A lot of churn amongst London Boroughs though. Based on @Malmesbury's tables, Richmond has lost its headline-making lead and has dropped back behind Ealing and long-time leaders Redbridge.
What is driving the shift westwards? Students? The Bakerloo line?
It's not clear yet that university cases are being recorded correctly when they are done via P2 testing rather than by university labs. Most London universities are having their tests processed by the three major universities in the city (Imperial, UCL and Kings) so London student cases are added correctly to London boroughs. At P2 sites they are using whatever information is filled out by students and many of them are putting their home address as their actual home rather than their term time address. It's causing a lot of cases from universities that don't have the necessary laboratories being put into the wrong towns and cities, London is badly effected by this.
Not this fake news again... Ireland spent that much on the initial development costs of a basic app (which they have since spent more money on) based on the Apple / Google API.
And we know, nobodies app based on that API actually works very well.
The idiots thinking you can have a full test and trace system for 700k. Wages for 25 people will exceed that figure, ignoring any office costs, NI, etc etc etc. Even of it was mostly in app, there still needs to be support.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
Hear hear, but then Cyclefree’s headers are always outstanding.
Sadly though, none of what she outlines is in any way surprising. Parliaments have been becoming more and more supine over the last seventy years, and the empty suits left behind are the logical culmination of the lobby fodder tendency.
And that point rather undermines the force of @Cyclefree's clarion cry for freedom, liberty and the rule of law. If Parliament is given a vote what are they likely to do with it? This is not the dog days of the May fiasco where the government had no kind of a grip over Parliament and could not get its way. Boris has a majority of 80. He has enough lick spittle, greasy poll climbers to win. Some want to make a noise but it will be a tale of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Which actually makes it all the more remarkable that Boris and Hancock have not had the votes really. Labour would probably abstain under SKS's dynamic leadership and any minor revolt would be readily put down.
Part of the problem is the idea that the government must always win. Failure is actually good for organisations.
What banking needs, for example, is more bank failures. If you screw up, your bank goes bust. The Bank of England calls everyone in, and the rescue is divided up. Instead we have mega banks that cannot possibly fail.
We were discussing audit the other day - if something dodgy in the accounts is presented in public, it;'s a disaster. So minor problems are carpeted over until the day the shit hits the fan - and everyones get covered.
In parliament, a single defeat is The End of The Government. So, not surprisingly, great efforts are made to ensure that the lobby fodder behaves. All the time. So, you end up with the optimum state for a government - a large number of employees.
I understand the theory but the chaos of the do nothing remainer Parliament is a dark shadow of despair and indecision. Having a government that can actually govern still has a novelty factor to it.
I agree the voters wanted a government that could govern and get Brexit done. They in their wisdom thought that that was the main priority over any other policy. Any government with an 80 to 100 majority in essence is an elected dictatorship in this country.
Agreed but a constructive and engaged opposition can still make a difference and sharpen the thinking of those in office. Not much chance of that under Corbyn of course but I honestly expected SKS to be better.
Hard to make a difference when the government has just obtained a 80 seat majority and a world wide pandemic is ongoing .Then the new PM gets very ill with the virus, in its honeymoon period. However I would argue SKS has done a good job in opposition taking initial steps to get voters to take another look at them under new leadership.From where they were in the polls to now is encouraging.
That 80 seat majority is extremely brittle. Boris is loathed by a large part of the parliamentary party, he's made loads of unnecessary enemies over keeping the c*** in place and now his high handed way of ruling over the party has riled up northern MPs. Even Tory party support is a mile wide and an inch deep at the moment. A better opposition party would be trouncing Boris, all of the supplementals are dire, the heading in the right/wrong direction is horrific for the party.
I genuinely don’t think anyone else in Labour would be doing any better
Than Boris? I agree.
Keir would obviously do a better job than Johnson. Johnson has been the worst PM of the last 100 years.
Can we forget about Thatcher so soon?
She may not have been likeable to many, but she most definitely a leader. Bozo the Clown may likeable to many, but anyone can see he has zero leadership qualities.
