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Hollow Men – the sidelining of parliament during the biggest health/economic crisis in modern times

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  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    Why wouldnt it be valid for federal crimes? Even a self pardon might be enforceable. AIUI state crimes would still be open so exile might be his best option.
    Is it enforceable as part of what amounts to a plea bargain? That’s my question.

    It might well be. After all, American ‘justice’ is a relative term.
    Wouldnt the issue be that there are loads of prosecutors who could find something illegal he has done? So even if NY and federal are covered is that sufficient? It is obviously better than nothing though so quite likely to happen imo.
  • RobD said:

    Trump live on Sky

    Chants 'four more years'

    He's tempered his ambitions a bit.
    I may have worded that incorrectly, the crowd were chanting four more years
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    You're also making the mistake of equating SNP = independence. The Greens are also pro indy. On that projection it's 77 for indy and 52 for Union - a fair margin. You'd need the SNP + Greens to lose 13 seatys.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    Why wouldnt it be valid for federal crimes? Even a self pardon might be enforceable. AIUI state crimes would still be open so exile might be his best option.
    Is it enforceable as part of what amounts to a plea bargain? That’s my question.

    It might well be. After all, American ‘justice’ is a relative term.
    Remember the American 'justice' system is systemically biased against poor people then the man who only paid $750 in tax in 2016 is more buggered than a turtle on its back.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,687
    guybrush said:

    guybrush said:

    Roger said:

    MaxPB said:

    Yorkcity said:

    DavidL said:

    Yorkcity said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Outstanding piece.

    Hear hear, but then Cyclefree’s headers are always outstanding.

    Sadly though, none of what she outlines is in any way surprising. Parliaments have been becoming more and more supine over the last seventy years, and the empty suits left behind are the logical culmination of the lobby fodder tendency.
    And that point rather undermines the force of @Cyclefree's clarion cry for freedom, liberty and the rule of law. If Parliament is given a vote what are they likely to do with it? This is not the dog days of the May fiasco where the government had no kind of a grip over Parliament and could not get its way. Boris has a majority of 80. He has enough lick spittle, greasy poll climbers to win. Some want to make a noise but it will be a tale of sound and fury signifying nothing.

    Which actually makes it all the more remarkable that Boris and Hancock have not had the votes really. Labour would probably abstain under SKS's dynamic leadership and any minor revolt would be readily put down.
    Part of the problem is the idea that the government must always win. Failure is actually good for organisations.

    What banking needs, for example, is more bank failures. If you screw up, your bank goes bust. The Bank of England calls everyone in, and the rescue is divided up. Instead we have mega banks that cannot possibly fail.

    We were discussing audit the other day - if something dodgy in the accounts is presented in public, it;'s a disaster. So minor problems are carpeted over until the day the shit hits the fan - and everyones get covered.

    In parliament, a single defeat is The End of The Government. So, not surprisingly, great efforts are made to ensure that the lobby fodder behaves. All the time. So, you end up with the optimum state for a government - a large number of employees.
    I understand the theory but the chaos of the do nothing remainer Parliament is a dark shadow of despair and indecision. Having a government that can actually govern still has a novelty factor to it.
    I agree the voters wanted a government that could govern and get Brexit done.
    They in their wisdom thought that that was the main priority over any other policy.
    Any government with an 80 to 100 majority in essence is an elected dictatorship in this country.
    Agreed but a constructive and engaged opposition can still make a difference and sharpen the thinking of those in office. Not much chance of that under Corbyn of course but I honestly expected SKS to be better.
    Hard to make a difference when the government has just obtained a 80 seat majority and a world wide pandemic is ongoing .Then the new PM gets very ill with the virus, in its honeymoon period.
    However I would argue SKS has done a good job in opposition taking initial steps to get voters to take another look at them under new leadership.From where they were in the polls to now is encouraging.
    That 80 seat majority is extremely brittle. Boris is loathed by a large part of the parliamentary party, he's made loads of unnecessary enemies over keeping the c*** in place and now his high handed way of ruling over the party has riled up northern MPs. Even Tory party support is a mile wide and an inch deep at the moment. A better opposition party would be trouncing Boris, all of the supplementals are dire, the heading in the right/wrong direction is horrific for the party.
    I genuinely don’t think anyone else in Labour would be doing any better
    Than Boris? I agree.
    Keir would obviously do a better job than Johnson. Johnson has been the worst PM of the last 100 years.
    Can we forget about Thatcher so soon?
    She may not have been likeable to many, but she most definitely a leader. Bozo the Clown may likeable to many, but anyone can see he has zero leadership qualities.
    He's infinitely a better leader than May was. Hence why he was able to lead the Party in a General Election and able to lead the UK out of the EU.

