BBC news - London could go into tier three as early as today
The pubs in London aren't very busy today, which you'd think they would be if people thought the capital was about to be moved into Tier 3.
I've just had a substantial meal in my pub for £1 plus two pints of bitter. The substantial meal was a beef and onion pie plus salad. I had a side dish of chunky chips. Very nice. I was there because I'd left my flat keys in the flat and was locked out and needed shelter from the rain.
The landlord was in despair awaiting the announcement on London Tier 3.
The pub wasn't very busy.
In a year of stupidities from our policy makers and science advisors, the "substantial meal" issue must be in the top three of plain bonkers.
It’s a common and well-understood term thats appeared in licensing law for decades.
Just because the Lobby hacks and Kay Burley don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean that licencees don’t.
IF you are a conservative who is incensed by the way the conservatives are behaving, Conhome stops you posting. They only want to hear a certain type of conservative, these days.
The answer to 2a is no. P <--> Q is true if both P and Q are true or P and Q are false, otherwise false. However, if P is false and Q is true then P -> Q is true, which makes the whole thing true through the alternation operator. So the second allows a false P but a true Q; the first doesn't. I hope that's clear.
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
I don’t like to get personal but you should reread that and think about it. It is really quite offensive bollocks - the idea that the EU is like the Nazis and that people who think Britain should be in the EU are quisling traitors.
You seem quite incapable of understanding that people who do not share your view are not evil but just have a different opinion to you. You seem not to understand that there are people in Europe who have real memories of what it was like to live under Nazi rule (my elderly relatives for one) and who view with some contempt people from later generations living in a country which had the very good fortune not to be subject to such rule pathetically using incorrect historical analogies to make themselves look big and the other side look bad.
Grow up. You have the right to post bollocks on sites like this one because people like my father fought to keep this country and the rest of Europe free. He worked as a doctor in Belsen after it was liberated. He knew what Nazism was. The EU wanting to impose tariffs on a trading partner, even unilaterally, is so far away from Nazism as to be in the next galaxy.
If “Remainers” are not reconciled to the Brexit project it is because they see all too many Leavers spouting offensive, ignorant nonsense such as this. Wanting a different relationship with the EU is an honourable project. But this - the constant harking back to and misuse of WW2 to justify a Brexit which has been - let’s be kind - poorly handled, well it’s pathetic and deserves all the scorn and contempt I can lob at it.
No, you just can't bear the idea that there are people in this country who seek to undermine it. The situation is obviously not the same and the EU clearly aren't the Nazi party. My point is that there have been people in the UK talking to the EU and encouraging them to take a more confrontational position rather than seek compromise as they have begun doing. There are people who have built up the myth that the UK will "capitulate" and that kind of thinking has led to the EU holding on to their no compromise position basically until a couple of weeks ago when they realised that they have been badly advised.
Just an FYI, my grandfather fought in the war and my great grandfather in the first world war. I mean no disrespect in drawing the comparison, it was a situation back then where bad advice from a traitor led to misery in the UK. I think even you can see that if you'd take a second and drop the faux outrage.
Anyway, more than anything else I want there to be a deal between the UK and EU that will hold together for more than a few months. It's starting to look like that will happen because the EU are compromising, if the likes of Barnier and co weren't told by "well informed" Brits that the UK would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
You could just as well make the last sentence: It's starting to look like that will happen because the UK is compromising*, if the likes of Johnson and co weren't held hostage by their claims that the UK held all the cards and the EU would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
*Both sides are, of course, compromising to varying extents. That's negotiation. And it's good thing if it delivers a deal because that's in both sides interests, as a famous politician once said, no deal would be a failure of statecraft.
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
A close friend of mine spent a huge amount of time with Macron when he was at Rothschild. That’s his SOP - get close to a deal then make an unreasonable last minute demand. His logic is he gets some of what he wants because the other side is emotionally invested at that point
The answer to 2a is no. P <--> Q is true if both P and Q are true or P and Q are false, otherwise false. However, if P is false and Q is true then P -> Q is true, which makes the whole thing true through the alternation operator. So the second allows a false P but a true Q; the first doesn't. I hope that's clear.
