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    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The rise looks very bad now with all data included. 11.4k on the 30th, that's showing a big rise, but at least we'll get a real picture of what's happening in the country now rather than a partial one. We're currently running at around 12k cases per day, but it's not showing up too badly in the hospitalisation data.

    Lots of young people eg students, low viral load, possibly less virulent strain. Boris needs to keep his nerve and keep the economy open.
    Yes, completely agree. Students getting the virus probably isn't the worst thing in the world.
    Need to keep all staff over say the age of 50 away from them though.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html

    It's pathetic.
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    Cyclefree said:

    Right, PB’ers - your eminent advice is needed.

    I am applying to be a non-executive director on the Board of the Independent Office for Police Conduct. The form asks for social media information and I am of course going to point them to what I write on my work blog and elsewhere.

    But do I specifically highlight the two articles I’ve written on police culture and on the IOPC (see https://barry-walsh.co.uk/on-leadership-and-good-investigations/ and https://barry-walsh.co.uk/a-toxic-culture/) which are in pretty crisp terms?

    Or do I simply tell them about the website and let them read what is written on there?

    I doubt I’ll even get to the interview stage but I note from the information pack that winning candidates may even get to meet the Home Secretary. Which would be fun. For me.

    Thanks in advance.

    Trust your own judgment. It is good which is why you would make an excellent appointment. Good luck.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    FF43 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So that projection by the boffins might not be so bad after all.
    The numbers are inevitably exponential but slower than shown by Whitty. He had numbers doubling every 7 days when it has been nearer to every 10 days.
    I think it's a case of the K shaped outbreak. In university towns it will be a 2-3 day doubling time as students catch it very quickly and in other parts of the country it will be fairly stable.
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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The rise looks very bad now with all data included. 11.4k on the 30th, that's showing a big rise, but at least we'll get a real picture of what's happening in the country now rather than a partial one. We're currently running at around 12k cases per day, but it's not showing up too badly in the hospitalisation data.

    Lots of young people eg students, low viral load, possibly less virulent strain. Boris needs to keep his nerve and keep the economy open.
    Yes, completely agree. Students getting the virus probably isn't the worst thing in the world.
    Need to keep all staff over say the age of 50 away from them though.
    I was down in Fallowfield the other day, C-19 soup in Manchester.

    Fair few older people working in the shops, bars and take away's around there that are at great danger right now.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    edited October 2020
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    alex_ said:

    RobD said:

    alex_ said:

    Sandpit said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    See Patel's slightly unhinged conference speech announcing nothing but that she doesn't like lefties today.

    https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1312775610637447168
    Isn't the argument that they've already entered one country illegally, and should be claiming asylum there. The convention doesn't let you go from country to country until you've got to somewhere you like.
    The point is that they're not fleeing war, persecution or famine, they're mostly coming from France - a safe first world country that's a signatory to many international human rights conventions.
    The point is that regardless of whether they are failing to claim asylum at the first opportunity, if they end up in the UK then how they got in is not a legal invalidation of their claim.
    They are no longer covered by the convention.

    . The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
    illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
    where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
    are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
    themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
    illegal entry or presence.


    Unless their life was threatened in France, of course.
    Isn't that a different issue?

    1) can they be prosecuted (or have measures imposed upon them) for illegal entry to the Country - yes
    2) do they have a right to claim asylum and have that asylum claim assessed on its merits - also yes
    The claim of asylum from France has no merits, as there's no war, famine or torture going on there.

    If we were to allow asylum seekers from France, we should also be pushing for UN sanctions against France.
    It is quite clear, from statements in the Guardian etc, that conditions in France are utterly intolerable in France for refugees.

    Which means we have a failed state across the Channel.

    There is only one option left - invade France.
    Sssh! @HYUFD might hear you!
    Can our forces really fight on so many fronts at once?
    This is no time for such defeatist talk - off to the gulag with you!
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    UK cases by specimen date

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100k population

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The rise looks very bad now with all data included. 11.4k on the 30th, that's showing a big rise, but at least we'll get a real picture of what's happening in the country now rather than a partial one. We're currently running at around 12k cases per day, but it's not showing up too badly in the hospitalisation data.