    But you're so besotten by the EU that you can't accept any variance.
    Your rose tinted spectacles really suit you!
    Johnson has fought 4 elections and won them all, including not just the landslide General Election but he led the Leave campaign too. The idea he lacks leadership qualities is absurd. He's one of the most successful politicians of his generation.
    But what's he actually done with all those wins? He was London Mayor for 8 years. What's the thing that was his idea (which rules out the bikes and the Olympics) that he carried through on and bequeathed to a grateful city?

    Because without that, why is he bothering to get his name on the honours board?
    Erm... the new Routemaster?

    I guess the one thing you can say about his premiership is he kept the show on the road, shielding London through the worst of austerity, delivering the Olympics and keeping investment into transport flowing. This was through keeping decent relations with the Government (being in the same party helped massively) and effective delegation.

    Many cuts to Fire, Policing, and TfL have come on Sadiq's watch, some self enforced (fare cut), some which were out of his control (loss of TfL gmt grant). However overdue and necessary they might be, it doesn't look great for a Labour mayor.
    Keeping investment into transport flowing? One of his first acts as mayor was to cancel a planned river crossing to the east, as a result of which every time something happens in the Blackwall tunnel the whole of SE London gets gridlocked. And then he spaffed tens of millions up the wall on the ultimate luvvie vanity project of the Garden Bridge instead. He was a fucking disastrous mayor.
    He could have done better of course. Many poor decisions were made. But Crossrail was protected (I don't think this was a certainty), as well as various tube upgrades.

    I mention the Routemaster in an ironic sense, an intrinsically flawed concept given contemporary H&S laws given a funky aesthetic by one of his luvvie designers.
    Actually construction had started before the 2010 election and both Labour and the Tories had finishing the project in their manifestos, so I don't think Johnson had much to do with Crossrail.
    The buses look nice from the outside, thus revealing that Johnson's main interest in buses is what they look like for people who don't travel by bus.
    People who observed his tenure in City Hall up close all tell the same story: he had no real interest in London and left his deputies to do all the work. It was all just a stepping stone to ever greater power.
  • rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    IIRC Pence can't pardon state level crimes, and I'm sure Cuomo would be happy to look at Trump's crimes for many years.
    The Department of Justice seems to agree with you:

    https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

    So if he does resign, is pardoned, and is then prosecuted, the irony would be delicious.
    Hence the suggestion in the Tweet about the NY Prosecutor dismissing charges. (Presumably if they were dismissed with prejudice, them they would not be able to be refiled.)
    It makes no sense. Why would the NY prosecutor want to back off? And even if that did happen, and even if it were binding on possible future cases in NY, there are plenty of other states where Trump has operated.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,898

    Is the chap on the left meant to be

    1) Chris Witty
    2) Dom Cummings
    3) Somebody else? If so, who?

    https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1314984255160713217

    He looks like a slimmed down IDS.

    But I am guessing Whitty.
    Nah, has to be Cummings.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    Why wouldnt it be valid for federal crimes? Even a self pardon might be enforceable. AIUI state crimes would still be open so exile might be his best option.
    Is it enforceable as part of what amounts to a plea bargain? That’s my question.

