Given a lot of borders are arbitrary I don t find that hugely surprising, just a little.
Arbitrary and recent. I am particularly surprised that a German would find this surprising. Perhaps she is virtue signalling a lack of interest in Alsatia and the Sudetenland.
Surely, Elsaß
I want to know what neighbouring territories do the Canadians think are rightfully theirs? Hans Island? Northern Maine? Machias Seal Island? If they're interested in annexing New England and the Hudson Valley, I'd bite.
Given a lot of borders are arbitrary I don t find that hugely surprising, just a little.
Arbitrary and recent. I am particularly surprised that a German would find this surprising. Perhaps she is virtue signalling a lack of interest in Alsatia and the Sudetenland.
For a very, very long time, in Germany, even wondering out loud about the borders has been only something the far-right espouse. It is quite probable that she has never met a non-fascist German who held such views.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
There's no alternative though. Tier 3 is not sustainable even in itself and people are getting more and more lax regarding the rules.
What doesn't help things is that all the "influencers" that young people follow on social media etc are "working" in Dubai living the high life with zero social distancing, etc. Another contributing factor to youngsters not bothering anymore.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
Sudden thought. Is pie any good? The inner bit is tdhe same, and you can buy frozen puff pastry (much easier than making your own - even my mum who was a superb cook bought hers.)
Or steak and kidney crumble....any fool can make that
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
Sudden thought. Is pie any good? The inner bit is tdhe same, and you can buy frozen puff pastry (much easier than making your own - even my mum who was a superb cook bought hers.)
Or steak and kidney crumble....any fool can make that
PS Correction - the puff pastry mighjt be chilled, actually. But logic is the same.
We had an eggs discussion the other day - I thought it was very eggifying
Others disapproved though, so I'm posting this with some trepidation.
What I'd like to ask is whether PBers have any wisdom in the arcane would of 'Steak and Kidney Pudding'?
It's the most wonderful dish, but I really can't manage it well (about 3/10)
I was thinking about trying to find a professional chef to show me (and I'd happily share) how it was done. Anyone any ideas?
When I moved out of home/uni my mum gave me (rather a ong time ago now) an appropriate single volume Delia Smith Cookery Book (though I still liked the Penguin one and an old wartime/immediately ppstwar booklet which was obviously done in the rationing/food education era). I always found her recipes struck the right balance between edibility and simplicity. Indeed her book still lives on top of my fridge and i was using it the other day to boil up some gammon. This any good? Not tried it myself ..
Completely good. I've tried to follow all sorts of recipes - I'm no cook though. There has to be so much more that you can do though - so maybe I'm asking for a steak-and-kidney pudding research council. Just asking though.
Sudden thought. Is pie any good? The inner bit is tdhe same, and you can buy frozen puff pastry (much easier than making your own - even my mum who was a superb cook bought hers.)
You can buy fresh, pre-rolled pastry (puff and shortcrust) at any Sainsbury's - very good quality.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
You do appear to be oblivious to the fact that LABOUR ARE RUNNING WALES.
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
The man who advocated for a fire break, that thing that has failed in the two places it has been tried. It hasn't saved any deaths.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
The spike protein that the vaccines target is an extremely stable part of the virus.
I don’t know what that means, but I feel weirdly reassured.
Thanks!
It means that there have not yet been any noted mutations that affect the six amino acid sequence in the spike protein responsible for binding to the ACE-2 receptor on the cell surface as a prelude to it infecting the cell (and hence the human). And all the leading vaccine candidates target the spike protein to generate a specific immune response to it.
Given a lot of borders are arbitrary I don t find that hugely surprising, just a little.
Arbitrary and recent. I am particularly surprised that a German would find this surprising. Perhaps she is virtue signalling a lack of interest in Alsatia and the Sudetenland.
Surely, Elsaß
I want to know what neighbouring territories do the Canadians think are rightfully theirs? Hans Island? Northern Maine? Machias Seal Island? If they're interested in annexing New England and the Hudson Valley, I'd bite.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
You do appear to be oblivious to the fact that LABOUR ARE RUNNING WALES.
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
If you read above, I said Christmas easing going ahead is the collective Government of all nations' Black Wednesday if it goes above.
Keir has been spot on, Welsh Labour ended their lockdown far too early. We ended ours far too early.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
The man who advocated for a fire break, that thing that has failed in the two places it has been tried. It hasn't saved any deaths.
The Welsh lockdown worked whilst it was in place, it just was ended too early.
