This surprises me, I must admit. There is the benefit of showing that "Under New Leadership" is no empty slogan. Against this is the risk of internal warfare in the party. I would have said the potential damage is greater than the benefit but it looks like Starmer disagrees. Let's see how the Left react.
He’s a f*cking anti-Semite and you would have ZERO tolerance for a clear and obvious racist in the Tory party. Your true colours are showing.
My "true colours". Oh dear. C'mon.
Despite writing countless posts on here that are not - cough - completely free of racist sentiment I have noticed that you tend to become apoplectic about antisemitism on the Left and in the Labour Party.
Why is this? I bet you can't explain it to my satisfaction.
Interestingly there is a poll of American Jews which goes 75-22 for Biden. One of findings is that they're less impressed by Trumps moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and being the 'most pro Israeli President in US history' than they are by his support for white supremicists at home. This is something little understood by the many Faragist/Johnsonites shouting anti-semite at Corbyn who post here.
That's good to hear. Trump's attempted appeal to Jews is as crass and disrespectful as his pitch to women and Blacks.
True. Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers.
Fascist.
This is a rather unfortunate post.
(i) Donald Trump inherited a strong economy and proceeded to fire it up further with a big tax cut funded on the never never. Jobs were created and employment (including amongst black people) duly went up until Covid spoilt the party.
(ii) "Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers."
What sort of mind expresses the truth of (ii) as the dumb racist propaganda of (i)?
Is it a dumb racist one?
I'm enjoying your posts but please don't head down the "economics" road. We know it isn't your best subject and I would like to see you stay focused on your strengths.
I love having the French as our friendly enemy across the water, but I hope they get huge amounts of support in their ongoing fight on the issues that they are facing.
Macron has been spot on about this issue and things like the statue topplers colonialism......but he is also incredibly unpopular within France.
Will be still be re-elected though? (depends who makes the final two, presumably)
This surprises me, I must admit. There is the benefit of showing that "Under New Leadership" is no empty slogan. Against this is the risk of internal warfare in the party. I would have said the potential damage is greater than the benefit but it looks like Starmer disagrees. Let's see how the Left react.
He’s a f*cking anti-Semite and you would have ZERO tolerance for a clear and obvious racist in the Tory party. Your true colours are showing.
My "true colours". Oh dear. C'mon.
Despite writing countless posts on here that are not - cough - completely free of racist sentiment I have noticed that you tend to become apoplectic about antisemitism on the Left and in the Labour Party.
Why is this? I bet you can't explain it to my satisfaction.
Interestingly there is a poll of American Jews which goes 75-22 for Biden. One of findings is that they're less impressed by Trumps moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and being the 'most pro Israeli President in US history' than they are by his support for white supremicists at home. This is something little understood by the many Faragist/Johnsonites shouting anti-semite at Corbyn who post here.
That's good to hear. Trump's attempted appeal to Jews is as crass and disrespectful as his pitch to women and Blacks.
True. Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers.
Fascist.
This is a rather unfortunate post.
(i) Donald Trump inherited a strong economy and proceeded to fire it up further with a big tax cut funded on the never never. Jobs were created and employment (including amongst black people) duly went up until Covid spoilt the party.
(ii) "Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers."
What sort of mind expresses the truth of (ii) as the dumb racist propaganda of (i)?
Is it a dumb racist one?
I'm enjoying your posts but please don't head down the "economics" road. We know it isn't your best subject and I would like to see you stay focused on your strengths.
Focusing on our strengths could really limit some posters...
I love having the French as our friendly enemy across the water, but I hope they get huge amounts of support in their ongoing fight on the issues that they are facing.
Macron has been spot on about this issue and things like the statue topplers colonialism......but he is also incredibly unpopular within France.
Will be still be re-elected though? (depends who makes the final two, presumably)
Battle of two Islamophobes....as Macron appears to be getting that tag from some quarters.
YouGov are quick off the mark, just partaken in a poll asking if suspending Corbyn was the right thing to do, what do I think of Starmer and Corbyn as Labour leaders.
This surprises me, I must admit. There is the benefit of showing that "Under New Leadership" is no empty slogan. Against this is the risk of internal warfare in the party. I would have said the potential damage is greater than the benefit but it looks like Starmer disagrees. Let's see how the Left react.
He’s a f*cking anti-Semite and you would have ZERO tolerance for a clear and obvious racist in the Tory party. Your true colours are showing.
My "true colours". Oh dear. C'mon.
Despite writing countless posts on here that are not - cough - completely free of racist sentiment I have noticed that you tend to become apoplectic about antisemitism on the Left and in the Labour Party.
Why is this? I bet you can't explain it to my satisfaction.
Interestingly there is a poll of American Jews which goes 75-22 for Biden. One of findings is that they're less impressed by Trumps moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and being the 'most pro Israeli President in US history' than they are by his support for white supremicists at home. This is something little understood by the many Faragist/Johnsonites shouting anti-semite at Corbyn who post here.