    Lots of young people eg students, low viral load, possibly less virulent strain. Boris needs to keep his nerve and keep the economy open.
    Yes, completely agree. Students getting the virus probably isn't the worst thing in the world.
    Need to keep all staff over say the age of 50 away from them though.
    Yes, good thing the government has been pursuing the risk segmentation strategy for a few months and already knows how to do this. Oh right.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,291
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Sad to see Nottingham in the top twenty on @Malmesbury latest chart. Quite a rise.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    UK Cases summary

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    So Hancock, do you lockdown a city if a load of students have it?
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    We don't vaccinate everyone for flu, and that isn't 100% effective. Sometimes it is even useless!
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    UK Hospitals

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    UK Deaths

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Sad to see Nottingham in the top twenty on @Malmesbury latest chart. Quite a rise.

    Students. 🤷‍♂️
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    UK Hospitals

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    Hi Malmesbury - are you able to do the specimen date chart as a line graph? (by region)
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    Cyclefree said:

    Right, PB’ers - your eminent advice is needed.

    I am applying to be a non-executive director on the Board of the Independent Office for Police Conduct. The form asks for social media information and I am of course going to point them to what I write on my work blog and elsewhere.

    But do I specifically highlight the two articles I’ve written on police culture and on the IOPC (see https://barry-walsh.co.uk/on-leadership-and-good-investigations/ and https://barry-walsh.co.uk/a-toxic-culture/) which are in pretty crisp terms?

    Or do I simply tell them about the website and let them read what is written on there?

    I doubt I’ll even get to the interview stage but I note from the information pack that winning candidates may even get to meet the Home Secretary. Which would be fun. For me.

    Thanks in advance.

    I'd highlight the two articles. They are good and if the assessors are put off by them then you are probably better off not involved.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,726
    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,981
    So if there are professional city dwellers who won't admit to being Trumpsters.
    Does it not follow there will also be rural blue collar people who won't admit to supporting Biden?
    I should imagine the peer pressure in small town White Georgia for example would be equally as strong.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    Various people have asked to get access to the data I generate.

    If you PM me with an email address, I can add it to the access rights for the Google Drive folder I keep the spreadsheet data in.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689

    Sad to see Nottingham in the top twenty on @Malmesbury latest chart. Quite a rise.

    It makes a change to see Nottingham above Leicester in a league table.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    Cyclefree said:

    Right, PB’ers - your eminent advice is needed.

    I am applying to be a non-executive director on the Board of the Independent Office for Police Conduct. The form asks for social media information and I am of course going to point them to what I write on my work blog and elsewhere.

    But do I specifically highlight the two articles I’ve written on police culture and on the IOPC (see https://barry-walsh.co.uk/on-leadership-and-good-investigations/ and https://barry-walsh.co.uk/a-toxic-culture/) which are in pretty crisp terms?

    Or do I simply tell them about the website and let them read what is written on there?

    I doubt I’ll even get to the interview stage but I note from the information pack that winning candidates may even get to meet the Home Secretary. Which would be fun. For me.

    Thanks in advance.

    Be upfront. It is far better not to be accepted by them in the first place than it is to be accepted and then "fired" later if they find things they do not like that you could have disclosed earlier on.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Public service message for travellers in Scotland.
    https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/1312856769685848064

    Might cause rattling cages in Bute House.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436

    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html

    Well, it does give them the ability to write a "Cases collapse to X thousand a day" story in a couple of days.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    FF43 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
    Yes, the idea that the government won't try and vaccinate as many people as possible won't stand up to scrutiny.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,632

    New lockdown in parts of New York.

    Same old lockdown in this part of old Yorkshire.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    dixiedean said:

    So if there are professional city dwellers who won't admit to being Trumpsters.
    Does it not follow there will also be rural blue collar people who won't admit to supporting Biden?
    I should imagine the peer pressure in small town White Georgia for example would be equally as strong.

    I think we know that while urban professionals may be shy Trumpers, Biden is simply nowhere near as toxic to Suburban and rural blue collar America. It is that demographic that will get him over the line.

    I stick with my Trump less than 200 EV prediction.