My logic is 30 years old and rusty beyond belief, but I would have said P <--> Q means that P is equivalent to Q and vice versa. It seems to my old brain this is just a statement. P == Q
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
I don’t like to get personal but you should reread that and think about it. It is really quite offensive bollocks - the idea that the EU is like the Nazis and that people who think Britain should be in the EU are quisling traitors.
You seem quite incapable of understanding that people who do not share your view are not evil but just have a different opinion to you. You seem not to understand that there are people in Europe who have real memories of what it was like to live under Nazi rule (my elderly relatives for one) and who view with some contempt people from later generations living in a country which had the very good fortune not to be subject to such rule pathetically using incorrect historical analogies to make themselves look big and the other side look bad.
Grow up. You have the right to post bollocks on sites like this one because people like my father fought to keep this country and the rest of Europe free. He worked as a doctor in Belsen after it was liberated. He knew what Nazism was. The EU wanting to impose tariffs on a trading partner, even unilaterally, is so far away from Nazism as to be in the next galaxy.
If “Remainers” are not reconciled to the Brexit project it is because they see all too many Leavers spouting offensive, ignorant nonsense such as this. Wanting a different relationship with the EU is an honourable project. But this - the constant harking back to and misuse of WW2 to justify a Brexit which has been - let’s be kind - poorly handled, well it’s pathetic and deserves all the scorn and contempt I can lob at it.
No, you just can't bear the idea that there are people in this country who seek to undermine it. The situation is obviously not the same and the EU clearly aren't the Nazi party. My point is that there have been people in the UK talking to the EU and encouraging them to take a more confrontational position rather than seek compromise as they have begun doing. There are people who have built up the myth that the UK will "capitulate" and that kind of thinking has led to the EU holding on to their no compromise position basically until a couple of weeks ago when they realised that they have been badly advised.
Just an FYI, my grandfather fought in the war and my great grandfather in the first world war. I mean no disrespect in drawing the comparison, it was a situation back then where bad advice from a traitor led to misery in the UK. I think even you can see that if you'd take a second and drop the faux outrage.
Anyway, more than anything else I want there to be a deal between the UK and EU that will hold together for more than a few months. It's starting to look like that will happen because the EU are compromising, if the likes of Barnier and co weren't told by "well informed" Brits that the UK would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
There is nothing fake about my outrage.
You have no basis for saying that the EU has been badly advised by Remainers here in the U.K. You know nothing about what has been going on or whether a deal has been reached or what it says. Wanting a deal with the EU or to remain in the EU does not amount to undermining Britain. What you cannot bear is that the Brexit project you support has been appallingly badly handled by those who promoted it. Rather than place the responsibility where it belongs, we have this constant meme about traitors and Remoaners and people undermining Britain and all the rest of it just because those who want Brexit cannot accept responsibility for what they have done and said and are doing.
The EU is not an enemy. The countries within it are not our enemies. The biggest “enemies” - if we have to use such language - of Britain and the chances of it succeeding in the course it has now embarked on are those who see and speak of Britain and its neighbours in such Manichaean terms.
So, to summarise, Boris is still dithering over whether to accept the deal which was signalled in March.
No hurry, of course. There are still around 7 working days for businesses to plan, tariffs to be finalised, computer systems to be written, vets to be magicked out of thin air, and 50,000 customs agents hired and trained up. 10 days if they go the extra mile and work between Xmas and New Year.
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
Very easily. The existing border, with an adjustment to the EEZ to the modern international standard.
The answer to 2a is no. P <--> Q is true if both P and Q are true or P and Q are false, otherwise false. However, if P is false and Q is true then P -> Q is true, which makes the whole thing true through the alternation operator. So the second allows a false P but a true Q; the first doesn't. I hope that's clear.
My logic is 30 years old and rusty beyond belief, but I would have said P <--> Q means that P is equivalent to Q and vice versa. It seems to my old brain this is just a statement. P == Q
I think it's just a change in the symbols.