    It might well be. After all, American ‘justice’ is a relative term.
    Remember the American 'justice' system is systemically biased against poor people then the man who only paid $750 in tax in 2016 is more buggered than a turtle on its back.
    You’re clearly still sore about that comment I made on David’s article, aren’t you?
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,017
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    From 2017 to 2019 when we had a hung parliament, parliament effectively ran the country, May was the weakest PM for decades.

    No surprise now the Tories have a majority of 80 we have a much stronger executive as a result and Boris is more able to deliver firm action

    The best description of the 2017-19 Parliament arguably comes from Elliot's The Hollow Men:

    Shape without form, shade without colour,
    Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

    Pretty much sums it up to me.
    People in this country have no idea how representative democracy is supposed to work. It's more annoying when it comes from people who should know better, like yourself.

    Are you seriously suggesting that a decent Tory leader couldn't have reached out across parliament and found a consensus for honouring the abysmal referendum and not shitting the bed too much? Like a Norway for 10 years (com)promise?

    Tories (and Labour) want and expect absolute power, and struggle to function as representatives without it.

    Aided and abetted by the likes of you.

    Well this shitshow is what you wanted. Lap it up.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    RobD said:

    Trump live on Sky

    Chants 'four more years'

    He's tempered his ambitions a bit.
    I may have worded that incorrectly, the crowd were chanting four more years
    Four years seems an incredibly short sentence for (alleged) money laundering and racketeering.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    Why wouldnt it be valid for federal crimes? Even a self pardon might be enforceable. AIUI state crimes would still be open so exile might be his best option.
    Is it enforceable as part of what amounts to a plea bargain? That’s my question.

    It might well be. After all, American ‘justice’ is a relative term.
    Remember the American 'justice' system is systemically biased against poor people then the man who only paid $750 in tax in 2016 is more buggered than a turtle on its back.
    You’re clearly still sore about that comment I made on David’s article, aren’t you?
    Yes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    edited October 2020
    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,924

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    IIRC Pence can't pardon state level crimes, and I'm sure Cuomo would be happy to look at Trump's crimes for many years.
    The Department of Justice seems to agree with you:

    https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

    So if he does resign, is pardoned, and is then prosecuted, the irony would be delicious.
    Hence the suggestion in the Tweet about the NY Prosecutor dismissing charges. (Presumably if they were dismissed with prejudice, them they would not be able to be refiled.)
    It makes no sense. Why would the NY prosecutor want to back off? And even if that did happen, and even if it were binding on possible future cases in NY, there are plenty of other states where Trump has operated.
    AFAIUI, the SDNY cases relate to tax, and in particular the transference of the assets of the Fred Trump empire to Donald without taxes. It is therefore an order of magnitude more serious to the President than any other investigations.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2020
    So the contents of the trump speech is basically, "I have seen I have got some swing to me from black and Latino voters and I will now try and cement it"
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,017


    Imagine a world in which the government proposes some legislation. It may or may not go through Parliament. If it doesn't - well, that's democracy. Everyone cheers.

    You do realise this is quite common in countries with less useless electoral systems?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    If I could be so bold as to offer the lovely Meghan some advice. Wear a seat belt!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Remember that the SDNY is a federal office, not a state one.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    HYUFD said:

    If that was true there would be no lockdown in northern areas
    Rather like the "Thatcher didn't care about football fans"

    If she didn't care, then mandating the owners had to rebuild their death traps wouldn't have happened. Or the extensive policing of football matches which costs a fortune (partially funded by the clubs, true).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Been a small but noticeable shift in the markets towards Biden today.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
    That sounds like Buck House pleading the Lord Astor defence. (Courtesy of MRD)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209
    guybrush said:

    malcolmg said:

    guybrush said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Bad day in Scotland re covid deaths but given on here we always hear that it is only over 80's that are at risk , these seem strange.
    The location of the 6 new deaths today are:

    - 2 in East Ayrshire
    - 1 in East Renfrewshire
    - 2 in Glasgow
    - 1 in North Lanarkshire

    and the ages are:

    - 1 in the 25-44 range
    - 1 in the 45-64 range
    - 2 in the 65-74 range
    - 2 in the 75-84 range

    Errrmmm try a similar sub section with party polling and you would get rightly challenged on here . Somehow maths doesn't matter when Covid-19 arguments come out though.
    What you wittering about you halfwit, I am merely pointing out that counter to the mince posted by some selfish halfwits on here it is not only over 80's are dying , subsample or not.
    Malcolm, I don't think anyone's saying that. If you look at the stats (rather than a small sample from one day), the risk is clearly weighted towards those 70+ and with existing conditions.
    I understand that but I was just pointing out that it is not only over 80's at risk.
    Obviously any age with underlying health issues are also at risk. Some people on here are very cavalier re taking precautions as it is only old codgers at risk, whining and whinging because young people cannot go to the pub etc.
    I wouldn't condone whinging about not going to the pub (I don't drink, fwiw). But I think there is a discussion to be had about the costs of lockdown (economic, and social - the complete destruction of everyday life beyond all recognition), which fall disproportionately on the young - whereas the risks fall mainly on older age groups. The discrepancy between death rates between age groups is quite stark - my parents who are in their sixties were surprised how good their odds were - which I put down to media hype (some may say scaremongering).

    Obviously the answer, at the moment is somewhere between business as usual and locking everything down hard and shuttering the economy. I'm not really seeing the nuanced debate. A lot of people seem to be suggesting we can eliminate all Covid related risk, which obviously isn't possible and ignores the secondary affects of lockdown. Which affect both young and old, of course.
    Agree, they have had over 6 months to come up with a plan that covers both options and all they have done is line their chums pockets , run about like headless chickens, make an arse of things and line their chums pockets some more
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency seats and reducing any list compensation but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for SLab if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Losers
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,924
    Alistair said:

    Remember that the SDNY is a federal office, not a state one.

    So it is...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Would such a pardon be enforceable? Even if this story is true, which seems a bit unlikely.
    Why wouldnt it be valid for federal crimes? Even a self pardon might be enforceable. AIUI state crimes would still be open so exile might be his best option.
    Is it enforceable as part of what amounts to a plea bargain? That’s my question.

    It might well be. After all, American ‘justice’ is a relative term.
    Remember the American 'justice' system is systemically biased against poor people then the man who only paid $750 in tax in 2016 is more buggered than a turtle on its back.
    You’re clearly still sore about that comment I made on David’s article, aren’t you?
    Yes.
    Well, I think you took your crown back with that one.

    You must admit though, it was a brilliant opening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    She abandoned her royal duties after a vast taxpayer funded wedding to go and live in a $10 million mansion in California with her husband charging hundreds of thousands of dollars a time for speeches, I have zero sympathy, there are always a few snooty courtiers
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
  • Alistair said:
    I was going to say...that jewish news twitter handle doesn't even have a proper website, it just goes to a dodgy looking. facebook page.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Scott_xP said:
    An article absolutely on topic.

    This Government aren't just incompetent, they are positively malign.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2020

    Alistair said:
    I was going to say...that jewish news twitter handle doesn't even have a proper website, it just goes to a dodgy looking. facebook page.
    John Cooper has posted some absolute nonsense over the last month. As the bloke says it is pure fanfic nonsense.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    You're also making the mistake of equating SNP = independence. The Greens are also pro indy. On that projection it's 77 for indy and 52 for Union - a fair margin. You'd need the SNP + Greens to lose 13 seatys.
    Very doable, if the SNP lose 9 constituency seats from that projection (which they would if SLab gain 6 and hold 3 rather than their projected 0 seats) it only needs SCons and SLDs to win 2 constituencies each or Galloway's Party to win a handful of seats at the Greens expense and there is your Unionist majority
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    She abandoned her royal duties after a vast taxpayer funded wedding to go and live in a $10 million mansion in California with her husband charging hundreds of thousands of dollars a time for speeches, I have zero sympathy, there are always a few snooty courtiers
    I would suggest the miscreant is a little more senior than a snooty courtier.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    RobD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
    So was the Duchess of Windsor Wallace Simpson, who spent most of her time with the Duke of Windsor in exile in Paris and the south of France much as the Sussexes are in exile in California
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
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  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,800
    HYUFD said:


    Very doable, if the SNP lose 9 constituency seats from that projection (which they would if SLab gain 6 and hold 3 rather than their projected 0 seats) it only needs SCons and SLDs to win 2 constituencies each or Galloway's Party to win a handful of seats at the Greens expense and there is your Unionist majority

    Presumably the line is still that IF Labour win more seats than the Conservatives but there are enough seats for a Unionist majority at Holyrood, the Conservatives should support a Labour FM.

    To go a step further, would you advocate Conservatives holding a proportional number of Cabinet positions - say five along with perhaps one LD and five Labour under the Labour FM?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    edited October 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,982
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency seats and reducing any list compensation but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for SLab if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    IF x IF x IF x possibly = SNP failure! That’s a stretch, even for you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273
    edited October 2020
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Very doable, if the SNP lose 9 constituency seats from that projection (which they would if SLab gain 6 and hold 3 rather than their projected 0 seats) it only needs SCons and SLDs to win 2 constituencies each or Galloway's Party to win a handful of seats at the Greens expense and there is your Unionist majority

    Presumably the line is still that IF Labour win more seats than the Conservatives but there are enough seats for a Unionist majority at Holyrood, the Conservatives should support a Labour FM.

    To go a step further, would you advocate Conservatives holding a proportional number of Cabinet positions - say five along with perhaps one LD and five Labour under the Labour FM?

    If the SNP win most seats then Sturgeon can remain as First Minister, just without the nationalist majority she needs for indyref2. The aim is to neuter Sturgeon, replacing her as FM is less important, though if Sturgeon sees a Unionist majority next year expect Salmond to be on the move and an SNP civil war in due course.
  • Looks like system failure at PHE counting the covid cases.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703
    edited October 2020
    HYUFD said:
    The ASA is as just about as sanctimonious as Andrew Adonis.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703
    edited October 2020
    Activity survey in the Construction Sector:

    Key findings from the FMB State of Trade Survey, the only survey of its kind to track the experience of small to medium-sized (SME) firms in the building industry, include:

    - 1 in 2 builders (47%) reported increased workloads in the summer months;
    - More than 2 in 5 (42%) predict higher workloads in the autumn;
    - More than three quarters (78%) of builders said they expect material costs to increase over the next two months;
    - Almost 1 in 5 (17%) SMEs is planning to increase the number of general labourers on site in the months ahead; and
    - Almost 1 in 5 (16%) SMEs is planning to increase the number of specialist tradespeople on site.

    https://www.propertytribes.com/skip-index-builders-report-busy-summer-t-127649304.html

    I need to order a new UPVC door to be inserted for a T, and this morning I am told that my regular supplier will need 2 months to deliver, and my regular fitter will not be able to do the job until after Christmas.

    When the budget comes around, Dishy Rishi will do a further GHG package because the work is there and needs to be done.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Mango said:


    Imagine a world in which the government proposes some legislation. It may or may not go through Parliament. If it doesn't - well, that's democracy. Everyone cheers.

    You do realise this is quite common in countries with less useless electoral systems?
    It's not the electoral system that is the issue. It is the political culture - not just the politicians - the press and public are part of it to.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    You're also making the mistake of equating SNP = independence. The Greens are also pro indy. On that projection it's 77 for indy and 52 for Union - a fair margin. You'd need the SNP + Greens to lose 13 seatys.
    Very doable, if the SNP lose 9 constituency seats from that projection (which they would if SLab gain 6 and hold 3 rather than their projected 0 seats) it only needs SCons and SLDs to win 2 constituencies each or Galloway's Party to win a handful of seats at the Greens expense and there is your Unionist majority
    If Labour is now at 18% for Holyrood elections, I would expect the party to poll 22% - 25% at a Westminster election.
  • Opinium has another tie
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 257
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Opinium has the parties back level pegging at 40%. LDs on 6% Greens on 3%.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
    Scotland is as good as gone! Their bags are packed and in the hotel foyer, they are simply waiting for the taxi that the concierge has alresdy called.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,273

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
    Scotland is as good as gone! Their bags are packed and in the hotel foyer, they are simply waiting for the taxi that the concierge has alresdy called.
    Rubbish, Scotland voted 62% Remain, if that was true post Brexit Yes should be on 62%.