We needed a UK-wide lockdown from October onwards.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
You do appear to be oblivious to the fact that LABOUR ARE RUNNING WALES.
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
If you read above, I said Christmas easing going ahead is the collective Government of all nations' Black Wednesday if it goes above.
Keir has been spot on, Welsh Labour ended their lockdown far too early. We ended ours far too early.
But that doesn't stop Keir having been right.
He advocated for a 2 week fire break, not a full lockdown, based on the SAGE advice, that some of us pointed out was based on a totally bullshit model. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. For somebody supposed so good on the details, he should have spotted what nonsense SAGE model was pedalling.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
You do appear to be oblivious to the fact that LABOUR ARE RUNNING WALES.
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
If you read above, I said Christmas easing going ahead is the collective Government of all nations' Black Wednesday if it goes above.
Keir has been spot on, Welsh Labour ended their lockdown far too early. We ended ours far too early.
But that doesn't stop Keir having been right.
Keir advocated a 2 week circuit breaker The welsh implemented a 2 week circuit breaker If failed
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
With respect nonsense as demonstrated here in Wales where Drakeford followed the two week firebreak and we are now in a terrible state
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
The spike protein that the vaccines target is an extremely stable part of the virus.
I don’t know what that means, but I feel weirdly reassured.
Thanks!
It means that there have not yet been any noted mutations that affect the six amino acid sequence in the spike protein responsible for binding to the ACE-2 receptor on the cell surface as a prelude to it infecting the cell (and hence the human). And all the leading vaccine candidates target the spike protein to generate a specific immune response to it.
I fear that your words of science and reason will be ignored by the usual suspects on here, who just love a doom narrative.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
There's no alternative though. Tier 3 is not sustainable even in itself and people are getting more and more lax regarding the rules.
What doesn't help things is that all the "influencers" that young people follow on social media etc are "working" in Dubai living the high life with zero social distancing, etc. Another contributing factor to youngsters not bothering anymore.
There is an alternative. An actual lockdown. There's 2 weeks of school Christmas holiday coming up. That gets extended by another 2 weeks. So for the Christmas holidays once again we must all stay at home. Shut everything down properly as we did back in March. Tell people that if they flaunt the rules they may kill their loved ones and thats why the police will be handing out big fines.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
The electorate is not yet sick of being locked down. Some are, but most are, we cannot pretend they are yet. So the outrage on their behalf can be toned down.
The Christmas easing must be cancelled immediately and the entire country must now go back into a full lockdown.
I have been saying that for weeks
Have you ever thought that young people might be getting tired of having their lives destroyed to bring about a situation that gives your ancient backside a slightly better chance of survival from one out of a myriad of diseases, possibly.
Did you do this for the old when you were young? Nope. And nobody expected you to.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
I think you are being unreasonable. Cancelling Christmas would be unenforceable and therefore pointless. Not sure anywhere else in Europe, except maybe Germany is doing so. People will make individual choices to be sensible or not. It's the price of a free society. The 'government steer' is very clear.
"A maximum of five people from no more than two households are allowed to gather in a home. But this will be relaxed from 24 to 26 December when one household will be able to invite a maximum of four close family members from other households."
Apologies - but it reinforces my point I think. Governments cannot do everything.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
With respect nonsense as demonstrated here in Wales where Drakeford followed the two week firebreak and we are now in a terrible state
The question is - why is Wales in a terrible state?
1. Is it because the ending of the "firebreak" caused more social contact than would otherwise had occured, making the effect of the lockdown null and void?
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
With respect nonsense as demonstrated here in Wales where Drakeford followed the two week firebreak and we are now in a terrible state
The question is - why is Wales in a terrible state?
1. Is it because the ending of the "firebreak" caused more social contact than would otherwise had occured, making the effect of the lockdown null and void?
OR
2. Would it have been even worse otherwise?
OR
3. Another reason?
Part of it seems to be how it was sold, as a means of definitely avoiding future restruction, when such a promise couldn't be assured.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
If "Corbynism" is doing that thing when every other measure has been shown to be inadequate, then yes this Govt. has implemented "Corbynism".
Corbyn wanted to fuck the economy BEFORE Covid. He wanted to pile vast amounts of taxation/debt repayment onto the private sector to pay for the public sector BEFORE Covid. Where do you think we would be after John McDonnell's Budget - and THEN Covid hit?
