I just don't understand why it is considered an improvement that a government can take away people's rights, having not even sought a democratic mandate to do so.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
To get that figure, the first 2 weeks after the first injection are ignored, and the week after the second injection added in, so based on very small numbers. The Confidence Intervals are high, and we do not know yet how long the immunity lasts. The AZN vaccine is noticeably lower protection after the first dose.
We should know by the end of Feb how reliable a single dose is, particularly in the elderly, who do mount a more feeble response to vaccines in general.
If the gamble comes off, plaudits all round, but if it doesn't...
Informative, thankyou. I believe the gamble is justified. This is a war, and in war you have to balance one evil against another, worse outcome
Cases wildly accelerating in Spain. 36.000 today, close to a new pandemic record
Their sluggishness in rolling out the vaccine is..... bewildering
You can't give people something that you don't have? And most of europe doesn't have any vaccine.
Which is an absolutely shocking state of affairs.
You seem almost sanguine.
You described it as “a shame” earlier, as if it was a slightly overdone rib of beef of a Sunday lunchtime, or a good prosciutto salad left too long in the sun.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
The 9-12 week gap could tak the AZ vaccine up to 95% efficacy but unfortunately the trial size for that delta was small. We're just going to have to wait for the actual programme for more information on efficacy with a larger gap between doses.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
One would expect, assuming other vaccines are approved and supply continues to ramp up, that the pace of vaccinations will keep rising. One would also expect R to fall as more people are vaccinated - even if the protection is only partial.
I don't know about you, @Foxy, but I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the world.
Basically: cheer up man!
We ain't seen the bill yet, either financially, or on the NHS.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
If Oxford-AZ turns out to be mid 80s then yay. Low 60s, meh. We don't know yet, surely. Their testing was a bit pff
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
One would expect, assuming other vaccines are approved and supply continues to ramp up, that the pace of vaccinations will keep rising. One would also expect R to fall as more people are vaccinated - even if the protection is only partial.
I don't know about you, @Foxy, but I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the world.
Basically: cheer up man!
Some pretty steep reductions in new cases in London, Kent and Essex as well:
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Makes no difference to the Pensioners and "dole scum" who voted for it.
My stepson who has never done a days work in the last 20 yrs and has 10 kids with his various partners of the same ilk tweeted "Independence Day" on 1.1.21
Its the people paying his benefits who will be hardest hit
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Was it in the Tory manifesto? If not, what mandate do they have? Personally I'd rather governments didn't have the opportunity to take away my rights with no democratic mandate.
Just something about a red tape challenge. Nothing more.
I don't think it will be tinkered with except at the margins. And I think it's irrelevant anyway.
Firstly we already had a WTD opt-out anyway (and most professional people sign that waiver upon signing a contract) and social pressures on mental health and competitive market pressures on work/life balance for employees is doing more for reasonable working hours than regulation ever would.
I honestly wouldn't worry about it.
Nothing to see here... Not sure if you've ever worked at the sharp end of the labour market or only in nice white collar jobs with dress down Friday. My first job was £1.50 an hour, twelve hour shifts, not getting paid for the last hour of your shift. There are people who absolutely need protection from the "nanny state" in the shape of these kind of rules. Where is the mandate to take these protections away? How many times were we told that Brexit definitely wasn't about eroding workers' rights?
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
I feel obliged to bring Dazza up after one former PB poster described him as the intelligent young face of the right.
"Dazza"?
You can do better than that. It only elicits a minor *Ugh*.
After all , you're the guy who warned us about "PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS" so I feel a similar level of scrotum-tighteningly cringeworthy "I like Drill even tho I'm 80" fake matey yoof creole is required here.
Ta, fam
You’re the bloke that thinks the Zhou Enlai ‘too early to tell’ guff is cutting edge insight. Maybe you need to get down with the kids more grandad, they’d have cleared that one up for you.
279k first jabs, 288k total jabs done yesterday. That's a reasonably good figure, another 70-80k on top and we'll smash through that target and if we do get to 500k per day next week as they are planning the we'll be down to group six or seven by the middle of Feb.
Yes, the acceleration looks decent now. Snowy weather up north not ideal as you would expect it to affect today’s return. Fingers crossed it’s not had too much of an impact.
Love the responses to that. A bunch of FBPE-ers saying "surely this is because Brexit" and the Remainer tweeter having to answer "No, this is because Covid",
Of course it's fucking Covid. In a deadly global plague you want to go home
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
If Oxford-AZ turns out to be mid 80s then yay. Low 60s, meh. We don't know yet, surely. Their testing was a bit pff
A 60% vaccine that is piss easy to store and distribute is great to have at this stage in the game.