    It is still well below that
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    Looks like system failure at PHE counting the covid cases.

    Run out of fingers and toes this time?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
    Scotland is as good as gone! Their bags are packed and in the hotel foyer, they are simply waiting for the taxi that the concierge has alresdy called.
    But is it the Hotel California?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
    Scotland is as good as gone! Their bags are packed and in the hotel foyer, they are simply waiting for the taxi that the concierge has alresdy called.
    Not so. 53% - 47% is a far from decisive margin - particularly when it relates to an extended period of daily party political coverage for Nicola Sturgeon. It is also unclear from the Holyrood poll that the SNP will win a majority there next May.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    edited October 2020
    RobD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
    So either racist or anti-American? Or both?

    Glad we’ve established there’s a bigot at the palace.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    RobD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
    So either racist or anti-American? Or both?

    Glad we’ve established there’s a bigot at the palace.
    Only one?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    RobD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
    So either racist or anti-American? Or both?

    Glad we’ve established there’s a bigot at the palace.
    More that Americans in the royal family do not have a good track record.
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
    Scotland is as good as gone! Their bags are packed and in the hotel foyer, they are simply waiting for the taxi that the concierge has alresdy called.
    But is it the Hotel California?
    Not any more. They have checked out, and the porter is helping them out to their taxi, and his name is Boris.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In 2016 the SNP got 47% on the constituency vote at Holyrood and 41% on the list so the SNP are now doing no better on the list vote than they did last time and only fractionally better on the constituency vote and unionist pacts can help defeat them on the latter
    The problem with Unionist pacts is that, for LD's it will be presented as going back to 2010, and by the Johnson and his friends as demonstrating an increase Conservative support.
    And for SLab going back to 2014 and the subsequent 2015 implosion. They're not going to touch it with HYUFD's thing let alone their own.
    SLab currently have exactly 3 Holyrood constituency seats, even fewer than the 7 the Tories have and the 4 the LDs have.

    If SLab are going to win back any more Holyrood constituencies from the SNP they will need Tory and LD tactical votes
    The DRoss-SKS pincer movement better start pincering.

    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1314975310945964032?s=20

    So the Tories are still winning most of their rural seats in Scotland, it is Labour who desperately need Tory tactical votes to win back seats in the central belt
    Tactical voting is pointless in list seats.
    In constituency seats it certainly is not, SLab lost 12 constituencies at Holyrood 2016, many with the SNP under 50% of the vote, Tory and LD tactical voting would win them back and likely deliver a Unionist majority in the process
    Trouble is that the list seat winning requirements then adjust to counterbalance that, to some degree.

    And if I were a Tory, would I want to vote for Richard Leonard? A real live trade unionist? [I personally have no objection to TUs - but your mob utterly hate them, beyond all sanity.]
    Only to a limited extent, if the SNP lost say 6 constituency seats to SLab and SLab held all their other constituency seats and the SNP also lost 1 or 2 seats like Moray to the Tories then they would likely only pick up 1 or 2 seats on the list at most as it would not be enough to stop the SNP comfortably winning a majority of constituency votes but could be enough for a narrow Unionist majority on the combined total of constituency and list MSPs.