P<-->Q, P==Q both meaning isomorphism, or a 1-1 correspondence - if one's true the other must be and vice versa.
Logic is just set theory, and the old-fashioned overlappling circles are the clearest way to see this.
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
The Channel Isles?
Maybe it's the bits of the UK that have been floating off to The Netherlands due to coastal erosion for decades. That genuinely annoys me.
IF you are a conservative who is incensed by the way the conservatives are behaving, Conhome stops you posting. They only want to hear a certain type of conservative, these days.
I am sad to see the Tory party of today as it seems to me to have been taken over by a right wing extreme. It is no longer one party (maybe it never was) but the extreme right wing is in the ascendency and the moderates have been side lined.
It is an unfortunate part of our political system that it tends to drive our main parties to the extremes.
Personally I would like to see more representative voting, more parties and more transparent negotiations on priorities from parties seeking to form post election coalitions. That would, in my view, generate better politics with people feeling more engaged and listened to.
Unfortunately what we get at election times is negative campaigning where voters are frightened into voting against something and then feel cheated when they don't get what they thought they were voting for. Without wishing to be partisan, my current dislike of the Tories is driven by the fact that they are masters of it!
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
I've stuck BBC Parliament on waiting for the London lockdown announcement. Have just witnessed the absolute berk who defeated the previous absolute berk for NW Durham manage to mangle his whips softball question to the Bully Secretary about how Labour are friends of rapists.
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
I don’t like to get personal but you should reread that and think about it. It is really quite offensive bollocks - the idea that the EU is like the Nazis and that people who think Britain should be in the EU are quisling traitors.
You seem quite incapable of understanding that people who do not share your view are not evil but just have a different opinion to you. You seem not to understand that there are people in Europe who have real memories of what it was like to live under Nazi rule (my elderly relatives for one) and who view with some contempt people from later generations living in a country which had the very good fortune not to be subject to such rule pathetically using incorrect historical analogies to make themselves look big and the other side look bad.
Grow up. You have the right to post bollocks on sites like this one because people like my father fought to keep this country and the rest of Europe free. He worked as a doctor in Belsen after it was liberated. He knew what Nazism was. The EU wanting to impose tariffs on a trading partner, even unilaterally, is so far away from Nazism as to be in the next galaxy.
If “Remainers” are not reconciled to the Brexit project it is because they see all too many Leavers spouting offensive, ignorant nonsense such as this. Wanting a different relationship with the EU is an honourable project. But this - the constant harking back to and misuse of WW2 to justify a Brexit which has been - let’s be kind - poorly handled, well it’s pathetic and deserves all the scorn and contempt I can lob at it.
No, you just can't bear the idea that there are people in this country who seek to undermine it. The situation is obviously not the same and the EU clearly aren't the Nazi party. My point is that there have been people in the UK talking to the EU and encouraging them to take a more confrontational position rather than seek compromise as they have begun doing. There are people who have built up the myth that the UK will "capitulate" and that kind of thinking has led to the EU holding on to their no compromise position basically until a couple of weeks ago when they realised that they have been badly advised.
Just an FYI, my grandfather fought in the war and my great grandfather in the first world war. I mean no disrespect in drawing the comparison, it was a situation back then where bad advice from a traitor led to misery in the UK. I think even you can see that if you'd take a second and drop the faux outrage.
Anyway, more than anything else I want there to be a deal between the UK and EU that will hold together for more than a few months. It's starting to look like that will happen because the EU are compromising, if the likes of Barnier and co weren't told by "well informed" Brits that the UK would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
There is nothing fake about my outrage.
You have no basis for saying that the EU has been badly advised by Remainers here in the U.K. You know nothing about what has been going on or whether a deal has been reached or what it says. Wanting a deal with the EU or to remain in the EU does not amount to undermining Britain. What you cannot bear is that the Brexit project you support has been appallingly badly handled by those who promoted it. Rather than place the responsibility where it belongs, we have this constant meme about traitors and Remoaners and people undermining Britain and all the rest of it just because those who want Brexit cannot accept responsibility for what they have done and said and are doing.
