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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,225
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

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    HYUFD said:

    The antics of the Democrats are starting to make me feel neutral about the outcome of the US Presidential election.

    I don't want a quietly hostile regime to the UK in the White House.

    So you would prefer Trump? A 'loudly' hostile regime to the UK in the White House.
    Trump is not hostile to the UK, in fact he is pro Boris and pro Brexit.

    That does not mean if I were American I would not vote for Biden but as Casino states from the perspective of a Leave voting Briton their main interest in the US election is who is most likely to give us a FTA which we will need with the US once as is likely we end up with no trade deal with the EU.

    Now the internal market bill looks set to pass that is clearly not Biden but Trump, so Casino is right if you are a hard Brexiteer in the UK and a pro Boris Tory logically you would prefer Trump to be re elected and the GOP to win Congress, if you are a Remainer or Labour or LD or SNP supporter or a soft Brexit, pro EEA Leaver then you would still prefer Biden and the Democrats to win
    Perhaps the Leavers should do a letter-writing campaign - contact voters in swing states and urge them to vote Trump.
    I don't expect many who voted Trump in 2016 to vote anything different this time.

    They know he's a son of a bitch but he's their son of a bitch.

    The culture wars and Wokeness are even worse over in America than here. Statues coming down all the time, including of famous presidents, and whites are being excluded from university campuses in the name of "safe spaces".

    Starmer has successfully distanced himself from most of that nonsense over here. Biden and the Democrats have not.

    If I were a WWC voter in a swing state I might feel I had little choice but to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

    Biden will win (or fail) on his ability to increase Democratic turnout and squeeze third parties.
    I think a significant enough chunk of voters will. The sheer number of lifetime GOP campaigners and politicians saying they would vote Biden this year, the Lincoln Project/Republican voters against Trump movement is not insignificant.

    That may not apply to the WWC racist tendency Trumpits of 2016 but those voters voted with the lifelong GOP voters in 2016, they weren't the entire vote.
    The Republican politicians, like Kasich, rooting for Biden are part of the problem to many Trump voters. It's like saying that the Red Wall voters are going to not vote Conservative because of the views of Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve.
    Indeed and most of them live in California or Seattle or New York or DC and the North East of the US and voted for Hillary in 2016 anyway
    Quite. They are out of touch with the "modern" GOP.

    Like with Johnson here, Trump has pivoted the electoral base of the GOP radically and permanently. If he does win a second term, then I would expect to focus on expanding that base out to try to capture the Hispanic and Black vote, which would decimate the Democrat's electoral base.
    Agree on the GOP establishment who are largely upper middle class while Trump's base is working class and lower middle class (much like the Tory establishment and the Tory vote under Boris).

    If Trump is re elected however I would expect the Democrats to win in 2024, Trump cannot run again and Pence will not have the same appeal to the Trump coalition, Trump is also still not making as big inroads with the Hispanic and Black vote as George W Bush did in 2004 and 4 years later we got Obama
    If Trump wins again who is saying he won't run again in 2024. What was the chant, twelve more years... twelve more years?
    He can't under the Constitution and to change that requires a 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate and 2/3 of state legislatures to approve which won't happen
    Who’s going to stop him? A pro-Trump Supreme Court?
    It'd be a 6-3 decision with Gorsuch and Roberts joining the liberal justices. Gorsuch certainly takes the constitution seriously.
    RBG dies and suddenly it’s 5-4 and 4 years is a long time.
    And yet the two justices that Trump has picked have both chosen the constitution over loyalty to Trump when presented with the opportunity.
    Gorsuch did, Kavanaugh is a lick spittle toady.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,196
    Scott_xP said:
    Labour three or four points from saturation level. The good news is the Tories have up to a dozen points they can drop before they reach their base line. Looking good for LDs and Greens then!
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    MangoMango Posts: 1,013
    Jonathan said:

    Boris is one of those kids who goes wrong after falling in with a bad crowd. You get the impression that he would be far happier if he ditched Cummings, Gove and the ideological ultras and started to govern like a Conservative. He made a Faustian pact that got him number 10 and he’s trapped in their cage evermore. A tragic figure.

    Nah. You can have sympathy for tragically flawed figures.

    I have no sympathy for Johnson and his ilk. The sooner he and the rest of his ruling class are expunged from the country, the better.
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    MangoMango Posts: 1,013
    Jonathan said:



    Nope. That old lefty Thatcher would have done better than Boris. A scientist in no10 would have been a big win.

    I think it's fair to say you're politically biased against blustering, lying, crooked incompetence.
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    MangoMango Posts: 1,013

    HYUFD said:

    Further evidence of the Leavers shift towards Trump and away from Biden

    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1306521021768327168?s=20


    Further evidence of the complete redundancy of the tag 'globalist' for credulous idiots. Trump is a full-on supporter of globalist financialisation, and many of the leading Brexiters are, financially and ideoligically speaking, ultra-globalists.
    Globalist is the anti-semite's goywhistling word of choice. Nice to see people on here who (rightly) railed against Corbyn leaping on that bandwagon. The Nick Timotyh brigade. Scum.
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    HYUFD said:

    Further evidence of the Leavers shift towards Trump and away from Biden

    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1306521021768327168?s=20

    Er, isn't that Nigel's lot?
    Remind me, how many votes do Leavers get in the US election?
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