He's infinitely a better leader than May was. Hence why he was able to lead the Party in a General Election and able to lead the UK out of the EU.
But you're so besotten by the EU that you can't accept any variance.
Your rose tinted spectacles really suit you!
Johnson has fought 4 elections and won them all, including not just the landslide General Election but he led the Leave campaign too. The idea he lacks leadership qualities is absurd. He's one of the most successful politicians of his generation.
Beating Ken Livingstone for the London Mayoralty and Corbyn in the last general election is no big deal. Now he's up against Starmer he looks crap - hence his ratings collapse.
You say that though of course you can only defeat the candidates you're aganst . . . plus didn't you vote for Corbyn's party in both General Elections?
But I note you pointedly ignored the Referendum either. The perceived wisdom was that Remain was inevitably going to win and that he'd jumped to Leave to lose with style rather than win it. Then he led it to victory. So that's got to be worth some respect surely?
Hear hear, but then Cyclefree’s headers are always outstanding.
Sadly though, none of what she outlines is in any way surprising. Parliaments have been becoming more and more supine over the last seventy years, and the empty suits left behind are the logical culmination of the lobby fodder tendency.
And that point rather undermines the force of @Cyclefree's clarion cry for freedom, liberty and the rule of law. If Parliament is given a vote what are they likely to do with it? This is not the dog days of the May fiasco where the government had no kind of a grip over Parliament and could not get its way. Boris has a majority of 80. He has enough lick spittle, greasy poll climbers to win. Some want to make a noise but it will be a tale of sound and fury signifying nothing.
Which actually makes it all the more remarkable that Boris and Hancock have not had the votes really. Labour would probably abstain under SKS's dynamic leadership and any minor revolt would be readily put down.
Part of the problem is the idea that the government must always win. Failure is actually good for organisations.
What banking needs, for example, is more bank failures. If you screw up, your bank goes bust. The Bank of England calls everyone in, and the rescue is divided up. Instead we have mega banks that cannot possibly fail.
We were discussing audit the other day - if something dodgy in the accounts is presented in public, it;'s a disaster. So minor problems are carpeted over until the day the shit hits the fan - and everyones get covered.
In parliament, a single defeat is The End of The Government. So, not surprisingly, great efforts are made to ensure that the lobby fodder behaves. All the time. So, you end up with the optimum state for a government - a large number of employees.
I understand the theory but the chaos of the do nothing remainer Parliament is a dark shadow of despair and indecision. Having a government that can actually govern still has a novelty factor to it.
I agree the voters wanted a government that could govern and get Brexit done. They in their wisdom thought that that was the main priority over any other policy. Any government with an 80 to 100 majority in essence is an elected dictatorship in this country.
Agreed but a constructive and engaged opposition can still make a difference and sharpen the thinking of those in office. Not much chance of that under Corbyn of course but I honestly expected SKS to be better.
Hard to make a difference when the government has just obtained a 80 seat majority and a world wide pandemic is ongoing .Then the new PM gets very ill with the virus, in its honeymoon period. However I would argue SKS has done a good job in opposition taking initial steps to get voters to take another look at them under new leadership.From where they were in the polls to now is encouraging.
That 80 seat majority is extremely brittle. Boris is loathed by a large part of the parliamentary party, he's made loads of unnecessary enemies over keeping the c*** in place and now his high handed way of ruling over the party has riled up northern MPs. Even Tory party support is a mile wide and an inch deep at the moment. A better opposition party would be trouncing Boris, all of the supplementals are dire, the heading in the right/wrong direction is horrific for the party.
I genuinely don’t think anyone else in Labour would be doing any better
Than Boris? I agree.
Keir would obviously do a better job than Johnson. Johnson has been the worst PM of the last 100 years.
Can we forget about Thatcher so soon?
She may not have been likeable to many, but she most definitely a leader. Bozo the Clown may likeable to many, but anyone can see he has zero leadership qualities.
He's infinitely a better leader than May was. Hence why he was able to lead the Party in a General Election and able to lead the UK out of the EU.