That's good to hear. Trump's attempted appeal to Jews is as crass and disrespectful as his pitch to women and Blacks.
True. Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers.
Fascist.
This is a rather unfortunate post.
(i) Donald Trump inherited a strong economy and proceeded to fire it up further with a big tax cut funded on the never never. Jobs were created and employment (including amongst black people) duly went up until Covid spoilt the party.
(ii) "Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers."
What sort of mind expresses the truth of (ii) as the dumb racist propaganda of (i)?
Is it a dumb racist one?
I'm enjoying your posts but please don't head down the "economics" road. We know it isn't your best subject and I would like to see you stay focused on your strengths.
Focusing on our strengths could really limit some posters...
Yes that is true. I hadn't looked at it like that. @kinabalu - go for it on the "economics".
Good for her. Never thought much of her, but the temptation to extend an olive branch to a dozen disaffected Socialist MPs must have been considerable for the Greens. While I have a nagging feeling she may have thought about the impact of lots of mouthy ex-Labour types joining, let’s give her the benefit of the doubt here and say that’s the action of somebody with both integrity and principles.
The early vote % of 2016 for Idaho is wrong, it's based off Ada county which has 148473 votes in out of 180655 cast in 2016. So the return rate in Idaho could be around 82%
Quite so. I don't doubt that some of the angry protests we see around the world are genuine in their feeling, and I accept that for people of strong faith it may well hurt to see mocking or insulting depictions of their religous figures and symbols. But it always just makes me think how weak and insecure they must think their religion is, that some spotty bloke drawing a cartoon must be killed or intimidated for their doodling.
Far from a demonstartion of how strong and important their faith is, it makes it seem like they are saying their faith can be defeated by a cartoon.
That is to misunderstand the worldview. I mentioned before - read the story of the human beings who created the Reformation. Charming, literate, well educated men (and women). Who believed so fundamentally in their truth that being burned at the stake was simply a test. Or burning people at the stake for that matter. They believed utterly, totally, and without doubt. Religion *was* their lives.
In such a context, an insult to their religion is as if you battered their small children. An attack on their very core, on their life itself.
But the ultimate consequence of the contradictions of the reformation was that people came in the end to agree that religious opinion uniformity could not be forced imposed either from above (Pope, King, Parliament) or from below (crowd opinion). This was fixed in England from the 18th century - a long time ago. So long ago that we have forgotten its importance and origin. But it is (I hope) like the rights of women in the last 100 years, or free health care based on need - impossible that we shall go back on it.
I'm not having that, there are excellent and many reasons to be disobliging about Chris Williamson, but this is not one.
The phrase “Planet Zog” seems to have gone into orbit in the mid-1980s. In the widely syndicated American comic strip Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson, six-year-old Calvin has fantasies about travelling to the planet in the guise of Spaceman Spiff. “No Earthling has ever before seen the cratered, scarred surface of distant Planet Zog!” declares Spiff in a 1986 cartoon as he approaches it in his modestly sized spaceship. The following year, a certain pair of puppets made their debut on Irish TV – Zig and Zag, two furry alien twins from the Planet Zog. The puppets became much more famous in the UK in 1992, when they joined the team of The Big Breakfast, the Channel 4 morning show. And there is evidence that British comedians started using the phrase “Planet Zog” quite a lot from this date.
Once comedians have started spreading something, politicians are often only a little way behind. In Britain in the late 1990s and early 2000s, Planet Zog received several name-checks in parliament. An early political user was Labour’s Peter Mandelson, who bitchily dismissed some Conservative opponent in 1998 as “someone who inhabits Planet Zog and remains blissfully unaware of the conditions and challenges facing business in the real world”.
I love having the French as our friendly enemy across the water, but I hope they get huge amounts of support in their ongoing fight on the issues that they are facing.
Macron has been spot on about this issue and things like the statue topplers colonialism......but he is also incredibly unpopular within France.
Will be still be re-elected though? (depends who makes the final two, presumably)
Macron deserves to be re-elected (and I think he will) purely for his personal bravery over Islamism. No other western leader has the guts to go where he is going, if Trump did it he’d make it some vulgar personal reality show. Free speech is free speech. The enlightenment lives in its cradle. Vive la France
The guy you're retweeting here looks to be a rabid Trumper conspiracy theorist. You probably didn't realize that.
Unfollow perhaps?
lol. You always do this with tweets that make you deeply uncomfortable. Who gives a fuck what the tweeter believes. He could be a flat Earther for all I care. The footage is the footage.
Bullshit, antisemitism is on the extremes of the left and right.
Or did you miss Trump's supporters chanting 'Jews will not replace us' or the background of alleged perpetrator of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting?
Yawn. I didn’t even mention the right. Straw man.
However I do believe anti-Semitic discourse is now readily accepted on the mainstream Left in a way it isn’t on the right (tho it was, once). Look at these people attending a Corbyn rally. They clearly think it’s OK to say this stuff into a camera.
