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The latest YouGov UC elections model has Biden 356 ECVs Trump 182 – politicalbetting.com

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edited October 2020 in General
imageThe latest YouGov UC elections model has Biden 356 ECVs Trump 182 – politicalbetting.com

Here are the latest results from our 2020 presidential election model:ELECTORAL COLLEGEBiden 356 / Trump 182POPULAR VOTEBiden 53.1% / Trump 44.6%Check out the interactive map for state-level results and more at https://t.co/5xQeQUaklG #Election2020 pic.twitter.com/ku80UrpLYu

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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Go Joe!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Damn 2nd.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Fish and chips for tea, yum.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Stocky said:

    Fish and chips for tea, yum.

    Avec guacamole?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    O/T: YouGov has Trump on 182, 538 have him on 196 and The Economist 188.

    Meanwhile - we can still get 1.48 on Biden to win.

    Happy days.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Fish and chips for tea, yum.

    Avec guacamole?
    Avec brown sauce.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,697
    TOPPING said:

    Stocky said:

    Fish and chips for tea, yum.

    Avec guacamole?
    Pineapple salsa.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Is that a 'landslide'? Probably just short
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,097
    edited October 2020

    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    By the time the government react, it all too late...people have taken their own action.

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1320789837335715840?s=19
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    By the time the government react, it all too late...people have taken their own action.

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1320789837335715840?s=19
    No doubt Tier 3 will be declared a triumph as numbers are falling.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2020
    Summary of the latest model outputs , derived from the ECV probability distributions:

    538 Economist YouGov
    ---------------------------------------------------

    Probability of Biden win 86% 95% 90%
    Probability of Trump win 14% 5% 10%

    Median of probability distribution
    (i.e. 50% of the distribution is above/below this value):
    Biden ECVs: 343 350 355
    Trump ECVs: 195 188 183

    Expected value of probability distribution
    (i.e. fair value for spread bets):
    Biden ECVs: 342 347 349
    Trump ECVs: 196 191 189

    Fair value for N-up spread bets:
    Biden 270-Up: 77 79 82
    Biden 300-Up: 54 53 57
    Trump 270-Up: 5 2 5

    Probability by Ladbrokes band
    Biden 400+ 22% 12% 23%
    Biden 350-399 25% 41% 30%
    Biden 300-349 25% 32% 27%
    Biden 270-299 14% 9% 10%
    Trump 270-299 7% 3% 7%
    Trump 300-349 5% 2% 3%
    Trump 350-399 0% 0% 0%
    Trump 400+ 0% 0% 0%
    As usual, 538 has a slightly flatter distribution than the other two, and YouGov is the most bullish on Biden in its central forecast. Overall they are pretty close now.
  • Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    It is not tracking overall numbers that matters it's tracking age related numbers that matters.

    If you have 1000 cases of which 990 are Uni students that is less concerning than having 700 cases of which 200 are elderly.

    A common trend seems to be that numbers are going down from the student peak but as it's spreading in the community the numbers in the older profiles are going up.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    On that YouGov model, applying a uniform swing, Biden needs to win the popular vote by no more than 2.1% to win the electoral college (by gaining WI, MI and PE).

    YouGov have Biden 8.5% ahead in the popular vote, and 538 have an average Democratic lead of 9.2%. Votes cast already are not far short of half the total 2016 votes cast.

    For Trump to win now requires a systematic polling failure several times the scale of what occured in 2016 in addition to a late swing several times the scale of what occured in 2016.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
  • Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    By the time the government react, it all too late...people have taken their own action.

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1320789837335715840?s=19
    No doubt Tier 3 will be declared a triumph as numbers are falling.
    Our reaction to all of this is the wrong way round...you don't wait for people with virus to come to you, then monitor the rate of increase, then lockdown.

    You have to go out and find where it is before people in the community are even aware it is there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,425
    The YouGov shares are -0.1 for both candidates. I know they feed a lot of interviews into their sample, and it's not all replaced over the seven-day period, but that's still a surprisingly small change. I'd expect more than that from noise most of the time.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Roger said:

    Is that a 'landslide'? Probably just short

    Depends on your definition. Personally I've always held a US landslide to be 400+ EC votes or 10% popular vote win, but that's not an official source or anything. UK landslide in my mind is 100+ majority, although again others may quite reasonably have different definitions.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    By the time the government react, it all too late...people have taken their own action.