There's being Contrarian - and then there's being Downright Silly.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
The electorate is not yet sick of being locked down. Some are, but most are, we cannot pretend they are yet. So the outrage on their behalf can be toned down.
I'm sure people in countries like the Netherlands are also sick of it and yet they are being locked down hard instead of being allowed to wander home for Christmas. People aren't taking it seriously any more because the government keeps encouraging their dangerous behaviour.
The English Government needs to get on and cancel the Christmas easing immediately, along with the Welsh and Scottish Governments who are going along with this totally wrong decision.
We need a collective UK-wide lockdown now, it's now inevitable yet again.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
With respect nonsense as demonstrated here in Wales where Drakeford followed the two week firebreak and we are now in a terrible state
The question is - why is Wales in a terrible state?
The Welsh Government are making a total balls up of this, Keir needs to get on the phone to Drakeford now and get a new lockdown in place there. Drakeford ended it far too quickly.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
Please just put a sock in it. You are embarrassing
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
It is the New Science. Take whatever anyone in government says about the virus and assume the exact opposite is true, without any evidence to back you up. Irresponsible in the extreme.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
I think folk have been at the Xmas sherry too early this year...
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to the negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
The English Government needs to get on and cancel the Christmas easing immediately, along with the Welsh and Scottish Governments who are going along with this totally wrong decision.
We need a collective UK-wide lockdown now, it's now inevitable yet again.
Tonnes of us that have dodged pubs, restaurants, gyms and any voluntary vector. Our modest christmas won't be cancelled.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
If "Corbynism" is doing that thing when every other measure has been shown to be inadequate, then yes this Govt. has implemented "Corbynism".
Corbyn wanted to fuck the economy BEFORE Covid. He wanted to pile vast amounts of taxation/debt repayment onto the private sector to pay for the public sector BEFORE Covid. Where do you think we would be after John McDonnell's Budget - and THEN Covid hit?
There's being Contrarian - and then there's being Downright Silly.
Conservative principles should be principles for all seasons. Or they are worth nothing. A new crisis might emerge in, say, two years time.
How would our government cope with that, considering we are nearly bankrupt as it is?
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
Please just put a sock in it. You are embarrassing
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
The electorate is not yet sick of being locked down. Some are, but most are, we cannot pretend they are yet. So the outrage on their behalf can be toned down.
I'm sure people in countries like the Netherlands are also sick of it and yet they are being locked down hard instead of being allowed to wander home for Christmas. People aren't taking it seriously any more because the government keeps encouraging their dangerous behaviour.
I think compliance is still higher than many expected at this stage, but the Christmas plan is bonkers.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
The Christmas easing must be cancelled immediately and the entire country must now go back into a full lockdown.
I have been saying that for weeks
Have you ever thought that young people might be getting tired of having their lives destroyed to bring about a situation that gives your ancient backside a slightly better chance of survival from one out of a myriad of diseases, possibly.
Did you do this for the old when you were young? Nope. And nobody expected you to.
When I was young Hitler was sending V bombs over my house and one stopped and killed several neighbours
I think you will find a large majority do not want to kill their granny
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
“highly unlikely they won’t work” is OK ? I mean it's Hancock, but better than "highly likely they won't work", or "highly unlikely they will work".
There's a few variants of Covid going round already
Very roughly (as in "I'm a Physics teacher who teaches more biology than they'd like"), you know the bits on the surface of the virus that look like cauliflower florets? They're the spikes; they're how the virus breaks into human cells. As I understand it, all the vaccines work by getting the human immune system to recognise the spike as the marker of a bad thing to destroy. So as long as the spike doesn't change (which might be tricky without stopping the virus working), the vaccines should be OK.
(Early on in the Covid-19 hullabaloo, someone smart made the comparison with HIV. HIV is a master of disguise, doing enough mutation and shapeshifting to be really hard to vaccinate for. So far, Covid-19 has been thuggish but dumb. Long may that continue.)
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
Fair enough, trouble is this is exactly how fake news can get started. I tend to assume all (most) on here are sensible, intelligent folk, but there's always one...
The answer to 2a is no. P <--> Q is true if both P and Q are true or P and Q are false, otherwise false. However, if P is false and Q is true then P -> Q is true, which makes the whole thing true through the alternation operator. So the second allows a false P but a true Q; the first doesn't. I hope that's clear.
My logic is 30 years old and rusty beyond belief, but I would have said P <--> Q means that P is equivalent to Q and vice versa. It seems to my old brain this is just a statement. P == Q
Not quite - the bi-conditional operator returns true if and only if the truth values of P and Q are equivalent. P and Q don't themselves need to be equivalent.