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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,291
    alex_ said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    We don't vaccinate everyone for flu, and that isn't 100% effective. Sometimes it is even useless!
    Well, flu isn't a novel virus. Significant numbers have some immunity from years of exposure to it, so your herd immunity threshold for flu is lower. That means you can get away with a 40% effective vaccine distributed to 25% of the population. Even then you get years where lots of people die from it. Covid has no such built-in defence. There's evidence of some cross immunity with other coronaviruses, but mostly in poorer nations where people are more exposed to them. Flu also tends not to cause problems outside of respiratory issues, meaning that if you survive it you're probably not going to have too many knock-on effects down the line. The evidence with Sars-CoV-2 is that a significant minority have issues, even when completely healthy. I have to repeat this every time, but this is a nasty virus which is not comparable to the flu and that goes for both the virus itself and the vaccination campaign. If you don't vaccinate your primary vectors then you will get a lot of burden on the health system further down the line and potentially see more people die than necessary.

    Besides which, if you vaccinate the whole population this year you can stop the epidemic dead, since you push your herd immunity up to the 50-60% that you need. You can then consider whether it's worth boosting the vaccine to everyone or just the flu-shot crew for years afterward depending on the epidemiologial data. It makes no sense to me to treat this like a flu vaccine.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689

    New lockdown in parts of New York.

    Same old lockdown in this part of old Yorkshire.
    You were lucky. In Leicester we have had it for 6 months now without a break. Not that anyone is taking it seriously anymore.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312856634331475968

    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I keep saying that perception matters more than facts.

    If the public think that they will not be getting the vaccine to protect them from this killer virus, then that is what will cause trouble.

    The govt has spent month reminding us all how dangerous covid is and they have succeeded in scaring a large portion of the populace. These people are now expecting a vaccine.
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    Nearly a five-fold increase in the in-hospital figures* over the course of the Malmesbury's chart. Very worrying.

    * Ignoring the artificially inflated Scottish figures at the start. of it.
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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,202
    Nigelb said:
    History will note this conflict between two small countries as the first truly 21st century way of waging a hot war. The Azeris are deploying UAVs to an unprecedented level.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Virus spreading south of the river - Richmond numbers very high. Must be all the Americans at the American university...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    alex_ said:

    Virus spreading south of the river - Richmond numbers very high. Must be all the Americans at the American university...

    Kingston university isn't very far away either.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689

    Nearly a five-fold increase in the in-hospital figures* over the course of the Malmesbury's chart. Very worrying.

    * Ignoring the artificially inflated Scottish figures at the start. of it.

    Still only 1/8 of what it was at Easter.

    My Trust Covid meetings now back to Mon, Wed, Fri, having gone down to once weekly over the summer.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,632

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    The rise looks very bad now with all data included. 11.4k on the 30th, that's showing a big rise, but at least we'll get a real picture of what's happening in the country now rather than a partial one. We're currently running at around 12k cases per day, but it's not showing up too badly in the hospitalisation data.

    Lots of young people eg students, low viral load, possibly less virulent strain. Boris needs to keep his nerve and keep the economy open.
    Yes, completely agree. Students getting the virus probably isn't the worst thing in the world.
    Need to keep all staff over say the age of 50 away from them though.
    That statement is true at the start of every academic year.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1312863346304208896

    It seems like the Tories are done governing for a decade or two...
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    MaxPB said:

    alex_ said:

    Virus spreading south of the river - Richmond numbers very high. Must be all the Americans at the American university...

    Kingston university isn't very far away either.
    They all live in Kingston. Brunel though, perhaps. But easier to blame the Americans.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,197
    Scott_xP said:
    Good to see Donald out to meet the fans!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312856634331475968

    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I keep saying that perception matters more than facts.

    If the public think that they will not be getting the vaccine to protect them from this killer virus, then that is what will cause trouble.

    The govt has spent month reminding us all how dangerous covid is and they have succeeded in scaring a large portion of the populace. These people are now expecting a vaccine.
    Spot on!
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Scott_xP said:
    All his supporters wearing masks, presumably
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081
    edited October 2020
    MaxPB said:

    Sad to see Nottingham in the top twenty on @Malmesbury latest chart. Quite a rise.

    Students. 🤷‍♂️
    Nottingham Uni is on a campus a reasonable distance from the city centre isn’t it? Unsure if that would make a difference. Also unsure about Trent.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081
    Thanks for all the advice and tips regarding Edinburgh everyone. 👍
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    He looks a lot better in that one than he did yesterday. His voice is also less shaky.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312856634331475968

    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I keep saying that perception matters more than facts.

    If the public think that they will not be getting the vaccine to protect them from this killer virus, then that is what will cause trouble.