    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1320789837335715840?s=19
    No doubt Tier 3 will be declared a triumph as numbers are falling.
    Our reaction to all of this is the wrong way round...you don't wait for people with virus to come to you, then monitor the rate of increase, then lockdown.

    You have to go out and find where it is before people in the community are even aware it is there.
    That ship has sailed I think.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I've seen people saying Biden to win Texas is probably too short. You can get 5/1 on it if you approach it from the right angle (bet Biden 400+ EC votes, or Ladbrokes market on how many of 6 swing states Trump will win where Texas is the easiest for him).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Quincel said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I've seen people saying Biden to win Texas is probably too short. You can get 5/1 on it if you approach it from the right angle (bet Biden 400+ EC votes, or Ladbrokes market on how many of 6 swing states Trump will win where Texas is the easiest for him).
    Thank you!
  • Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    Hospitalisations are rising, though.
    Why have the "it doesn't matter if cases are rising, where are the hospitalisations?" crowd gone quiet/changed their tune?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,221
    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    You can get 7/1 on a narrow Trump win.
  • 41 is an interesting number given the size of the majority.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited October 2020
    FPT

    An interesting gut-feel check by Nate:

    https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1320792383693488128

    However, the previous elections he's comparing with didn't have anything like the current level of early voting. So you'd expect his 10% ballpark figure to be on the high side.

    I know its a "gut check" rather than particularly analytical but I really dont like this calculation.

    2/10 is pretty meaningless - thats perfectly consistent with a chance of anywhere between 10-40%ish not just 20%.

    How many were 4.5% away etc is also relevant.

    There is almost certainly more volatility this year than any previous year.

    50/50 chance it favours Trump feels wrong as well, although that is more subjective and he might be right, but I would think if there is a 5% swing between now and the election Id be happy to back its to Trump at 1.75 and think it might be much shorter.
    "There is almost certainly more volatility this year than any previous year." What?!

    Take a look at RCP's 2020 average and then the 2016 one below it.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/
    Just read from one of the panel-based polls that Biden has held onto 99% of his June supporters, and Trump 98%. Some volatility.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Not sure if this PA poll by Insider Advantage has been posted yet (rated B by 538)
    Trump up by 3%
    https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/26/trump-takes-the-lead-in-pennsylvania-3-per-new-poll/
    They mention in the summary that 14% of African Americans are voting Trump which certainly is a feasible figure.
    The fact its not the usual pollsters putting Trump up is interesting
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    I suspect because his first name is Aaron, rather than anything more significant (its alphabetical by first name)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883
    Stocky said:

    Fish and chips for tea, yum.

    Yum indeed. Cod or haddock?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited October 2020

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Quincel said:

    Roger said:

    Is that a 'landslide'? Probably just short

    Depends on your definition. Personally I've always held a US landslide to be 400+ EC votes or 10% popular vote win, but that's not an official source or anything. UK landslide in my mind is 100+ majority, although again others may quite reasonably have different definitions.
    I fully agree with this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,221
    Trump’s 60 Minutes meltdown gets pretty impressive viewing figures...
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/522807-60-minutes-draws-whooping-17-million-viewers
  • Phil Hammond wasn't likely to become PM unlike Sunak.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    41 is an interesting number given the size of the majority.
    The fractures in Johnson's coalition starting to show. Sound money, well-off southern voters in the shires versus places like Mansfield.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364
    edited October 2020

    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    It is not tracking overall numbers that matters it's tracking age related numbers that matters.

    If you have 1000 cases of which 990 are Uni students that is less concerning than having 700 cases of which 200 are elderly.

    A common trend seems to be that numbers are going down from the student peak but as it's spreading in the community the numbers in the older profiles are going up.
    ...which has resulted in hospitals filling up.