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
I feel obliged to bring Dazza up after one former PB poster described him as the intelligent young face of the right.
"Dazza"?
You can do better than that. It only elicits a minor *Ugh*.
After all , you're the guy who warned us about "PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS" so I feel a similar level of scrotum-tighteningly cringeworthy "I like Drill even tho I'm 80" fake matey yoof creole is required here.
Ta, fam
You’re the bloke that thinks the Zhou Enlai ‘too early to tell’ guff is cutting edge insight. Maybe you need to get down with the kids more grandad, they’d have cleared that one up for you.
PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS
Why didn't you put a Z on Probz, or indeed Boyz? You clearly hang out in the bars of Eyemouth, so you know how they stan Z bruh
I feel like Grimes is the equivalent of those obscure, radical accounts that people on the right like to quote to show how crazy the left are, as he seem to be brought up exclusively by people who don't like him.
I feel obliged to bring Dazza up after one former PB poster described him as the intelligent young face of the right.
"Dazza"?
You can do better than that. It only elicits a minor *Ugh*.
After all , you're the guy who warned us about "PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS" so I feel a similar level of scrotum-tighteningly cringeworthy "I like Drill even tho I'm 80" fake matey yoof creole is required here.
Ta, fam
You’re the bloke that thinks the Zhou Enlai ‘too early to tell’ guff is cutting edge insight. Maybe you need to get down with the kids more grandad, they’d have cleared that one up for you.
PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS
Why didn't you put a Z on Probz, or indeed Boyz? You clearly hang out in the bars of Eyemouth, so you know how they stan Z bruh
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
Yes, Oxford because of the snobbery.
I'd be more than happy with the Oxford vaccine, particularly if the claim that close to 100% of those taking it, even if they do not become immune, will at worst get a mild form of the disease, without needing hospitalization.
But, being in the States, I guess there is a good chance I won't be up for mine until Novovax and J&J are also online. The J&J one sounds the way to go if given a choice.
Love the responses to that. A bunch of FBPE-ers saying "surely this is because Brexit" and the Remainer tweeter having to answer "No, this is because Covid",
Of course it's fucking Covid. In a deadly global plague you want to go home
The reason seems quite obvious to me - living and working in London. All the cafes, pubs, bars, restaurants, shops etc that catered to the commuting population used
- overwhelmingly foreign workers - pay by the hour
So when these places shut, you had large numbers of people with no pay but paying London rents.
So it is entirely unsurprising to me that that they went home to be unemployed and live in Mum&Dad Hotel.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
One would expect, assuming other vaccines are approved and supply continues to ramp up, that the pace of vaccinations will keep rising. One would also expect R to fall as more people are vaccinated - even if the protection is only partial.
I don't know about you, @Foxy, but I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the world.
Basically: cheer up man!
We ain't seen the bill yet, either financially, or on the NHS.
"So, Foxy, the D Day Landings were a success, and while there's a long hard march to Berlin, with many troubles ahead of us, we can now look to the end of the War."
"Bah, don't be too optimistic. We may have beaten the Germans, but we've still massive debts and the country's industrial capacity and housing stock have been hammered. It's dark days ahead."
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Yes... but don't forget that 80% of the doses we're going to be giving out in the next few months will be AZN, which is much mess efficacious.
That is uncertain. As I understand it. Oxford-AZ's efficacy is "good", it may be "very good". We don't know yet
Both the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) have c. 95% efficacy. The adenovirus vaccines, whether Chinese, Russian or British appear to be in the low 60s to the mid 80s. That's not awful, but it is substantially less than with Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
If Oxford-AZ turns out to be mid 80s then yay. Low 60s, meh. We don't know yet, surely. Their testing was a bit pff
A 60% vaccine that is piss easy to store and distribute is great to have at this stage in the game.
If half a million vaccinations a day are reached then almost the whole country will be done by the end of March.
As I mentioned earlier, HALF DONE...
As I understand it, the first dose of, say, Pfizer, gives 80-90% protection, and the 2nd just tops this up to 90%+? Am I wrong?
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
To get that figure, the first 2 weeks after the first injection are ignored, and the week after the second injection added in, so based on very small numbers. The Confidence Intervals are high, and we do not know yet how long the immunity lasts. The AZN vaccine is noticeably lower protection after the first dose.
We should know by the end of Feb how reliable a single dose is, particularly in the elderly, who do mount a more feeble response to vaccines in general.
If the gamble comes off, plaudits all round, but if it doesn't...