As I say, very rusty. Thanks. Passed half an hour this winter afternoon looking at truth tables. I find it easier to think of XNOR.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
It is the New Science. Take whatever anyone in government says about the virus and assume the exact opposite is true, without any evidence to back you up. Irresponsible in the extreme.
Yup. PB at its absolute worst. I called this upthread: expect several gallons more of this guff as the doom-lovers luxuriate in anything they can get their hands on. The vaccine news was hard for them.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
It is the New Science. Take whatever anyone in government says about the virus and assume the exact opposite is true, without any evidence to back you up. Irresponsible in the extreme.
Is there any detail on this 'new variant' other than Hancock's description ?
Absent that, I would guess that it's simply another point mutation that happens to have spread in that area (and there could be many reasons for that, unrelated to the variant itself), and is of no great significance; there are dozens of 'variants' out there, and have been since the start of the pandemic.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
If "Corbynism" is doing that thing when every other measure has been shown to be inadequate, then yes this Govt. has implemented "Corbynism".
Corbyn wanted to fuck the economy BEFORE Covid. He wanted to pile vast amounts of taxation/debt repayment onto the private sector to pay for the public sector BEFORE Covid. Where do you think we would be after John McDonnell's Budget - and THEN Covid hit?
There's being Contrarian - and then there's being Downright Silly.
Conservative principles should be principles for all seasons. Or they are worth nothing.
I think that is a rather severe position. No ideology is perfect for all occasions and situations, and an inability to be entirely consistent to an ideology does not mean general adherence to such an ideology as a guiding principle is not a desirable aim nor would such a failure in an emergency mean those principles mean nothing for more regular times.
Sometimes that ideology might work in an emergency, sometimes it won't, but trying to fit real life into a political and social theory without even acknowledging the possibility a different approach might work for some situations is the sort of thing hardcore communists do.
None of which is to say that our Conservative party is necessarily very conservative as some would like it to be. The future cost is a legitimate worry to weight against present difficulties. But it isn't as simple as Ideology A good, ideology B bad.
Having a night life, with pubs, restaurants, boxing matches, etc is totally incompatible with keeping COVID cases down.
The government need to get out and cancel Christmas now....instead they are going to do an update on the 23rd...imagine how even more pissed people will be if they cancel it then.
I think you are being unreasonable. Cancelling Christmas would be unenforceable and therefore pointless. Not sure anywhere else in Europe, except maybe Germany is doing so. People will make individual choices to be sensible or not. It's the price of a free society. The 'government steer' is very clear.
"A maximum of five people from no more than two households are allowed to gather in a home. But this will be relaxed from 24 to 26 December when one household will be able to invite a maximum of four close family members from other households."
Apologies - but it reinforces my point I think. Governments cannot do everything.
Don't apologise.
My point is exceptionalism works both ways.
A German friend whose sister works in their test and trace has been telling me today about the abuse, non-compliance and general scumbaggery she encounters from the public. Exactly like in the UK, it seems.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
I spoke to a leading global scientist in early summer who predicted such a progression –because it's in the vaccine's evolutionary favour not to kill off its hosts. That said, it would mean more people catch the milder form as it moves from infectious to highly contagious (if unvaccinated). So to some degree, what you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
With respect nonsense as demonstrated here in Wales where Drakeford followed the two week firebreak and we are now in a terrible state
The question is - why is Wales in a terrible state?
1. Is it because the ending of the "firebreak" caused more social contact than would otherwise had occured, making the effect of the lockdown null and void?
OR
2. Would it have been even worse otherwise?
OR
3. Another reason?
Drakeford put himself into the stupid position of saying a 14 day firebreak would resolve the issues and he would not implement any further measures when it ended
I did say on here a couple of days after it ended that there were queues of traffic going into town, (unusual) and activity just took off as the public seemed to think covid was over
The idea Drakeford or Starmer's 14 day firebreak was the answer has been comprehensively de-bunked
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
If "Corbynism" is doing that thing when every other measure has been shown to be inadequate, then yes this Govt. has implemented "Corbynism".
Corbyn wanted to fuck the economy BEFORE Covid. He wanted to pile vast amounts of taxation/debt repayment onto the private sector to pay for the public sector BEFORE Covid. Where do you think we would be after John McDonnell's Budget - and THEN Covid hit?