There was a very good interview with Bari Weiss on Sam Harris podcast on the range of antisemitism...the right (Great replacement stuff), the left (the rich Jews control the world), the Islamists (the Jews must be removed from existence).
I’ve no doubt there is anti-semitism on the right. Still. The difference is that the right, at least, belatedly perceives it as shameful and ugly, so it is all furtive. Whispers. Little asides that make you wonder
Two generations of anti-Israeli discourse on the left (much of it justified, re the Israeli government) has now morphed into open contempt, dislike, hatred of Jews, and because the Left sees itself as morally beyond reproach, they feel free to express it openly, as so many in their social/political circles agree entirely. Then they are genuinely shocked when others are horrified.
That’s the problem. That’s the hole Corbyn has fallen into. It is sad.
I agree that Corbyn has fallen into a sad-shaped hole. But the hole that you have fallen into is rather sad too. Or are you - unlike Jeremy - able to immerse yourself in shit and yet remain pristine? I'll answer my own question this time. No - I don't believe you can.
I'm sure he is shocked it "happened so quickly". Under his own leadership Corbyn would have appointed someone who wasn't currently a peer to look into the matter and then sat back for months knowing that he would be determined to act on the final report.
Someone posted the state EV voting figures for Texas earlier, i think Harris was slightly under the overall % vs 2016, though not by much, but the more it exceeds 2016 the better for Biden for sure. Still a few days to go of course as well
Looking to boost the Hispanic vote then, but the fact they are sending Harris there with just a few days to go rather than one of the more obvious swing states, suggests they are confident (or over confident) we shall see.
Hidalgo County, where McAllen is, is on turnout of 94% of 2016 and counting.
The guy you're retweeting here looks to be a rabid Trumper conspiracy theorist. You probably didn't realize that.
Unfollow perhaps?
lol. You always do this with tweets that make you deeply uncomfortable. Who gives a fuck what the tweeter believes. He could be a flat Earther for all I care. The footage is the footage.
Yes but how did you find it though?
Because I saw it earlier in the day on a Twitter moments round up of US news: the Philadelphia riots. Crikey, that makes Twitter racist?!
I'm not having that, there are excellent and many reasons to be disobliging about Chris Williamson, but this is not one.
The phrase “Planet Zog” seems to have gone into orbit in the mid-1980s. In the widely syndicated American comic strip Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson, six-year-old Calvin has fantasies about travelling to the planet in the guise of Spaceman Spiff. “No Earthling has ever before seen the cratered, scarred surface of distant Planet Zog!” declares Spiff in a 1986 cartoon as he approaches it in his modestly sized spaceship. The following year, a certain pair of puppets made their debut on Irish TV – Zig and Zag, two furry alien twins from the Planet Zog. The puppets became much more famous in the UK in 1992, when they joined the team of The Big Breakfast, the Channel 4 morning show. And there is evidence that British comedians started using the phrase “Planet Zog” quite a lot from this date.
Once comedians have started spreading something, politicians are often only a little way behind. In Britain in the late 1990s and early 2000s, Planet Zog received several name-checks in parliament. An early political user was Labour’s Peter Mandelson, who bitchily dismissed some Conservative opponent in 1998 as “someone who inhabits Planet Zog and remains blissfully unaware of the conditions and challenges facing business in the real world”.
He's an odious creep, and an antisemite, and I wasn't aware of that TV show reference, but until I scrolled down the tweet I had thought someone being on Planet Zog was just a standard insult.
The guy you're retweeting here looks to be a rabid Trumper conspiracy theorist. You probably didn't realize that.
Unfollow perhaps?
lol. You always do this with tweets that make you deeply uncomfortable. Who gives a fuck what the tweeter believes. He could be a flat Earther for all I care. The footage is the footage.
Yes but how did you find it though?
Because I saw it earlier in the day on a Twitter moments round up of US news: the Philadelphia riots. Crikey, that makes Twitter racist?!
I'm not having that, there are excellent and many reasons to be disobliging about Chris Williamson, but this is not one.
The phrase “Planet Zog” seems to have gone into orbit in the mid-1980s. In the widely syndicated American comic strip Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson, six-year-old Calvin has fantasies about travelling to the planet in the guise of Spaceman Spiff. “No Earthling has ever before seen the cratered, scarred surface of distant Planet Zog!” declares Spiff in a 1986 cartoon as he approaches it in his modestly sized spaceship. The following year, a certain pair of puppets made their debut on Irish TV – Zig and Zag, two furry alien twins from the Planet Zog. The puppets became much more famous in the UK in 1992, when they joined the team of The Big Breakfast, the Channel 4 morning show. And there is evidence that British comedians started using the phrase “Planet Zog” quite a lot from this date.