    The govt has spent month reminding us all how dangerous covid is and they have succeeded in scaring a large portion of the populace. These people are now expecting a vaccine.
    Spot on!
    Of course it isn't.

    Most vulnerable people I know are very nervous about taking a vaccine developed in some haste.

    I suspect the problem will be the complete reverse -- namely, actually persuading enough people (especially in the vulnerable category) to take the vaccine.
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    Cyclefree said:

    Right, PB’ers - your eminent advice is needed.

    I am applying to be a non-executive director on the Board of the Independent Office for Police Conduct. The form asks for social media information and I am of course going to point them to what I write on my work blog and elsewhere.

    But do I specifically highlight the two articles I’ve written on police culture and on the IOPC (see https://barry-walsh.co.uk/on-leadership-and-good-investigations/ and https://barry-walsh.co.uk/a-toxic-culture/) which are in pretty crisp terms?

    Or do I simply tell them about the website and let them read what is written on there?

    I doubt I’ll even get to the interview stage but I note from the information pack that winning candidates may even get to meet the Home Secretary. Which would be fun. For me.

    Thanks in advance.

    Excellent advice already posted. Which does NOT stop me from throwing in my 2-cents!

    > Publication is public, that's the point; you have ideas AND are willing & able to put your name & reputation with them.

    > Publication (when not simply self-publication) is prestigious, in that it's proof that others besides yourself value or at least are listening to your arguments and contributions.

    > Publication gives readers, including headhunters, interviewers, etc. opportunity to judge for themselves - and to convey to others - what they think, not just re: your views and values but also (and perhaps more to the point?) you ability to communicate, persuade, assess and strategize on behalf of your ideas AND your potential paymasters.
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    MaxPB said:

    Sad to see Nottingham in the top twenty on @Malmesbury latest chart. Quite a rise.

    Students. 🤷‍♂️
    Nottingham Uni is on a campus a reasonable distance from the city centre isn’t it? Unsure if that would make a difference. Also unsure about Trent.
    Only first years tend to live on campus though.

    Trent Poly is closer to the city centre.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,292

    Nearly a five-fold increase in the in-hospital figures* over the course of the Malmesbury's chart. Very worrying.

    * Ignoring the artificially inflated Scottish figures at the start. of it.

    The UK is at about 1/8th of the first hospitalization peak and 1/20th of the death peak from the spring, though the latter lags the former and they both lag cases.

    I don't have much sense of how much capacity there is in UK hospitals to deal with Covid cases and still maintain normal hospital activity.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    MaxPB said:

    Sad to see Nottingham in the top twenty on @Malmesbury latest chart. Quite a rise.

    Students. 🤷‍♂️
    Nottingham Uni is on a campus a reasonable distance from the city centre isn’t it? Unsure if that would make a difference. Also unsure about Trent.
    Trent is partly right in the city centre, although there is another campus on the outskirts.

    Nottingham is on the outskirts, but vast numbers of 2nd year students live in Lenton which is walking distance (easily) to city centre.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,291
    Worth a read here. This isn't great but as pointed out the levelling off was suggested by REACT, ONS and Symptom Survey. It's possible that the testing system finally has gotten its arse into gear and is back to picking up more infections. Still the fact that those 16k weren't included in test and trace is a real problem. It looks like the test results got to the people who took the test but the contact tracers didn't get the information. I think it's long past time to kick Serco into the sea and hand this over to the local authorities.

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1312864040583077892
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    All his supporters wearing masks, presumably
    Hope the driver has full PPE!
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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,202
    Foxy said:

    Nearly a five-fold increase in the in-hospital figures* over the course of the Malmesbury's chart. Very worrying.

    * Ignoring the artificially inflated Scottish figures at the start. of it.

    Still only 1/8 of what it was at Easter.

    My Trust Covid meetings now back to Mon, Wed, Fri, having gone down to once weekly over the summer.
    No doubt the pace within Trusts have changed. I know over here in NI, Nightingale facilities that didn't even get beyond planning are back on the agenda.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Perhaps if he now knows all about Covid on the basis of a couple of days in a hospital, he should have visited one six months ago.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited October 2020
    welshowl said:

    Ok. Own up. whose been mucking about with the Infinite Improbability Drive?