    It's almost as if chasing a single metric for this is a bad idea.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    If there were an MP named Aaron Aardvark, he’d have been the ‘first’, I dare say.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,591
    538 have just reduced Biden's projected lead in PA from 5.5% to 5.1%. Was 5.9% a few days ago.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Mal557 said:

    Not sure if this PA poll by Insider Advantage has been posted yet (rated B by 538)
    Trump up by 3%
    https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/26/trump-takes-the-lead-in-pennsylvania-3-per-new-poll/
    They mention in the summary that 14% of African Americans are voting Trump which certainly is a feasible figure.
    The fact its not the usual pollsters putting Trump up is interesting

    That is interesting
  • Andy_JS said:

    538 have just reduced Biden's projected lead in PA from 5.5% to 5.1%. Was 5.9% a few days ago.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/

    At this rate Trump might close the deficit by Biden's inauguration day.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    To the average Tory, anything North of Watford Gap is the North. To us solemn Covenanters anything south of Jedburgh is "The South".
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Is there more than one Newcastle?
  • Summary of the latest model outputs , derived from the ECV probability distributions:


    538 Economist YouGov
    ---------------------------------------------------

    Probability of Biden win 86% 95% 90%
    Probability of Trump win 14% 5% 10%

    Median of probability distribution
    (i.e. 50% of the distribution is above/below this value):
    Biden ECVs: 343 350 355
    Trump ECVs: 195 188 183

    Expected value of probability distribution
    (i.e. fair value for spread bets):
    Biden ECVs: 342 347 349
    Trump ECVs: 196 191 189

    Fair value for N-up spread bets:
    Biden 270-Up: 77 79 82
    Biden 300-Up: 54 53 57
    Trump 270-Up: 5 2 5

    Probability by Ladbrokes band
    Biden 400+ 22% 12% 23%
    Biden 350-399 25% 41% 30%
    Biden 300-349 25% 32% 27%
    Biden 270-299 14% 9% 10%
    Trump 270-299 7% 3% 7%
    Trump 300-349 5% 2% 3%
    Trump 350-399 0% 0% 0%
    Trump 400+ 0% 0% 0%
    As usual, 538 has a slightly flatter distribution than the other two, and YouGov is the most bullish on Biden in its central forecast. Overall they are pretty close now.
    Speaking as a non-bettor THANK YOU for posting this, Richard!
  • IshmaelZ said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Is there more than one Newcastle?
    Yes, there's one populated with Geordies and Mackems in the North East, and then there's one that's practically part of Stoke.

    There's also a Newcastle in Australia.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Has this been covered? Doesn’t seem to be on 538... is Nate losing his touch??

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522718-biden-stretches-lead-over-trump-in-mich-wis-and-penn-poll
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998
    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Mal557 said:

    Not sure if this PA poll by Insider Advantage has been posted yet (rated B by 538)
    Trump up by 3%
    https://amgreatness.com/2020/10/26/trump-takes-the-lead-in-pennsylvania-3-per-new-poll/
    They mention in the summary that 14% of African Americans are voting Trump which certainly is a feasible figure.
    The fact its not the usual pollsters putting Trump up is interesting

    That is interesting
    Not a particularly large sample size and a very, very partisan commissioning body. But, as they say, throw it in the average and see what comes out in the wash.
  • OnboardG1 said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    To the average Tory, anything North of Watford Gap is the North. To us solemn Covenanters anything south of Jedburgh is "The South".
    I was a Northern Tory.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Has this been covered? Doesn’t seem to be on 538... is Nate losing his touch??

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522718-biden-stretches-lead-over-trump-in-mich-wis-and-penn-poll

    I believe it's the YouGov polls there. UMad and YouGov do joint polling iirc.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364

    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    It is not tracking overall numbers that matters it's tracking age related numbers that matters.

    If you have 1000 cases of which 990 are Uni students that is less concerning than having 700 cases of which 200 are elderly.

    A common trend seems to be that numbers are going down from the student peak but as it's spreading in the community the numbers in the older profiles are going up.
    Incidentally - Nottingham vs Liverpool numbers, specimen date, scaled to 100K population. Yes, the last few days are incomplete