Once comedians have started spreading something, politicians are often only a little way behind. In Britain in the late 1990s and early 2000s, Planet Zog received several name-checks in parliament. An early political user was Labour’s Peter Mandelson, who bitchily dismissed some Conservative opponent in 1998 as “someone who inhabits Planet Zog and remains blissfully unaware of the conditions and challenges facing business in the real world”.
He's an odious creep, and an antisemite, and I wasn't aware of that TV show reference, but until I scrolled down the tweet I had thought someone being on Planet Zog was just a standard insult.
Agreed. And yet, with him, you do wonder. It’s like the faint whiff of rotting apples from an alcoholic. Probably just because he took an autumn walk in the orchards? Or.....
And that's the problem. No, Jezza isn't a Nazi. I'm confident that, if you placed him in a Good Samaritan scenario, he would stop and help the injured man, no matter how Jewish he was. He's just too dim to realise that many of the allies he has collected over the years are actively antisemitic, and too arrogant to step back when this is pointed out to him.
The kindest way to see Jez is as a kind of holy fool. For his many fans, the holy excused the foolishness. They were wrong.
Bullshit, antisemitism is on the extremes of the left and right.
Or did you miss Trump's supporters chanting 'Jews will not replace us' or the background of alleged perpetrator of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting?
Yawn. I didn’t even mention the right. Straw man.
However I do believe anti-Semitic discourse is now readily accepted on the mainstream Left in a way it isn’t on the right (tho it was, once). Look at these people attending a Corbyn rally. They clearly think it’s OK to say this stuff into a camera.
There was a very good interview with Bari Weiss on Sam Harris podcast on the range of antisemitism...the right (Great replacement stuff), the left (the rich Jews control the world), the Islamists (the Jews must be removed from existence).
I’ve no doubt there is anti-semitism on the right. Still. The difference is that the right, at least, belatedly perceives it as shameful and ugly, so it is all furtive. Whispers. Little asides that make you wonder
Two generations of anti-Israeli discourse on the left (much of it justified, re the Israeli government) has now morphed into open contempt, dislike, hatred of Jews, and because the Left sees itself as morally beyond reproach, they feel free to express it openly, as so many in their social/political circles agree entirely. Then they are genuinely shocked when others are horrified.
That’s the problem. That’s the hole Corbyn has fallen into. It is sad.
I agree that Corbyn has fallen into a sad-shaped hole. But the hole that you have fallen into is rather sad too. Or are you - unlike Jeremy - able to immerse yourself in shit and yet remain pristine? I'll answer my own question this time. No - I don't believe you can.
Old, shite smeared identities can be sloughed off revealing shiny new ones. The question does remain how many times that can be done without completely devaluing the 'brand'.
Clarification: Williamson was in fact referring to the Planet Zog that is the home of puppets Zig & Zag, once of Channel 4's Big Breakfast and other entertainment vehicles
Perhaps humour doesn't travel well between countries,
Was never a problem for Asterix comics.
There was a lot in the translation rather than the French original which made them appeal so much to eg the UK.
Now hang on - whilst that is true, the original French Astérix books are absolutely hilarious, some of the funniest things I've ever seen. The translators did a good job in coming up with funny English equivalents rather than literal translations of the jokes.
More generally, though, French newspaper cartoons are absolutely dire. Almost as bad as Steve Bell but without even the viciousness.
The guy you're retweeting here looks to be a rabid Trumper conspiracy theorist. You probably didn't realize that.
Unfollow perhaps?
lol. You always do this with tweets that make you deeply uncomfortable. Who gives a fuck what the tweeter believes. He could be a flat Earther for all I care. The footage is the footage.
You can "lol" but I nevertheless genuinely wish to understand why you follow people who routinely post hard right filth. I could hazard an answer myself, I suppose, but rather a sterile discourse that would be.
The guy you're retweeting here looks to be a rabid Trumper conspiracy theorist. You probably didn't realize that.
Unfollow perhaps?
lol. You always do this with tweets that make you deeply uncomfortable. Who gives a fuck what the tweeter believes. He could be a flat Earther for all I care. The footage is the footage.
You can "lol" but I nevertheless genuinely wish to understand why you follow people who routinely post hard right filth. I could hazard an answer myself, I suppose, but rather a sterile discourse that would be.
Bullshit, antisemitism is on the extremes of the left and right.
Or did you miss Trump's supporters chanting 'Jews will not replace us' or the background of alleged perpetrator of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting?
Yawn. I didn’t even mention the right. Straw man.
However I do believe anti-Semitic discourse is now readily accepted on the mainstream Left in a way it isn’t on the right (tho it was, once). Look at these people attending a Corbyn rally. They clearly think it’s OK to say this stuff into a camera.
There was a very good interview with Bari Weiss on Sam Harris podcast on the range of antisemitism...the right (Great replacement stuff), the left (the rich Jews control the world), the Islamists (the Jews must be removed from existence).