    It’s ok now. PM Osborne fresh from his narrow win over an Andy Burnham led Labour Party, says he’ll turn it back to normal on his way to the European summit next week, he’s just got to have a quick word with President Clinton first who’s on the campaign trail against Marco Rubio. She’s just made good on a promise to quadruple the funding of the Bill Gates’ pandemic prevention fund recently. Just in case.
    Burnham might well have beaten Osborne in an election last year had he been elected Labour leader in 2015 and Remain won in 2016, certainly no way the Red Wall would have voted for Osborne over Burnham as they voted for Boris over Corbyn and the UKIP vote might even have been approaching 20% with the Tories leaking Leavers to Farage.

    Though I agree Hillary would have pursued a more Merkel like approach to Covid had she won in 2016
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    The head of Trumpsky's crack (in more ways than one?) Presidential Medical Team

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85PcMJ9D8X0
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    Nearly a five-fold increase in the in-hospital figures* over the course of the Malmesbury's chart. Very worrying.

    * Ignoring the artificially inflated Scottish figures at the start. of it.

    The UK is at about 1/8th of the first hospitalization peak and 1/20th of the death peak from the spring, though the latter lags the former and they both lag cases.

    I don't have much sense of how much capacity there is in UK hospitals to deal with Covid cases and still maintain normal hospital activity.
    Indeed but admissions haven't dropped off yet so in-hospital figures are going to continue to rise. I don't see a sign from Malmesbury's data we've hit the second peak yet.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:
    Much more significantly from that ft article

    David Nabarro, special envoy to the World Health Organization on Covid-19, also told the FT that addressing the coronavirus crisis was “not going to be a case of everyone getting vaccinated”.

    “There will be a definite analysis of who is the priority for the vaccine, based on where they live, their occupation and their age bracket,” he said. “We’re not fundamentally using the vaccine to create population immunity, we’re just changing the likelihood people will get harmed or hurt. It will be strategic.”

    Vaccine != herd immunity is completely new. The closer a vaccine gets the further away it gets and the less of a holy grail it turns out to be - just one more tool in the box along with masks and lockdowns.
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    YokesYokes Posts: 1,202
    alex_ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    All his supporters wearing masks, presumably
    I'd give a suitcase of cash for a bit of clarity about what is going on.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081
    edited October 2020
    Trump is the only US President in my lifetime that I can recall that only really speaks to his own supporters rather than the nation as a whole.
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    Cyclefree said:

    Right, PB’ers - your eminent advice is needed.

    I am applying to be a non-executive director on the Board of the Independent Office for Police Conduct. The form asks for social media information and I am of course going to point them to what I write on my work blog and elsewhere.

    But do I specifically highlight the two articles I’ve written on police culture and on the IOPC (see https://barry-walsh.co.uk/on-leadership-and-good-investigations/ and https://barry-walsh.co.uk/a-toxic-culture/) which are in pretty crisp terms?

    Or do I simply tell them about the website and let them read what is written on there?

    I doubt I’ll even get to the interview stage but I note from the information pack that winning candidates may even get to meet the Home Secretary. Which would be fun. For me.

    Thanks in advance.

    Yes, tell them, and point to those articles. Full disclosure is good.

    What's more - what is there to hide? If you stand by what you wrote, why hide it? If they don't like it, do you want the position?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312856634331475968

    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I keep saying that perception matters more than facts.

    If the public think that they will not be getting the vaccine to protect them from this killer virus, then that is what will cause trouble.

    The govt has spent month reminding us all how dangerous covid is and they have succeeded in scaring a large portion of the populace. These people are now expecting a vaccine.
    Spot on!
    Of course it isn't.

    Most vulnerable people I know are very nervous about taking a vaccine developed in some haste.

    I suspect the problem will be the complete reverse -- namely, actually persuading enough people (especially in the vulnerable category) to take the vaccine.
    Of course people would be nervous about taking a vaccine that has not been fully tested but that is not what we are arguing about here.

    First I'd expect any vaccine offered by the NHS to be fully tested. Secondly, whether people choose to take the vaccine or not is a completely different question to whether it would be right for the government to only offer the vaccine to a subset of society.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    alex_ said:

    Perhaps if he now knows all about Covid on the basis of a couple of days in a hospital, he should have visited one six months ago.
    Hmmm. I am further confirmed in my belief that this is all a scam to try and throw the election card table.
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    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html

    I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about this. With the exception of the reporting cock-up over the last few days, the final curves for the cases by testing date and reporting date are damn near identical. The figure announced by reporting date usually turns out to be pretty close to the eventual actual figure for that date, so it really doesn't matter if the press use that figure.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689

    Nearly a five-fold increase in the in-hospital figures* over the course of the Malmesbury's chart. Very worrying.