    image
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    International travel is the most interesting one there because it is very obviously the source of the virus in an island nation so restrictions are necessary but it also seems as though once it's here other measures are better at controlling it.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I have a fiver on Biden in Montana because I have money to burn.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    OnboardG1 said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    To the average Tory, anything North of Watford Gap is the North. To us solemn Covenanters anything south of Jedburgh is "The South".
    I was a Northern Tory.
    Was is load-bearing in that sentence!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited October 2020
    OnboardG1 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    To the average Tory, anything North of Watford Gap is the North. To us solemn Covenanters anything south of Jedburgh is "The South".
    I was a Northern Tory.
    Was is load-bearing in that sentence!
    I'm still a Northerner and a Conservative, that will never change.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    MaxPB said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    International travel is the most interesting one there because it is very obviously the source of the virus in an island nation so restrictions are necessary but it also seems as though once it's here other measures are better at controlling it.
    Yeah if you're in a low COVID state you absolutely should not allow international travel without quarantine. The Taiwanese, Aussies, South Koreans, Kiwis and Vietnamese proved that. Devi Sridhar was bang on that we'd pay for our summer holidays with winter lockdowns.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    IshmaelZ said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Is there more than one Newcastle?
    Yes, there's one populated with Geordies and Mackems in the North East, and then there's one that's practically part of Stoke.

    There's also a Newcastle in Australia.
    And one in Northern Ireland.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364
    MaxPB said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    International travel is the most interesting one there because it is very obviously the source of the virus in an island nation so restrictions are necessary but it also seems as though once it's here other measures are better at controlling it.
    But international travel was one where everyone was saying "common sense"......
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,131
    The Yougov Model 2016 had it Hillary 348 EC votes Trump 190 EC votes in October 2016, so only a fractional swing to Biden since then
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/10/04/yougov-model-state-2016-election
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Is there more than one Newcastle?
    Yes, there's one populated with Geordies and Mackems in the North East, and then there's one that's practically part of Stoke.

    There's also a Newcastle in Australia.
    I was joking. I'm Lancastrian by birth. I was just thinking that was porobably the genuine response of many or most southerners.
  • Phil Hammond wasn't likely to become PM unlike Sunak.
    Also, Shenfield High School and understandable businesses is different to Winchester College Goldmans and Hedge Funds.

    Talented as Rishi is, he may not be the right person to front painful book-balancing, should that become necessary.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Roy_G_Biv said:


    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain

    Hard disagree. I've been to Basildon.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    edited October 2020
    HYUFD said:
    Jared is writing himself in and Ivanka is voting for the Libertarian.

    EDIT: Also... my god that face on Trump. It looks like someone melted Kermit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,697
    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    The most interesting ones there are bans on gatherings >10 people and internal movement limits. It looks like introducing the bans has no effect, but lifting them does have a negative effect. It's as if it simply creates a pent up desire for hedonism.
  • Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
  • Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    If schools are a key effect, then a good week may be coming over the horizon. Actually, some areas had half term last week; I wonder if the effect will be big enough to show up in the overall stats?

    And if it turns out that we can solve the Covid problem by closing schools, what the hell do we do?

    (Disclaimer: I am a teacher, currently resting, as actors put it. And quite relieved about that...)
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    OnboardG1 said:

    HYUFD said:
    Jared is writing himself in and Ivanka is voting for the Libertarian.

    EDIT: Also... my god that face on Trump. It looks like someone melted Kermit.
    They do seem to be grinning behind Trump's back.
  • Alistair said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I have a fiver on Biden in Montana because I have money to burn.
    I'm still trying to work out why I backed the Dems in Arkanas.

    Lockdown madness?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,080

    On that YouGov model, applying a uniform swing, Biden needs to win the popular vote by no more than 2.1% to win the electoral college (by gaining WI, MI and PE).

    YouGov have Biden 8.5% ahead in the popular vote, and 538 have an average Democratic lead of 9.2%. Votes cast already are not far short of half the total 2016 votes cast.

    For Trump to win now requires a systematic polling failure several times the scale of what occured in 2016 in addition to a late swing several times the scale of what occured in 2016.

    And in reality Trump is still going backwards... We are in landslide territory and only a truly astonishing level of voter suppression, miscounting and plain and obvious cheating is going to change that.

    Possible, of course, but outside some Hollywood conspracy movie the chances of a Trump victory are evaporating with every early vote cast.
  • Roy_G_BivRoy_G_Biv Posts: 998
    edited October 2020

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
    Yes to both.
    EDIT: actually, I spent a very pleasant Christmas in Southend.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,315
    For @MaxPB fpt:-

    “On Sunak, I'm also not sure that it's fair to criticise him for working at the fund that pointed out the RBS/ABN deal was shit on stick. If anything had the politicians listened RBS may not have emptied out its cash reserved on buying a negative value bank.“

    This is so far from the actual facts of what went on as to be a complete fairy story. The true facts around that deal and TCI’s role in it has not been told. Believe me, I know.