But you're so besotten by the EU that you can't accept any variance.
Your rose tinted spectacles really suit you!
Johnson has fought 4 elections and won them all, including not just the landslide General Election but he led the Leave campaign too. The idea he lacks leadership qualities is absurd. He's one of the most successful politicians of his generation.
Beating Ken Livingstone for the London Mayoralty and Corbyn in the last general election is no big deal. Now he's up against Starmer he looks crap - hence his ratings collapse.
You say that though of course you can only defeat the candidates you're aganst . . . plus didn't you vote for Corbyn's party in both General Elections?
But I note you pointedly ignored the Referendum either. The perceived wisdom was that Remain was inevitably going to win and that he'd jumped to Leave to lose with style rather than win it. Then he led it to victory. So that's got to be worth some respect surely?
One thing we can take from all these leaked measures, is it is going to be a very long winter and the government doesn't think a vaccine is coming until at least next summer.
Residents in the four Welsh constituences by the border have been confined to their authority area for two weeks already, so only the same restrictions as we have here in most of North Wales
One thing we can take from all these leaked measures, is it is going to be a very long winter and the government doesn't think a vaccine is coming until at least next summer.
Yeah, I think this is probably right. I can't see a vaccine before March at the very earliest.
The idiots thinking you can have a full test and trace system for 700k. Wages for 25 people will exceed that figure, ignoring any office costs, NI, etc etc etc. Even of it was mostly in app, there still needs to be support.
One thing the pandemic has shown is that being as thick as two short planks is a lot more common than I previously would have guessed it is.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
I am not the site police but clearly if you cannot do the honourable thing and apologise when I have stated I voted remain then it is upto you if you want to take your toys away and be childish
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
I am not the site police but clearly if you cannot do the honourable thing and apologise when I have stated I voted remain then it is upto you if you want to take your toys away and be childish
Most on here are adults
I won't be engaging with you further, you have continued to be condescending for many weeks now and I am not going to engage until you stop doing that. All the best.
The idiots thinking you can have a full test and trace system for 700k. Wages for 25 people will exceed that figure, ignoring any office costs, NI, etc etc etc. Even of it was mostly in app, there still needs to be support.
One thing the pandemic has shown is that being as thick as two short planks is a lot more common than I previously would have guessed it is.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
People normally take each other at their word here. If he said he voted remain, he voted remain. Pretty sure you could go back and check the archives if you wanted to confirm it for yourself rather than relying on your hunches.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
People normally take each other at their word here. If he said he voted remain, he voted remain. Pretty sure you could go back and check the archives if you wanted to confirm it for yourself rather than relying on your hunches.
I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever been told to do. Regardless, the user in question has continued to be rude and condescending to me for weeks and I am not going to engage further.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
I am not the site police but clearly if you cannot do the honourable thing and apologise when I have stated I voted remain then it is upto you if you want to take your toys away and be childish
Most on here are adults
I won't be engaging with you further, you have continued to be condescending for many weeks now and I am not going to engage until you stop doing that. All the best.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
People normally take each other at their word here. If he said he voted remain, he voted remain. Pretty sure you could go back and check the archives if you wanted to confirm it for yourself rather than relying on your hunches.
I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever been told to do. Regardless, the user in question has continued to be rude and condescending to me for weeks and I am not going to engage further.
This matter is closed.
Not saying you should apologise, just that not believing someone when they are saying something that can so easily be checked is a bit strange.
I welcome with open arms anyone law abiding who wants to come to this country, work hard and support themselves.
I also believe we have an obligation to look after our most vulnerable.
But if a non-British citizen is incapable of looking after themselves, let alone if they're a criminal, then they should go home and be looked after by their own state, just as other states will deport people back to the UK for us to look after them in the same situation.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
People normally take each other at their word here. If he said he voted remain, he voted remain. Pretty sure you could go back and check the archives if you wanted to confirm it for yourself rather than relying on your hunches.
I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever been told to do. Regardless, the user in question has continued to be rude and condescending to me for weeks and I am not going to engage further.