    * Ignoring the artificially inflated Scottish figures at the start. of it.

    The UK is at about 1/8th of the first hospitalization peak and 1/20th of the death peak from the spring, though the latter lags the former and they both lag cases.

    I don't have much sense of how much capacity there is in UK hospitals to deal with Covid cases and still maintain normal hospital activity.
    We can switch capacity, by using surgical wards for Covid, and operating theatres and personnel as ICU.

    We cannot do planned operations (apart from daycase) at the same time though.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    MaxPB said:

    FF43 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
    Yes, the idea that the government won't try and vaccinate as many people as possible won't stand up to scrutiny.
    There is a serious issue with vaccinating children, though.
    There’s no safety data at all - while we know that the risk to them from the virus itself is very low.
    The excellent case for accelerated approval for adults is one thing; kids another.
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    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html

    I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about this. With the exception of the reporting cock-up over the last few days, the final curves for the cases by testing date and reporting date are damn near identical. The figure announced by reporting date usually turns out to be pretty close to the eventual actual figure for that date, so it really doesn't matter if the press use that figure.
    Cases have not near quadrupled in 2 days as reported above.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Pollsters: The results are dire.

    Trump: What if I say I got covid? Would that help?

    Pollsters: No idea.

    Trump: I think it's great. I say I have it. We spend a day, maybe two, in hospital and then I come out and say I'm fine. Great doctors. I beat the disease. Hey, I've beaten the Chinese disease. Think about it. Turns the whole election upside down. What's not to like?



    Maybe I have had too much absinthe tonight?



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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    FF43 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
    Yes, the idea that the government won't try and vaccinate as many people as possible won't stand up to scrutiny.
    There is a serious issue with vaccinating children, though.
    There’s no safety data at all - while we know that the risk to them from the virus itself is very low.
    The excellent case for accelerated approval for adults is one thing; kids another.
    Yeah, as also know that COVID seems to have a different reaction in kids than in adults so I would expect a separate study to be done for them to ensure safety. Though the risk of serious cases or death is extremely low in kids so there probably isn't a lot of urgency to vaccinate them anyway.
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    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html

    I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about this. With the exception of the reporting cock-up over the last few days, the final curves for the cases by testing date and reporting date are damn near identical. The figure announced by reporting date usually turns out to be pretty close to the eventual actual figure for that date, so it really doesn't matter if the press use that figure.
    Cases have not near quadrupled in 2 days as reported above.
    As I said: "with the exception of the reporting cock-up over the last few days".
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited October 2020

    twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1312864232711520257?s=21

    He says he is going to make a surprise visit....surely he is still contagious and should be isolating regardless if he is on the mend.
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    Breaking on Sky

    Trump meets his supporters

    Not seen the footage but really
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    OnboardG1 said:

    Worth a read here. This isn't great but as pointed out the levelling off was suggested by REACT, ONS and Symptom Survey. It's possible that the testing system finally has gotten its arse into gear and is back to picking up more infections. Still the fact that those 16k weren't included in test and trace is a real problem. It looks like the test results got to the people who took the test but the contact tracers didn't get the information. I think it's long past time to kick Serco into the sea and hand this over to the local authorities.

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1312864040583077892

    Massaging data like that is never a good idea. One reason I tend to believe in what I produce is because I don't twiddle it to make it "better"

    The data added is from tests done by Universities, using their own medical labs to process them.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Pollsters: The results are dire.

    Trump: What if I say I got covid? Would that help?

    Pollsters: No idea.

    Trump: I think it's great. I say I have it. We spend a day, maybe two, in hospital and then I come out and say I'm fine. Great doctors. I beat the disease. Hey, I've beaten the Chinese disease. Think about it. Turns the whole election upside down. What's not to like?



    Maybe I have had too much absinthe tonight?