Informative, thankyou. I believe the gamble is justified. This is a war, and in war you have to balance one evil against another, worse outcome
We know that there is a real problem of poor response to immunisation from single dose vaccines in the elderly, a group that barely featured in the AZN studies. A booster vaccine greatly improves efficacy:
Love the responses to that. A bunch of FBPE-ers saying "surely this is because Brexit" and the Remainer tweeter having to answer "No, this is because Covid",
Of course it's fucking Covid. In a deadly global plague you want to go home
The reason seems quite obvious to me - living and working in London. All the cafes, pubs, bars, restaurants, shops etc that catered to the commuting population used
- overwhelmingly foreign workers - pay by the hour
So when these places shut, you had large numbers of people with no pay but paying London rents.
So it is entirely unsurprising to me that that they went home to be unemployed and live in Mum&Dad Hotel.
The question follows: what happens when things get back to normal? Not going to be that easy for these people to come back, will it?
Oh wow, Brexit turns out to be all about tearing up workers' rights. Who could have predicted that?
Why should workers have rights anyway? Just do your work and shut up. The robots are coming. You are lucky to have a job at all. Frankly
I'll be surprised if the Government enacts these measures as advertised but the thing about Brexit is that a Tory Government could deregulate things like this and then a Labour government come back in two-three years later and put them straight back in again, or even strengthen them further.
Thats kind of the point.
Was it in the Tory manifesto? If not, what mandate do they have? Personally I'd rather governments didn't have the opportunity to take away my rights with no democratic mandate.
Just something about a red tape challenge. Nothing more.
I don't think it will be tinkered with except at the margins. And I think it's irrelevant anyway.
Firstly we already had a WTD opt-out anyway (and most professional people sign that waiver upon signing a contract) and social pressures on mental health and competitive market pressures on work/life balance for employees is doing more for reasonable working hours than regulation ever would.
I honestly wouldn't worry about it.
Nothing to see here... Not sure if you've ever worked at the sharp end of the labour market or only in nice white collar jobs with dress down Friday. My first job was £1.50 an hour, twelve hour shifts, not getting paid for the last hour of your shift. There are people who absolutely need protection from the "nanny state" in the shape of these kind of rules. Where is the mandate to take these protections away? How many times were we told that Brexit definitely wasn't about eroding workers' rights?
The clue was in Brexit being supported by Jacob Rees Mogg, who literally dresses like Scrooge-meets-Dracula, with a dash of Flashman, and also looks like an etiolated but ennobled Victorian workhouse CEO, and actually jokes about fish-minded Scotsmen losing their livelihoods, in the House of Commons. And is a multi-millionaire who had a nanny
There's a bunch of clues, there, for those of a Sherlockian disposition.
A it happens, the British people in their wisdom chose to ignore or dismiss then, and here we are. Brexiting. The will of the British people is done.
The Crown s4... Gillian Anderson’s Maggie is pretty ridiculous isn’t it?
It's a really unrealistic portrayal. She seems almost human in places.
LOLs.
To me it was an actresses overplaying a cartoon character version of a person drawn from folk mythology of the real thing, while very self-consciously thinking she was delivering an Oscar-worthy performance.
The Boris paradox for the Sturge is every day he is PM, support for Indy remains, but she won't get an IndyRef whilst he remains.
BoZo can't stop her holding a referendum with the same legal weight as the Brexit vote.
Of course he can, any referendum without UK government and Westminster consent would be illegal and irrelevant as Madrid proved when it ignored the illegal referendum held by the Catalan government
I am not sure you are correct.
Don't forget the Brexit vote was advisory rather than binding.
I would imagine Nippy can do pretty much as she likes regarding plebiscite arrangements. Where she is hamstrung is that she can't legally declare UDI on the result.
s30 of the Scotland Act 1998 specifically reserves matters affecting the Union to be decided by Westminster and Westminster's approval alone is required for such matters.
No one is denying that. If Nippy calls a Referendum and wins, Johnson is perfectly entitled to reject it. However it would look bad!
Boris would not give a shit, it would look far worse for him if he allowed a referendum that risked him being the PM who lost the Union and he only has 6 Scottish MPs anyway.
He will be the PM who lost the Union. No hiding place.
He won't if he refuses a legal indyref as long as he is PM or he will pass the ball to Starmer in 2024 who if he needs SNP support to become PM may have to concede with a devomax offer to try and win it
But that will be one of those spectacular "assists" that are remembered more than the tap in.
He'll be the man who lost the union. No way round this. It's written.
I suppose we should wonder if this might be another reason for Boris retiring early before a referendum can be held.
The Crown s4... Gillian Anderson’s Maggie is pretty ridiculous isn’t it?
I managed about three minutes. I love Gillian Anderson normally but that Thatcher voice/character is just unbearable. Awful overacting. Absolutely risible.