The EU is not an enemy. The countries within it are not our enemies. The biggest “enemies” - if we have to use such language - of Britain and the chances of it succeeding in the course it has now embarked on are those who see and speak of Britain and its neighbours in such Manichaean terms.
Plus there's obvious fact that the EU is completely uninterested in what 'Remainers' (whoever they are: they seem to be as elusive as Corbyn's shadowy Jewish financiers) have to say. They are perfectly capable of reading English. They have experts who are perfectly knowledgeable about the state of readiness of the UK for a no-deal crash-out. They can see for themselves that the UK car industry will be completely kiboshed without a deal. They know - because they are the customers - that our fishing industry and lamb farmers are completely dependent on access to the Single Market. They can see the official figures showing that the Single Market is massively more important to the UK than the UK is to the Single Market. They can see perfectly well that the UK has no viable substitute suppliers outside the UK for most of the goods the EU provides, notably food.
In other words, they don't need anyone's help to see that the UK's threat of a self-harming no-deal is utterly bonkers. It's pretty damned obvious.
In this country the notion of the common good was junked under Thatcher, who wasn't a notable racial justice warrior as far as I recall. The elites liberated themselves from the notion of the common good, led by their own greed. I suspect the main structural factor was the fading of memories of WW2, which had briefly imposed a sense of solidarity and common decency on the ruling classes. The timelines are completely out for the argument in this piece to have even a degree of plausibility.
It was more of a coup with a new set of more self-focused individuals overthrowing the historical elites
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
Greater Wales should include all the lands in which Brythonic languages were once spoken.
So that is, England, Wales, Scotland, as well as offshore islands such as the Isle of Man, Isles of Scilly, Orkney, Hebrides, Isle of Wight and Shetland.
And Brittany.
On the other hand, we are willing to give back Newport.
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
Greater Wales should include all the lands in which Brythonic languages were once spoken.
So that is, England, Wales, Scotland, as well as offshore islands such as the Isle of Man, Isles of Scilly, Orkney, Hebrides, Isle of Wight and Shetland.
And Brittany.
On the other hand, we are willing to give back Newport.
BBC news - London could go into tier three as early as today
The pubs in London aren't very busy today, which you'd think they would be if people thought the capital was about to be moved into Tier 3.
I've just had a substantial meal in my pub for £1 plus two pints of bitter. The substantial meal was a beef and onion pie plus salad. I had a side dish of chunky chips. Very nice. I was there because I'd left my flat keys in the flat and was locked out and needed shelter from the rain.
The landlord was in despair awaiting the announcement on London Tier 3.
The pub wasn't very busy.
In a year of stupidities from our policy makers and science advisors, the "substantial meal" issue must be in the top three of plain bonkers.
It’s a common and well-understood term thats appeared in licensing law for decades.
Just because the Lobby hacks and Kay Burley don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean that licencees don’t.
But it is not a term which appears in the regulations which currently govern what licencees can and cannot do. And for Ministers to use it is to mislead the public about what the law is. This has a very real harmful effect on those same licensees. So, yes, it was utter stupidity - both from a science perspective (you are not protected from Covid by eating) and from a legal perspective.
CNN: All 50 states and the District of Columbia have certified their presidential results, according to CNN's tally, as the Electoral College process moves ahead today with the meeting of electors.
The electors are required by law to convene on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, which this year is Dec. 14. The electors' votes are later transmitted to officials and counted in a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6.
I'm forever disappointed they dont actually meet together in grand ceremony. Hopefully they have some fun with it in the individual states.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain only 1 and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
Greater Wales should include all the lands in which Brythonic languages were once spoken.
So that is, England, Wales, Scotland, as well as offshore islands such as the Isle of Man, Isles of Scilly, Orkney, Hebrides, Isle of Wight and Shetland.
And Brittany.
On the other hand, we are willing to give back Newport.