I’ve no doubt there is anti-semitism on the right. Still. The difference is that the right, at least, belatedly perceives it as shameful and ugly, so it is all furtive. Whispers. Little asides that make you wonder
Two generations of anti-Israeli discourse on the left (much of it justified, re the Israeli government) has now morphed into open contempt, dislike, hatred of Jews, and because the Left sees itself as morally beyond reproach, they feel free to express it openly, as so many in their social/political circles agree entirely. Then they are genuinely shocked when others are horrified.
That’s the problem. That’s the hole Corbyn has fallen into. It is sad.
I agree that Corbyn has fallen into a sad-shaped hole. But the hole that you have fallen into is rather sad too. Or are you - unlike Jeremy - able to immerse yourself in shit and yet remain pristine? I'll answer my own question this time. No - I don't believe you can.
Today's not the day for whatboutery. Today is about Corbyn getting the political kicking he richly deserves. That fact that SOME of the people issuing the kicks are shameless supporters of other racists should make any right-minded person feel itchy, but today is NOT the day. When they get their turn, and they will, there will be no whataboutery allowed either. This needs to play out, because anti-racism is much, much more important than ideology.
Bullshit, antisemitism is on the extremes of the left and right.
Or did you miss Trump's supporters chanting 'Jews will not replace us' or the background of alleged perpetrator of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting?
Yawn. I didn’t even mention the right. Straw man.
However I do believe anti-Semitic discourse is now readily accepted on the mainstream Left in a way it isn’t on the right (tho it was, once). Look at these people attending a Corbyn rally. They clearly think it’s OK to say this stuff into a camera.
There was a very good interview with Bari Weiss on Sam Harris podcast on the range of antisemitism...the right (Great replacement stuff), the left (the rich Jews control the world), the Islamists (the Jews must be removed from existence).
I’ve no doubt there is anti-semitism on the right. Still. The difference is that the right, at least, belatedly perceives it as shameful and ugly, so it is all furtive. Whispers. Little asides that make you wonder
Two generations of anti-Israeli discourse on the left (much of it justified, re the Israeli government) has now morphed into open contempt, dislike, hatred of Jews, and because the Left sees itself as morally beyond reproach, they feel free to express it openly, as so many in their social/political circles agree entirely. Then they are genuinely shocked when others are horrified.
That’s the problem. That’s the hole Corbyn has fallen into. It is sad.
I agree that Corbyn has fallen into a sad-shaped hole. But the hole that you have fallen into is rather sad too. Or are you - unlike Jeremy - able to immerse yourself in shit and yet remain pristine? I'll answer my own question this time. No - I don't believe you can.
Today's not the day for whatboutery. Today is about Corbyn getting the political kicking he richly deserves. That fact that SOME of the people issuing the kicks are shameless supporters of other racists should make any right-minded person feel itchy, but today is NOT the day. When they get their turn, and they will, there will be no whataboutery allowed either. This needs to play out, because anti-racism is much, much more important than ideology.
Very true, but Corbyn's ideology is for the birds. No apology forth coming from Corbyn to the poor, malnourished schoolchildren of England who will not get a meal over the Christmas Holidays, for it is Corbyn who personally delivered Boris Johnson his 80 seat majority. A majority he can use exactly as he pleases.
Perhaps humour doesn't travel well between countries,
Was never a problem for Asterix comics.
There was a lot in the translation rather than the French original which made them appeal so much to eg the UK.
Now hang on - whilst that is true, the original French Astérix books are absolutely hilarious, some of the funniest things I've ever seen. The translators did a good job in coming up with funny English equivalents rather than literal translations of the jokes.
More generally, though, French newspaper cartoons are absolutely dire. Almost as bad as Steve Bell but without even the viciousness.
Well I can't comment on that - I thought (and think) that the Asterix books are fantastic and I suppose, thinking about it, it makes sense that something which is funny when it's translated is funny in the original.
But to the point made about humour travelling, I would be interested to know whether eg. Vitalstatistix is the same type of humour in the original or whether it's funny in a different way.
This surprises me, I must admit. There is the benefit of showing that "Under New Leadership" is no empty slogan. Against this is the risk of internal warfare in the party. I would have said the potential damage is greater than the benefit but it looks like Starmer disagrees. Let's see how the Left react.
He’s a f*cking anti-Semite and you would have ZERO tolerance for a clear and obvious racist in the Tory party. Your true colours are showing.
My "true colours". Oh dear. C'mon.
Despite writing countless posts on here that are not - cough - completely free of racist sentiment I have noticed that you tend to become apoplectic about antisemitism on the Left and in the Labour Party.
Why is this? I bet you can't explain it to my satisfaction.
Interestingly there is a poll of American Jews which goes 75-22 for Biden. One of findings is that they're less impressed by Trumps moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and being the 'most pro Israeli President in US history' than they are by his support for white supremicists at home. This is something little understood by the many Faragist/Johnsonites shouting anti-semite at Corbyn who post here.