    And if it did come out .... well we would not be talking about TCI’s brilliance or, indeed, the brilliance of anyone working there.
  • Carnyx said:

    Stocky said:

    Fish and chips for tea, yum.

    Yum indeed. Cod or haddock?
    Salmon - but NOT deep fried!

    Best I ever had was a Daystar Indian Cultural Center in Discovery Park, Seattle. One of the guys cooking the salmon was the late Bernie Whitebear, who was a genuine legend in his own time in these parts.

    ". . . Whitebear became deeply involved in a movement for Seattle Indians to acquire a share of the land to be declared surplus at Fort Lawton, as the government downsized this army post. The group was influenced by the Indians of All Tribes (IAT), a mostly student group of activists who had occupied Alcatraz Island, site of a federal prison, in San Francisco Bay. Initially, the Seattle movement called themselves Kinatechitapi, Blackfoot for "All Indians". Their first efforts to open discussions with the City of Seattle in advance of the turnover of the land failed. . . .

    On March 8, 1970, Whitebear was among the leaders of about 100 "Native Americans and sympathizers" who confronted military police in riot gear at the fort. The MPs ejected them from the fort, but they were able to establish an encampment outside the fort. Organizing as the United Indians of All Tribes Foundation (UIATF), they used tactics ranging from politicking to occupation of land to celebrity appearances. Some of the key politicking came at the federal level: UIATF, like the City, filed to directly acquire land that the federal government was releasing, and the federal government ultimately insisted that the two come up with a joint plan. Negotiations, confrontation and even a Congressional intervention combined in November 1971 to give them a 99-year lease on 20 acres (81,000 m²) in what would become Seattle's Discovery Park, with options for renewal without renegotiation. In addition, the City gave $600,000 to the American Indian Women' Service League for a social services center."


    Twenty acres and $600k sound mighty reasonable, considering that ALL of Washington State - and the United States was at best bought WAY cheap and at worst (and usual) simply stolen from Native Americans.

    Of course if you pooh-pooh that, then consider this: by treaties between United States and local Indian tribes in 1850s, Native Americans were granted their customary fishing rights "in perpetuity". Which of course were curtailed, restricted, ignored over the next century - rights worth MILLIONS of dollars. Wasn't until 1970s that this gross injustice (to the Indians) and disgrace (to the United States) was rectified by federal court (Boldt decision).

    Admittedly a bit removed from Brexit!
  • IshmaelZ said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Is there more than one Newcastle?
    Yes, there's one populated with Geordies and Mackems in the North East, and then there's one that's practically part of Stoke.

    There's also a Newcastle in Australia.
    Don't forget beautiful Newcastle in Northern Ireland
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Andy_JS said:

    538 have just reduced Biden's projected lead in PA from 5.5% to 5.1%. Was 5.9% a few days ago.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/

    At this rate Trump might close the deficit by Biden's inauguration day.
    Reminds me of when Obama said "At least I will have been President of the United States" to Trump in a mic drop stylee around 2014-15
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    IshmaelZ said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Is there more than one Newcastle?
    Yes, there's one populated with Geordies and Mackems in the North East, and then there's one that's practically part of Stoke.

    There's also a Newcastle in Australia.
    And one in Northern Ireland.
    9 in the US (and plenty more New Castles): CA, ME, NE, OH, OK, TX, UT, WA, WY
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,131
    edited October 2020

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
    Some of us live in Essex, it is close to the sea and London and has some beautiful countryside including where Alistair Meeks lives and Epping is one of the best places to live in the UK according to the Sunday Times

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/epping-essex-best-places-to-live-in-the-uk-2020-896qpw3r0
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,335
    I'll take a punt:

    1. Biden's national vote share will end up 5-7 ahead of Trump. Any variation on that is more likely to be upside for Biden than downside and I will take a view that the damage will be done due to non turn out for the republicans which could absolutely throw the GOP off the cliff.