An interesting Twitter thread on whether a UK-EU deal could be provisionally applied under GATT rules, even it's not ratified or even textually finalised in time:
So, to summarise, Boris is still dithering over whether to accept the deal which was signalled in March.
No hurry, of course. There are still around 7 working days for businesses to plan, tariffs to be finalised, computer systems to be written, vets to be magicked out of thin air, and 50,000 customs agents hired and trained up. 10 days if they go the extra mile and work between Xmas and New Year.
And the irony is that the two biggest UK concessions- a sticky adminny border and not seeking anything on services- were tossed out totally casually. And with next to no preparation for the consequences.
Still, if being concerned about this is to undermine the UK, at least I know where I stand.
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
A close friend of mine spent a huge amount of time with Macron when he was at Rothschild. That’s his SOP - get close to a deal then make an unreasonable last minute demand. His logic is he gets some of what he wants because the other side is emotionally invested at that point
And then he came up against Boris, playing the same game.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
Put the tiers in place from 00.01 Wednesday. But close all the pubs in Tier 2 --> 3 areas from 6.00pm tonight. Ot it will be hugely counter-poductive.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
I don’t like to get personal but you should reread that and think about it. It is really quite offensive bollocks - the idea that the EU is like the Nazis and that people who think Britain should be in the EU are quisling traitors.
You seem quite incapable of understanding that people who do not share your view are not evil but just have a different opinion to you. You seem not to understand that there are people in Europe who have real memories of what it was like to live under Nazi rule (my elderly relatives for one) and who view with some contempt people from later generations living in a country which had the very good fortune not to be subject to such rule pathetically using incorrect historical analogies to make themselves look big and the other side look bad.
Grow up. You have the right to post bollocks on sites like this one because people like my father fought to keep this country and the rest of Europe free. He worked as a doctor in Belsen after it was liberated. He knew what Nazism was. The EU wanting to impose tariffs on a trading partner, even unilaterally, is so far away from Nazism as to be in the next galaxy.
If “Remainers” are not reconciled to the Brexit project it is because they see all too many Leavers spouting offensive, ignorant nonsense such as this. Wanting a different relationship with the EU is an honourable project. But this - the constant harking back to and misuse of WW2 to justify a Brexit which has been - let’s be kind - poorly handled, well it’s pathetic and deserves all the scorn and contempt I can lob at it.
No, you just can't bear the idea that there are people in this country who seek to undermine it. The situation is obviously not the same and the EU clearly aren't the Nazi party. My point is that there have been people in the UK talking to the EU and encouraging them to take a more confrontational position rather than seek compromise as they have begun doing. There are people who have built up the myth that the UK will "capitulate" and that kind of thinking has led to the EU holding on to their no compromise position basically until a couple of weeks ago when they realised that they have been badly advised.
Just an FYI, my grandfather fought in the war and my great grandfather in the first world war. I mean no disrespect in drawing the comparison, it was a situation back then where bad advice from a traitor led to misery in the UK. I think even you can see that if you'd take a second and drop the faux outrage.
Anyway, more than anything else I want there to be a deal between the UK and EU that will hold together for more than a few months. It's starting to look like that will happen because the EU are compromising, if the likes of Barnier and co weren't told by "well informed" Brits that the UK would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
There is nothing fake about my outrage.
You have no basis for saying that the EU has been badly advised by Remainers here in the U.K. You know nothing about what has been going on or whether a deal has been reached or what it says. Wanting a deal with the EU or to remain in the EU does not amount to undermining Britain. What you cannot bear is that the Brexit project you support has been appallingly badly handled by those who promoted it. Rather than place the responsibility where it belongs, we have this constant meme about traitors and Remoaners and people undermining Britain and all the rest of it just because those who want Brexit cannot accept responsibility for what they have done and said and are doing.
The EU is not an enemy. The countries within it are not our enemies. The biggest “enemies” - if we have to use such language - of Britain and the chances of it succeeding in the course it has now embarked on are those who see and speak of Britain and its neighbours in such Manichaean terms.