That's good to hear. Trump's attempted appeal to Jews is as crass and disrespectful as his pitch to women and Blacks.
True. Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers.
Fascist.
This is a rather unfortunate post.
(i) Donald Trump inherited a strong economy and proceeded to fire it up further with a big tax cut funded on the never never. Jobs were created and employment (including amongst black people) duly went up until Covid spoilt the party.
(ii) "Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers."
What sort of mind expresses the truth of (ii) as the dumb racist propaganda of (i)?
Is it a dumb racist one?
I'm enjoying your posts but please don't head down the "economics" road. We know it isn't your best subject and I would like to see you stay focused on your strengths.
True enough. It's not my BEST topic. My economics is like Picasso's etchings.
This surprises me, I must admit. There is the benefit of showing that "Under New Leadership" is no empty slogan. Against this is the risk of internal warfare in the party. I would have said the potential damage is greater than the benefit but it looks like Starmer disagrees. Let's see how the Left react.
He’s a f*cking anti-Semite and you would have ZERO tolerance for a clear and obvious racist in the Tory party. Your true colours are showing.
My "true colours". Oh dear. C'mon.
Despite writing countless posts on here that are not - cough - completely free of racist sentiment I have noticed that you tend to become apoplectic about antisemitism on the Left and in the Labour Party.
Why is this? I bet you can't explain it to my satisfaction.
Interestingly there is a poll of American Jews which goes 75-22 for Biden. One of findings is that they're less impressed by Trumps moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem and being the 'most pro Israeli President in US history' than they are by his support for white supremicists at home. This is something little understood by the many Faragist/Johnsonites shouting anti-semite at Corbyn who post here.
That's good to hear. Trump's attempted appeal to Jews is as crass and disrespectful as his pitch to women and Blacks.
True. Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers.
Fascist.
This is a rather unfortunate post.
(i) Donald Trump inherited a strong economy and proceeded to fire it up further with a big tax cut funded on the never never. Jobs were created and employment (including amongst black people) duly went up until Covid spoilt the party.
(ii) "Trump gave blacks jobs in record high numbers."
What sort of mind expresses the truth of (ii) as the dumb racist propaganda of (i)?
Is it a dumb racist one?
I'm enjoying your posts but please don't head down the "economics" road. We know it isn't your best subject and I would like to see you stay focused on your strengths.
True enough. It's not my BEST topic. My economics is like Picasso's etchings.
Oh god - modern art! Out of the frying pan into the frying pan!
What's your view on his etchings vs other of his work?
Today has turned out very well for Starmer. What ought to have been a day of serious - if much expected - embarrassment for his party has instead presented him with an opportunity to show strong leadership. In due course , Corbyn is likely to be readmitted to the PLP.
Clarification: Williamson was in fact referring to the Planet Zog that is the home of puppets Zig & Zag, once of Channel 4's Big Breakfast and other entertainment vehicles
always some nutter going to be outraged no matter what.
Bullshit, antisemitism is on the extremes of the left and right.
Or did you miss Trump's supporters chanting 'Jews will not replace us' or the background of alleged perpetrator of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting?
Yawn. I didn’t even mention the right. Straw man.
However I do believe anti-Semitic discourse is now readily accepted on the mainstream Left in a way it isn’t on the right (tho it was, once). Look at these people attending a Corbyn rally. They clearly think it’s OK to say this stuff into a camera.
There was a very good interview with Bari Weiss on Sam Harris podcast on the range of antisemitism...the right (Great replacement stuff), the left (the rich Jews control the world), the Islamists (the Jews must be removed from existence).
I’ve no doubt there is anti-semitism on the right. Still. The difference is that the right, at least, belatedly perceives it as shameful and ugly, so it is all furtive. Whispers. Little asides that make you wonder
Two generations of anti-Israeli discourse on the left (much of it justified, re the Israeli government) has now morphed into open contempt, dislike, hatred of Jews, and because the Left sees itself as morally beyond reproach, they feel free to express it openly, as so many in their social/political circles agree entirely. Then they are genuinely shocked when others are horrified.
That’s the problem. That’s the hole Corbyn has fallen into. It is sad.
I agree that Corbyn has fallen into a sad-shaped hole. But the hole that you have fallen into is rather sad too. Or are you - unlike Jeremy - able to immerse yourself in shit and yet remain pristine? I'll answer my own question this time. No - I don't believe you can.
Today's not the day for whatboutery. Today is about Corbyn getting the political kicking he richly deserves. That fact that SOME of the people issuing the kicks are shameless supporters of other racists should make any right-minded person feel itchy, but today is NOT the day. When they get their turn, and they will, there will be no whataboutery allowed either. This needs to play out, because anti-racism is much, much more important than ideology.
Very true, but Corbyn's ideology is for the birds. No apology forth coming from Corbyn to the poor, malnourished schoolchildren of England who will not get a meal over the Christmas Holidays, for it is Corbyn who personally delivered Boris Johnson his 80 seat majority. A majority he can use exactly as he pleases.