    I suspect given what I have been hearing from some SCons they may even hold their nose and vote for Leonard if they live in the central belt and Tory on the list this time such is their loathing for the SNP
    Answer this for me: if Boris is going to ignore the SNP anyway, why does it matter if they get a majority or not?
    It is obviously easier if there is a Unionist majority as you don't have to refuse indyref2 anyway
    However you interpret the percentage vote, the independence train has already left the station, and Boris Johnson was the guard who blew the whistle.
    Rubbish, Yes got 45% of the vote in the independence referendum in 2014 even before the EU referendum, if Brexit really was decisive Yes would comfortably be polling well over 60%+ not just a few percent more than it got before Brexit
    Scotland is as good as gone! Their bags are packed and in the hotel foyer, they are simply waiting for the taxi that the concierge has alresdy called.
    Not so. 53% - 47% is a far from decisive margin - particularly when it relates to an extended period of daily party political coverage for Nicola Sturgeon. It is also unclear from the Holyrood poll that the SNP will win a majority there next May.
    Has anyone ever seen Hyufd and Justin together? #justasking
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Bless, you're reading way too much into sub MOE changes.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Bless, you're reading way too much into sub MOE changes.
    Are you saying labour shouldn't be ahead
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
    I think you misunderstimate the power of love.

    The power of love is a curious thing,
    Make a one man weep, make another man sing,
    Change a hawk to a little white dove,
    More than a feeling, that's the power of love.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
    I think you misunderstimate the power of love.

    The power of love is a curious thing,
    Make a one man weep, make another man sing,
    Change a hawk to a little white dove,
    More than a feeling, that's the power of love.
    Temporarily. Trust me on this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Paragraph 3. Do you think we (and in particular, the Government) can avoid the economic catastrophe on its way?
  • Is the chap on the left meant to be

    1) Chris Witty
    2) Dom Cummings
    3) Somebody else? If so, who?

    https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1314984255160713217

    He looks like a slimmed down IDS.

    But I am guessing Whitty.
    Well we're a long way behind compared to Whitty's prediction graph.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
    I think you misunderstimate the power of love.

    The power of love is a curious thing,
    Make a one man weep, make another man sing,
    Change a hawk to a little white dove,
    More than a feeling, that's the power of love.
    Temporarily. Trust me on this.
    Maybe.

    Remember, just because I love someone doesn't mean I like them.
  • Is the chap on the left meant to be

    1) Chris Witty
    2) Dom Cummings
    3) Somebody else? If so, who?

    https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1314984255160713217

    He looks like a slimmed down IDS.

    But I am guessing Whitty.
    Well we're a long way behind compared to Whitty's prediction graph.
    Except it wasn't a prediction, they said it was a projection if behaviour wasn't changed, behaviour has changed slightly.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    Isn't the problem that she's an American?
    So either racist or anti-American? Or both?

    Glad we’ve established there’s a bigot at the palace.
    More that Americans in the royal family do not have a good track record.
    Right, so on the basis of the tiny sample we have, we’ll hound all of them out. Enlightened attitude from the palace then.
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Paragraph 3. Do you think we (and in particular, the Government) can avoid the economic catastrophe on its way?
    Who knows.

    But there are going to be winners as well as losers and plenty who will receive little impact.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:
    The ASA is as just about as sanctimonious as Andrew Adonis.
    Doesn't this mean that OGH is a celebrity?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
    Its also possible that everyone involved is objectionable.
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Paragraph 3. Do you think we (and in particular, the Government) can avoid the economic catastrophe on its way?
    No - absolutely not

    But will labour be trusted more in this impending economic armageddon

    Answer that and you have the key to the next GE
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Bless, you're reading way too much into sub MOE changes.
    Are you saying labour shouldn't be ahead
    Yes and no.

    We're in a once a century pandemic event.

    Given how the leadership ratings/best PM scores are, Sir Keir will take that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:
    The ASA is as just about as sanctimonious as Andrew Adonis.
    Doesn't this mean that OGH is a celebrity?
    Although of course we all know the real measure of celebrity is the number of awesome puns somebody produces.
  • ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:
    The ASA is as just about as sanctimonious as Andrew Adonis.
    Doesn't this mean that OGH is a celebrity?
    Although of course we all know the real measure of celebrity is the number of awesome puns somebody produces.
    Q: What kind of music do wind turbines like?