Plus there's obvious fact that the EU is completely uninterested in what 'Remainers' (whoever they are: they seem to be as elusive as Corbyn's shadowy Jewish financiers) have to say. They are perfectly capable of reading English. They have experts who are perfectly knowledgeable about the state of readiness of the UK for a no-deal crash-out. They can see for themselves that the UK car industry will be completely kiboshed without a deal. They know - because they are the customers - that our fishing industry and lamb farmers are completely dependent on access to the Single Market. They can see the official figures showing that the Single Market is massively more important to the UK than the UK is to the Single Market. They can see perfectly well that the UK has no viable substitute suppliers outside the UK for most of the goods the EU provides, notably food.
In other words, they don't need anyone's help to see that the UK's threat of a self-harming no-deal is utterly bonkers. It's pretty damned obvious.
The total number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Wales has risen by another 1,228 new cases, Public Health Wales (PHW) said in its latest update on Monday.
What is going on in Wales, has their testing system broken / excel spreadsheet had a buffer overflow? No cases reported yesterday and basically 2/3 the current average daily amount today. Either some miracle has occurred and covid has magically gone away or something isn't working right.
Given a lot of borders are arbitrary I don t find that hugely surprising, just a little.
This is the last legacy of the Austro-Hungarian Empire - and the German Empire as well
Europe was a patchwork quilt of ethnicities.
When WWI ended, it was an impossible task to put all of ethnicity A in country A
There were pockets of very German Germans all the way across Ukraine, for example.
So "Greater X" movements formed - to take back the tertiaries involved.
Part of *WWII* was making a grab for these territories...
At the end of WII, there was a great deal of ethnic cleansing - populations were shoved into the "right" countries. And the borders fixed by the Allies. For evermore. In the name of ending war.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
Put the tiers in place from 00.01 Wednesday. But close all the pubs in Tier 2 --> 3 areas from 6.00pm tonight. Ot it will be hugely counter-poductive.
People + booze = Covid's bessy mate.....
That would be why Sir Patrick Vallance said last Wednesday that there was “no specific data” that bars & pubs drove transmission of the virus.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
It really isn;t, because it is largely young fit people giving a harmless and often symptomless bug to other young and fit people.
Those who do end up in hospital stand a far better chance of surviving that at the outset.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
Given a lot of borders are arbitrary I don t find that hugely surprising, just a little.
Arbitrary and recent. I am particularly surprised that a German would find this surprising. Perhaps she is virtue signalling a lack of interest in Alsatia and the Sudetenland.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
Put the tiers in place from 00.01 Wednesday. But close all the pubs in Tier 2 --> 3 areas from 6.00pm tonight. Ot it will be hugely counter-poductive.
People + booze = Covid's bessy mate.....
That would be why Sir Patrick Vallance said last Wednesday that there was “no specific data” that bars & pubs drove transmission of the virus.
Johnson has sacrificed the young, the fit, the hospitality industry and the sports industry to the mighty god COVID.
But Raa is still angry, the high priests of SAGE say.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock confirms London, south and west Essex, and the south of Hertfordshire (Three Rivers, Watford, Hertsmere and Broxbourne) are going into tier three from 00:01 on Wednesday.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
I think you are being unreasonable. Cancelling Christmas would be unenforceable and therefore pointless. Not sure anywhere else in Europe, except maybe Germany is doing so. People will make individual choices to be sensible or not. It's the price of a free society. The 'government steer' is very clear.
That is crazy. Who in the UK thinks there are parts of other countries that belong to us, and which parts? Ireland? Calais? Bonkers.
Remember 8% of people support anything.
I am however interested if the remainder actually have a particular piece of territory in mind, or a general belief that they are simply hard done by their neighbours.
I'll have a stab at it: Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher) Italy: Vatican City? Corsica? France: Channel Islands? Monaco? UK: Channel Islands? The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options Sweden: Norway? Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates. Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
Greater Wales should include all the lands in which Brythonic languages were once spoken.
So that is, England, Wales, Scotland, as well as offshore islands such as the Isle of Man, Isles of Scilly, Orkney, Hebrides, Isle of Wight and Shetland.