I get where you're coming from, and I don't really want to get into a left v right argument, because that's not really the point today. But I would say that nobody is making the policy choices of the current government other than the current government. If there's something about the Conservative government you find attractive or objectionable, the fairest place to put the praise or the blame is on the Conservative government.
Perhaps humour doesn't travel well between countries,
Was never a problem for Asterix comics.
There was a lot in the translation rather than the French original which made them appeal so much to eg the UK.
Now hang on - whilst that is true, the original French Astérix books are absolutely hilarious, some of the funniest things I've ever seen. The translators did a good job in coming up with funny English equivalents rather than literal translations of the jokes.
More generally, though, French newspaper cartoons are absolutely dire. Almost as bad as Steve Bell but without even the viciousness.
Well I can't comment on that - I thought (and think) that the Asterix books are fantastic and I suppose, thinking about it, it makes sense that something which is funny when it's translated is funny in the original.
But to the point made about humour travelling, I would be interested to know whether eg. Vitalstatistix is the same type of humour in the original or whether it's funny in a different way.
It's the same kind of humour. In the original he's Abraracourcix:
(à bras raccourcis, literally — "with shortened arms" from the French phrase tomber sur quelqu'un à bras raccourcis – "to attack someone with violence")
Most of the names are a bit more straightforward than that, eg Assurancetourix ("assurance tous risques" = comprehensive insurance) for the village bard (Cacofonix in the English version)
I'm Spartacus! I thought Corbyn was the worst leader Labour have ever had and from the moment he was elected I didn't think he had a snowball in Hell's chance of winning but I never believed and still don't that he 'has a racist bone in his body' to quote his son and there aren't many Party leaders i could say that about. Just a few examples Michael Howard (Gypsies etc) Margaret Thatcher (South Africa) Boris Johnson (Watermelons and pilarboxes) IDS (don't get me started........)
Do you not think Corbyn is confused? Corbyn conflates Neatanyahu extremism with people like Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger. Whether he means to or not is irrelevant. It is still anti-Semitic.
I don't like seeing Israeli forces open automatic fire on Palestinian teenagers when one throws a stone at a soldier, but I don't blame Luciana Berger for the carnage.
PB HISTORIANS: has any other major party in Britain suspended its immediately previous leader? I can’t think of an example. Any abroad in other democracies?
UKIP?
A thread on their leadership woes would be worth a good laugh, even though they are not major anymore.
I was once quoted on Oddschecker in the "Next UKIP leader" market
You were in the running ?
No, it was Shadsy mucking about. I was in the running as a candidate in 2015 vs Emily Thornberry in Islington South
EDIT But I decided not to bother
Gosh, I did not know that. The real thing then.
I will cease with the "West Ham" harassment forthwith.
PB HISTORIANS: has any other major party in Britain suspended its immediately previous leader? I can’t think of an example. Any abroad in other democracies?
UKIP?
A thread on their leadership woes would be worth a good laugh, even though they are not major anymore.
I was once quoted on Oddschecker in the "Next UKIP leader" market
You were in the running ?
No, it was Shadsy mucking about. I was in the running as a candidate in 2015 vs Emily Thornberry in Islington South
EDIT But I decided not to bother
Gosh, I did not know that. The real thing then.
I will cease with the "West Ham" harassment forthwith.
I like your style - replying to other posters to give cover to your frantic "Picasso etchings" googling.
The guy you're retweeting here looks to be a rabid Trumper conspiracy theorist. You probably didn't realize that.
Unfollow perhaps?
lol. You always do this with tweets that make you deeply uncomfortable. Who gives a fuck what the tweeter believes. He could be a flat Earther for all I care. The footage is the footage.
You can "lol" but I nevertheless genuinely wish to understand why you follow people who routinely post hard right filth. I could hazard an answer myself, I suppose, but rather a sterile discourse that would be.
Lol
You might well lol but do you not wonder why two of us (albeit mine as a joke) asked the same question?
Ah, loyalty. Essentially saying that whatever may be revealed, it doesn't matter.
But I get it, it's tough to admit a loved one is a racist or has succoured racists. My father is more racist than Corbyn and I cannot say I tend to bring it up.
Perhaps humour doesn't travel well between countries,
Was never a problem for Asterix comics.
There was a lot in the translation rather than the French original which made them appeal so much to eg the UK.
Now hang on - whilst that is true, the original French Astérix books are absolutely hilarious, some of the funniest things I've ever seen. The translators did a good job in coming up with funny English equivalents rather than literal translations of the jokes.
More generally, though, French newspaper cartoons are absolutely dire. Almost as bad as Steve Bell but without even the viciousness.
Well I can't comment on that - I thought (and think) that the Asterix books are fantastic and I suppose, thinking about it, it makes sense that something which is funny when it's translated is funny in the original.