There's being Contrarian - and then there's being Downright Silly.
Others may have a less negative view of those plans and how terrible they would have been before Covid hit, but even so it would be patenty ridiculous to suggest measures enacted in extremis proves that such measures would be the right move not in extremis, or as you postulate that there is no difference to the two scenarios.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
Mainly because they're dealing with the real world, rather than yours and Toby's fantasy of a world where covid is restricted to 80-year-olds on the verge of death already, passes blithely by anyone younger with no consequence, where hospitals are empty, where all the positives are false positives and deaths are deaths of acute positivity. Where worldwide, the only problem is that mysteriously leaders from almost every country, regardless of background and ideology, unaccountably decided to engage in a mass conspiracy against all their people for no apparent reason.
Where no-one is hospitalised under the age of 75, and where long covid doesn't exist. Where there is magical "dark matter" causing herd immunity, and Sweden has gambolled on unchanged and unaffected.
It's a fairly pathetic and incredible fantasy, which is why few people in positions of power have swallowed it.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
But if going all Great Barrington was so popular with the people, why wasn't the Donald re-elected in a landslide? Especially since the pandemic apparently 'ended in June', as you've mentioned before. Unless of course ... it didn't.
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What doesn't help things is that all the "influencers" that young people follow on social media etc are "working" in Dubai living the high life with zero social distancing, etc. Another contributing factor to youngsters not bothering anymore.
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Of course I've blown it now.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
Thanks!
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
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The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
Keir has been spot on, Welsh Labour ended their lockdown far too early. We ended ours far too early.
But that doesn't stop Keir having been right.
We needed a UK-wide lockdown from October onwards.
FFS.
Even a month hasn't been enough.
The welsh implemented a 2 week circuit breaker
If failed
Did you do this for the old when you were young? Nope. And nobody expected you to.
I mean it's Hancock, but better than "highly likely they won't work", or "highly unlikely they will work".
There's a few variants of Covid going round already
1. Is it because the ending of the "firebreak" caused more social contact than would otherwise had occured, making the effect of the lockdown null and void?
OR
2. Would it have been even worse otherwise?
OR
3. Another reason?
Corbyn wanted to fuck the economy BEFORE Covid. He wanted to pile vast amounts of taxation/debt repayment onto the private sector to pay for the public sector BEFORE Covid. Where do you think we would be after John McDonnell's Budget - and THEN Covid hit?
There's being Contrarian - and then there's being Downright Silly.
We need a collective UK-wide lockdown now, it's now inevitable yet again.
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
I am sure you will do well.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
How would our government cope with that, considering we are nearly bankrupt as it is?
I think you will find a large majority do not want to kill their granny
(Early on in the Covid-19 hullabaloo, someone smart made the comparison with HIV. HIV is a master of disguise, doing enough mutation and shapeshifting to be really hard to vaccinate for. So far, Covid-19 has been thuggish but dumb. Long may that continue.)
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Absent that, I would guess that it's simply another point mutation that happens to have spread in that area (and there could be many reasons for that, unrelated to the variant itself), and is of no great significance; there are dozens of 'variants' out there, and have been since the start of the pandemic.
The tiers system is a disaster.
Too late to stop half the travel?
Sometimes that ideology might work in an emergency, sometimes it won't, but trying to fit real life into a political and social theory without even acknowledging the possibility a different approach might work for some situations is the sort of thing hardcore communists do.
None of which is to say that our Conservative party is necessarily very conservative as some would like it to be. The future cost is a legitimate worry to weight against present difficulties. But it isn't as simple as Ideology A good, ideology B bad.
When he can be so lazy about his choice of words, as a journalist, then what hope is there about his facts?
My point is exceptionalism works both ways.
A German friend whose sister works in their test and trace has been telling me today about the abuse, non-compliance and general scumbaggery she encounters from the public. Exactly like in the UK, it seems.
I`m not a fan of this censorship from OGH.
I did say on here a couple of days after it ended that there were queues of traffic going into town, (unusual) and activity just took off as the public seemed to think covid was over
The idea Drakeford or Starmer's 14 day firebreak was the answer has been comprehensively de-bunked
Where no-one is hospitalised under the age of 75, and where long covid doesn't exist. Where there is magical "dark matter" causing herd immunity, and Sweden has gambolled on unchanged and unaffected.
It's a fairly pathetic and incredible fantasy, which is why few people in positions of power have swallowed it.
https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1338287224098410496