    I think he definitely got Covid. The only plausible route for conspiracy theories is how bad it has been.
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    Breaking on Sky

    Trump meets his supporters

    Not seen the footage but really

    Super spreader event #2.....
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,291
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    FF43 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
    Yes, the idea that the government won't try and vaccinate as many people as possible won't stand up to scrutiny.
    There is a serious issue with vaccinating children, though.
    There’s no safety data at all - while we know that the risk to them from the virus itself is very low.
    The excellent case for accelerated approval for adults is one thing; kids another.
    I can absolutely understand not vaccinating children until a Covid vaccine specifically synthesised for the under 16s can be developed (like the nasal flu vaccine). They're generally not as prone to being infection vector or as ill from what we can gather.

    We absolutely should be trying our damnedest to vaccinate anyone over 16 though. And I say that as someone who will probably get the vaccine in the fourth wave.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436

    Scott_xP said:
    Good to see Donald out to meet the fans!
    He appears to be driving straight into the sky....
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    FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 3,899
    edited October 2020

    6 months....and still...still this shit every day...

    Coronavirus cases in the UK today leapt to almost 23,000 in a day sending the total number of infections past the 500,000 mark. In another hammer-blow to hopes that the number of Covid-19 infections are levelling out, the latest figures show there were 22,961 Covid-19 cases recorded today.

    The figure is a significant jump from the 12,800 cases recorded yesterday - which in itself was nearly double Friday's 6,968 recorded cases.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803573/UK-records-28-coronavirus-deaths-hospitals-preliminary-toll.html

    I really don't understand why you're getting so worked up about this. With the exception of the reporting cock-up over the last few days, the final curves for the cases by testing date and reporting date are damn near identical. The figure announced by reporting date usually turns out to be pretty close to the eventual actual figure for that date, so it really doesn't matter if the press use that figure.
    Cases have not near quadrupled in 2 days as reported above.
    As I said: "with the exception of the reporting cock-up over the last few days".
    Edit: Projecting from the graph for cases by reporting date, the actual figure for today probably is around the 20,000 mark. It is clear that cases are continuing to rise exponentially, and that is the main thing to take home.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    OnboardG1 said:

    Worth a read here. This isn't great but as pointed out the levelling off was suggested by REACT, ONS and Symptom Survey. It's possible that the testing system finally has gotten its arse into gear and is back to picking up more infections. Still the fact that those 16k weren't included in test and trace is a real problem. It looks like the test results got to the people who took the test but the contact tracers didn't get the information. I think it's long past time to kick Serco into the sea and hand this over to the local authorities.

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1312864040583077892

    Massaging data like that is never a good idea. One reason I tend to believe in what I produce is because I don't twiddle it to make it "better"

    The data added is from tests done by Universities, using their own medical labs to process them.
    I'm not panicking. But I'm worried Matt 'lockdown 'em all down' Hancock will be tonight.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    OnboardG1 said:

    Worth a read here. This isn't great but as pointed out the levelling off was suggested by REACT, ONS and Symptom Survey. It's possible that the testing system finally has gotten its arse into gear and is back to picking up more infections. Still the fact that those 16k weren't included in test and trace is a real problem. It looks like the test results got to the people who took the test but the contact tracers didn't get the information. I think it's long past time to kick Serco into the sea and hand this over to the local authorities.

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1312864040583077892

    Massaging data like that is never a good idea. One reason I tend to believe in what I produce is because I don't twiddle it to make it "better"

    The data added is from tests done by Universities, using their own medical labs to process them.
    The issue here is that this is going to make the positivity rate useless because we don't know how many tests are being processed in uni labs. If the government had brought them into the system from day one as was suggested it wouldn't be an issue.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    FF43 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
    Yes, the idea that the government won't try and vaccinate as many people as possible won't stand up to scrutiny.
    There is a serious issue with vaccinating children, though.
    There’s no safety data at all - while we know that the risk to them from the virus itself is very low.
    The excellent case for accelerated approval for adults is one thing; kids another.
    Yeah, as also know that COVID seems to have a different reaction in kids than in adults so I would expect a separate study to be done for them to ensure safety. Though the risk of serious cases or death is extremely low in kids so there probably isn't a lot of urgency to vaccinate them anyway.
    There might be if they aren't allowed to start shutting the windows in schools soon!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687

    Breaking on Sky

    Trump meets his supporters

    Not seen the footage but really

    Super spreader event #2.....
    They were shielded by his armour-plated limo surely?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1312864232711520257?s=21