But to the point made about humour travelling, I would be interested to know whether eg. Vitalstatistix is the same type of humour in the original or whether it's funny in a different way.
It's the same kind of humour. In the original he's Abraracourcix:
(à bras raccourcis, literally — "with shortened arms" from the French phrase tomber sur quelqu'un à bras raccourcis – "to attack someone with violence")
Most of the names are a bit more straightforward than that, eg Assurancetourix ("assurance tous risques" = comprehensive insurance) for the village bard (Cacofonix in the English version)
V nice - but I think the beauty of the names is that they are steeped in the cultural and linguistic context of the nation concerned (France and the UK in this instance).
I've never understood the Thatcher as Sex Symbol thing. Didn't even Francois Mitterand have the hots for her? Bizarre. Her voice alone is an instant passion killer. (this isn't a political thing, there are some hot Tories but Thatch is most definitely not on the list).
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https://twitter.com/adamlangleben/status/1321851753281818624
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1321855101108191236
The phrase “Planet Zog” seems to have gone into orbit in the mid-1980s. In the widely syndicated American comic strip Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson, six-year-old Calvin has fantasies about travelling to the planet in the guise of Spaceman Spiff. “No Earthling has ever before seen the cratered, scarred surface of distant Planet Zog!” declares Spiff in a 1986 cartoon as he approaches it in his modestly sized spaceship. The following year, a certain pair of puppets made their debut on Irish TV – Zig and Zag, two furry alien twins from the Planet Zog. The puppets became much more famous in the UK in 1992, when they joined the team of The Big Breakfast, the Channel 4 morning show. And there is evidence that British comedians started using the phrase “Planet Zog” quite a lot from this date.
Once comedians have started spreading something, politicians are often only a little way behind. In Britain in the late 1990s and early 2000s, Planet Zog received several name-checks in parliament. An early political user was Labour’s Peter Mandelson, who bitchily dismissed some Conservative opponent in 1998 as “someone who inhabits Planet Zog and remains blissfully unaware of the conditions and challenges facing business in the real world”.
https://www.tonybarrell.com/planet-zog-cosmic-truth/
Gave me the horn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiXEpminPms
Anyone using the last 3-5 days to prove anything other than that the last 3-5 days are incomplete is a heretic. And will be shown.... Mercy.
https://twitter.com/EdOverbeek/status/1321848237477621766?s=19
Anyone using the last 3-5 days to prove anything other than that the last 3-5 days are incomplete is a heretic. And will be shown.... Mercy.
Anyone using the last 3-5 days to prove anything other than that the last 3-5 days are incomplete is a heretic. And will be shown.... Mercy.
Anyone using the last 3-5 days to prove anything other than that the last 3-5 days are incomplete is a heretic. And will be shown.... Mercy.
The kindest way to see Jez is as a kind of holy fool. For his many fans, the holy excused the foolishness. They were wrong.
Anyone using the last 3-5 days to prove anything other than that the last 3-5 days are incomplete is a heretic. And will be shown.... Mercy.
More generally, though, French newspaper cartoons are absolutely dire. Almost as bad as Steve Bell but without even the viciousness.
That fact that SOME of the people issuing the kicks are shameless supporters of other racists should make any right-minded person feel itchy, but today is NOT the day.
When they get their turn, and they will, there will be no whataboutery allowed either. This needs to play out, because anti-racism is much, much more important than ideology.
https://twitter.com/RobertGCurrie/status/1321858266792660993
But to the point made about humour travelling, I would be interested to know whether eg. Vitalstatistix is the same type of humour in the original or whether it's funny in a different way.
What's your view on his etchings vs other of his work?
Corbyn flails.
Biden 48
Trump 45
Nate Cohn though mentions that he thinks the sample might be leaning too much to the GOP which makes Biden’s 3 point lead look even better .
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1321862566063140865
(à bras raccourcis, literally — "with shortened arms" from the French phrase tomber sur quelqu'un à bras raccourcis – "to attack someone with violence")
Most of the names are a bit more straightforward than that, eg Assurancetourix ("assurance tous risques" = comprehensive insurance) for the village bard (Cacofonix in the English version)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asterix_characters
I don't like seeing Israeli forces open automatic fire on Palestinian teenagers when one throws a stone at a soldier, but I don't blame Luciana Berger for the carnage.
I will cease with the "West Ham" harassment forthwith.
Kudos, if a bit clumsy.
You can have my Kleenex CR, I won't be needing them any more.
Anyone match that?
But I get it, it's tough to admit a loved one is a racist or has succoured racists. My father is more racist than Corbyn and I cannot say I tend to bring it up.
Macdonald lost the whip in both 1914 and 1931, both times while leader (remarkably).
I had forgotten Barnes but he was a bit of a special case.
(this isn't a political thing, there are some hot Tories but Thatch is most definitely not on the list).
Biden 48 .. Trump 48
https://www.uml.edu/Research/public-opinion/polls/2020/NC-Oct.aspx