    2. Texas will still go GOP despite the talk

    3. The value on Georgia being the state won by the smallest margin is worth considering







  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209
    MaxPB said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    International travel is the most interesting one there because it is very obviously the source of the virus in an island nation so restrictions are necessary but it also seems as though once it's here other measures are better at controlling it.
    I think that's right: if the virus is under control, then it's really important. If it's out of control, it's irrelevant relative to domestic infections.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Alistair said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I have a fiver on Biden in Montana because I have money to burn.
    I'm still trying to work out why I backed the Dems in Arkanas.

    Lockdown madness?
    You think it is 1992?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Alistair said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I have a fiver on Biden in Montana because I have money to burn.
    I'm still trying to work out why I backed the Dems in Arkanas.

    Lockdown madness?
    Probably something I posted, when there was a poll showing Biden down by just 2.
  • HYUFD said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
    Some of us live in Essex, it is close to the sea and London and has some beautiful countryside including where Alistair Meeks lives and Epping is one of the best places to live in the UK according to the Sunday Times

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/epping-essex-best-places-to-live-in-the-uk-2020-896qpw3r0
    You all have my pity, especially the house prices you have to pay.

    Now this is my part of the world.

    Why everyone now wants to buy a house in Yorkshire

    It’s officially a property hotspot, but what are buyers hoping to find and how much will it cost them?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-everyone-now-wants-to-buy-a-house-in-yorkshire-llc35kjhr

    Harrogate named best place in UK to work from home

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harrogate-named-best-place-in-uk-to-work-from-home-wp3hnbkcv
  • TimT said:

    Alistair said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    It's going to be that sort of a thread isn't it?

    Yeah, hugely biased based on nothing but the overwhelming preponderance of the betting and polling markets and not a single word about Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar Trafalgar.

    What is a more interesting and longer odds bet on Biden, than just betting on Biden? A state? ECV? Vote share? Anybody?
    I have a fiver on Biden in Montana because I have money to burn.
    I'm still trying to work out why I backed the Dems in Arkanas.

    Lockdown madness?
    Probably something I posted, when there was a poll showing Biden down by just 2.
    That explains it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209

    MaxPB said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    Nigelb said:
    Woah, there are some pretty eye-opening data there!
    International travel = meaningless
    Public transport closure = nearly meaningless
    Closing workplaces = meaningful
    Closing schools = significantly meaningful

    No causal links claimed, but a few narratives come to mind, such as
    - prolonged indoor exposure is utterly key
    - the psychological effect of work and/or schools closing makes people more conscious of distancing and hygiene
    - being stuck on a plane for a few hours might not be a death sentence

    Great find, thanks for posting it.
    International travel is the most interesting one there because it is very obviously the source of the virus in an island nation so restrictions are necessary but it also seems as though once it's here other measures are better at controlling it.
    But international travel was one where everyone was saying "common sense"......
    To be fair, it's complicated.

    If you lift international travel restrictions when the virus is rampant abroad, it's on thing. If you lift them when it's subdued, it's another.

    Also, volume of international travel in most places is down in most places irrespective of bans.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766

    Nottingham and surrounding areas into Tier 3.

    Nottingham numbers have been falling for days and days. High point was 8th October for God's sake.

    Surrounding areas - numbers have plateaued.

    Ludicrous.

    It is not tracking overall numbers that matters it's tracking age related numbers that matters.

    If you have 1000 cases of which 990 are Uni students that is less concerning than having 700 cases of which 200 are elderly.

    A common trend seems to be that numbers are going down from the student peak but as it's spreading in the community the numbers in the older profiles are going up.
    Incidentally - Nottingham vs Liverpool numbers, specimen date, scaled to 100K population. Yes, the last few days are incomplete

    image
    The hospitalisation data is not good for Nottingham I admit, now I've dug it out. 194 beds in the two main city hospitals (up to 18th). I have no idea whether that is near any kind of capacity, but it is one of the highest in UK at moment.

    It did flat line at ≈ 162 mark for several days before the 18th.

  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    I'm really appreciating CNN coverage at the moment. Nice little piece below on the current state of campaigning. Joe Biden will be in Georgia tomorrow, which should tell you something. In fact, there's an interesting piece on where the two campaigns are spending their Top 5 money. The Republicans are in defence and the Democrats are on offence. This was (another) of the many signs in the 2019 UK General Election: the tories were fighting on ground previously out of their reach.