    A: They're huge metal fans.
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Bless, you're reading way too much into sub MOE changes.
    When I say the same thing I get shouted down. Why do PB Tories not treat themselves the same I wonder
  • 15,166 new cases.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    HYUFD said:
    The 2021 Local Elections are huge for both leaders IMO
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:
    The ASA is as just about as sanctimonious as Andrew Adonis.
    Doesn't this mean that OGH is a celebrity?
    Although of course we all know the real measure of celebrity is the number of awesome puns somebody produces.
    Q: What kind of music do wind turbines like?

    A: They're huge metal fans.
    https://xkcd.com/1378/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Paragraph 3. Do you think we (and in particular, the Government) can avoid the economic catastrophe on its way?
    Who knows.

    But there are going to be winners as well as losers and plenty who will receive little impact.
    I am a natural pessimist, so I see what is coming down the line will hit more people hard than it will avoid.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    edited October 2020
    Q: Did you hear that the Egyptian tomb they opened this week was stuffed full of wafer, nuts, and chocolate?

    A: Archaeologists think it was Pharaoh Rocher.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320

    Q: Did you hear that the Egyptian tomb they opened this week was stuffed full of wafer, nuts, and chocolate?

    A: Archaeologists think it was Pharaoh Rocher.

    With these puns you are really spoiling us.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    IshmaelZ said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
    I think you misunderstimate the power of love.

    The power of love is a curious thing,
    Make a one man weep, make another man sing,
    Change a hawk to a little white dove,
    More than a feeling, that's the power of love.
    But there was this story in the Mail today, which I found interesting..

    https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825367/amp/Prince-Harry-face-telling-Queen-Palace-staff-told-prepare-return.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16023182198979&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825367/Prince-Harry-face-telling-Queen-Palace-staff-told-prepare-return.html

  • Q: Did you hear that the Egyptian tomb they opened this week was stuffed full of wafer, nuts, and chocolate?

    A: Archaeologists think it was Pharaoh Rocher.

    With these puns you are really spoiling us.
    If you want spoiling with food....

    I went to a cannibal restaurant last night.

    It was £25 a head.
  • Opinium has another tie

    The polls do seem to indicate a slight movement to the Conservatives and away from Labour

    It is quote extraordinary why Labour are not well ahead

    Reading this forum you would think the conservatives are consigned to defeat

    Maybe but far from convincing at present
    Paragraph 3. Do you think we (and in particular, the Government) can avoid the economic catastrophe on its way?
    Who knows.

    But there are going to be winners as well as losers and plenty who will receive little impact.
    I am a natural pessimist, so I see what is coming down the line will hit more people hard than it will avoid.
    Certainly possible.

    Much of the service sector will get the sort of shake up which manufacturing received in the 70s and 80s with varying levels of intensity and speed.
  • Did you hear about the two robbers who stole a calendar?

    They got six months each.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,080
    edited October 2020

    15,166 new cases.

    Today's rate of cases on the island of Ireland is quite a bit higher than on the island of Britain.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Disgusting.

    This is how they treat the only non white member of the Royal family, no wonder Meghan and Harry left the nasty family.

    https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1314994091676119040

    It seems possible she is objectionable in her own right, of course. Harry clearly wants to be shooting pheasant and drinking beer with his mates and going to army dinners in the UK. Best they just get the divorce in sooner than later, and everyone is happy.
    I think you misunderstimate the power of love.

    The power of love is a curious thing,
    Make a one man weep, make another man sing,
    Change a hawk to a little white dove,
    More than a feeling, that's the power of love.
    But there was this story in the Mail today, which I found interesting..

    https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825367/amp/Prince-Harry-face-telling-Queen-Palace-staff-told-prepare-return.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=16023182198979&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8825367/Prince-Harry-face-telling-Queen-Palace-staff-told-prepare-return.html

    Saw a similar story.
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