    He says he is going to make a surprise visit....surely he is still contagious and should be isolating regardless if he is on the mend.
    Only if he actually has it, rather than just another made up pack of lies to continue the reality show.
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    I really don't know what to believe about the Trump COVID situation now.
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,291

    OnboardG1 said:

    Worth a read here. This isn't great but as pointed out the levelling off was suggested by REACT, ONS and Symptom Survey. It's possible that the testing system finally has gotten its arse into gear and is back to picking up more infections. Still the fact that those 16k weren't included in test and trace is a real problem. It looks like the test results got to the people who took the test but the contact tracers didn't get the information. I think it's long past time to kick Serco into the sea and hand this over to the local authorities.

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1312864040583077892

    Massaging data like that is never a good idea. One reason I tend to believe in what I produce is because I don't twiddle it to make it "better"

    The data added is from tests done by Universities, using their own medical labs to process them.
    Sorry Malmesbury, you're better at data science than me. What is different between the two datasets?

    How do we know this is all university labs by the way? Not that I think you're untrustworthy, but this sort of thing can become "received wisdom" without sources.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,003
    MrEd said:

    alex_ said:

    GIN1138 said:
    "77% of Trump supporters would not admit it to friends or family members".

    I call bulls*t!
    Well, from a personal standpoint, I can testify to that and the abuse I got on PB.com for saying I would vote for him ironically demonstrated why many are reluctant to say that they would....
    I think it depends on where, and with whom, you hangout.

    When I was in rural Arizona, there were massive numbers of Trump posters, and flags. And these were big too: proper make sure everyone knows you're a supporter.

    There are no shy Trump voters in Holbrook, AZ.

    By contrast, if you are in Santa Monica, CA, then the place is positively infected with prissy little Biden-Harris signs. There might very well be shy Trump supporters in Santa Monica.

    But here's the thing... if you head to Holbrook, and all your neigbours have big Trump signs, well you just might be a shy Biden supporter.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MaxPB said:

    FF43 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Vaccinating those at risk vs. vaccinating everyone has the same effect - far less pressure on the NHS.
    No, it doesn’t unless you assume a 100% effective vaccine. If you’re at 75% (which is the goal of the first stage checkpoints in most of the trials) then 25% of vulnerable people will potentially get it if you’re leaving over half the population unvaccinated. It’s bad epidemiological practice.

    This isn’t going to happen. It particularly won’t fly if France, Germany and the US vaccinate their whole populations. I expect a furious back-pedal which goes “we mean we won’t vaccinate everyone straight away”.
    I suspect something between the two. You vaccinate in phases starting with the most vulnerable, who presumably have fewer qualms, then you vaccinate as many of the rest as are willing to do it - the more the better.
    Yes, the idea that the government won't try and vaccinate as many people as possible won't stand up to scrutiny.
    Kate Bingham clearly thinks differently, and she kind of is the government for these purposes.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687

    Pollsters: The results are dire.

    Trump: What if I say I got covid? Would that help?

    Pollsters: No idea.

    Trump: I think it's great. I say I have it. We spend a day, maybe two, in hospital and then I come out and say I'm fine. Great doctors. I beat the disease. Hey, I've beaten the Chinese disease. Think about it. Turns the whole election upside down. What's not to like?



    Maybe I have had too much absinthe tonight?



    It doesn't appear to be working so far Donald.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,726
    alex_ said:

    Pollsters: The results are dire.

    Trump: What if I say I got covid? Would that help?

    Pollsters: No idea.

    Trump: I think it's great. I say I have it. We spend a day, maybe two, in hospital and then I come out and say I'm fine. Great doctors. I beat the disease. Hey, I've beaten the Chinese disease. Think about it. Turns the whole election upside down. What's not to like?



    Maybe I have had too much absinthe tonight?



    I think he definitely got Covid. The only plausible route for conspiracy theories is how bad it has been.
    Trump definitely got Covid and I am sure was the main driver behind covering up how serious it was, somewhat exposing his doctor who was only authorised to tell positive news but didn't want to actually lie either.

    On the asssumption that Trump will make a good enough recovery to continue his campaign, he will obviously leverage his infection for his campaign
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,981
    Scott_xP said:
    Good grief. I've been talking about that for a while. With others. On this very board.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    I really don't know what to believe about the Trump COVID situation now.

    Exactly.
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