And Brittany.
On the other hand, we are willing to give back Newport.
As a bored and very, very geeky teenage nerd in the early 80s, I once drew up what I hope does not prove to be a prophetic map of the British Isles after the "Secession Wars" of the 2020s. I used the Tripartite Indenture of 1405 as a starting point, but I extended "Cymru Mawr" to include the whole of the area that Glyndŵr wanted to come under an Archdiocese of St David's so adding the Bishoprics of Worcester, Hereford, Bath and Wells, and Exeter as the autonomous regions of "The Marches", "Wessex" and of course "Kernow". Scotland as independent but having taken on protectorates over the Isle of Man and "Free Ulster" (Cos Antrim and Down, natch HYUFD, the rest of Norn Iron being reunited with the Republic) whilst losing Zetland to Norway. The remainder of England was to be divided between the "Socialist Republic of Northern England" and a rump "United Kingdom" that still claimed sovereignty over the rest of the archipelago.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
I did use to make blackcurrant pies from our graduate student allotment using the pastry recipe, so it must be possible ...
Given a lot of borders are arbitrary I don t find that hugely surprising, just a little.
Arbitrary and recent. I am particularly surprised that a German would find this surprising. Perhaps she is virtue signalling a lack of interest in Alsatia and the Sudetenland.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
I think you are being unreasonable. Cancelling Christmas would be unenforceable and therefore pointless. Not sure anywhere else in Europe, except maybe Germany is doing so. People will make individual choices to be sensible or not. It's the price of a free society. The 'government steer' is very clear.
"A maximum of five people from no more than two households are allowed to gather in a home. But this will be relaxed from 24 to 26 December when one household will be able to invite a maximum of four close family members from other households."
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
Sudden thought. Is pie any good? The inner bit is tdhe same, and you can buy frozen puff pastry (much easier than making your own - even my mum who was a superb cook bought hers.)
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
The answer to 2a is no. P <--> Q is true if both P and Q are true or P and Q are false, otherwise false. However, if P is false and Q is true then P -> Q is true, which makes the whole thing true through the alternation operator. So the second allows a false P but a true Q; the first doesn't. I hope that's clear.
My logic is 30 years old and rusty beyond belief, but I would have said P <--> Q means that P is equivalent to Q and vice versa. It seems to my old brain this is just a statement. P == Q
Not quite - the bi-conditional operator returns true if and only if the truth values of P and Q are equivalent. P and Q don't themselves need to be equivalent.
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Just because the Lobby hacks and Kay Burley don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean that licencees don’t.
My favourite method is to guess.
It's starting to look like that will happen because the UK is compromising*, if the likes of Johnson and co weren't held hostage by their claims that the UK held all the cards and the EU would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
*Both sides are, of course, compromising to varying extents. That's negotiation. And it's good thing if it delivers a deal because that's in both sides interests, as a famous politician once said, no deal would be a failure of statecraft.
Utter madness.
rhetoric.....yeh we'll look at this on a 'granular' basis for you...
Truth......sweeping draconian tier 3 blunt instrument with hundreds of thousands of jobs lost and no hope of reprieve.
How much more are these idiots going to take?
https://twitter.com/MaqboolButt5/status/1335968771501125632?s=20
Spain: Gibraltar (surprised it isn't higher)
Italy: Vatican City? Corsica?
France: Channel Islands? Monaco?
UK: Channel Islands?
The whole of the Balkans: obviously lots of options
Sweden: Norway?
Germany: surprised as many as 30% say this, even though there are several candidates.
Netherlands: Antwerp? OK I give up.
You've also got think about how eg a SNP supporter would answer such a question
You have no basis for saying that the EU has been badly advised by Remainers here in the U.K. You know nothing about what has been going on or whether a deal has been reached or what it says. Wanting a deal with the EU or to remain in the EU does not amount to undermining Britain. What you cannot bear is that the Brexit project you support has been appallingly badly handled by those who promoted it. Rather than place the responsibility where it belongs, we have this constant meme about traitors and Remoaners and people undermining Britain and all the rest of it just because those who want Brexit cannot accept responsibility for what they have done and said and are doing.