My stepson who has never done a days work in the last 20 yrs and has 10 kids with his various partners of the same ilk tweeted "Independence Day" on 1.1.21
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I just looked at the California dashboard (https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/) and was staggered to discover that 55% of Covid cases in California are Latino, against 20% for Whites.
James Delingpole isn't worth listening to on any issue.
Germany is having a bad second wave
However, he could be right. Either way, this is another reason why vouchers are better than food parcels.
He'll be the man who lost the union. No way round this. It's written.
https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1349848160173232129
Let's hope these are teething troubles with supply.
Major is remembered for the ERM debacle, even tho, etc
If it happens on your watch, you get the blame.
Boris will be remembered for Covid and Actual Brexit. We have yet to see how history will judge him, so far the auguries are not great but he has time, maybe, to redeem.
He will fend off indyref2 and give to his successor, who will, very probably, have to grasp the thistle. He or she will live or die thereby
If not heads really should rule starting at the appropriate chief constable.
Their sluggishness in rolling out the vaccine is..... bewildering
So is the point to overturn manifesto commitments? Surely not?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/14/brexiteers-blamed-problems-warned/
We Brexiteers are being blamed for the problems we warned about
As problems mount for UK businesses, both in dealing with mainland Europe and regarding Northern Ireland, don’t be surprised if Brexit and Brexiteers get the blame for what is a failure of Government, as the possibility of reintegration via the backdoor looms.
That is, surely, the government's rationale for delaying the 2nd dose. But you are the doc
Better than nothing, but awfully limited.
I don't know about you, @Foxy, but I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the world.
Basically: cheer up man!
You can do better than that. It only elicits a minor *Ugh*.
After all , you're the guy who warned us about "PROBS FOR THE DEMERSAL AND PELAGIC BOYS" so I feel a similar level of scrotum-tighteningly cringeworthy "I like Drill even tho I'm 80" fake matey yoof creole is required here.
Ta, fam
11/01 166,474
12/01 223,726
13/01 288,688
England vaccinations
11/01 140,441
12/01 187,645
13/01 248,177
Northern Ireland vaccinations
11/01 7,521
12/01 9,782
13/01 12,454
Scotland vaccinations
11/01 12,664
12/01 16,156
13/01 16,442
Wales vaccinations
11/01 5,218
12/01 10,143
13/01 11,615
Hopefully today's snow will not have affected things much.
We should know by the end of Feb how reliable a single dose is, particularly in the elderly, who do mount a more feeble response to vaccines in general.
If the gamble comes off, plaudits all round, but if it doesn't...
I don't think it will be tinkered with except at the margins. And I think it's irrelevant anyway.
Firstly we already had a WTD opt-out anyway (and most professional people sign that waiver upon signing a contract) and social pressures on mental health and competitive market pressures on work/life balance for employees is doing more for reasonable working hours than regulation ever would.
I honestly wouldn't worry about it.
If I were paying up, I know which one I'd rather get.
You seem almost sanguine.
You described it as “a shame” earlier, as if it was a slightly overdone rib of beef of a Sunday lunchtime, or a good prosciutto salad left too long in the sun.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1349839092582903812?s=19
My stepson who has never done a days work in the last 20 yrs and has 10 kids with his various partners of the same ilk tweeted "Independence Day" on 1.1.21
Its the people paying his benefits who will be hardest hit
From case data
From hospitalisation data
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
And its even worse in Portugal:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal/
Of course it's fucking Covid. In a deadly global plague you want to go home
Why didn't you put a Z on Probz, or indeed Boyz? You clearly hang out in the bars of Eyemouth, so you know how they stan Z bruh
But, being in the States, I guess there is a good chance I won't be up for mine until Novovax and J&J are also online. The J&J one sounds the way to go if given a choice.
- overwhelmingly foreign workers
- pay by the hour
So when these places shut, you had large numbers of people with no pay but paying London rents.
So it is entirely unsurprising to me that that they went home to be unemployed and live in Mum&Dad Hotel.
"Bah, don't be too optimistic. We may have beaten the Germans, but we've still massive debts and the country's industrial capacity and housing stock have been hammered. It's dark days ahead."
[Not Long Later]
"You've never had it so good."
https://immunityageing.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12979-019-0164-9
what happens when things get back to normal? Not going to be that easy for these people to come back, will it?
There's a bunch of clues, there, for those of a Sherlockian disposition.
A it happens, the British people in their wisdom chose to ignore or dismiss then, and here we are. Brexiting. The will of the British people is done.
To me it was an actresses overplaying a cartoon character version of a person drawn from folk mythology of the real thing, while very self-consciously thinking she was delivering an Oscar-worthy performance.