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/10/25/trump-biden-electoral-map-magic-wall-john-king-ip-vpx.cnn

    Anyone currently betting on Trump is doing so predominantly for either or both of nostalgia (2016) or personal preference.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    HYUFD said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
    Some of us live in Essex, it is close to the sea and London and has some beautiful countryside including where Alistair Meeks lives and Epping is one of the best places to live in the UK according to the Sunday Times

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/epping-essex-best-places-to-live-in-the-uk-2020-896qpw3r0
    You all have my pity, especially the house prices you have to pay.

    Now this is my part of the world.

    Why everyone now wants to buy a house in Yorkshire

    It’s officially a property hotspot, but what are buyers hoping to find and how much will it cost them?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-everyone-now-wants-to-buy-a-house-in-yorkshire-llc35kjhr

    Harrogate named best place in UK to work from home

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harrogate-named-best-place-in-uk-to-work-from-home-wp3hnbkcv
    If I were you I wouldn't have posted that.

    Also: Devon is a miserable shithole where it rains 367 days a year, dial-up broadband is available by special arrangement only in a few favoured areas and property prices are plummeting faster than a paralysed falcon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,131
    edited October 2020

    HYUFD said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
    Some of us live in Essex, it is close to the sea and London and has some beautiful countryside including where Alistair Meeks lives and Epping is one of the best places to live in the UK according to the Sunday Times

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/epping-essex-best-places-to-live-in-the-uk-2020-896qpw3r0
    You all have my pity, especially the house prices you have to pay.

    Now this is my part of the world.

    Why everyone now wants to buy a house in Yorkshire

    It’s officially a property hotspot, but what are buyers hoping to find and how much will it cost them?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-everyone-now-wants-to-buy-a-house-in-yorkshire-llc35kjhr

    Harrogate named best place in UK to work from home

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harrogate-named-best-place-in-uk-to-work-from-home-wp3hnbkcv
    I would rather live in Harrogate or the Yorkshire Dales than Basildon I will give you that
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    HYUFD said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    And who is the first signatory after Jake Berry.... ?
    In which universe is Newcastle-under-Lyme in the North?

    #BloodyMidlandersWishingTheyWereNorthernersAgain
    Pineapple on pizza is brilliant
    It's Shrewsbury like shrew, not like shrow
    Yes, the plane would take off
    The dress is blue and black, not gold
    You have a two-thirds chance of winning if you switch to the other door
    The North of England is easily the worst bit of Britain
    BIB.

    Nah, you've never been to (the arse end of) Glasgow or any part of Essex i take it?
    Some of us live in Essex, it is close to the sea and London and has some beautiful countryside including where Alistair Meeks lives and Epping is one of the best places to live in the UK according to the Sunday Times

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/epping-essex-best-places-to-live-in-the-uk-2020-896qpw3r0
    You all have my pity, especially the house prices you have to pay.

    Now this is my part of the world.

    Why everyone now wants to buy a house in Yorkshire

    It’s officially a property hotspot, but what are buyers hoping to find and how much will it cost them?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-everyone-now-wants-to-buy-a-house-in-yorkshire-llc35kjhr

    Harrogate named best place in UK to work from home

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harrogate-named-best-place-in-uk-to-work-from-home-wp3hnbkcv
    My great aunt used to live near Harrogate. Wonderful town. Actually, she lived just outside Ripon and bought my grandmother a cottage in Littlethorpe. Only visited one summer (1972 - I remember Valerie Borzov winning the 100m), but I remember having a great time and I particularly enjoyed the visits to Harrogate, in particular Farrah's Harrogate Toffee
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    So just to flesh out my below comments, The Republicans top 5 spending is in:

    1. Florida
    2. North Carolina
    3. Pennsylvania
    4. Arizona
    5. Georgia

    In other words: those are ALL states Trump won last time.

    The Democrats top 5 spending is in:

    1. Florida
    2. Pennsylvania
    3. North Carolina
    4. Michigan
    5. Arizona

    Furthermore, the amount of funds available now to the two camps is:

    $162m for Biden vs $43.6m for Trump
    plus
    $311m Democrat Committees vs $223m Republicans.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,131
    edited October 2020
    So we have 1 pollster today giving a 12 point Biden lead and 1 pollster giving a 1 point Trump lead, at least you can say there is no herding yet
  • Crikey indeed, but high for my liking so putting that one away for now as an outlier...just
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