This matter is closed.
Not saying you should apologise, just that not believing someone when they are saying something that can so easily be checked is a bit strange.
I don't much mind how I appear, I won't be bullied further by that user, they have continued to try and police my comments and tell me what to do. I won't be engaging further.
I won't be commenting anymore, thanks for your concern.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
People normally take each other at their word here. If he said he voted remain, he voted remain. Pretty sure you could go back and check the archives if you wanted to confirm it for yourself rather than relying on your hunches.
I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever been told to do. Regardless, the user in question has continued to be rude and condescending to me for weeks and I am not going to engage further.
From the headline of the MoS, you would think he was involved in an illegal lock-in and told Bernard Manning type jokes.....not had a glass of wine at 9.40pm and made an unfunny quip.
From the headline of the MoS, you would think he was involved in an illegal lock-in and told Bernard Manning type jokes.....not had a glass of wine at 9.40pm and made an unfunny quip.
Obviously it's knives out for Johnson and his Government, especially Hancock.
I wonder if this kind of nuance would be looked at if it were a Labour MP, I suspect not.
From the headline of the MoS, you would think he was involved in an illegal lock-in and told Bernard Manning type jokes.....not had a glass of wine at 9.40pm and made an unfunny quip.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
What are you saying Horse
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
Why would I apologise? I don't think you voted Remain, why would I apologise about that, it's an opinion I'm entitled to.
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
You are at it again
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion. There's nothing to apologise for.
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
People normally take each other at their word here. If he said he voted remain, he voted remain. Pretty sure you could go back and check the archives if you wanted to confirm it for yourself rather than relying on your hunches.
I am not going to apologise for holding an opinion, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever been told to do. Regardless, the user in question has continued to be rude and condescending to me for weeks and I am not going to engage further.
This matter is closed.
The matter's not closed since this is a public forum it only becomes closed when nobody wants to talk about the matter anymore.
We know each other on this site and how people voted isn't a secret if they said so at the time. Big G and HYUFD voted Remain, if you're accusing him of lying then you'd have to think everyone who was here at the tme is conspiring to lie too.
Holding an opinion is reasonable. Accusing people of lying isn't holding an opinion. Posts here are a matter of public record, given that its kind of absurd to accuse people of lying.
As a matter of respect its not nice to baselessly accuse others of lying. Especially when they didn't.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
From the headline of the MoS, you would think he was involved in an illegal lock-in and told Bernard Manning type jokes.....not had a glass of wine at 9.40pm and made an unfunny quip.
The Mail want Hancock out to follow a herd policy
However, that is not where the public are
Do they? I can't keep up with the Mails position on COVID, it seems to change every week.
AFAIK, only the Torygraph have been consistent on not being keen on lockdowns.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
Why would I do that?
Well if you're not keen on the idea, we can leave the ESA. We seem to want to leave everything else we're part of, so why not add this next? Better on our own, am I right?
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
Why would I do that?
Well if you're not keen on the idea, we can leave the ESA. We seem to want to leave everything else we're part of, so why not add this next? Better on our own, am I right?
What gives you the idea I am not keen on the idea? I'm all for big science projects like these.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
Why would I do that?
Well if you're not keen on the idea, we can leave the ESA. We seem to want to leave everything else we're part of, so why not add this next? Better on our own, am I right?
What gives you the idea I am not keen on the idea? I'm all for big science projects like these.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
Why would I do that?
Well if you're not keen on the idea, we can leave the ESA. We seem to want to leave everything else we're part of, so why not add this next? Better on our own, am I right?
What gives you the idea I am not keen on the idea? I'm all for big science projects like these.
I'm glad to hear that.
Right. In any case, as a member of ESA the UK will be contributing to the project, if it goes ahead.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
Why do you care, we've left
I care for the people of europe paying for someone's fantasy
If Europe want to do that, that's their problem, your concern is very odd
Not at all.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
I don't think you did to be honest but either way.
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
Why exactly is the scientific exploration of the moon a problem? Because it's not for free?