The EU is not an enemy. The countries within it are not our enemies. The biggest “enemies” - if we have to use such language - of Britain and the chances of it succeeding in the course it has now embarked on are those who see and speak of Britain and its neighbours in such Manichaean terms.
No hurry, of course. There are still around 7 working days for businesses to plan, tariffs to be finalised, computer systems to be written, vets to be magicked out of thin air, and 50,000 customs agents hired and trained up. 10 days if they go the extra mile and work between Xmas and New Year.
P<-->Q, P==Q both meaning isomorphism, or a 1-1 correspondence - if one's true the other must be and vice versa.
Logic is just set theory, and the old-fashioned overlappling circles are the clearest way to see this.
It is an unfortunate part of our political system that it tends to drive our main parties to the extremes.
Personally I would like to see more representative voting, more parties and more transparent negotiations on priorities from parties seeking to form post election coalitions. That would, in my view, generate better politics with people feeling more engaged and listened to.
Unfortunately what we get at election times is negative campaigning where voters are frightened into voting against something and then feel cheated when they don't get what they thought they were voting for. Without wishing to be partisan, my current dislike of the Tories is driven by the fact that they are masters of it!
I feel very sorry for those that did.
Honestly, why would you bother?
In other words, they don't need anyone's help to see that the UK's threat of a self-harming no-deal is utterly bonkers. It's pretty damned obvious.
So that is, England, Wales, Scotland, as well as offshore islands such as the Isle of Man, Isles of Scilly, Orkney, Hebrides, Isle of Wight and Shetland.
And Brittany.
On the other hand, we are willing to give back Newport.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
I thought it an online parody that people would claim as soon as a vaccine was approved there would be no need for anything else.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1338497644189130752?s=20
when its that economy that is the sole generator of all of their care?
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1338502368737058826?s=20
Tl;dr Maybe
https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1338494123372933121
Still, if being concerned about this is to undermine the UK, at least I know where I stand.
But holding all the fish.
https://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/books/delias-winter-collection/steak-and-kidney-pudding-with-steak-and-kidney-gravy
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
People + booze = Covid's bessy mate.....
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Laour England is even worse though.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-infection-rates-cases-deaths-19453641
What is going on in Wales, has their testing system broken / excel spreadsheet had a buffer overflow? No cases reported yesterday and basically 2/3 the current average daily amount today. Either some miracle has occurred and covid has magically gone away or something isn't working right.
Europe was a patchwork quilt of ethnicities.
When WWI ended, it was an impossible task to put all of ethnicity A in country A
There were pockets of very German Germans all the way across Ukraine, for example.
So "Greater X" movements formed - to take back the tertiaries involved.
Part of *WWII* was making a grab for these territories...
At the end of WII, there was a great deal of ethnic cleansing - populations were shoved into the "right" countries. And the borders fixed by the Allies. For evermore. In the name of ending war.
But the memories remain....
Those who do end up in hospital stand a far better chance of surviving that at the outset.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1338510771223932928
But Raa is still angry, the high priests of SAGE say.
Will the vaccines still be effective?
Except... err... me...
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock confirms London, south and west Essex, and the south of Hertfordshire (Three Rivers, Watford, Hertsmere and Broxbourne) are going into tier three from 00:01 on Wednesday.
If SKS is such an expert, perhaps he could fix Mark from Cardiff up with some top advice on COVID strategy?
Yes, I really should have got out more.
Coincidence? I think not. Justice for Williamson and Thomas. Solidarity brothers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55292614
"A maximum of five people from no more than two households are allowed to gather in a home. But this will be relaxed from 24 to 26 December when one household will be able to invite a maximum of four close family members from other households."
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
I was calling for Lockdown 2.0 when you lot were saying it was nothing to worry about. I was right then and I am right now.
The country will be more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub if the Christmas hall pass goes ahead.
This is potentially disasterous....