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
Well, for starters, this is ESA which has nothing to do with the EU. So British taxpayers will be on the hook.
Let's have a referendum on it, you can vote to Leave?
Why would I do that?
Well if you're not keen on the idea, we can leave the ESA. We seem to want to leave everything else we're part of, so why not add this next? Better on our own, am I right?
What gives you the idea I am not keen on the idea? I'm all for big science projects like these.
I'm glad to hear that.
Right. In any case, as a member of ESA the UK will be contributing to the project, if it goes ahead.
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You may be right, and the Johnson magic may play contrary to the form book.
https://twitter.com/TownsendMark/status/1314990686538735616?s=20
Not many places left to hide now.
Not sure how you can beat that, really.
Well, unless you are an American cop - they can beat *anything*. Except porcupines.
Good night.
I am sure everyone will be delighted the EU want to go to the moon
What is driving the shift westwards? Students? The Bakerloo line?
More fodder for the P2 testing is shit brigade.
And we know, nobodies app based on that API actually works very well.
It is no different than my care for the peoples of America under Trump
I am not an isolationist, indeed I voted remain
We've left, it's the EU's problem now, not ours.
I voted remain end of discussion
An apology would be appreciated
You're not the site police, I suggest you simmer down.
I really hate the direction we're going in tbh
I voted remain as did HYFUD and you are accusing me of lying
You need to understand when you are wrong you simply say sorry
Again, you're not the site police, you can't demand anyone do anything. I'm not going to engage with you if you continue to talk to me in such a condescending way, so make a choice and either stop pretending to be a moderator and acting in this way please, or I'll ignore you from here on.
My biggest issue is that the UK is a small island, targetting one town when you can drive 15 mins to the next makes no sense in terms of containment.
We aren't like rural America were you can lock down Boise, Idaho, but the next big town is 5hrs drive away.
But I note you pointedly ignored the Referendum either. The perceived wisdom was that Remain was inevitably going to win and that he'd jumped to Leave to lose with style rather than win it. Then he led it to victory. So that's got to be worth some respect surely?
We need to rethink this. The government's strategy isn't working and is not sustainable.
We could have been a New Zealand.
Shocking! I mean, that's shocking!
With the shelved racism investigation into the Tory Party, who would have thought the PM doesn't give a toss?
Most on here are adults
All of those are ground central for Covid-19.
This matter is closed.
And say sorry
I mean I've got a joke about Covid-19 but it is really tasteless.
I welcome with open arms anyone law abiding who wants to come to this country, work hard and support themselves.
I also believe we have an obligation to look after our most vulnerable.
But if a non-British citizen is incapable of looking after themselves, let alone if they're a criminal, then they should go home and be looked after by their own state, just as other states will deport people back to the UK for us to look after them in the same situation.
I won't be commenting anymore, thanks for your concern.
I wonder if this kind of nuance would be looked at if it were a Labour MP, I suspect not.
Calling IDS and Graham Brady!!! Time to get House of Commons debating all this. As per @Cyclefree
However, that is not where the public are
We know each other on this site and how people voted isn't a secret if they said so at the time. Big G and HYUFD voted Remain, if you're accusing him of lying then you'd have to think everyone who was here at the tme is conspiring to lie too.
Holding an opinion is reasonable. Accusing people of lying isn't holding an opinion. Posts here are a matter of public record, given that its kind of absurd to accuse people of lying.
As a matter of respect its not nice to baselessly accuse others of lying. Especially when they didn't.
Is it a problem for NASA, too? They are, after all, providing the Orion vehicle to shuttle personnel from the lunar orbiter to the moon surface. Is it a problem for the Canadian and Japanese space agencies which are taking part in the fun?
What will Buccaneering Blighty do? Will it want to participate and waste mountains of money for a useless vanity project, without total control of the rules and stuff? Or will it heckle from the sidelines.
AFAIK, only the Torygraph have been consistent on not being keen on lockdowns.
I can't believe parliament has allowed this is carry on like this without more debate.